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Title: The Zionized-Christian political reality: Israel first, Jesus second.
Source: We Hold These Truths
URL Source: http://www.whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=839
Published: Jun 6, 2006
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2006-06-06 23:47:38 by Red Jones
Keywords: None
Views: 374
Comments: 19

The Zionized-Christian political reality: Israel first, Jesus second.

Uncounted big plot theories abound. We have a few of our own that we cannot quite prove, even to our own satisfaction, to say nothing of convincing you. Most people wonder if there is a "who" and "they" who control, or conspire to control, the world. We think so, but we also know we need to tackle problems that are tangible and concrete. Otherwise we will not make an impact. We can't help but think God wants us to produce some positive results.

One could liken the Bigfish theorist to fisherman on a dark pond, each one holding a line, each one employing his own special talent, tackle and bait in quest of what they imagine to expose the big one. The problem is, no one can see clearly under the water; and Bigfish down there doesn't seem to want to be identified. The lure of catching him is great, so the line wetting goes on...and if you don't score there is always the conversation with other fishermen to anticipate.

It is a lot more romantic to dream about identifying Mr. Bigfish, who you can't see, than to deal with the real world that is crying out for someone to see the obvious, and have the courage to change what is evil right in front of us.

It is better to win back our best and most loved friends than to fight them with bricks and bats. We are talking about our own sons, daughters-in law, fathers, employees, pastors, priests and bosses. But to free any of them from error, we must start with a few demonstrable and self-evident facts that expose the most important errors among those we love.

FACT OF LIFE: Our Serial wars are at the root of our inflation (money dilution) problem. By this I mean the cost of everything is going up except for the disposable income of the giant middle class, which is declining. The cost of war dilutes our money and makes goods, including gas and food, expensive, and elevates taxes on property. Ending war will not of itself end government waste and intentional inflations, but inflation absolutely cannot be ended without first ending serial wars.

FACT OF LIFE: Politicians will not fix this problems because someone pays them not to. War and dilution are the politician's twin drinking buddies. He will not make them go away unless forced to do so.

FACT OF LIFE: Israel is a catalyst for war; the Serial Wars in the Mideast depend upon acts by and in behalf of the State of Israel to keep wars going, and equally Warmakers depend upon hatred against Israel to keep the embers of war alive...they want Israel to keep on killing and remain hated by its neighbors! This fact is so historically obvious that some might guess Mr. Bigfish created Israel for this express purpose...we move on and leave this for speculations of those on the banks of the pond.

FACT OF LIFE: The so-called Christian Right is the most powerful supporter of the State of Israel, therefore, these Zionized Christians, while mostly well meaning, are the primary enablers of Serial wars.

FACT OF LIFE: Celebrity-Christians own a tax-exempted media is second only in size and power to the Jewish controlled public media. When you combine the votes and media control of Jews and the Christian-Zionist you reach a critical mass for information control. The Internet is the new superstar on the media block, but it too is rapidly being controlled by the Bigfish who control the establishment media.

We wrote about Facing Unavoidable Unpopular Truths and how most people dodge them. Anyone who does not instinctively recognize these few facts of life is lucky not to be a cat, for a cat survives on instincts, and when instincts fail her, she soon becomes a former cat. Only humans can survive without instincts, and not for very long!

We Hold These Truth's Mission

Our indescribably important mission is to do a necessary part to save Christianity from Christian-Zionism. Our target audience is between 30 and 70 million in the USA and more around the world. It is up to us to continue until our "Facts of Life" are understood by a significant minority in most churches and mosques. To this end we join with all those who would end Serial wars, which is the most horrible vehicle for spiritual collapse. Knowing and writing the truth is not enough; we must use every legal means to reach out to those who need to know.

Christian Political activism; in Israel for Israel

Prominent members (celebrities) of the Christian-Right are exposing their Achilles heel to the world when they adopt un-Christian positions in order to do spiritual business with the State of Israel. Zionized-Christians surrender certain basic tenants that Christ accepted, and they accept much of what Jesus resoundingly rejected, including Pharisaism.

In this series we will examine these errors in hopes of restoring Zionized-Christians to followers of Christ. The most obvious example of professing Christians making provable un-Christian statements in support of false values is found in the words of American Celebrity Christians in their ridiculous fawning over the Israel.

We Hold These Truths' Mission

We Hold These Truth's vital mission is to do a necessary part to save Christianity from Christian-Zionism. Our target audience is between 30 and 70 million in the USA and more around the world. It is up to us to continue until our "Facts of Life" are understood by a significant minority in most churches and mosques. To this end we join with all those who would end Serial wars, which is the most horrible vehicle for spiritual collapse. Knowing and writing the truth is not enough; we must use every legal means to reach out to those who need to know.

The Bigfish Conspiracy and the Christian-Right starts with the influence of the Oxford Press on what we think of as “Christianity.” The Scofield's movement, about which this author has written so much, is the flimsy intellectual moorings to which Zionized-Christianity is tethered. It is like a boat tied to a floating stump; its falseness is based on error, fed by heresy. Its celebrity leaders who we will be discussing in this series are the product of a concerted effort to warp and control Christianity by first changing the Bible. We call it "Scofieldism" because of this one man's terrible contribution. Carlson's 43 minute presentation explains is quite well.

A Glimmer of Hope

Financially successful celebrities we will be discussing are probley lost causes. Each has made a business of Christian-Zionism. In contrast we must seek out those not yet caught up in it but and who have not become parasites to it. They can be rescued because they can still see the faint light of truth.

IN PART II: The big loud guns we will discuss include Kay Arthur, John Hagee, Jerry Falwell and more who believe Israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophesy, some of whom also claim Jews enjoy a separate, very wide gate into Heaven. Most important, in the interest of winning others we document why they believe this spiritually fatal error.

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#8. To: Red Jones, Robin (#0)

It is a lot more romantic to dream about identifying Mr. Bigfish, who you can't see, than to deal with the real world that is crying out for someone to see the obvious, and have the courage to change what is evil right in front of us.

It is better to win back our best and most loved friends than to fight them with bricks and bats. We are talking about our own sons, daughters-in law, fathers, employees, pastors, priests and bosses. But to free any of them from error, we must start with a few demonstrable and self-evident facts that expose the most important errors among those we love.

IN PART II: The big loud guns we will discuss include Kay Arthur, John Hagee, Jerry Falwell and more who believe Israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophesy, some of whom also claim Jews enjoy a separate, very wide gate into Heaven. Most important, in the interest of winning others we document why they believe this spiritually fatal error.

I have been giving a lot of thought myself to that lately. The big picture seems so overwhelming, and I began to think, so what if we win the war, and the ones we love are condemned for eternity because they believed the Big Lie, denying the Lord who bought them. I've decided to spend more time trying to get them to see the error of their ways, and kill two birds with one stone. Once they see the truth, they won't have any choice but to join the battle, or at least ONE WOULD HOPE!

I am really glad to see http://whtt.org back online. I spent a few maddening hours last week, after I found the d'd internet had banned him for the THIRD TIME, trying to find out what had precipitated it. I was so angry last week, I didn't think we'd ever see him again. I saw this thread late last night, and so jumped over to his site and spent a couple of hours going over it.

I had read last week that he though that THIS is the article that precipitated his banning:

Why doesn’t God end our Serial Wars? - Charles E. Carlson Mar 18, 2006

http://www.whtt.org/index.php ?news=2&id=767

[It included THIS story: Visiting a Mosque By Tom Compton http://www.whtt.org/index.php ?news=2&id=753 ], which makes a lie out of the "evil Islam" mantra of the Neo-cons. I'm sure they don't want THIS story to get out there, so spread it far and wide.]

See also this letter which explains the trouble they have been having with censorship [it includes the names of 90 ISP providers]:

http://www.whtt.org/index.php ?news=2&id=827

There was an interesting blurb at the bottom of Carlson's letter!

"Full text of letter resulting in the multiple complaints from one person:

Dr. Gordon Ginn, Wednesday night, May 10, 2006, on the NEW TESTAMENT BOOK OF ROMANS CHAPTER 13

70 million people have been told in their churches that this one Bible Chapter justifies America’s warring in the Middle East. DOES IT? http://www.whtt.org/live/

Remember Romans 13 is what the Fascists in GW's CorpUSA are going around and telling Pastors to use to instruct their flocks to obey, when CorpUSA brings on Martial Law and transports them to the concentration camps.

Please see Romans 13, the Higher Liberty

http://www.hisholychurc h.net/sermon/Romans13.html

I agree with Chuck Carlson that we need to spend more time making Christians, particularly those we love and cherish, to see their error [Matthew 23; II Peter 2], in order to save them from the fire, and to put a stop to all this senseless and evil killing in the name of Christ. After all, it is what He told us to do: PREACH THE GOSPEL.

"Is not my WORD AS A FIRE that hammereth the rock INTO PIECES?"

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-07   12:58:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)

I'm skeptical that the people will make things right. I think it is foolish to think the people will fix things. The failure of the humans is on display now for all to see. we put our faith in man to fix things and we idolize man. Man is a failure in attempts to rule the earth, but people are lured into believing in man rather than god. that is what's happening.

I think that 'our' serial wars will be ended. I put in quotes because it is not really our wars, we don't want these wars, we did not create them, it is those who rule our nation that did these things, these wars are their wars.

the serial wars will be ended when the 10 kingdoms that empower, enable and serve babylon get sick of babylon and then plot against it and attack ferociously. that is when babylon's wars will be ended.

I recall in Matthew 24 we are instructed that these things must happen and that we should not be worried over it. When we worry too much, we try to fix things of our own power, etc., we are doing what we are told not to do.

I recall also that early in the book of Daniel (perhaps chapter 3) there is a story about 3 believers thrown into a furnace and yet they do not burn. I think that story is meant for american believers. because we will face the abomination that destroys babylon in one hours' time. the one we serve is powerful enough and able to protect us from harm during that time, and if he chooses to do so, then he will.

we americans have a very special place in god's schemes. Let us not forget. and let us not be sad over the difficulty of our path.

all through the bible there are many many many verses warning that the day will come when god will take vengeance. and so many 'christians' say that all of those verses just don't apply. the day of judgement and of god's vengeance is coming. we must steady ourselves in preparation as it says in ephesians 6, with breastplate of righteousness etc. we must not be deceived into thinking that 'we' can solve these problems. and instead look to the one who can.

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