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Title: Papal Candidate Gives Pro-Zionist Talk
Source: rense
URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general63/papl.htm
Published: Apr 1, 2005
Author: Jerusalem Post
Post Date: 2005-04-01 05:49:14 by Itisa1mosttoolate
Keywords: Pro-Zionist, Candidate, Papal
Views: 257
Comments: 19

Papal Candidate
Gives Pro-Zionist Talk

The Jerusalem Post
4-1-5

"A cardinal considered a candidate to succeed Pope John Paul II delivered a strong message in favor of Jewish settlement in the Holy Land on Wednesday night, rejecting the claim that European Christians' support for the State of Israel is based on Holocaust guilt and saying that all Christians should affirm Zionism as a biblical imperative for the Jewish people."

A cardinal considered a candidate to succeed Pope John Paul II delivered a strong message in favor of Jewish settlement in the Holy Land on Wednesday night, rejecting the claim that European Christians' support for the State of Israel is based on Holocaust guilt and saying that all Christians should affirm Zionism as a biblical imperative for the Jewish people.

Archbishop of Vienna Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, part of a visiting Austrian delegation, made the remarks in an address at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem on the topic of "God's chosen land."

After asking, "What does Eretz Yisrael [the Land of Israel] mean to us," Schoenborn answered by stressing the doctrinal importance to Christians of not only recognizing Jews' connection to the land, but also ensuring that Christian identification with the Jewish Bible not lead to a "usurpation" of Jewish uniqueness.

"Only once in human history did God take a country as an inheritance and give it to His chosen people," Schoenborn said, adding that Pope John Paul II had himself declared the biblical commandment for Jews to live in Israel an everlasting covenant that remained valid today. Christians, Schoenborn said, should rejoice in the return of Jews to the Holy Land as the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

A Palestinian priest challenged the cardinal on that point, asking how he could preach to his Palestinian congregation that the establishment of the modern Jewish state was not a "catastrophe," as they called it, or the result of European powers' guilty conscience following World War II.

Schoenborn responded by saying that "I am myself a refugee" - at the end of World War II, when he was an infant, Schoenborn's parents fled to Austria from Czechoslovakia - and that he felt pained at the unrecognized injustice that thousands of Czechs had suffered. However, he said, both that case and the Arab-Israeli conflict were matters of international law, whereas the chosenness of the Jewish people and their inheritance in the Holy Land were matters of faith that date back to the Bible itself.

Schoenborn also said he hoped the conflict here would be resolved in accordance with international law, and with respect to justice for the Palestinian people. "We are all longing for that solution," he said. "Yet I am not naive. Conflicts are part of [both sides'] love of the land, and always have been... There is no simple solution."

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#1. To: All (#0)

Mafkarat al-Islam

Mafkarat al-Islam, March 23, 2005, 11:20pm Mecca time.

White slave trade now earns US$1 billion annually in Israel.

A REPORT carried by the "News Israel" Hebrew website on the Internet on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 says that the total annual profits garnered from white slavery in Israel have reached the US$1 billion mark.

The website reported that the white slave trade has become a real industry in Israel.

The website noted that the figures on the industry were given today to the Speaker of the Knesset Ruby Rivlin by deputy Zahafa Galoun of the Parliamentary Investigations Committee.

The website reported that compiling the report took a period of four years during which the conditions of the white slave trade in Israel were observed. It became evident that the number of prostitutes who arrived in Israel rose from 3,000 to 5,000 women. The price of a woman in the prostitute market is between $8,000 and $10,000. According to the report, the prostitute works from 14 to 18 hours each weak but receives only 20 shekels of the 120 shekels paid to the "owner of the lady." The report said that although there had been minor improvement in the fight against the white slave trade, and in spite of the massive efforts that the police and Zionist courts have made, the mafia running the trade continues to do so on a large scale and effectively.

The report urged Zionist courts to pass rulings that are more powerful and severe against the traffickers in white slaves, stiffening penalties for the masters and bosses in the trade.

This suggestion is exactly the same one offered by the latest report from the US State Department on the condition of women in the Zionist entity. That report said that tougher laws needed to be enacted after Israel had become the biggest center for the export of prostitutes in the world.

It is worthy of mention that the Zionist police force grants official and legal work permits to many brothels in Israel. It has become known that top officials in the Zionist police agencies own many of them.

BBC News: Thousands of women have been smuggled into Israel in the past four years to work as prostitutes, a parliamentary inquiry says.

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-04-01   6:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

This is unreal.. as this 'speech' is absolutely is NOT Roman Catholic doctrine.. the Roman Catholic church has held a partial preterist position on eschatology.. I wonder what the reaction to this will be by Catholics?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-01   6:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah (#2)

Why does the Pope wear a Yamaka?

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-04-01   6:14:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

Perhaps the Vatican will finally be converted over to a Synagogue. Then over and above what Washington, DC forks dolls out to Israel, American Catholics can tithe even more money to Israel.

wbales  posted on  2005-04-01   7:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#3)

LOL..

Well this person has said is the absolutely anthesis of what catholic doctrine has held for as long as the Catholic church has existed.. it's NOT orthodox Christian doctrine.. period.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-01   7:36:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Zipporah (#2)

This is unreal.. as this 'speech' is absolutely is NOT Roman Catholic doctrine.. the Roman Catholic church has held a partial preterist position on eschatology.. I wonder what the reaction to this will be by Catholics?

More politics disguised as religion. Automatic for the sheeple.

Apparently, Israel's influence in the Vatican will soon be approaching that which Israel now has in the Pentagon.

YEE-HAW!

wbales  posted on  2005-04-01   7:39:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: wbales, Zipporah (#6)

Jewish exremists plan to storm the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem on April 10th 2005

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-04-01   7:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: wbales (#6)

More politics disguised as religion. Automatic for the sheeple.

Isnt that the truth? Sad to say..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-01   8:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

"Only once in human history did God take a country as an inheritance and give it to His chosen people," Schoenborn said, adding that Pope John Paul II had himself declared the biblical commandment for Jews to live in Israel an everlasting covenant that remained valid today. Christians, Schoenborn said, should rejoice in the return of Jews to the Holy Land as the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

This is a monumental heresy being promoted by the Catholic Church, the Pope and this Cardinal that spits in the face of Biblical TRUTH. The key word in the above statement is inheritance.

Most people do not understand the history of the "Jews" because they confuse these people called "Jews" with Israelites. The two groups have opposing beliefs, and no such thing as a "Jew" existed when Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt and into the PROMISED LAND.

Of course the Catholic Church would have you ignore the Bible and listen to the Pope, the so-called "Vicar" of Christ. Well, let me tell you that the Catholic Church is a corrupted agency of men that has become an artifice for the purpose of establishing a one world religion that will operate in conjunction with a one world government.

When Moses led the "Israelite Inheritors" of the PROMISED LAND out of Egypt there was no such thing as a Synagogue in existence. No Rabbi's, No Pharisees, No JEWS. The Promises that God made to Abraham were to be executed through his son Isaac, and grandson Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. The 12 Tribes of Israel were the descendants of this man, and the rightful inheritors ... the only problem is that the people claiming the inheritance since 1948 are in large part (90% or more) not related to Abraham at all, nor are they Hebrews or Israelites by ethnicity.

The Bible tells the correct geneology of those entitled to inherit the land ... and it is not the Ashkenazi Jews that were converted in 750 AD., that had never been ethnically related to the Israelites, and were never promised squat !

noone222  posted on  2005-04-01   8:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: noone222 (#9)

The word "Israelites" is not used in the Bible.

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-04-01   8:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#10)

The word "Israelites" is not used in the Bible.

See Exodus 9:7, Leviticus 23:42, Joshua 3:17, 8:24, 13:6, 13:13, Judges 20:21, 1st Samuel 2:14, 14:21, 25:1, 29:1, 2nd Kings 3:24, 7:13, 1st Chronicles 9:2, Romans 9:4, 2nd Corinthians 11:22

And there are other scriptures that refer to some one being of Israelitish origin.

What Bible are you refering to ?

noone222  posted on  2005-04-01   9:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#7)

Here's your thread and a link to another on the same April 10th plan:

JERUSALEM -- A grassroots Jewish organization plans to bring 10,000 Jews next month to the heavily restricted Temple Mount to spark Israeli dialogue about reclaiming the holy site from its Muslim custodians.

robin  posted on  2005-04-01   10:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: noone222 (#9)

To me it makes no difference whether or not most Israelis are actual descendents of the biblical Israelites or not, I don't think there is any place for the rantings of Sky Chief in real estate law.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-01   10:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Dakmar (#13)

To me it makes no difference whether or not most Israelis are actual descendents of the biblical Israelites or not, I don't think there is any place for the rantings of Sky Chief in real estate law.

I don't understand your response. Real Estate law and genocide have little in common.

The murder of innocent Palestinians may not bother everyone, it does bother me. It looks to me that if the Pope, the King of England and the President of the U.S. are all going to co-sign the invasion of Palestine based upon a presumption that they are "reclaiming" the land for someone that had been displaced from it so that they might "return" they should be able to prove the claim is legit. When they use Taxpayer funds, and send American kids to die for the purposes deemed necessary to accomplish their agenda, they should be able to factually demonstrate that their claim is legitimate.

For a Cardinal (in the running for Pope) to promote an obvious falsehood based upon scripture, that is the underlying cause of hundreds of thousands of deaths is unacceptable in a civilized world, real estate law be damned !

noone222  posted on  2005-04-01   11:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: noone222 (#14)

The murder of innocent Palestinians may not bother everyone, it does bother me.

Me too, but judging from many of you posts it sound like you would approve if the Israelis were in fact decendents of the biblical Israelites. All I'm saying is it is wrong what is happening and no amount of ancient mythology can justify it.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-01   11:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Dakmar (#15)

Me too, but judging from many of you posts it sound like you would approve if the Israelis were in fact decendents of the biblical Israelites.

We're on the same page. I wouldn't approve of what's taking place in Palestine even if they could prove some inheritance rights through an alleged promise that was recorded for posterity in the Bible. "BUTT" ... "BUTT"

My point is this: It not only can't be proven, but can be shown to be inaccurate according to the source they claim supports them.

My point is that it's less important to know who would qualify for the inheritance, when all that needs to be shown is "WHO DEFINITELY DOESN'T QUALIFY" ...

The proof that these so-called "Jews" do not qualify as heirs of Abraham should be sufficient for the world to re-assess the abomination that was created 60 years ago, and send the Ashkenazim back where they came from.

noone222  posted on  2005-04-01   11:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: noone222 (#16)

Ok, I understand now. You are trying to demonstrate fraud to believers, while I think the whole thing is a scam to begin with.

I don't really care what people believe, I even think religion is a good thing for the most part, but it gets on my nerves when people try to use it to justify something that is clearly wrong.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-01   11:35:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#7)

Did you see this from that link.. from FR:

To: Alouette

Does this involve blood of Christian children?

13 posted on 03/08/2005 6:19:58 PM PST by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies ]

To: eclectic Does this involve blood of Christian children?

Naah. Organs of Muslim children. 17 posted on 03/08/2005 7:20:31 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-01   15:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

Papal Candidate Gives Pro-Zionist Talk

What an idiotic article.

There is no such thing as a "papal candidate".

Heck, if the cardinals ever had the slightest suspicion that somebody was campaigning for pope, that person would be disqualified as being overly ambitious.

For this same reason, you can also rule out any "contenders" that the media will speculate about.

The only sure bet is that new pope will be somebody that nobody would have ever guessed.

Willie Green  posted on  2005-04-01   15:50:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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