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Title: Tucker Carlson: Guest says Big Bang is Nonsense
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Published: Jan 27, 2025
Author: Horse
Post Date: 2025-01-27 04:01:25 by Horse
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#1. To: Horse (#0)
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The Big Bang Theory is the rejection of God. So Tucker's guest is correct...the Big Bang Theory is nonsense...foolishness. Even more so for the Theory of Evolution.
The Big Bang Theory is the rejection of God. 1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. --Psalm 14:1-3 So Tucker's guest is correct...the Big Bang Theory is nonsense...foolishness. Even more so for the Theory of Evolution. Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. / For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. / The last enemy to be destroyed is death. ... Colossians 1:16-18 For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. / He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. / And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. biblehub.com/philippians/2-10.htm
I liken the big bang theory and the theory of evolution to someone looking at a Michelangelo sculpture and saying, "Wow, a chunk of marble exploded and created a statue"
You have no room to accept the possibility that there could have been divine power and design behind either the BB or Evolution?
Some can't think beyond what they are told.
Not true. God says, "Prove all things"...which includes proving what the Bible says. Proving stuff requires a lot of thought.
Or proving that what the Bible says is not true? It's actually improper scientific method to start with the assumption that something is true, then proceed to search for evidence supporting that conclusion. Do that and I promise you you will succeed. "Seek and ye shall find" as the Bible quotes Jesus as saying and it is true, particularly when applied to human psychology. As I see it, if the Bible really IS the Word of God, then it will pass any and all tests put to it. We should, therefore, be completely fearless putting it through completely unbiased testing. We do NOT need to start with any foregone conclusion that it is completely perfect as a divine work and then seek to prove it. Does the Bible need a crutch? A head start? A cheat sheet? I say no. Give the Bible complete and unbiased tests. Fair tests, but unbiased tests.
As I see it, if the Bible really IS the Word of God, then it will pass any and all tests put to it. I am prepared to throw the Bible out in the yard if it is not true. I do not want to believe a lie...I want the truth.
I do not want to believe a lie...I want the truth. In that we are the same. But I do see flaws in the Bible. I do think it's generally a good book, at least the New Testament. The OT, however, to me has flaws that give it away as a product of man. I further see many elements that are characteristic of being a work of an ancient people that bear many of the same qualities of people in our current age. A people that seek relevance. They write about being blessed by the divine when things are well, and when things are not well, it's because they displeased God. Because having the power to displease a supreme creator is also a way of expressing the importance of oneself. I see writings that are designed to frighten and control the population just as our current gov does today with things like covid. Dr. Fauci would have been a High Priest back then, going into the temple and coming out telling everyone what God's will was. People would go and listen to what's on the 3000 BC version of the internet, but unlike today, they still believed everything they were told. Well, people today still do that, don't they? Controlling the masses through fear was as useful then as it is today. Fear of God's wrath or of dropping dead from a virus. Obey God (us) and you will be blessed. Mass media keeping people from rioting and revolting. All useful stuff. Nothing new under the sun. That is what I see. And today people ascribe divine authority behind ancient writings really only because they are ancient. True, the Israelites did a meticulous job of replicating their writings, unlike the Greeks which had altered versions of their god's endeavors just as Marvel comics does today with gods like the Hulk and Spiderman. And for the same reason. Entertaining the masses. But Israelites considered their writings to be divine which is the reason they took so much care in replicating their scrolls. But that doesn't mean they were divine. And as I said, I see flaws in them that to me betray it's authenticity as God's perfect message.
I see problem passages in the Bible, but not flaws/error.
What's an example of a "problem passage"? Just so I understand the difference.
I was just thumbing through an old theology textbook, looking at chapters of problem passages. We don't shy away from them at all. Will try to round up some examples after chores on the am Edit: Perhaps you could provide an example of a flaw you found.
Sure. Does God get angry? You posted a bunch of attributes about God a little bit ago. God knows everything and God is all powerful. Can you explain to me how it is possible for God to ever become angry or even jealous? Say you go to work one day and you see a co-worker who is bubbling with rage. The Christian response to that would be to immediately start praying for this person. And I agree that's reasonable. But what is anger really? I say anger comes from insecurity. Something bad happens and it's beyond our control. So when is God ever out of control? When does God ever suffer from insecurity? When has he ever surprised about something bad happening? And what could ever possibly happen that God couldn't recover from? What could ever happen that God would need to recover from? I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above. It just doesn't fit. What does fit is that leaders would tell people that God is angry, jealous and wrathful. And they would do it as a means of controlling people. I don't think it's possible for God to be wrathful or jealous. These are human attributes that are painted on to God that are not real.
Yes. The Bible is filled with examples of God's anger. Never. Question not understood. His anger falls under the attribute of being just, requiring justice. And also love. Nope. The leaders didn't have to tell the people of God's anger...everyone felt it immediately and personally. God would flat out kill scores of people until they came back into line. But didn't God say we are made in His image? You have emotions because God has emotions.
Which I say is evidence the Bible is not the WoG. When one is angry, one recovers from that emotional state. Anger is a state of weakness. At least that is what I argue. I expect you would agree that any person who suffers from overwhelming anger needs prayer. That on it's face is an admission that it is a state of weakness. Being just does not require one be subject to anger. Or the leaders would point to an incident in which people died and claim it was because God was angry. I maintain anger stems from weakness. And God is not weak.
Does God have emotions?
How do you define emotions? Emotions that are a result of the human mind functioning, no, God does not. God is not human.
God is not human. Humans have emotions, capable of love, hate, caring, anger, jealousy, etc. Did God not create us...or did God give us something He does not have? I believe God is a Person, perfect, in every way. Capable of love, anger, jealousy...but never allowing those emotions to become sinful. You're saying God is not even capable of love?
But God killing some of his children out of anger or jealousy wouldn't be considered "sinful" right? But it would be for us?
I can't help but notice that you focus on "anger". Never mind that you believe a divine magic caused an explosion of creation, and this divine magic has left humanity to rot in useless existence. No, it's only God's anger that keeps you from acknowledging a Biblical God. Sure, you have many other issues...but it is the issue "anger" that concerns you most. Why "anger"?
You avoided my question. Anger is weakness. Bible says God has gotten angry. Repeatedly as you pointed out yourself. We surely agree that acting out of anger or jealousy to harm others is wrong. Now please give a rational theological explanation for why God can kill some of his kids out of anger and it's okay, but it's not for us. I don't think there is one. Any provided would be trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Does God hold us to a higher moral standard than he holds himself? It would seem so. So this is a flaw exposing the Bible as a work of man, not God. It paints us a picture of God that is clearly incorrect. Anger and jealousy are vices that we are called to grow out of. The NT is a good book overall and one reason is it clearly calls us to develop virtues and quash vices. Jealousy is a vice. I consider anger to be one also.
I told you. I laid it out for you concerning Amalek. Apparently my reasoned response did not register with you. Anger is actually required of us. Be angry...but not to the point of sin...don't hold on to anger.
I didn't find it reasoned at all. You described justification in the form of "the end justifies the means". Kill them now -- men, women and children -- a mass slaughter of human beings, so that the world will be a better place in the future. No it is not. Your quoted passage doesn't even say that. In fact it says the opposite in instructing that we should rid ourselves of anger before going to bed. The clearest inference is that IF we get angry, don't act on it, and cure yourself of it before nightfall. It is not described as a virtue at all. But somehow, God still struggles with this.
These are your words...not mine! Explain: what were God's options regarding the Amalakites? When you see injustice...and you feel nothing...no sense of righteous anger wells up in you...you are a sociopath. Humans are designed to feel anger, especially when they see injustice. Righteous anger motivates human beings to change things that are wrong. But you say being angry is bad?
Yes, as I was describing your statement here: You stated that the world would be a better place if complete genocide had occurred in a point in time. The phrase "The ends justifies the means" describes accepting a lessor evil to justify avoiding a greater evil. Logically, it can make sense. Morally, it falls flat on its face. No, not necessarily. Not when you understand we are all immortal and neither God nor the universe revolves around planet Earth or the human population. Not that I claim to be immune to anger myself. I am not. But anger is no virtue at all. God does not get angry, and even if he did, he certainly wouldn't kill people while under it's influence. Anger is weakness. Human emotions are not spiritual emotions. And anger is a human emotion. Ancient Israelites personified God by painting him with human emotions. Many cultures, probably all, do this. It's a way of making them feel like God is like them. We all want our caretakers to understand how we feel. Absolutely.
In all that you have said, that God is angry, God is weak, etc...you are simply saying, "I reject God", that is, "I reject the God of the Bible". Dakmar has actually been the most honest and clear. He said "It's my choice, I have made it".
I never said God is angry or weak. YOU say he's angry. Yes, I reject that portion of the biblical portrayal of God as a God that can get angry or jealous. Absolutely I do. God is certainly real, and he's far, far, FAR better than what the bible depicts. Plainly put, the bible fails the test of being the divine Word of God. It is not. It is a work of man. It's flaws are present. It does have good elements in it but so do a great many other books by ordinary authors. Many people ascribe divinity to it but only because they were raised to do so, as if ancient people had any more wisdom about life than people today do, and were free of all the human flaws that we all see around us daily. Ancient people were the same as us. Wondering about their purpose & confused about their human form. As souls they correctly knew they were special in the universe, but their human minds couldn't figure out how that was possible, in no small way trying to figure out how animals were different from them. So stories and legends arose, relayed from parent to inquiring child, generation after generation, eventually "codified" on scrolls. Some items correct in spirit but wrong in mechanics. We should be open minded. That is particularly hard for our human minds that are so comfortable clinging to beliefs. Many Christian preachers say a problem with people is we do not have enough faith. I say the problem with people is we have far too much. We accept too much as true which is not true, particularly things we are taught as children. It's the reason why countries remain predominently of certain faiths generation after generation. If the human mind was given to rational thought, we would instead see various faiths spread homogeneously through all countries about evenly. But we don't. Most humans grow up believing what their parents taught them. Some firmly enough to strap bombs to themselves. Others enough to promote genocide of "subhuman" and "inferior" people. Yes, we are all conditioned to just accept what we were taught, taking the "wide road" as it were. People like me take the narrow path and are willing to ask the real question of "Is all I've been taught in my youth actually true?" I'll take satisfaction in that. And when my time comes to face God, I'll tell Him (actually He will already know) that I followed my conscience at least somewhat faithfully, and I did not lie about it even when people told me I would burn for all eternity if I did not somehow "change my mind" as though that were possible. As we all have. Good for him. Good for you. Good for me.
You rightly get that Muslims strap bombs to themselves and their children. You didn't mention Israel but it was a dig at Israel to pretend they commit genocide. When the statistics are now out and they inflicted less casualties on civilians of any war in recent memory. The genocide label that liberals try to put on Israel is just because they hate Jews. They think Jews are inferior and don't deserve a country of their own. Hitler didn't think they did and others think the same way.
#264. To: The_Rock (#263)
You rightly get that Muslims strap bombs to themselves and their children. You didn't mention Israel but it was a dig at Israel to pretend they commit genocide. When the statistics are now out and they inflicted less casualties on civilians of any war in recent memory. I did not identify either Muslims or Israelis/Jews in my statement. But yes, you inferred correctly on both. There is ample evidence that genocide is openly endorsed by a significant number of Israelis, and its fueled in large part by ethno-religious supremacism. The "God's Chosen People"(TM) thing. Rewarding one with a promise of large swaths of land for believing a religious faith is a great incentive.
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1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
--Psalm 14:1-3
#8. To: watchman, Horse (#1)
Guest says Big Bang is Nonsense
#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)
#34. To: watchman (#10)
I liken the big bang theory and the theory of evolution to someone looking at a Michelangelo sculpture and saying, "Wow, a chunk of marble exploded and created a statue"
#37. To: Pinguinite (#34)
#40. To: FormerLurker (#37)
Some can't think beyond what they are told.
#59. To: watchman (#40)
God says, "Prove all things"...which includes proving what the Bible says.
#61. To: Pinguinite (#59)
Or proving that what the Bible says is not true?
#85. To: watchman (#61)
I am prepared to throw the Bible out in the yard if it is not true.
#94. To: Pinguinite (#85)
But I do see flaws in the Bible.
#109. To: watchman (#94)
I see problem passages in the Bible, but not flaws/error.
#112. To: Pinguinite (#109)
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#117. To: watchman (#112)
Perhaps you could provide an example of a flaw you found.
#124. To: Pinguinite (#117)
Does God get angry?
So when is God ever out of control? When does God ever suffer from insecurity? When has he ever surprised about something bad happening?
And what could ever possibly happen that God couldn't recover from? What could ever happen that God would need to recover from?
I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above.
What does fit is that leaders would tell people that God is angry, jealous and wrathful. And they would do it as a means of controlling people.
I don't think it's possible for God to be wrathful or jealous. These are human attributes that are painted on to God that are not real.
#158. To: watchman (#124)
Yes. The Bible is filled with examples of God's anger.
And what could ever possibly happen that God couldn't recover from? What could ever happen that God would need to recover from?
Question not understood.
I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above.
His anger falls under the attribute of being just, requiring justice. And also love.
Nope. The leaders didn't have to tell the people of God's anger...everyone felt it immediately and personally. God would flat out kill scores of people until they came back into line.
But didn't God say we are made in His image? You have emotions because God has emotions.
#162. To: Pinguinite (#158)
And God is not weak.
#164. To: watchman (#162)
Does God have emotions?
#165. To: Pinguinite (#164)
Does God have emotions? How do you define emotions? Emotions that are a result of the human mind functioning, no, God does not.
#188. To: watchman (#165)
I believe God is a Person, perfect, in every way. Capable of love, anger, jealousy...but never allowing those emotions to become sinful.
#189. To: Pinguinite (#188)
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anger
#190. To: watchman (#189)
Sure, you have many other issues...but it is the issue "anger" that concerns you most.
#191. To: Pinguinite (#190)
Now please give a rational theological explanation for why God can kill some of his kids out of anger
but it's not for us.
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
#192. To: watchman (#191)
I told you. I laid it out for you concerning Amalek. Apparently my reasoned response did not register with you.
Anger is actually required of us.
#193. To: Pinguinite (#192)
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You described justification in the form of "the end justifies the means".
Anger is actually required of us. No it is not.
Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called 𝙨𝙤𝙘𝙞𝙤𝙥𝙖𝙩𝙝𝙮, is a mental health condition in which a person consistently 𝙨𝙝𝙤𝙬𝙨 𝙣𝙤 𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙧𝙙 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙧𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙬𝙧𝙤𝙣𝙜...
#226. To: watchman (#193)
You described justification in the form of "the end justifies the means".
These are your words...not mine!
God was perfectly right and just to command the destruction of Amalek...men women, children, livestock, the very memory of them.
Had Israel obeyed, the world would not be suffering under the Edomites as we are today.
When you see injustice...and you feel nothing...no sense of righteous anger wells up in you...you are a sociopath.
Humans are designed to feel anger, especially when they see injustice.
But you say being angry is bad?
#239. To: Pinguinite, Dakmar (#226)
neither God nor the universe revolves around planet Earth or the human population.
#245. To: watchman (#239)
In all that you have said, that God is angry, God is weak, etc...you are simply saying, "I reject God", that is, "I reject the God of the Bible".
He said "It's my choice, I have made it".
#263. To: Pinguinite (#245)
Most humans grow up believing what their parents taught them. Some firmly enough to strap bombs to themselves. Others enough to promote genocide of "subhuman" and "inferior" people.
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