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Title: Tucker Carlson: Guest says Big Bang is Nonsense
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Published: Jan 27, 2025
Author: Horse
Post Date: 2025-01-27 04:01:25 by Horse
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#1. To: Horse (#0)
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The Big Bang Theory is the rejection of God. So Tucker's guest is correct...the Big Bang Theory is nonsense...foolishness. Even more so for the Theory of Evolution.
The Big Bang Theory is the rejection of God. 1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. --Psalm 14:1-3 So Tucker's guest is correct...the Big Bang Theory is nonsense...foolishness. Even more so for the Theory of Evolution. Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. / For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. / The last enemy to be destroyed is death. ... Colossians 1:16-18 For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. / He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. / And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. biblehub.com/philippians/2-10.htm
I liken the big bang theory and the theory of evolution to someone looking at a Michelangelo sculpture and saying, "Wow, a chunk of marble exploded and created a statue"
You have no room to accept the possibility that there could have been divine power and design behind either the BB or Evolution?
Some can't think beyond what they are told.
Not true. God says, "Prove all things"...which includes proving what the Bible says. Proving stuff requires a lot of thought.
Or proving that what the Bible says is not true? It's actually improper scientific method to start with the assumption that something is true, then proceed to search for evidence supporting that conclusion. Do that and I promise you you will succeed. "Seek and ye shall find" as the Bible quotes Jesus as saying and it is true, particularly when applied to human psychology. As I see it, if the Bible really IS the Word of God, then it will pass any and all tests put to it. We should, therefore, be completely fearless putting it through completely unbiased testing. We do NOT need to start with any foregone conclusion that it is completely perfect as a divine work and then seek to prove it. Does the Bible need a crutch? A head start? A cheat sheet? I say no. Give the Bible complete and unbiased tests. Fair tests, but unbiased tests.
As I see it, if the Bible really IS the Word of God, then it will pass any and all tests put to it. I am prepared to throw the Bible out in the yard if it is not true. I do not want to believe a lie...I want the truth.
I do not want to believe a lie...I want the truth. In that we are the same. But I do see flaws in the Bible. I do think it's generally a good book, at least the New Testament. The OT, however, to me has flaws that give it away as a product of man. I further see many elements that are characteristic of being a work of an ancient people that bear many of the same qualities of people in our current age. A people that seek relevance. They write about being blessed by the divine when things are well, and when things are not well, it's because they displeased God. Because having the power to displease a supreme creator is also a way of expressing the importance of oneself. I see writings that are designed to frighten and control the population just as our current gov does today with things like covid. Dr. Fauci would have been a High Priest back then, going into the temple and coming out telling everyone what God's will was. People would go and listen to what's on the 3000 BC version of the internet, but unlike today, they still believed everything they were told. Well, people today still do that, don't they? Controlling the masses through fear was as useful then as it is today. Fear of God's wrath or of dropping dead from a virus. Obey God (us) and you will be blessed. Mass media keeping people from rioting and revolting. All useful stuff. Nothing new under the sun. That is what I see. And today people ascribe divine authority behind ancient writings really only because they are ancient. True, the Israelites did a meticulous job of replicating their writings, unlike the Greeks which had altered versions of their god's endeavors just as Marvel comics does today with gods like the Hulk and Spiderman. And for the same reason. Entertaining the masses. But Israelites considered their writings to be divine which is the reason they took so much care in replicating their scrolls. But that doesn't mean they were divine. And as I said, I see flaws in them that to me betray it's authenticity as God's perfect message.
I see problem passages in the Bible, but not flaws/error.
What's an example of a "problem passage"? Just so I understand the difference.
I was just thumbing through an old theology textbook, looking at chapters of problem passages. We don't shy away from them at all. Will try to round up some examples after chores on the am Edit: Perhaps you could provide an example of a flaw you found.
Sure. Does God get angry? You posted a bunch of attributes about God a little bit ago. God knows everything and God is all powerful. Can you explain to me how it is possible for God to ever become angry or even jealous? Say you go to work one day and you see a co-worker who is bubbling with rage. The Christian response to that would be to immediately start praying for this person. And I agree that's reasonable. But what is anger really? I say anger comes from insecurity. Something bad happens and it's beyond our control. So when is God ever out of control? When does God ever suffer from insecurity? When has he ever surprised about something bad happening? And what could ever possibly happen that God couldn't recover from? What could ever happen that God would need to recover from? I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above. It just doesn't fit. What does fit is that leaders would tell people that God is angry, jealous and wrathful. And they would do it as a means of controlling people. I don't think it's possible for God to be wrathful or jealous. These are human attributes that are painted on to God that are not real.
Yes. The Bible is filled with examples of God's anger. Never. Question not understood. His anger falls under the attribute of being just, requiring justice. And also love. Nope. The leaders didn't have to tell the people of God's anger...everyone felt it immediately and personally. God would flat out kill scores of people until they came back into line. But didn't God say we are made in His image? You have emotions because God has emotions.
Which I say is evidence the Bible is not the WoG. When one is angry, one recovers from that emotional state. Anger is a state of weakness. At least that is what I argue. I expect you would agree that any person who suffers from overwhelming anger needs prayer. That on it's face is an admission that it is a state of weakness. Being just does not require one be subject to anger. Or the leaders would point to an incident in which people died and claim it was because God was angry. I maintain anger stems from weakness. And God is not weak.
Does God have emotions?
How do you define emotions? Emotions that are a result of the human mind functioning, no, God does not. God is not human.
God is not human. Humans have emotions, capable of love, hate, caring, anger, jealousy, etc. Did God not create us...or did God give us something He does not have? I believe God is a Person, perfect, in every way. Capable of love, anger, jealousy...but never allowing those emotions to become sinful. You're saying God is not even capable of love?
But God killing some of his children out of anger or jealousy wouldn't be considered "sinful" right? But it would be for us?
I can't help but notice that you focus on "anger". Never mind that you believe a divine magic caused an explosion of creation, and this divine magic has left humanity to rot in useless existence. No, it's only God's anger that keeps you from acknowledging a Biblical God. Sure, you have many other issues...but it is the issue "anger" that concerns you most. Why "anger"?
You avoided my question. Anger is weakness. Bible says God has gotten angry. Repeatedly as you pointed out yourself. We surely agree that acting out of anger or jealousy to harm others is wrong. Now please give a rational theological explanation for why God can kill some of his kids out of anger and it's okay, but it's not for us. I don't think there is one. Any provided would be trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Does God hold us to a higher moral standard than he holds himself? It would seem so. So this is a flaw exposing the Bible as a work of man, not God. It paints us a picture of God that is clearly incorrect. Anger and jealousy are vices that we are called to grow out of. The NT is a good book overall and one reason is it clearly calls us to develop virtues and quash vices. Jealousy is a vice. I consider anger to be one also.
I don't think there is one. Any provided would be trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Does God hold us to a higher moral standard than he holds himself? It would seem so. So this is a flaw exposing the Bible as a work of man, not God. It paints us a picture of God that is clearly incorrect. Anger and jealousy are vices that we are called to grow out of. The NT is a good book overall and one reason is it clearly calls us to develop virtues and quash vices. Jealousy is a vice. I consider anger to be one also. If the creator of the Universe created us with free will. He gave us a choice of how to behave didn't he. I'm going to jump around a bit so forgive me. God wanted us to love him is the way I understand it. If he forced us to love him it wouldn't be love at all. So he gave us a choice of how to behave. If God is good I would think he would want us to be good. If some of us are evil and would harm others or his plan to redeem mankind. Why wouldn't that make him mad/angry/hurt. Do you think he should just look the other way and make it so the bad ones (we are all bad to a degree) could harm the good ones? Could harm them in a way that would lead them not to be saved? Here is part of a sermon that explains in part the point I am trying to get across. Please take 1 min and watch it and let me know what you think. I may take the time to find a longer version of what the pastor is saying here.
All of the above is correct. Because he's smarter than that. Your mistake is in thinking that actual events on earth are what's most important to God. It is not. What's important is how each of us responds to the various things we experience. We are on earth to grow, to embellish our virtues and quash our vices. To learn kindness, the Golden Rule (as per gospel), to patience with others. to turn the other cheek. To love our enemies. Those things make us stronger. Things that keep us weak is to wallow in anger, jealousy, selfishness, etc. Everything around us will perish eventually, including planet earth itself. We, however, will not. We are immortal. And things that happen to us on earth, good or bad, is no more real than what happens to us in dreams. And just as dream events become inconsequential when we awake, earthly events become inconsequential when we die and leave earth/human form, and for the same reason. None of it was real. What is/was real, are the lessons in how we handled ourselves. This is a very simply theology that doesn't require all the convoluted gymnastics of biblical theology. And if one asks if God had a choice of how the universe should be ordered, wouldn't he choose one that didn't end up with most of his kids burning in hell for all eternity? Just about everything in that 60 second snippet I completely agree with.
#243. To: Pinguinite (#240)
In Dreams? Sorry, I try not to be horrible, but can't stop myself sometimes. :)
Because he's smarter than that. What does smarter than that have to do with the statement? Because you are smarter you wouldn't be angry. I think you are substituting your judgement and the way you think things should be for Gods.
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1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
--Psalm 14:1-3
#8. To: watchman, Horse (#1)
Guest says Big Bang is Nonsense
#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)
#34. To: watchman (#10)
I liken the big bang theory and the theory of evolution to someone looking at a Michelangelo sculpture and saying, "Wow, a chunk of marble exploded and created a statue"
#37. To: Pinguinite (#34)
#40. To: FormerLurker (#37)
Some can't think beyond what they are told.
#59. To: watchman (#40)
God says, "Prove all things"...which includes proving what the Bible says.
#61. To: Pinguinite (#59)
Or proving that what the Bible says is not true?
#85. To: watchman (#61)
I am prepared to throw the Bible out in the yard if it is not true.
#94. To: Pinguinite (#85)
But I do see flaws in the Bible.
#109. To: watchman (#94)
I see problem passages in the Bible, but not flaws/error.
#112. To: Pinguinite (#109)
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#117. To: watchman (#112)
Perhaps you could provide an example of a flaw you found.
#124. To: Pinguinite (#117)
Does God get angry?
So when is God ever out of control? When does God ever suffer from insecurity? When has he ever surprised about something bad happening?
And what could ever possibly happen that God couldn't recover from? What could ever happen that God would need to recover from?
I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above.
What does fit is that leaders would tell people that God is angry, jealous and wrathful. And they would do it as a means of controlling people.
I don't think it's possible for God to be wrathful or jealous. These are human attributes that are painted on to God that are not real.
#158. To: watchman (#124)
Yes. The Bible is filled with examples of God's anger.
And what could ever possibly happen that God couldn't recover from? What could ever happen that God would need to recover from?
Question not understood.
I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above.
His anger falls under the attribute of being just, requiring justice. And also love.
Nope. The leaders didn't have to tell the people of God's anger...everyone felt it immediately and personally. God would flat out kill scores of people until they came back into line.
But didn't God say we are made in His image? You have emotions because God has emotions.
#162. To: Pinguinite (#158)
And God is not weak.
#164. To: watchman (#162)
Does God have emotions?
#165. To: Pinguinite (#164)
Does God have emotions? How do you define emotions? Emotions that are a result of the human mind functioning, no, God does not.
#188. To: watchman (#165)
I believe God is a Person, perfect, in every way. Capable of love, anger, jealousy...but never allowing those emotions to become sinful.
#189. To: Pinguinite (#188)
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anger
#190. To: watchman (#189)
Sure, you have many other issues...but it is the issue "anger" that concerns you most.
#220. To: Pinguinite (#190)
Now please give a rational theological explanation for why God can kill some of his kids out of anger and it's okay, but it's not for us.
#240. To: The_Rock (#220)
If the creator of the Universe created us with free will. He gave us a choice of how to behave didn't he. I'm going to jump around a bit so forgive me.
God wanted us to love him is the way I understand it. If he forced us to love him it wouldn't be love at all. So he gave us a choice of how to behave.
If God is good I would think he would want us to be good.
If some of us are evil and would harm others or his plan to redeem mankind. Why wouldn't that make him mad/angry/hurt.
Do you think he should just look the other way and make it so the bad ones (we are all bad to a degree) could harm the good ones? Could harm them in a way that would lead them not to be saved?
Here is part of a sermon that explains in part the point I am trying to get across. Please take 1 min and watch it and let me know what you think. I may take the time to find a longer version of what the pastor is saying here.
Replies to Comment # 240. Everything around us will perish eventually, including planet earth itself. We, however, will not. We are immortal. And things that happen to us on earth, good or bad, is no more real than what happens to us in dreams. And just as dream events become inconsequential when we awake, earthly events become inconsequential when we die and leave earth/human form, and for the same reason. None of it was real. What is/was real, are the lessons in how we handled ourselves.
#250. To: Pinguinite (#240)
If some of us are evil and would harm others or his plan to redeem mankind. Why wouldn't that make him mad/angry/hurt.
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