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Title: House, Senate May Agree on Employer Sanctions, Verification
Source: Workplace Management
URL Source: http://www.workforce.com/section/03/feature/24/39/64/index.html
Published: Jun 13, 2006
Author: By Mark Schoeff Jr.
Post Date: 2006-06-13 23:03:36 by Zipporah
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House, Senate May Agree on Employer Sanctions, Verification

Washington report: Increase in guest workers questionable as immigration negotiations begin, long conference committee fight likely.

By Mark Schoeff Jr.

When the controversy surrounding the proposed immigration reform legislation finally cools, provisions mandating employer verification of employee status and imposing harsh fines for hiring illegal workers are likely to be included in any bill that emerges from House-Senate negotiations.

The House legislation, backed in large part by conservatives, focuses only on border security and workplace enforcement. The Senate bill is comprehensive, containing enforcement measures and a guest worker program and providing a path toward permanent residency for millions of illegal immigrants.

In order to placate restive conservatives who fear voter backlash against what they call "amnesty" for undocumented workers, the Senate can begin negotiations by highlighting the area where both sides largely agree—workplace enforcement.

Under the House bill, all employers must use a pilot electronic verification system for new hires within two years of the enactment of immigration legislation. The system would check applicants against Social Security records. Within six years, they would have to check all of their employees.

The Senate bill would make every employer submit new-hire data to the verification system within 18 months of the Department of Labor receiving funds, an estimated $400 million, to implement the system.

Both bills also would substantially increase fines for hiring illegal workers. Under the House bill, employers would have to pay as much as $40,000 per unauthorized worker, while the Senate sets the top fine at $20,000 per violation.

Even before the verification system is in place, companies may have to start changing their hiring practices. Charles Kuck, vice president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, says that tougher work site enforcement would begin immediately, with a significant increase in federal review of I-9 forms.

"The vast majority of employers have not done I-9 audits, and they don’t fill out the I-9 correctly. Employers want to obey the law, but the law is so hard to obey," says Kuck, who is managing partner of Kuck Casablanca, an immigration law firm in Atlanta. "No matter what passes or doesn’t pass, there’s definitely going to be an increase in work site enforcement. It’s not just the construction or service industries. It will go through all parts of the economy."

So far, about 5,000 employers are participating in the pilot verification program. But Kuck says there is a 15 percent to 20 percent error rate in the Social Security database, which leads to delays in hiring. The system also tends to crash.

With these problems cropping up in the pilot system, experts wonder whether it can be scaled up to accommodate substantially more activity.

"I do not believe the technology exists right now to force the pilot program onto a majority of employers," says Bonnie Gibson, director of compliance at Littler Global, a law firm specializing in international migration and employment issues.

Beyond logistical concerns, cost questions loom. Rather than $400 million, some studies estimate the system might cost $11 billion or more.

"It’s going to be really expensive," Gibson says. "The money is going to come from employers. There is going to be a per-head charge for this verification and it will be left to the regulatory process (to assess charges) because Congress is not going to take that on."

House conservatives place a strong emphasis on employer verification and sanctions, calling those steps the best way to shut off the "magnet"--jobs--that has drawn an estimated 11 million undocumented people to the United States.

"If we have a workable and effective employer sanctions program, then I think a lot of the illegal immigrants would simply go back home because they would no longer be able to work in this country legally," House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisconsin, said on NBC’s "Meet the Press" on May 28.

A verification and sanctions framework likely will be necessary before the House would consider Senate provisions that would allow 200,000 new low-skilled "essential" workers into the United States each year and would increase by 115,000 the annual H-1B visa cap for high-tech international talent. The House bill does not contain similar policies.

"Any guest worker program is going to be a gigantic inducement for undocumented workers unless you’ve got the enforcement in place first," says Roy Beck, president of NumbersUSA, a nonpartisan immigration reduction organization.

Although the House and Senate are in each other’s ballpark when it comes to workplace enforcement, the real fireworks will likely explode over the three-tier program in the Senate bill that puts undocumented workers on a path toward permanent residency.

People who have been in the U.S. for five years or more could stay; those who have been in the country two to five years would have go to a point of entry at the border and apply for a guest worker permit. Illegal immigrants who have lived in the U.S. less than two years would have to leave.

House conservatives derisively label such a program "amnesty." They warn that voters will make the GOP pay at the polls in November if such a policy becomes law. Business groups support guest worker provisions and permanent residency for most undocumented workers, arguing they are vital to maintaining U.S. economic growth.

"If this debate comes down to amnesty versus border security, the only thing we’re going to produce before the election is an argument," says Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana.

Immigration reform in 1986 was an example of blanket amnesty, while the current Senate version is something less than that, according to one expert. But the problem with the bill 20 years ago didn’t revolve around amnesty.

"The failure has been not to address the open borders since 1986," says Gregory Wald, an immigration attorney at Squire, Sanders & Dempsey in San Francisco.

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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)

LOL.

Like this is going to work, when all the other gov't computer projects -- the FBI's "Virtual Case File," the IRS's "Business System Modernization," and the FAA's "Standard Terminal Automation Replacement System" -- are all failures.

Government computer blunders are common and expensive, The Associated Press, 1/29/05


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2006-06-14   10:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Zipporah, robin, lodwick, Red Jones, Itisalmostoolate, christine, Jethro Tull, noone222, All (#0)

In order to placate restive conservatives who fear voter backlash against what they call "amnesty" for undocumented workers, the Senate can begin negotiations by highlighting the area where both sides largely agree—workplace enforcement.

Under the House bill, all employers must use a pilot electronic verification system for new hires within two years of the enactment of immigration legislation. The system would check applicants against Social Security records. Within six years, they would have to check **** all of their employees.

Beyond logistical concerns, cost questions loom. Rather than $400 million, some studies estimate the system might cost $11 billion or more.

"It’s going to be really expensive," Gibson says. "The money is going to come from employers. There is going to be a per-head charge for this verification and it will be left to the regulatory process (to assess charges) because Congress is not going to take that on."

A verification and sanctions framework likely will be necessary before the House would consider Senate provisions that would allow 200,000 new low-skilled "essential" workers into the United States each year and would increase by 115,000 the annual H-1B visa cap for high-tech international talent.

Think employers are going to spend $11 billion to VERIFY? Hell, no. They are going to be screaming for a CHEAP SOLUTION!

Here comes the CHIP and 666:

http://www.hisholyc hurch.net/news/article/issue9w.htm

Problem [TRAITORSrU.S. allow the invasion]

Reaction [Americans say ENOUGH!]

Solution ["We can't stop 'em, so we'll make 'em legal and VERIFY ALL Americans, whether their forefathers came over on the Godspeed or whatever. Because verification by any other means will create an unfunded burden on the employer, we'll force a CHIP be inserted in ALL the cattle [including all us "citizens", allowing a quick swipe and a quick search of the international database. Non-citizens and all who will not accept the chip will be ejected or culled.]

HEGELIAN DIALECT

http://www.wea lth4freedom.com/truth/Hegelian_Dialectic.htm

14th Amendment "citizen" [slave] vs. American "non-citizen"

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/law/citizenship-status.htm

THIRTY-SEVENTH CONGRESS. Sess. I. Ca. 60, 61. 1861.

Chap. LX.--An Act to confiscate Property used for lnsurrectionary Purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That if, during the present or any future insurrection against the Government of the United States, after the President of the United States shall have declared, by proclamation, THAT THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES ARE OPPOSED, and THE EXECUTION THEREOF OBSTRUCTED, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the power vested in the marshals by law, any person or persons, his, her, or their agent, attorney, or employee, shall purchase or acquire, sell or give, any property of whatsoever kind or description, with intent to use or employ the same, or suffer the same to be used or employed, in aiding, abetting, or promoting such insurrection or RESISTANCE TO THE LAWS, or any person or persons engaged therein; or if any person or persons, being the owner or owners of any such property, shall knowingly use or employ, or consent to the use or employment of the same as aforesaid, ALL SUCH PROPERTY IS HEREBY DECLARED TO BE LAWFUL SUBJECT OF PRIZE AND CAPTURE WHEREVER FOUND; AND IT SHALL BE THE DUTY OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO CAUSE THE SAME TO BE SEIZED, CONFISCATED, AND CONDEMNED.

Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That such PRIZES AND CAPTURE shall be condemned in the DISTRICT OR CIRCUIT COURT OF THE UNITED STATES having jurisdiction of the amount, or IN ADMIRALTY IN ANY DISTRICT IN WHICH THE SAME MAY BE SEIZED, or into which they may be taken and proceedings FIRST INSTITUTED.

Sec. 3..And be it further enacted, That the Attorney-General, or any district attorney of the United States in which said property may at the time be, may institute the proceedings of condemnation, and in such case they shall be wholly for the benefit of the United States; or any person may file an information with such attorney, in which case the proceedings shall be for the use of such informer and the United States in equal parts. [The Brown Shirts will be falling all over themselves.]

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That whenever hereafter, during the present insurrection against the Government of the United States, any person claimed to be held to labor or service under the law of any State, shall be required or permitted by the person to whom such labor or service is claimed to be due, or by the lawful agent of such person, to take up arms against the United States, or shall be required or permitted by the person to whom such labor or service is claimed to be due, or his lawful agent, to work or to be employed in or upon any fort, navy yard, dock, armory, ship, entrenchment, or in any military or naval service whatsoever, against the Government and lawful authority of' the United States, then, and in every such case, the person to whom such labor or service is claimed to be due shall forfeit his claim to such labor, any law of the State or of the United States to the contrary notwithstanding. And whenever thereafter the person claiming such labor or service shall seek to enforce his claim, it shall be a full and sufficient answer to such claim that the person whose service or labor is claimed had been employed in hostile service against the Government of the United States, contrary to the provisions of this act. Approved, August 6, 1861.

The words, "THAT THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES ARE OPPOSED, and THE EXECUTION THEREOF OBSTRUCTED," are self evident that if you oppose the IRC [or ANY "LAWS" of CorpUSA, such as the antiChrist "NOAHIDE LAWS"] then you come under this war powers' statute and as an enemy, have no rights. These are facts that anyone cannot dispute as the law is clear on this as are the words, "RESISTANCE TO THE LAWS."

They cannot dispute the fact that under War Powers the President is commander-in- chief and is one of the functions under the Constitution that the President can enforce. He does so under the flag showing the jurisdiction of the commander-in-chief, that being the gold fringe on the flag. This is clear in the words of the Statute, "ALL SUCH PROPERTY IS HEREBY DECLARED TO BE LAWFUL SUBJECT OF PRIZE AND CAPTURE WHEREVER FOUND; AND IT SHALL BE THE DUTY OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO CAUSE THE SAME TO BE SEIZED, CONFISCATED, AND CONDEMNED." ...."

"....Right here it is evident that the States, created the same way the United States was, by the aristocrats, would consider themselves belligerents against the common man on the street who had no say in the drafting and ratifying of any of the constitutions of any of the States. The common man had no money to speak of nor any large amount of real property to be able to become a member of the contract called the State. In all the States you had to have at least 500 pounds sterling or a land mass equivalent to that amount before becoming an elector or even thinking of running for office. This is but another small proof that you and me, the common man of that era, was considered as nothing. Just like we look at street bums of today, they looked at the common man. No dear people, we were never considered part of their posterity and never drafted nor ratified any constitution. The statement the constitution was "divinely inspired" is so far from the truth that it should be stated that it was the "works of the devil." ...."

The Question is WHY?

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/why.htm

Rev. 20:7-10; Ezekiel 38-39; Micah 4; Psalm 2. Ezekiel 17:1-10/Matthew 15:13

http://www.noahide.com/xmas.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-16   12:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2)

http://www.cephas- http://library.com/nwo/nwo_noachide_judge_and_courts_will_replace_ours.html

Merry Christmas and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

http://www.public- action.com/christmas.html

Exposing the Zionist Lubavitchers (Pharisees) Who Run the White House/Congress

author: Alexander James

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover

This article unravels some of the mysteries behind these world rulers....

http://portland.ind ymedia.org/en/2003/06/267122.shtml

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-16   12:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)

"We can't stop 'em, so we'll make 'em legal and VERIFY ALL Americans, whether their forefathers came over on the Godspeed or whatever. Because verification by any other means will create an unfunded burden on the employer, we'll force a CHIP be inserted in ALL the cattle

Exactly right.

It's the same for trade; you will have either a nationalist trade policy, or a massive welfare state. Pick your poison.

Citizens of a real, organic nation do not need ID cards to recognize each other. And they do not exchange domestic liberty for cheap goods from chinamart.

Who fares the best in a system of high and labyrinthine transaction costs?


We are the CITs so piteous; the kids are brats the food is hideous; we're gonna smoke and drink and fool around; we are the Northstar CITs!

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-16   12:22:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#3)

corrected links [I don't know why they came out as they did. Sorry.]:

Noachide Judges and Courts Will Replace Ours

http://www.cephas- library.com/nwo/nwo_noachide_judge_and_courts_will_replace_ours.html

Merry Christmas and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

http://www.public- action.com/christmas.html

Exposing the Zionist Lubavitchers in the White House and Congress.

http://portland.ind ymedia.org/en/2003/06/267122.shtml

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-16   12:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tauzero (#4)

Citizens of a real, organic nation do not need ID cards to recognize each other. And they do not exchange domestic liberty for cheap goods from chinamart.

Who fares the best in a system of high and labyrinthine transaction costs?

"THEM", as a means to push the herd into a corner.

A common use for RFID tags is in livestock and animal control. A device resembling a large hypodermic needle inserts a tag encased in a minuscule glass capsule (about 4x30 mm) under the skin of an animal's neck. The tag holds the animal's identity and perhaps additional information, such as vaccination records. To identify the animal and to store or retrieve information about it, someone need only "scan" the animal with a handheld device within a distance of about 3 ft.

From Jethro Tull's post #17 BUSH Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway. http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=28553

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-16   12:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)

the elite is getting what it wants with expanding legal immigration to 4-5 million per year from its current 1.5 million legal immigrants I think most. so they march forward two steps and march backwards one step with the enforcement procedures for employers. later, when the immigrant population is voting the 1 step back will be nullified and once again illegal immigration will be permitted by policy.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-06-17   0:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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