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Title: Elon Warns AI Will "Do Everything Better Than You", Make Employment Obsolete
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URL Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/technolog ... r-you-make-employment-obsolete
Published: May 25, 2024
Author: Tyler Durden
Post Date: 2024-05-25 20:35:46 by Horse
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Views: 1655
Comments: 50

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#4. To: Horse (#0)

Robotics alone can make employment obsolete, but add in AI and it's all the more true. This is a real economic conundrum that human civilization has never faced before.

The 40 hour work week was established due to the work of Henry Ford as he discovered that productivity quality dropped off after that many hours a week. The 40 hours wasn't settled upon because society/economy needed it, but because it was the most that could be efficiently provided by a quality worker.

Fast forward to today, and production can be maxed out with less than 40 hours of human work per worker. So fewer peolpe are needed to make things or the same number of people could work fewer hours for maximum production.

But then with less employment, how can workers make enough to buy what's needed? Unemployment goes up because fewer people are needed, and then homelessness goes way up like it is now. It's easy to then see the logic of concluding the world is full of too many useless eaters that should be exterminated with a vaccine.

But I'm not sure there's an ethical solution to a world where anything can be produced cheaply but without having anything close to the whole world working to produce those things.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-05-25   21:17:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#4) (Edited)

The 40 hour work week was established due to the work of Henry Ford as he discovered that productivity quality dropped off after that many hours a week. The 40 hours wasn't settled upon because society/economy needed it, but because it was the most that could be efficiently provided by a quality worker.

I sometimes work 60 hours a week, but need a nap sometimes :)

Henry Ford also introduced the $5/day in 1914, but there were strings attached, namely his spies would watch you night and day and if you drank/danced/rented a room to family/failed to attend church/smoked/swore you only got the 3.00/day base pay.

Don't get me wrong, I think Henry was a genius, but for fucks's sake let's not celebrate him as some sort of libertarian idol, right?

Melting Pot Ceremony at Ford English School, July 4, 1917

Dakmar  posted on  2024-05-25   23:53:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Dakmar (#12)

Don't get me wrong, I think Henry was a genius, but for fucks's sake let's not celebrate him as some sort of libertarian idol, right?

I don't think what I said celebrated him but it seems he was the first to actually care or notice that there was a limit to how productive a human could be.

My point was that in the current age of robotic industry, it's possible that all people could be supplied with basic needs with the average work week being somewhat less than 40 hours a week.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-05-26   2:08:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pinguinite (#20)

he was the first to actually care or notice that there was a limit to how productive a human could be.

the average work week being somewhat less than 40 hours a week.

There are limits to one's endurance. But the Illinois State Highways did not care since in winter on the weekend we were called in 3 hours early for an 18 hour shift. That was 21 hours on the clock. I had to stop to nap a couple of times toward the end of that one.

It is hard to sleep in a day cab, but we had hard hat with a liner to keep the ears and neck warm in winter. You simply pull over and put out the headlight and put the plow down. You swing your legs across onto the passenger seat with plow controls between your legs, put your head in the corner of the cab and nod off.

You know you been sleeping when you wake up and the windshield is snow covered.

I work with several people that are mentally impaired. We currently work 6 hour days. One of the worst off only works a half day until lunch. He always says to me, "I go home before you do."

Big freaking deal. ;)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2024-05-27   12:37:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: BTP Holdings (#31)

That was 21 hours on the clock.

I'm pretty sure that violated OSHA regs. I don't think they make exceptions for civil emergencies.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-05-28   23:48:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Pinguinite (#32)

I'm pretty sure that violated OSHA regs. I don't think they make exceptions for civil emergencies.

It was our job to keep the roads open. Some storms were so heavy the roads were closed for days on end.

One time they called for the loaders from the gravel pits with 7-yard buckets. The guy gets there and opens to door, "Where do you want it?" We told him, "Anywhere. Just get it off the road."

He was throwing scoops over the guard rail. There was a flash of color. We stopped him. He threw a car over the guard rail.

We put a chain on it and pulled it back up and set it on the road. There wasn't a scratch on it. The snow acted as a buffer. ;)

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