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Title: THIS is Israel
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Published: Oct 22, 2024
Author: Pinguinite
Post Date: 2024-10-22 16:46:02 by Pinguinite
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Very sensitive images, but very REAL images that need to see the light of day. This is why I hate Israel. "God's Chosen People" my ass. Change my mind. Many of these images are censored even on X for their extreme content, but ... welcome to 4um where reality is permitted! The Israeli Gal Gadot screen shot is fitting contrasting Wonder Woman's concern about innocent children in a movie set with the real life actress's advocacy of Israel's brutal onslaught.
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#11. To: The_Rock (#10)
You hold the cloaks of those who did this...
You are a propagandist for Hamas and terrorists. I'm sure you are probably on a watch list. But honestly neither you or me know the story of that picture. It could be a Hamas mis fire. It could be a kid someone's parents left in a war zone while firing on Israel with a child in the proximity. It could be a missed target from Israel targeting a legitimate target that was firing on them. It could be indiscriminate bombing by Israel. That is the truth. You don't speak the truth but just push an agenda that everything is Israels fault.
Lavon Affair The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation, codenamed Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the summer of 1954. As part of a false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers. The bombs were timed to detonate several hours after closing time. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian communists, "unspecified malcontents", or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.[2] The operation caused no casualties among the population, but resulted in the deaths of four operatives. The overseer of the operation allegedly informed the Egyptians, after which 11 suspected operatives were arrested. Two died by suicide after being captured, two were executed by the Egyptian authorities, two of them were acquitted at trial, and the remaining five received prison terms ranging from 7 years to life in prison. The operation ultimately became known as the "Lavon affair" after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon, who was forced to resign as a consequence of the incident. Before Lavon's resignation, the incident had been euphemistically referred to in Israel as the "Unfortunate Affair" or "The Bad Business" (Hebrew: העסק הביש, HaEsek HaBish). Israel publicly denied any involvement in the incident until 2005, when the surviving agents were awarded certificates of appreciation by Israeli President Moshe Katsav.[3] “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
That is 70 years old. So even if true all those people are dead. At least I took the time to respond. Sounds like it might be true from my 3 min I looked at it.
And I never owned a slave, but guess which tribe set up the NAACP and ran it until 1955? “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Appreciate you at least considering there may be some truth outside of politics. I rarely use Wikipedia as a reference on political or social topics because it is slanted so far left/statist. With an unhealthy dose of Chosenite narrative. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
You're just boring...
watchman posted on 2024-10-24 20:56:46 ET When Jesus said, “Judge not lest you be judged,” He wasn’t talking about never judging anyone. He was saying that the standard you use to judge others will be the standard he uses to judge you. You called me a child killer because I support Israel. That is factually incorrect. You called me one because of images posted that are purported to be a tragic photo of a child killed by Israel. You are against Israel and you lied for Hamas and said October 7th didn't happen. Here is a photo of a baby killed by the people you lied for. So by your own standard you are a child killer. I'm urging you to repent and apologize for your own good. 7 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? I know we can all get carried away in a forum discussing issues we are passionate about. Just giving you a chance to be a better person.
You posted several pictures and you said this is Israel. And you hate Israel because of those photos. Did you fact check any of the photos you posted? and if so how many? and are any of the images you posted fake or AI generated? FYI futurism.com/the-byte/dead-children-images-ai Fake AF A striking number of viral photos on both sides of the Isreal-Hamas conflict have been revealed to be AI fakes — and according to experts, the problem is only going to get worse. In interviews with the Associated Press, researchers from multiple firms and organizations tasked with verifying the truthfulness of online claims said that there has been a grim influx of faked AI images featuring butchered children that are used to cast blame on each side of the bloody conflict between Israel and the terrorist group Hamas. Imran Ahmed, the CEO of the Center for Countering Digital Hate, said that whether people share out-of-context images from the long list of previous conflicts in Israel/Palestine or newer digital dupes — or in some cases a combination of the two — the heartstring-tugging effect is the same. "People are being told right now: Look at this picture of a baby," Ahmed said. "The disinformation is designed to make you engage with it." While this is far from the first conflict in which AI-manipulated propaganda has been used — Russia's invasion of Ukraine has also brought about a similar spate of digital fakes — the fake photos of dead or injured children are not only a particularly gruesome instance of the technology's cruel power, but also a harbinger of worse things to come. "It’s going to get worse — a lot worse — before it gets better," Jean- Claude Goldenstein, the CEO of the digital verification firm CREOpoint that has created a database of viral Gaza deepfakes, told AP. "Pictures, video, and audio: with generative AI, it’s going to be an escalation you haven’t seen." Layers of Deception Make no mistake: horrific numbers of children have died in the bloody conflict. Muddying the waters with fake images distorts that reality in numerous ways — not the least by giving people who see real documentation of the horrors of war an excuse to dismiss it as an AI fabrication. And to make matters even more complicated, tools meant to detect whether a photo is real or AI-manipulated can sometimes get it wrong — an increasingly well-known issue that bad actors can also exploit to sow further discord in a conflict that has no shortage of it. With dedicated disinformation artists always a step ahead of efforts to debunk them, digital security expert David Doermann, who used to lead efforts at the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) on the national security risks of AI disinformation, told the AP that there need to be efforts between governments and public and private sectors not just to beef up their tech, but to apply more stringent regulations and standards as well. "Every time we release a tool that detects this, our adversaries can use AI to cover up that trace evidence," Doermann, now a professor at the University of Buffalo, told AP. "Detection and trying to pull this stuff down is no longer the solution. We need to have a much bigger solution."
Get with the times. Ben Shapiro tried to roll out this image on Twitter. He became the laughingstock of the whole world.
He became the laughingstock of the whole world. You're a lying asshole who believes liars. Israel falsely accused of sharing fake images of Hamas atrocities using AI
So by your own standards that you set, you are a baby killer.
It was simply more dirty work by the Israelis. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Thanks for posting these images of the brutality of the Zionist regime. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
This makes absolutely no sense. As usual.
Wow... Did you read the comments under the vid you posted. Ain't nobody buying the "fact checker" nonsense...lol
It makes perfect sense baby killer. But you don't understand the Bible so you wouldn't understand. Here is a clue. I already explained it to you. Over your head.
Yeah wow. According to you Hamas would never harm anyone. They are a peace group. You really are dumb.
They're a construct of Israel. Need I post more, Hamas helper?
Of course, I will... Israel creates boogey men to justify their murder and land theft. Wanna do Hezbollah next?
World Socialist Web Site https://www.wsws.org › articles › 2023/12/02 › klox-d02 Dec 2, 2023 — Israeli officials, knowing full well how and where Hamas would strike, made a deliberate decision to stand down in order to facilitate the ... If you need more let me know...it's well documented. This stand down by Israel deserves it's own post... True or false: Israel used Hamas to barbeque 40 babies?
This guy says it all very well. Don't you dare ever say you didn't know!
Of those who died on Oct 7, some 1200 we are told, Israel killed several hundred themselves. The piles of destroyed cars were not destroyed with AK-47s, obviously, and neither were housed with destroyed walls. The IDF went in with guns ablazing, and those guns were tank guns and attack helicopters. The completely burned baby you posted a picture of may well have been killed by the IDF.
I hate Israel because of what it has done and what it has promoted, including religious based supremacism reaching the point where torturing sodomy and genocide is actively condoned and promoted. This is not in dispute. The person referred to who was sodomized was only detained, not convicted, of any crime or terror activity whatsoever. As though sodomy would be justified even if he was. Many of the photos above were from videos I myself made screen shots of. Yes, the possibility of fakery exists and have been suspicious of some, such as the little girl carrying her baby sister saying she was hit by a car. Not a fake photo as it's a video, but for me potentially staged. Propaganda happens on both sides of every war. But one cannot look at the photos of Gazan landscape being nothing but destroyed concrete buildings for as far as the eye can see, which there seems is no challenge as to being fake as even Israeli photos show, having received the equivalent of 3+ Hiroshima bombs on a region 13x more densely populated than Israel and and conclude that deaths are rare. It's easier to post a web write-up claiming pics are fake than it is to make fakes. I note your article gives zero examples of photos that they say are fake. There is an enormous amount of video content of what's going on in Gaza which is believable as cell phones are everywhere today making that possible. As for why Israel would kill journalists, the importance of public perception is something Israel has always been sensitive to, and they fight news wars as much as they fight military wars. So killing Journalists is (or at minimum, would be) an important means for them to control what the world sees. Israel did unilaterally shut down Al-jazeera news as part of this campaign, and simply labeling any journalist who dares give an opinion that Israel doesn't like can certainly earn a fake label of "Hamas Sympathizer" and executed. Ethnic cleansing and genocide is no longer even being hidden or denied now. I see such advocates on new commentary on places like NewsMax, and Israeli talking heads and those on the street are openly advocating genocide because "God gave us this land". #GOODNEWS FOR #ISRAEL ... MORE #LAND IS READY FOR YOU Israel's ambitions will not end with Gaza and the West Bank. They don't even try to hide this anymore. “I just think we need to kill them. Every last one of them”
The motive as I've been told, which seems credible to me, is that Hamas was created to spare Israel from being compelled to accept a 2-state solution. A more moderate gov in Gaza might have put forward or accepted a 2-state plan and then Israel would be under international pressure to accept it. But Israel doesn't want a 2-state solution at all, under any circumstances, so by promoting a more extreme gov in Gaza (Hamas) that would never want a 2-state solution either, Israel could always point the finger at them and say "well, we tried".
Below is a very credible and seemingly balanced take on Oct 7 which claims only 2 babies (under 1 year of age) were killed on Oct 7. One 10-month old and one newborn from that day. Any rape that may have taken place, according to the clip, if it happened at all, was isolated and not systematic or widespread. And the IDF did kill hundreds of their own people that day. Perhaps the image of the burnt baby is real, but it may have been done by the IDF in their overzealous response under some doctrine (Hannibal directive) that says it's better that Israelis die than be held captive for even a short period of time. Israeli forces killed Israeli citizens on October 7
This would have caused a massive civil war. Most of those who were said to have died were young folks at a rave. Take 4-6 ground crew per helicopter...well over 100 young soldiers involved in killing their friends and family members?
I suppose we're to believe that this is how God fulfills his promise of the promised land to his "Chosen People" (TM), contradicting everything Christianity teaches. Israel is a shithole of a country full of a shitty people. Or maybe it's a fake video? Elderly Palestinian lady is thrown out of her home that her family has owned for generations by illegal settlers…🇵🇸💔 pic.twitter.com/U8ASuKanqM— Pelham (@Resist_05) October 25, 2024
No, I don't think so. You have to factor in what people are ready to believe, and few Israels would believe the IDF would do this. People choose what they want to believe and stick with it. Look at how long a 24 hour lie about beheaded babies has persisted a full year later. And those that do understand it would believe the IDF had no choice in the matter. Finally, if they get past that, they have to blame the IDF rather than Hamas. Recall the 3 escaped hostages that came to IDF soldiers with white flags and were gunned down by them? The mother of at least one said it was not the IDF's fault. Of course the IDF mistook the hostages for Palestinian civilians which is why they were shot, but even family members find a way to reassign blame from those that pulled the trigger. No, when you are dealing with a very powerfully pre-programmed mindset as exists in Israel, the IDF can do no wrong whatsoever. There are exceptions as vast numbers of Israelis have protested against the genocide (perhaps my previous post about their being a "shitty people" is too broadbrushed but ... I'm not immune to such things myself, I suppose. But never underestimate the power of the human mind to believe things that are not true. As they say, it's much easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled.
I was buying in to the whole Hamas attack that day...until the "40 beheaded babies" girl reporter crashed the whole show. This girl... At that precise moment, the killings, rapes, and hostage stories went up in a puff of smoke. If the "40 babies" story was fake, then the whole thing was fake (as far as I was concerned). The "40 beheaded babies" hoax revealed a lot of people, including AKA Stone and Ben Shapiro. Both, as far as I know, are still trying to convince us that the story is true. Since then, the video by the girl reporter has been scrubbed from the internet. Imagine such an important piece of video evidence would disappear like that...
Sure they are. They were doing this for years just for sport. They made or allowed Oct. 7 to happen just so they could go hog wild and play the victim. That you're too stupid to see that speaks volumes. Or maybe you are like them and get off on it. Pretty much. I used to respect them, then I found out about their ties to the JFK assassination, the attacks against the USS Liberty, their involvement in the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon, their involvement in 9/11, and countless other evil deeds. And now this.. That they totally control our government is obvious. LBJ traded silver for blood in that deal. I used to respect them, then I found out about their ties to the JFK assassination, You're a kook. Israel is wiping on your friends in Iran now. Death to Iran who you love because they took American hostages.
Israel is a shithole of a country full of a shitty people. Or maybe it's a fake video? You hate Jews. Ok lots of people do just like God said they would. Why is that old woman squatting on Israeli soil? Do you cry when Mexicans are deported out of America?
He just yells a lot because he can't make legitimate points.
Some religions are not worthy of being protected. For example the Muslim satanist religion. Not a real religion. Sodomy is not encouraged by the Israeli government. I'm sure Israel has bad people who do such things. They should be punished if the claim is actually true. There is no genocide, if there was genocide they wouldn't give warnings before bombings and there would be 100 times more dead people. That is just anti western propaganda. So it is in dispute because it is not true.
They will take back all the long God promised. They should not take one inch more. It is going to happen. I know that because the Bible is true. People can cry about it but it will happen. Watch and see.
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#12. To: watchman (#11)
You hold the cloaks of those who did this...
#13. To: The_Rock (#12)
#14. To: Dakmar (#13)
#15. To: The_Rock (#14)
That is 70 years old.
#16. To: The_Rock (#14)
At least I took the time to respond. Sounds like it might be true from my 3 min I looked at it.
#17. To: The_Rock (#12)
You are a propagandist for Hamas
#18. To: watchman (#17)
Go back to your dead forum, child killer.
#19. To: Pinguinite (#0)
#20. To: The_Rock (#18)
#21. To: watchman (#20)
Ben Shapiro tried to roll out this image on Twitter.
#22. To: watchman (#20)
#23. To: watchman (#20)
#24. To: Dakmar (#13)
The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation,
#25. To: Pinguinite (#0)
#26. To: The_Rock (#23)
So by your own standards that you set, you are a baby killer.
#27. To: The_Rock (#22)
Video-Israel falsely accused of sharing fake images of Hamas atrocities using AI
#28. To: watchman (#26)
#29. To: watchman (#27)
Wow...
#30. To: The_Rock (#29)
Hamas would never harm anyone. They are a peace group.
Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to ...
The Intercept https://theintercept.com › hamas-israel-palestine-conflict Feb 19, 2018 — Hamas wants to destroy Israel, right? But as Mehdi Hasan shows in a new video on blowback, Israeli officials admit they helped start the group.
Israel's historical role in the rise of Hamas
The Japan Times https://www.japantimes.co.jp › israel-failed-policy Nov 21, 2023 — Hamas, a spin-off of the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, was formally established with Israel's support soon after the first ...
#31. To: The_Rock (#30)
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Need I post more, Hamas helper?
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it's blown ...
The Times of Israel https://www.timesofisrael.com › for- years-netanyahu-pr... Oct 8, 2023 — For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank ...
EU's Borrell says Israel financed creation of Gaza rulers ...
Reuters https://www.reuters.com › world › europe › eus- borrell... Jan 19, 2024 — EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said on Friday that Israel had financed the creation of Palestinian militant group Hamas, ...
Did Israel create Hamas?
Middle East Monitor https://www.middleeastmonitor.com › 20231115-did-is... Nov 15, 2023 — Claims by the Israelis that they helped Hamas to grow, to divide the Palestinian national movement is not proof that Hamas was created by Israel ...
How Israel helped create Hamas - The Washington Post
Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com › blogs › 2014/07/30
Documents expose Israeli conspiracy to facilitate October 7 ...
World Socialist Web Site https://www.wsws.org › articles › 2023/12/02 › klox-d02 Dec 2, 2023 — Israeli officials, knowing full well how and where Hamas would strike, made a deliberate decision to stand down in order to facilitate the ... If you need more let me know...it's well documented.
#32. To: The_Rock (#31)
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Documents expose Israeli conspiracy to facilitate October 7 ...
Israeli Army's Failure Revealed in Be'eri Oct. 7 Probe Is ...
Haaretz https://www.haaretz.com › ty-article › .premium › israel... Jul 11, 2024 — The investigation into the battle at Kibbutz Be'eri, which the Israel Defense Forces presented on Thursday to the members of the kibbutz and ...
What did Israel know about Hamas' October 7 attack?
CNN https://www.cnn.com › israel-hamas-gaza- intelligence-intl Dec 1, 2023 — Hamas' surprise attack on October 7 left Israel flat- footed, sparking a angry round of consternation that is still rippling through the ...
More details unveiled of IDF intel on Oct. 7 plans, consults ...
The Times of Israel https://www.timesofisrael.com › more-details-unveiled-... Dec 5, 2023 — The top commanders of the Israel Defense Forces were aware, in the hours, days and months that preceded the Hamas-led devastating October 7 ...
#33. To: The_Rock (#6)
Shitsrael is a terr0rist entity! pic.twitter.com/u8Sg0YAZIz— Rania (@umyaznemo) October 25, 2024
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#35. To: The_Rock (#19)
You posted several pictures and you said this is Israel. And you hate Israel because of those photos.
Did you fact check any of the photos you posted? and if so how many? and are any of the images you posted fake or AI generated?
On the same day the LORD #God made a #covenant with #Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of #Egypt to the great river, the River #Euphrates—" [#Torah: Genesis 15:18] pic.twitter.com/Qbt5WsLvU6— Prince Handley, PhD (@PROPHECYandNEWS) October 19, 2024
Genocidal Israeli on Sky News pic.twitter.com/kHNrYDF4ew— Stevie McGlinchey (@steviemcglinchy) October 22, 2024
#36. To: watchman (#31)
Israel creates boogey men to justify their murder and land theft.
#37. To: watchman (#32)
True or false: Israel used Hamas to barbeque 40 babies?
28 Apache helicopters used all their ammunition and had to be reloaded
Mainstream media is finally catching up to this mass Hannibal Directive
This is what really happened on Oct 7: pic.twitter.com/pDcDUJKgVI— Khalissee (@Kahlissee) October 9, 2024
#38. To: Pinguinite (#37)
Israeli forces killed Israeli citizens on October 7
28 Apache helicopters used all their ammunition and had to be reloaded
#39. To: The_Rock (#29)
#40. To: watchman (#38)
This would have caused a massive civil war.
#41. To: All (#40)
#42. To: Pinguinite (#40)
beheaded babies
#43. To: The_Rock (#1)
Israel is defending themselves.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination 
#44. To: Pinguinite (#39)
Israel is a shithole of a country full of a shitty people.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#45. To: All (#44)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#46. To: FormerLurker (#44)
Pretty much.
#47. To: Pinguinite (#39)
I suppose we're to believe that this is how God fulfills his promise of the promised land to his "Chosen People" (TM), contradicting everything Christianity teaches.
#48. To: Pinguinite (#33)
This guy says it all very well.
#49. To: Pinguinite (#35)
I hate Israel because of what it has done and what it has promoted, including religious based supremacism reaching the point where torturing sodomy and genocide is actively condoned and promoted. This is not in dispute.
#50. To: Pinguinite (#35)
Israel's ambitions will not end with Gaza and the West Bank.
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