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Title: What Really Happened to Israel
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Published: May 9, 2024
Author: Mike Winger
Post Date: 2024-05-09 18:55:33 by The_Rock
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#1. To: watchman, pinguinite, horse (#0)

Romans 11 King James Version 11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

The_Rock  posted on  2024-05-09   18:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#2. To: All (#1)

@ayls9443 6 months ago Man this is such a great teaching for today. 4 Reply

@monthc 1 year ago (edited) Somehow Mike's messages are always timely, no matter what the topic or how long ago they were recorded. Currently worrying over my unbelieving wife, but those words of encouragement at the end really hit home. 12 Reply

@yyramos12270224 1 year ago Que predicación tan maravillosa, aprendí tanto! 3 Reply

@TheBlubunni 5 years ago Love to ses the Love of God in your teaching Mike. Yes and Amen Our Father has a plan for the Jews and All who accept Jesus and His Precious Gift of Grace. Thank You Heavenly Father, Thank You Jesus. 3 Reply

@danielvargas9321 5 months ago Thank you Mike for your Ministry, I love them all and I tell everyone about you, I am looking forward to you doing a series on Apologetics. Please keep up the Good work 2 Reply

@Leah_k21 3 years ago I'll try to make this as short and to the point as possible. Love you Pastor Mike, and appreciate everything you're doing. My wife and I have learned so much from your teaching. That being said, I have to disagree in part with the Israel/church distinction. But this requires a higher degree of precision when defining what that actually means. I've heard a few teachers now try to equate fulfillment theology with replacement theology as if they're the same error in different packages. While I do believe it is error to say the church has replaced Israel, Paul adamantly and repeatedly teaches that the church is the ultimate fulfillment of the promises made to Abraham. The church is not the new Israel, it is the True Israel. The Israel of God. There is one circumcision, one faith, one seed, one promise, one inheritance, one people, one hope, one gospel, one spirit, one baptism, one savior, one God. We are all grafted into one body/olive tree/vine in Christ. We do not remain jews or gentiles, we together have become the true Israel through Faith. Dispensationalists often say the scriptures teach a clear distinction between Israel and the Church, and use the idea that Israel is the bride of Christ, and the Church is The Body of Christ. This undermines the whole reason Paul uses this metaphor in the first place. For who can become a man's body along with him except his Bride, whom through the covenant and consummation of Marriage, the two become one flesh. Paul explicitly teaches this about Christ and the church in Ephesians. Indeed all Israel will be saved, but not all Israel are Israel, but those who believe are children of Abraham whether Jew or Gentile. I honestly find it difficult to understand how any spiritually discerning person can read Paul's letters and come to any other conclusion than this. The Church is the true Israel. 21 Reply

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@zachsmith8916 5 years ago I really like your stuff. I recently found your channel and have to say that it is refreshing to find someone who teaches from a straight forward Biblical hermeneutic. God bless 8 Reply

@sonamchristopher9083 1 month ago I needed this! Praise God. Please pray for a friend I care about named Gil and his mother Nomy. They are Jewish from Israel. Reply

@NewCreationInChrist896 1 year ago Glory hallelujah to King Jesus. John 3:16-21 1 Reply

@allthethingsyouwillsee1081 1 year ago Thanks Pastor Mike Reply

@eversosleight 5 years ago Mike, you are one of my top go-to teachers and I'm happy to have discovered you some time back. As a fellow non-Calvinist, I appreciate your thoughtful verse by verse walk thru. I've seen most of your vids and I working through this Israel vid. It seems to me that there's a fine line between Israel and the church. Spiritually, we are Israel (Rom ?) and yet natural Israel appears to be displayed in the NT pertinent to prophetic fulfilment. See still watching and still studying. Thanks! Excellent content. Also, digging the bow tie. 6 Reply

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@TOBYD7 4 years ago Awesome Awesome teaching. Thank you. Reply

@HunnyBunMama 5 years ago My husband (a new pastor) and I have been enjoying your video teachings very much, Mike. You're really gifted to teach The Word. We are Mid Acts Dispensational Grace believers, (oh, you want some hate from people? LOL..) and it seems to us from listening to a number of your teachings (particularly the ones on Romans 9, 10,11) that you are very close to seeing some excellent and fascinating truths about how God deals with mankind in different ways at different times. Thanks SO much for showing that God has a future plan for the nation of Israel. We know that the Church, the Body of Christ has NOT replaced Israel in His plans. Would love a chance to dialogue with you more sometime. 5 Reply

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@joantadisch2872 2 years ago Mike, I thank God for your clear teachings of the Bible. 1 Reply

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@goesthadistance 2 years ago Thank you. Reply

@geraldpolmateer3255 5 months ago An understanding of the Old Testament will help to understand the background of what the New Testament writers said and wrote. In the Old Testament are references from other parts of the Old Testament

Quotes may be used in four basic ways 1. A direct quote from a variety of Greek Old Testament texts or direct quotes from a variety of Hebrew texts. The Septuagint (LXX) was translated from 250BC to 50BC and some of the other books were added after that. The Masoretic Text (MT) was compiled from several Hebrew texts from 500 AD to 1000 AD 2. An allusion eg. Micah 5:2 3. A summary eg. Ezra 9:10-12 4. An application of another text - Matthew 2:16-18; Jeremiah 31:15 Reply

@Aaron_Wells 3 years ago "So many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the LORD. Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you" (Zech. 8:22-23). 1 Reply

@emarvin135 4 years ago Yay! Awesome mike! This sounds like dispensationalism! Woohoo God bless you brother! 3 Reply

@gideonikrokoto7616 5 years ago Thank you preacher. God bless you for allowing yourself to be taught by God and for giving out the truth as you have been taught by him. For those who have any contrary views, please respond to the following: Do you believe there are prophecies about the nation of Israel that are yet to be fulfilled after Jesus ascended to heaven or after the day of pentecost? Do you believe that the re-garhering and creation of the modern state of Israel is a fulfillment of scriptural prophecies? How would you interprete Jesus prophecy; Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles untill the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled (be over). In Act 2 , the disciples asked Jesus, will you at this time restore the kingdom (sovereignty) back to Israel? Jesus replied, it is not for you to know the time the Father has put in his authority, meaning the Almighty God will in the future restore the sovereignty of the state of Israel . Could you pls reflect and give interpretation of Jesus response? what wouls you say about the story of Joseph and his brothers signifies? Do you remember that the Gentiles were fed more abundantly than Joseph's brothers before Joseph made himself known to his brothers? What did Jesus mean when he said; the Jews will not see him until they will say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord ? What would you say about the prophecy of Zechariah; they will weep for him, every house apart, the house of David apart and the house of Levi apart. Whatever interpretation we might want to present, it is very clear from scriptures that just as Joseph made himself known to his brothers and they became very sober and were eventually brought into abundance in food supply, so also will Jesus make himself known to the Jews. 1 Reply

@dawnmichelle4403 10 months ago Mike Winger giving off Bill Nye the Science Guy vibes! ️ Reply

@JoshuaSmithFamilyRobinson 1 year ago I especially relate to the introduction point. So few Christian’s are aware of the dynamics between Jews and gentiles and how God still has so many plans for national Israel! 1 Reply

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@tnmtnmorning1178 3 years ago "Pride is like a really bad toot" may be my favorite Wingerism ever 4 Reply

@hollyholt1137 2 years ago I love Mike's analogies!! "Pride is like a really bad toot...other people know it's there but you don't" So many great catch phrases!! 1 Reply

@justinwilson3694 2 years ago Blinding is just leaving them in their flesh. Reply

@JohanLindaSchep 4 years ago Mijn naam is Johan Schep en met vreugde heb ik de boodschap beluisterd. Zelf ben ik in 1974 tot persoonlijk geloof gekomen in Israël. Mijn moeder had mijn Bijbeltje in mijn rugzak gedaan. Daarna heb ik de Heere Jezus 33 jaar intensief met evangelisatie in Israël gediend en enkele Joodse mensen ook tot geloof zien komen. Allen Gods rijke zegen gewenst. Reply

The_Rock  posted on  2024-05-09   19:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#3. To: The_Rock (#1)

For I also am an Israelite,

Yeah, Paul is an actual Israelite...not an Edomite.

watchman  posted on  2024-05-09   19:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#4. To: The_Rock (#2)

So Stone, do you speak in Tongues and whip yourself into a frenzy when you go to your "church"?

"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2024-05-09   19:11:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#5. To: FormerLurker (#4)

So Stone, do you speak in Tongues

No. Those people who make all those sounds that are incomprehensible are not speaking in tongues. They are just trying to sound important in my opinion. I think Speaking tongues was in an actual foreign language that people understood. Not the jibberish some pretenders mumble.

The_Rock  posted on  2024-05-09   19:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#6. To: FormerLurker (#4)

Watch the video if you have time. The guy on the video does a better job than I am capable of.

The_Rock  posted on  2024-05-09   19:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#7. To: watchman (#3)

Ok I watched the video. It was a good one.

If you care to take the time to watch the video and refute anything he said maybe we can do it civilly.

The_Rock  posted on  2024-05-09   19:43:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#8. To: The_Rock (#7)

Ok I watched the video.

You watched a 47 minute what, 10 minutes?

This is why you have a credibility problem.

watchman  posted on  2024-05-09   19:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#9. To: watchman (#8)

You can't do math or tell time.

Posted at 6:55. made my comment at 7:43.

That is 48 minutes.

You not only need to learn right from wrong but how to add and tell time.

You're showing that you are a stupid person.

10 min lol.

The_Rock  posted on  2024-05-09   21:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#10. To: The_Rock (#9)


You didn't start watching the vid until I called you out on it at 7:14

That, combined with your reading comprehension = lazy shill

watchman  posted on  2024-05-09   22:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#11. To: The_Rock (#7)

maybe we can do it civilly.

Civility is not your style.

You waste people's time.

I don't debate people I feel sorry for.

watchman  posted on  2024-05-09   22:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#12. To: watchman (#11)

That's ok. You are a documented liar, who can't tell time or do math. And all you do is talk to me. About 95 percent of your posts are to me.

So you are not really a credible person. A fake watchman. A sandy porch monkey.

The_Rock  posted on  2024-05-09   22:30:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#13. To: watchman (#10)

You didn't start watching the vid until I called you out on it at 7:14

No I started watching it when I posted the comment in the no aid to gaza thread.

Again proving you are a liar since you would have no idea when I started it. Fucking weirdo.

The_Rock  posted on  2024-05-09   22:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#14. To: The_Rock (#13)

You posted the video then immediately started shit posting FormerLurker and me.

Credibility zero.

Lying is your version of "speaking in tongues".

watchman  posted on  2024-05-09   22:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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