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Title: The Zionized-Christian political reality: Israel first, Jesus second.
Source: We Hold These Truths
URL Source: http://www.whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=839
Published: Jun 6, 2006
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2006-06-06 23:47:38 by Red Jones
Keywords: None
Views: 350
Comments: 19

The Zionized-Christian political reality: Israel first, Jesus second.

Uncounted big plot theories abound. We have a few of our own that we cannot quite prove, even to our own satisfaction, to say nothing of convincing you. Most people wonder if there is a "who" and "they" who control, or conspire to control, the world. We think so, but we also know we need to tackle problems that are tangible and concrete. Otherwise we will not make an impact. We can't help but think God wants us to produce some positive results.

One could liken the Bigfish theorist to fisherman on a dark pond, each one holding a line, each one employing his own special talent, tackle and bait in quest of what they imagine to expose the big one. The problem is, no one can see clearly under the water; and Bigfish down there doesn't seem to want to be identified. The lure of catching him is great, so the line wetting goes on...and if you don't score there is always the conversation with other fishermen to anticipate.

It is a lot more romantic to dream about identifying Mr. Bigfish, who you can't see, than to deal with the real world that is crying out for someone to see the obvious, and have the courage to change what is evil right in front of us.

It is better to win back our best and most loved friends than to fight them with bricks and bats. We are talking about our own sons, daughters-in law, fathers, employees, pastors, priests and bosses. But to free any of them from error, we must start with a few demonstrable and self-evident facts that expose the most important errors among those we love.

FACT OF LIFE: Our Serial wars are at the root of our inflation (money dilution) problem. By this I mean the cost of everything is going up except for the disposable income of the giant middle class, which is declining. The cost of war dilutes our money and makes goods, including gas and food, expensive, and elevates taxes on property. Ending war will not of itself end government waste and intentional inflations, but inflation absolutely cannot be ended without first ending serial wars.

FACT OF LIFE: Politicians will not fix this problems because someone pays them not to. War and dilution are the politician's twin drinking buddies. He will not make them go away unless forced to do so.

FACT OF LIFE: Israel is a catalyst for war; the Serial Wars in the Mideast depend upon acts by and in behalf of the State of Israel to keep wars going, and equally Warmakers depend upon hatred against Israel to keep the embers of war alive...they want Israel to keep on killing and remain hated by its neighbors! This fact is so historically obvious that some might guess Mr. Bigfish created Israel for this express purpose...we move on and leave this for speculations of those on the banks of the pond.

FACT OF LIFE: The so-called Christian Right is the most powerful supporter of the State of Israel, therefore, these Zionized Christians, while mostly well meaning, are the primary enablers of Serial wars.

FACT OF LIFE: Celebrity-Christians own a tax-exempted media is second only in size and power to the Jewish controlled public media. When you combine the votes and media control of Jews and the Christian-Zionist you reach a critical mass for information control. The Internet is the new superstar on the media block, but it too is rapidly being controlled by the Bigfish who control the establishment media.

We wrote about Facing Unavoidable Unpopular Truths and how most people dodge them. Anyone who does not instinctively recognize these few facts of life is lucky not to be a cat, for a cat survives on instincts, and when instincts fail her, she soon becomes a former cat. Only humans can survive without instincts, and not for very long!

We Hold These Truth's Mission

Our indescribably important mission is to do a necessary part to save Christianity from Christian-Zionism. Our target audience is between 30 and 70 million in the USA and more around the world. It is up to us to continue until our "Facts of Life" are understood by a significant minority in most churches and mosques. To this end we join with all those who would end Serial wars, which is the most horrible vehicle for spiritual collapse. Knowing and writing the truth is not enough; we must use every legal means to reach out to those who need to know.

Christian Political activism; in Israel for Israel

Prominent members (celebrities) of the Christian-Right are exposing their Achilles heel to the world when they adopt un-Christian positions in order to do spiritual business with the State of Israel. Zionized-Christians surrender certain basic tenants that Christ accepted, and they accept much of what Jesus resoundingly rejected, including Pharisaism.

In this series we will examine these errors in hopes of restoring Zionized-Christians to followers of Christ. The most obvious example of professing Christians making provable un-Christian statements in support of false values is found in the words of American Celebrity Christians in their ridiculous fawning over the Israel.

We Hold These Truths' Mission

We Hold These Truth's vital mission is to do a necessary part to save Christianity from Christian-Zionism. Our target audience is between 30 and 70 million in the USA and more around the world. It is up to us to continue until our "Facts of Life" are understood by a significant minority in most churches and mosques. To this end we join with all those who would end Serial wars, which is the most horrible vehicle for spiritual collapse. Knowing and writing the truth is not enough; we must use every legal means to reach out to those who need to know.

The Bigfish Conspiracy and the Christian-Right starts with the influence of the Oxford Press on what we think of as “Christianity.” The Scofield's movement, about which this author has written so much, is the flimsy intellectual moorings to which Zionized-Christianity is tethered. It is like a boat tied to a floating stump; its falseness is based on error, fed by heresy. Its celebrity leaders who we will be discussing in this series are the product of a concerted effort to warp and control Christianity by first changing the Bible. We call it "Scofieldism" because of this one man's terrible contribution. Carlson's 43 minute presentation explains is quite well.

A Glimmer of Hope

Financially successful celebrities we will be discussing are probley lost causes. Each has made a business of Christian-Zionism. In contrast we must seek out those not yet caught up in it but and who have not become parasites to it. They can be rescued because they can still see the faint light of truth.

IN PART II: The big loud guns we will discuss include Kay Arthur, John Hagee, Jerry Falwell and more who believe Israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophesy, some of whom also claim Jews enjoy a separate, very wide gate into Heaven. Most important, in the interest of winning others we document why they believe this spiritually fatal error.

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#8. To: Red Jones, Robin (#0)

It is a lot more romantic to dream about identifying Mr. Bigfish, who you can't see, than to deal with the real world that is crying out for someone to see the obvious, and have the courage to change what is evil right in front of us.

It is better to win back our best and most loved friends than to fight them with bricks and bats. We are talking about our own sons, daughters-in law, fathers, employees, pastors, priests and bosses. But to free any of them from error, we must start with a few demonstrable and self-evident facts that expose the most important errors among those we love.

IN PART II: The big loud guns we will discuss include Kay Arthur, John Hagee, Jerry Falwell and more who believe Israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophesy, some of whom also claim Jews enjoy a separate, very wide gate into Heaven. Most important, in the interest of winning others we document why they believe this spiritually fatal error.

I have been giving a lot of thought myself to that lately. The big picture seems so overwhelming, and I began to think, so what if we win the war, and the ones we love are condemned for eternity because they believed the Big Lie, denying the Lord who bought them. I've decided to spend more time trying to get them to see the error of their ways, and kill two birds with one stone. Once they see the truth, they won't have any choice but to join the battle, or at least ONE WOULD HOPE!

I am really glad to see http://whtt.org back online. I spent a few maddening hours last week, after I found the d'd internet had banned him for the THIRD TIME, trying to find out what had precipitated it. I was so angry last week, I didn't think we'd ever see him again. I saw this thread late last night, and so jumped over to his site and spent a couple of hours going over it.

I had read last week that he though that THIS is the article that precipitated his banning:

Why doesn’t God end our Serial Wars? - Charles E. Carlson Mar 18, 2006

http://www.whtt.org/index.php ?news=2&id=767

[It included THIS story: Visiting a Mosque By Tom Compton http://www.whtt.org/index.php ?news=2&id=753 ], which makes a lie out of the "evil Islam" mantra of the Neo-cons. I'm sure they don't want THIS story to get out there, so spread it far and wide.]

See also this letter which explains the trouble they have been having with censorship [it includes the names of 90 ISP providers]:

http://www.whtt.org/index.php ?news=2&id=827

There was an interesting blurb at the bottom of Carlson's letter!

"Full text of letter resulting in the multiple complaints from one person:

Dr. Gordon Ginn, Wednesday night, May 10, 2006, on the NEW TESTAMENT BOOK OF ROMANS CHAPTER 13

70 million people have been told in their churches that this one Bible Chapter justifies America’s warring in the Middle East. DOES IT? http://www.whtt.org/live/

Remember Romans 13 is what the Fascists in GW's CorpUSA are going around and telling Pastors to use to instruct their flocks to obey, when CorpUSA brings on Martial Law and transports them to the concentration camps.

Please see Romans 13, the Higher Liberty

http://www.hisholychurc h.net/sermon/Romans13.html

I agree with Chuck Carlson that we need to spend more time making Christians, particularly those we love and cherish, to see their error [Matthew 23; II Peter 2], in order to save them from the fire, and to put a stop to all this senseless and evil killing in the name of Christ. After all, it is what He told us to do: PREACH THE GOSPEL.

"Is not my WORD AS A FIRE that hammereth the rock INTO PIECES?"

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-07   12:58:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Zipporah, rowdee (#8)

I am really glad to see http://whtt.org back online. I spent a few maddening hours last week, after I found the d'd internet had banned him for the THIRD TIME, trying to find out what had precipitated it. I was so angry last week, I didn't think we'd ever see him again. I saw this thread late last night, and so jumped over to his site and spent a couple of hours going over it.

I had read last week that he though that THIS is the article that precipitated his banning:

Why doesn’t God end our Serial Wars? - Charles E. Carlson Mar 18, 2006

http://www.whtt.org/index.php ?news=2&id=767

Thanks for this info, very interesting.

robin  posted on  2006-06-07   14:26:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: robin (#9)

You're very welcome. I also found it interesting that last week, this article had been pretty much cleansed off the web, and I was only able to get a partial cached version of it. There was a rant posted here a week or two ago, and the Jewish person who wrote it was castigating Christians who were trying to convert the Jews. He said we had plenty of apostate Christians, especially Protestants to preach to, and we were free to do it. One of the cached articles I found by Chuck Carlson offered an invitation to tune into his website for Bible Study, and as he said in his letter, he was obviously NOT FREE to preach to the apostate Christians, since his website had been shut down.

They have taken down the ukar.org site, and a cached article I pulled down a couple of weeks ago has also been taken down. A tax freedom site, preaching very legit articles, has been taken down lock, stock, and barrel, and the website owner is in jail, probably on trumped up charges. They've thrown a minister or two in jail for refusing to go under the State, and it never seems to end with these people.

I hope Chuck Carlson sues big-time. As I said, I am happy he is online again, and greatly relieved. Every time this happens, I worry about the person's safety. These are serious times.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-07   14:56:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

hope Chuck Carlson sues big-time.

I wish I knew where it says in the bible not to sue people in courts due to the fact that injustice is in the courts run by man. I think it is in the early 'law of Moses' part, but it could be in proverbs or somewhere else in OT.

I mean really, justice in man's court - that is a joke.

and you try to tell people about how censorship is occurring, how some journalists are having problems, that apparently fascism is occurring to some people, and people think you're crazy.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-06-07   22:31:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Red Jones (#15)

I wish I knew where it says in the bible not to sue people in courts due to the fact that injustice is in the courts run by man. I think it is in the early 'law of Moses' part, but it could be in proverbs or somewhere else in OT.

I mean really, justice in man's court - that is a joke.

I hear you. I think I have come across the same passage.

There are two court systems in this country, for now. One is the Merchant Marine court [see GET THAT GOLD FRINGE OFF MY FLAG], and the other is the common law court under the ORIGINAL Constitution. The Merchant Marine Court is under CorpUSA's constitution [see ACT OF 1871 - Congress Passes an Act to Provide a Government for the District of Columbia.]. Some wise and educated people [I am not one of them, yet] know how to get their day in courts OF THE PEOPLE. See Links to Educate at http://wealth4freedom.com and also see the book SUI JURIS at http://avoiceforchildren.com for more information about how all of this works.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-10   13:02:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Red Jones (#17)

see ACT OF 1871 - Congress Passes an Act to Provide a Government for the District of Columbia

Sorry. Forgot the link. Pardon me, but was it you I was talking to? My computer is freezing up on me, and I am trying to tie up loose ends and shut it down. Apologies.

http://www.worldnewssta nd.net/history/1871Act.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-10   14:50:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#18)

This link refers to US Code Title 28 3002(15)(a)(b)(c)

A look at the Cornell Law site has a title page for TITLE 28 as follows:

TITLE 28—JUDICIARY AND JUDICIAL PROCEDURE

PART I—ORGANIZATION OF COURTS PART II—DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PART III—COURT OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES PART IV—JURISDICTION AND VENUE PART V—PROCEDURE PART VI—PARTICULAR PROCEEDINGS

And a Title and Section search brings up definitions used in these various Parts. TITLE 28 3002 (15) (A)(B)(C) are as follows:

(15) “United States” means— (A) a Federal corporation; (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or (C) an instrumentality of the United States.

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