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Published: Jan 27, 2025
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The Big Bang Theory is the rejection of God. So Tucker's guest is correct...the Big Bang Theory is nonsense...foolishness. Even more so for the Theory of Evolution.
The Big Bang Theory is the rejection of God. 1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. --Psalm 14:1-3 So Tucker's guest is correct...the Big Bang Theory is nonsense...foolishness. Even more so for the Theory of Evolution. Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. / For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. / The last enemy to be destroyed is death. ... Colossians 1:16-18 For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. / He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. / And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. biblehub.com/philippians/2-10.htm
I liken the big bang theory and the theory of evolution to someone looking at a Michelangelo sculpture and saying, "Wow, a chunk of marble exploded and created a statue"
You have no room to accept the possibility that there could have been divine power and design behind either the BB or Evolution?
Some can't think beyond what they are told.
Not true. God says, "Prove all things"...which includes proving what the Bible says. Proving stuff requires a lot of thought.
Or proving that what the Bible says is not true? It's actually improper scientific method to start with the assumption that something is true, then proceed to search for evidence supporting that conclusion. Do that and I promise you you will succeed. "Seek and ye shall find" as the Bible quotes Jesus as saying and it is true, particularly when applied to human psychology. As I see it, if the Bible really IS the Word of God, then it will pass any and all tests put to it. We should, therefore, be completely fearless putting it through completely unbiased testing. We do NOT need to start with any foregone conclusion that it is completely perfect as a divine work and then seek to prove it. Does the Bible need a crutch? A head start? A cheat sheet? I say no. Give the Bible complete and unbiased tests. Fair tests, but unbiased tests.
As I see it, if the Bible really IS the Word of God, then it will pass any and all tests put to it. I am prepared to throw the Bible out in the yard if it is not true. I do not want to believe a lie...I want the truth.
I do not want to believe a lie...I want the truth. In that we are the same. But I do see flaws in the Bible. I do think it's generally a good book, at least the New Testament. The OT, however, to me has flaws that give it away as a product of man. I further see many elements that are characteristic of being a work of an ancient people that bear many of the same qualities of people in our current age. A people that seek relevance. They write about being blessed by the divine when things are well, and when things are not well, it's because they displeased God. Because having the power to displease a supreme creator is also a way of expressing the importance of oneself. I see writings that are designed to frighten and control the population just as our current gov does today with things like covid. Dr. Fauci would have been a High Priest back then, going into the temple and coming out telling everyone what God's will was. People would go and listen to what's on the 3000 BC version of the internet, but unlike today, they still believed everything they were told. Well, people today still do that, don't they? Controlling the masses through fear was as useful then as it is today. Fear of God's wrath or of dropping dead from a virus. Obey God (us) and you will be blessed. Mass media keeping people from rioting and revolting. All useful stuff. Nothing new under the sun. That is what I see. And today people ascribe divine authority behind ancient writings really only because they are ancient. True, the Israelites did a meticulous job of replicating their writings, unlike the Greeks which had altered versions of their god's endeavors just as Marvel comics does today with gods like the Hulk and Spiderman. And for the same reason. Entertaining the masses. But Israelites considered their writings to be divine which is the reason they took so much care in replicating their scrolls. But that doesn't mean they were divine. And as I said, I see flaws in them that to me betray it's authenticity as God's perfect message.
I see problem passages in the Bible, but not flaws/error.
What's an example of a "problem passage"? Just so I understand the difference.
I was just thumbing through an old theology textbook, looking at chapters of problem passages. We don't shy away from them at all. Will try to round up some examples after chores on the am Edit: Perhaps you could provide an example of a flaw you found.
Sure. Does God get angry? You posted a bunch of attributes about God a little bit ago. God knows everything and God is all powerful. Can you explain to me how it is possible for God to ever become angry or even jealous? Say you go to work one day and you see a co-worker who is bubbling with rage. The Christian response to that would be to immediately start praying for this person. And I agree that's reasonable. But what is anger really? I say anger comes from insecurity. Something bad happens and it's beyond our control. So when is God ever out of control? When does God ever suffer from insecurity? When has he ever surprised about something bad happening? And what could ever possibly happen that God couldn't recover from? What could ever happen that God would need to recover from? I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above. It just doesn't fit. What does fit is that leaders would tell people that God is angry, jealous and wrathful. And they would do it as a means of controlling people. I don't think it's possible for God to be wrathful or jealous. These are human attributes that are painted on to God that are not real.
Yes. The Bible is filled with examples of God's anger. Never. Question not understood. His anger falls under the attribute of being just, requiring justice. And also love. Nope. The leaders didn't have to tell the people of God's anger...everyone felt it immediately and personally. God would flat out kill scores of people until they came back into line. But didn't God say we are made in His image? You have emotions because God has emotions.
Which I say is evidence the Bible is not the WoG. When one is angry, one recovers from that emotional state. Anger is a state of weakness. At least that is what I argue. I expect you would agree that any person who suffers from overwhelming anger needs prayer. That on it's face is an admission that it is a state of weakness. Being just does not require one be subject to anger. Or the leaders would point to an incident in which people died and claim it was because God was angry. I maintain anger stems from weakness. And God is not weak.
Does God have emotions?
How do you define emotions? Emotions that are a result of the human mind functioning, no, God does not. God is not human.
God is not human. Humans have emotions, capable of love, hate, caring, anger, jealousy, etc. Did God not create us...or did God give us something He does not have? I believe God is a Person, perfect, in every way. Capable of love, anger, jealousy...but never allowing those emotions to become sinful. You're saying God is not even capable of love?
But God killing some of his children out of anger or jealousy wouldn't be considered "sinful" right? But it would be for us?
I can't help but notice that you focus on "anger". Never mind that you believe a divine magic caused an explosion of creation, and this divine magic has left humanity to rot in useless existence. No, it's only God's anger that keeps you from acknowledging a Biblical God. Sure, you have many other issues...but it is the issue "anger" that concerns you most. Why "anger"?
You avoided my question. Anger is weakness. Bible says God has gotten angry. Repeatedly as you pointed out yourself. We surely agree that acting out of anger or jealousy to harm others is wrong. Now please give a rational theological explanation for why God can kill some of his kids out of anger and it's okay, but it's not for us. I don't think there is one. Any provided would be trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Does God hold us to a higher moral standard than he holds himself? It would seem so. So this is a flaw exposing the Bible as a work of man, not God. It paints us a picture of God that is clearly incorrect. Anger and jealousy are vices that we are called to grow out of. The NT is a good book overall and one reason is it clearly calls us to develop virtues and quash vices. Jealousy is a vice. I consider anger to be one also.
I told you. I laid it out for you concerning Amalek. Apparently my reasoned response did not register with you. Anger is actually required of us. Be angry...but not to the point of sin...don't hold on to anger.
I didn't find it reasoned at all. You described justification in the form of "the end justifies the means". Kill them now -- men, women and children -- a mass slaughter of human beings, so that the world will be a better place in the future. No it is not. Your quoted passage doesn't even say that. In fact it says the opposite in instructing that we should rid ourselves of anger before going to bed. The clearest inference is that IF we get angry, don't act on it, and cure yourself of it before nightfall. It is not described as a virtue at all. But somehow, God still struggles with this.
These are your words...not mine! Explain: what were God's options regarding the Amalakites? When you see injustice...and you feel nothing...no sense of righteous anger wells up in you...you are a sociopath. Humans are designed to feel anger, especially when they see injustice. Righteous anger motivates human beings to change things that are wrong. But you say being angry is bad?
Yes, as I was describing your statement here: You stated that the world would be a better place if complete genocide had occurred in a point in time. The phrase "The ends justifies the means" describes accepting a lessor evil to justify avoiding a greater evil. Logically, it can make sense. Morally, it falls flat on its face. No, not necessarily. Not when you understand we are all immortal and neither God nor the universe revolves around planet Earth or the human population. Not that I claim to be immune to anger myself. I am not. But anger is no virtue at all. God does not get angry, and even if he did, he certainly wouldn't kill people while under it's influence. Anger is weakness. Human emotions are not spiritual emotions. And anger is a human emotion. Ancient Israelites personified God by painting him with human emotions. Many cultures, probably all, do this. It's a way of making them feel like God is like them. We all want our caretakers to understand how we feel. Absolutely.
In all that you have said, that God is angry, God is weak, etc...you are simply saying, "I reject God", that is, "I reject the God of the Bible". Dakmar has actually been the most honest and clear. He said "It's my choice, I have made it".
I never said God is angry or weak. YOU say he's angry. Yes, I reject that portion of the biblical portrayal of God as a God that can get angry or jealous. Absolutely I do. God is certainly real, and he's far, far, FAR better than what the bible depicts. Plainly put, the bible fails the test of being the divine Word of God. It is not. It is a work of man. It's flaws are present. It does have good elements in it but so do a great many other books by ordinary authors. Many people ascribe divinity to it but only because they were raised to do so, as if ancient people had any more wisdom about life than people today do, and were free of all the human flaws that we all see around us daily. Ancient people were the same as us. Wondering about their purpose & confused about their human form. As souls they correctly knew they were special in the universe, but their human minds couldn't figure out how that was possible, in no small way trying to figure out how animals were different from them. So stories and legends arose, relayed from parent to inquiring child, generation after generation, eventually "codified" on scrolls. Some items correct in spirit but wrong in mechanics. We should be open minded. That is particularly hard for our human minds that are so comfortable clinging to beliefs. Many Christian preachers say a problem with people is we do not have enough faith. I say the problem with people is we have far too much. We accept too much as true which is not true, particularly things we are taught as children. It's the reason why countries remain predominently of certain faiths generation after generation. If the human mind was given to rational thought, we would instead see various faiths spread homogeneously through all countries about evenly. But we don't. Most humans grow up believing what their parents taught them. Some firmly enough to strap bombs to themselves. Others enough to promote genocide of "subhuman" and "inferior" people. Yes, we are all conditioned to just accept what we were taught, taking the "wide road" as it were. People like me take the narrow path and are willing to ask the real question of "Is all I've been taught in my youth actually true?" I'll take satisfaction in that. And when my time comes to face God, I'll tell Him (actually He will already know) that I followed my conscience at least somewhat faithfully, and I did not lie about it even when people told me I would burn for all eternity if I did not somehow "change my mind" as though that were possible. As we all have. Good for him. Good for you. Good for me.
You rightly get that Muslims strap bombs to themselves and their children. You didn't mention Israel but it was a dig at Israel to pretend they commit genocide. When the statistics are now out and they inflicted less casualties on civilians of any war in recent memory. The genocide label that liberals try to put on Israel is just because they hate Jews. They think Jews are inferior and don't deserve a country of their own. Hitler didn't think they did and others think the same way.
You rightly get that Muslims strap bombs to themselves and their children. You didn't mention Israel but it was a dig at Israel to pretend they commit genocide. When the statistics are now out and they inflicted less casualties on civilians of any war in recent memory. I did not identify either Muslims or Israelis/Jews in my statement. But yes, you inferred correctly on both. There is ample evidence that genocide is openly endorsed by a significant number of Israelis, and its fueled in large part by ethno-religious supremacism. The "God's Chosen People"(TM) thing. Rewarding one with a promise of large swaths of land for believing a religious faith is a great incentive.
You can't reason with someone who thinks if they die while trying to kill you, they go to heaven and receive 72 virgins. ;)
Which is why Israel shouldn't give them shit. They are in Israel and they can't behave themselves when in a foreign country. Israel should destroy all the mosques.
"The thief cometh not, but to steal, and to kill, and to destroy." https://www.biblehub.com/john/10-10.htm Antichrist Jews (counterfeit "Israel") aren't God's people, and God killed and/or threw the Jews out of that land (Parable of the Banquet biblehub.com/matthew/kjv/22.htm / biblehub.com/matthew/22-7.htm ) in 70 AD. Israel was called Palestine before the Jews invaded that land under the Balfour Declaration. Before God threw them out in 70 AD, He told them, "Let no fruit grow on thee FOREVER", and it is they who can't behave themselves when in a foreign country. Matthew 21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. biblehub.com/matthew/21-19.htm I don't understand why you keep propagating the Jewish fable of Jews as Israel and the "Chosen People". Christians are Israel: https://revealinglifetruth.org/uploads/6/9/0/5/69052901/the_church_is_israel_now.pdf Galatians 4 19My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, 20I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you. Hagar and Sarah 21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. www.biblehub.com/kjv/galatians/4.htm Romans 9:6-8 It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. / Nor because they are Abraham’s (SEED) are they all his children. On the contrary, “Through Isaac your (SEED) will be reckoned.” / So it is not the children of the flesh who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as (THE SEED). Genesis 21:8-21 So the child grew and was weaned, and Abraham held a great feast on the day Isaac was weaned. / But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking her son, / and she said to Abraham, “Expel the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac!” ... www.biblehub.com/galatians/4-25.htm This was the gospel as preached by the early church: Church Fathers - ST. JUSTIN MARTYR DIALOGUE WITH TRYPHO, A JEW "...CHAPTER CXXXV -- CHRIST IS KING OF ISRAEL, AND CHRISTIANS ARE THE ISRAELITIC RACE. "And when Scripture says, 'I am the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel, who have made known Israel your King,' will you not understand that truly Christ is the everlasting King? For you are aware that Jacob the son of Isaac was never a king. And therefore Scripture again, explaining to us, says what king is meant by Jacob and Israel: 'Jacob is my Servant, I will uphold Him; and Israel is mine Elect, my soul shall receive Him. I have given Him my Spirit; and He shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. He shall not cry, and His voice shall not be heard without. The bruised reed He shall not break, and the smoking flax He shall not quench, until He shall bring forth judgment to victory. He shall shine, and shall not be broken, until He set judgment on the earth. And in His name shall the Gentiles trust.' Then is it Jacob the patriarch in whom the Gentiles and yourselves shall trust? or is it not Christ? As, therefore, Christ is the Israel and the Jacob, even so we, who have been quarried out from the bowels of Christ, are the true Israelitic race. But let us attend rather to the very word: 'And I will bring forth,' He says, 'the seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah: and it shall inherit My holy mountain; and Mine Elect and My servants shall possess the inheritance, and shall dwell there; and there shall be folds of flocks in the thicket, and the valley of Achor shall be a resting-place of cattle for the people who have sought Me. But as for you, who forsake Me, and forget My holy mountain, and prepare a table for demons, and fill out drink for the demon, I shall give you to the sword. You shall all fall with a slaughter; for I called you, and you hearkened not, and did evil before me, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.' Such are the words of Scripture; understand, therefore, that the seed of Jacob now referred to is something else, and not, as may be supposed, spoken of your people. For it is not possible for the seed of Jacob to leave an entrance for the descendants of Jacob, or for [God] to have accepted the very same persons whom He had reproached with unfitness for the inheritance, and promise it to them again; but as there the prophet says, 'And now, O house of Jacob, come and let us walk in the light of the Lord; for He has sent away His people, the house of Jacob, because their land was full, as at the first, of soothsayers and divinations;' even so it is necessary for us here to observe that there are two seeds of Judah, and two races, as there are two houses of Jacob: the one begotten by blood and flesh, the other by faith and the Spirit..." CHAPTER CXXXVI -- THE JEWS, IN REJECTING CHRIST, REJECTED GOD WHO SENT HIM. "For you see how He now addresses the people, saying a little before: 'As the gape shah be found in the cluster, and they will say, Destroy it not, for a blessing is in it; so will I do for My servant's sake: for His sake I will not destroy them all.' And thereafter He adds: 'And I shall bring forth the seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah.' It is plain then that if He thus be angry with them, and threaten to leave very few of them, He promises to bring forth certain others, who shall dwell in His mountain. But these are the persons whom He said He would sow and beget. For you neither suffer Him when He calls you, nor hear Him when He speaks to you, but have done evil in the presence of the Lord. But the highest pitch of your wickedness lies in this, that you hate the Righteous One, and slew Him; and so treat those who have received from Him all that they are and have, and who are pious, righteous, and humane. Therefore 'woe unto their soul,' says' the Lord, 'for they have devised an evil counsel against themselves, saying, Let us take away the righteous, for he is distasteful to us.' For indeed you are not in the habit of sacrificing to Baal, as were your fathers, or of placing cakes in groves and on high places for the host of heaven: but you have not accepted God's Christ. For he who knows not Him, knows not the will of God; and he who insults and hates Him, insults and hates Him that sent Him. And whoever believes not in Him, believes not the declarations of the prophets, who preached and proclaimed Him to all. CHAPTER CXXXVII -- HE EXHORTS THE JEWS TO BE CONVERTED..." dn790003.ca.archive.org/0...int%20Justin%20Martyr.pdf Beware of Antichrists …22Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son. 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.
Christians aren't Israel. We are grafted in. If your posts weren't so long I would respond more. But you usually put to much so they never get read by most people. I think you are a decent person.
Oh gee...and I even forgot to mention something! (The kingdom of God was taken from them and given to the Christians. Christians are the chosen ones now.) I went to bed after I wrote that comment the other night, and thought, oh well, I'll add it in the morning, but got an ice storm and lost power yesterday morning until about 2 hours ago. The Parable of the Wicked Tenants …42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. This is from the Lord, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”… Berean Standard Bible We are grafted in. yes and the bad branches that did not follow Christ were broken off. But they can be grafted in again, IF they stop being so hardhearted and BELIEVE. https://biblehub.com/romans/11-23.htm. Until then, they are NOT Israel, which was ONE of the names of Christ BEFORE He gave it to Jacob, they are HEATHENS. biblehub.com/matthew/21-43.htm Go down the x-ref passages on the right and connect some dots. Including this: Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Replaced by this: 1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. / Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. ======================== “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. This is from the Lord, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”… oh yeah, and why does nobody ever talk about this one? I always wanted to know "who are the 'builders'?" I asked a sweet woman pastor one time, and she laughed and said, "I don't know." So I did a search in the concordance under builders. Turns out the builders were the ones that built Solomon's temple. God was REALLY looking down the road to Christ, since God does not dwell in temples made with hands. I'm too wordy...figure it out if you're interested: 1 Kings 5 ...5And, behold, I purpose to build an house unto the name of the LORD my God, as the LORD spake unto David my father, saying, Thy son [[[[JESUS CHRIST]]], whom I will set upon thy throne in thy room, he shall build an house unto my name... [[["Know ye not that ye are the Temple of God...?" https://www.biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/3-16.htm ... 17And the king commanded, and they brought great stones, costly stones, and hewed stones, to lay the foundation of the house. 18And Solomon's builders and Hiram's builders did hew them, and the stonesquarers: so they prepared timber and stones to build the house. https://biblehub.com/kjv/1_kings/5.htm (rejected the true Cornerstone, Jesus Christ). Study the link. It's pretty clear. Or should be. Fleshly temple vs. the Spiritual Temple.
Turns out the builders were the ones that built Solomon's temple. God was REALLY looking down the road to Christ, since God does not dwell in temples made with hands. ... and by the way, why did God not let DAVID build the temple? 1 Kings 5:3 1And Hiram king of Tyre sent his servants unto Solomon; for he had heard that they had anointed him king in the room of his father: for Hiram was ever a lover of David. 2And Solomon sent to Hiram, saying, 3Thou knowest how that David my father could not build an house unto the name of the LORD his God for the wars which were about him on every side, until the LORD put them under the soles of his feet. Cross References 1 Chronicles 22:8 but this word of the LORD came to me: ‘You have shed much blood and waged great wars. You are not to build a house for My Name because you have shed so much blood on the ground before Me. 1 Chronicles 28:3 but God said to me, ‘You are not to build a house for My Name, because you are a man of war who has shed blood.’ 2 Samuel 7:5-13 “Go and tell My servant David that this is what the LORD says: Are you the one to build for Me a house to dwell in? / For I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt until this day, but I have moved about with a tent as My dwelling. / In all My journeys with all the Israelites, have I ever asked any of the leaders I appointed to shepherd My people Israel, ‘Why haven’t you built Me a house of cedar?’ ... What's changed? Do you think God is pleased with Netanyahu with the help of AIPAC and the US Government committing ethnic cleansing over there now, so they can build their counterfeit temple and start sacrificing animals again and so they can rule over the whole world with their Babylonian Talmud? Do you know there are Palestinian CHRISTIANS in Gaza and the West Bank, in addition to all the other innocent Palestinians? Do you even care? Do you really think this makes God HAPPY? I fear you are going to stand in front of His throne one day and He is going to say, "I never knew you." Did you hear about the last time they tried to build their counterfeit temple? The Third Temple (Tisha Be'Av) - Will it be Rebuilt? (every stone was overturned in 363 A.D.!) "...The restoration of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem would, in Julian's opinion, defeat the Christian argument of replacement theology - that the Church was the true Israel, and that the Temple's destruction and the subsequent exile was the just punishment suffered by the Jewish people for the Crucifixion. ..." read what happened
Truly, I must agree with you. The genocide taking place in Gaza (Palestine) includes Christians among other completely innocent people that have been subjected to ruthless and unending torture for at least 77 years. I am hopeful that Trump is in the process of stopping the murder but have my doubts. How people calling themselves Christian can condone this merciless slaughter is beyond me. The so-called Jews and their supporters (U.S.) committing these acts of barbarism are absolutely maniacal. The scripture that contains the phrase "Depart from me ye workers of iniquity for I never knew you" is to my mind the most serious scripture in the entire Bible.
I have no words for the horror those poor people have, and are, going through. It is so distressing to me. It's barbarism at it's worst. I'm very sorry to say, I don't have much hope of Trump stopping this. I keep seeing things that would seem to negate that hope. I've watched him saying the Palestinians need to be removed and we need to rebuild. What he seems to be saying from everything I have seen: MIGA. Trump says he's in no rush to implement plan to take over the redevelopment of Gaza http://www.timesofisrael.com/tru...take-over-redevelop-gaza/ The man with the plan - DC professor sent Trump Gaza relocation development study in July. (just gaaaaag me) http://www.timesofisrael.com/the...evelopment-study-in-july/ The audacity, and callous disregard for the lives the PTB have destroyed takes the cake, and I'm sure they'll expect the U.S. taxpayers to fund their "real estate project" while Americans left homeless after geo-engineered weather catastrophes will probably also have their lands seized by eminent domain under FEMA and rebuilt according to the desires of the robbers and thieves in CORPUSA along with all their private cronies. They remind me very much of the tribe of Dan who burned Laish to the ground, and built their city on top of the ruins, and named it Dan after their father. They intend to do the same with us. (SEE DEATH OF THE PHOENIX - FINAL ACT FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Netanyahu has made statements to that effect, such as "when we're finished with the United States, she can dry up and blow away." They use us, abuse us, and throw us away, just like they do with our American fighting men and women. Been going on, and has been their plan since they put their contrived CONstitution in place...The Bill of Rights for the most part, was NOT in their plans, and praise God, slowed them down a bit. I am very sorry to say the CONstitution is their baby. Too much evidence in place to say otherwise.) I wrote that yesterday, and while a lot of shiite is swirling around my head, I sat down to read something and ran across more evidence (and somewhere you said something about not knowing everything, AND I SURE DO NOT EITHER...I AM LEARNING MORE EVERY SINGLE DAY)... "Tel Dan A nature reserve and the source of the Dan and Jordan rivers. An impressive archaeological site with unique remains of the Canaanite and Israelite cities and a Biblical High Place. Joshua 19 47: “…the children of Dan went up to fight against Leshem, and took it… and called Leshem, Dan, after the name of Dan their father”.... http://www.biblewalks.com/TellDan Context Judges 18…28There was no one to deliver them, because the city was far from Sidon and had no alliance with anyone; it was in a valley near Beth-rehob. And the Danites rebuilt the city and lived there. 29They named it Dan, after their forefather Dan, who was born to Israel— though the city was formerly named Laish. 30The Danites set up idols for themselves, and Jonathan son of Gershom, the son of Moses, and his sons were priests for the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land.… SOME x-references: 1 Kings 12:29-30 2 Kings 10:29 Amos 8:14 Revelation 7:4-8 (note: no Dan listed as sealed; they caused the Southern Kingdom to fall as well, "Sins of Samaria...". HOWEVER, and this is a big however, "Not comprehending the righteousness of God, they go about creating their own righteousness". Christ is our righteousness...to all who BELIEVE. I hope they come to an understanding of the gospel very soon before any more innocent people die, and before they lead us into WWIII. ) Genesis 49:16-17 more cross-references here: (or "Dan shall JUDGE his people" as in JUDGMENT, maybe like as in Isaiah 10:5 etc., verses 1-27, where the "Assyrian" has been described as a symbol of God's enemies, that He uses to chastise His people and others. BTW, the ancient Assyrian king used a six-pointed star as the insignia on his seal ring. I posted the website that pointed that out once, and down the memory hole went that website soon after, after warnings about how "dangerous" the site was. It was not. The page about the signet ring was merely historical in context...that was all they were saying. The whole website was simply history about Assyria...I apparently chose to post something the serpents reacted to like a third rail.) (some of Dan's symbols are the serpent - "Don't tread on me" - the horse - I think of the White Horse of the C.I.A., and the EAGLE - need I comment..."bite" in the context of Genesis 49:17 can mean "oppress with usury". biblehub.com/genesis/49-17.htm ) I have read Dan's colors were red and white. I have read others as well, but I'll stick with red and white. I posted once that Winston Churchill said in a speech to The City of LonDON (DON = DAN? see here - it builds on factoids I've known a long time *** https://watch.pairsite.com/synagogue-of-satan-1.html" ). (BTW, The City of London, Lord Mayor's parade mascots are two straw giants known as "Gog and Magog"), that the people who were behind the Vikings are the same people that rule the world today, or something to that effect. Shortly thereafter, when I went to take better note, it had disappeared and I never saw it again. But look here, Viking ship, red and white striped sail; British East India/British Empire flag with red and white stripes, and the United States flag, red and white stripes, the United States being still a British colony. See the full story of how the Danites took over Laish, consulting with a heathen priest of the tribe of Levi and hiring him afterward, how they stole their cousin's idols like they would be a good thing to have, how they used their women and children as human shields/Trojan Horse to "come in peaceably" to Laish to destroy it, and so much treachery I don't have time to elaborate on: biblehub.com/kjv/judges/18.htm Except I do want to mention this: "Judges 18... 4And he said unto them, Thus and thus dealeth Micah with me, and hath hired me, and I am his priest. 5And they said unto him, Ask counsel, we pray thee, of God, that we may know whether our way which we go shall be prosperous. 6And the priest said unto them, Go in peace: before the LORD is your way wherein ye go... This is soooooo reminiscent of this: The Literal Translation of “Annuit Coeptis” The Latin phrase “Annuit Coeptis” is very important in American symbols. It’s on the Great Seal of the United States. It says that divine providence helps the nation. ... To get its meaning, we look at each word: “Annuit” comes from “annuo,” which means “I approve” or “I favor.” “Coeptis” comes from “coeptum,” meaning “undertaking” or “beginning.” Together, these words say a lot about divine approval of American plans. Implications of the Translation The full Latin of “Annuit Coeptis” is “[He] favors [our] undertakings.” It means a higher power likes what the nation does. It shows that the nation has help from above.... ...The Role of “Annuit Coeptis” in the Seal “Annuit Coeptis” is a key part of the seal. It means “He favors our beginnings.” It shows the belief in God’s help for America."..." From a (Judeo-) MASONIC site: explorefreemasonry.com/annuit-coeptis/ I don't believe their "God" is our God; I believe their "god" is Lucifer/Satan/the Devil. more symbols on the Great Seal, according to the above masonic site: "Olive Branch = Peace on Eagle’s right talon Arrows = Readiness for war on Eagle’s left talon" See Deuteronomy 20:10-16. same way they treat the Palestinians, whom they call the Amalekites. They call us goy that as well, along with "Edom/Esau" and various and sundry other names. As I have said before, I believe there are two nations struggling in the womb of America: the nation founded with a cross and a charter and declaration to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ,.... and the kingdom of Anti-Christ. : First Charter of Virginia, April 10 1606 "...We, greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God, and may in time bring the Infidels and Savages, living in those parts, to human Civility, and to a settled and quiet Government: DO, by these our Letters Patents, graciously accept of, and agree to, their humble and well-intended Desires; ..." https://avalon.law.yale.edu/17th_century/va01.asp (Micah 4:1-2/Psalm 2:6, etc.) The enduring legacy of the First Landing (With a wooden cross and prayer dedicating this nation to Jesus Christ and the gospel): "...Each morning and evening, Rev. Hunt lead his people in the following prayer: Almighty God, … we beseech Thee to bless us and this plantation which we and our nation have begun in Thy fear and for Thy glory … and seeing, Lord, the highest end of our plantation here is to set up the standard and display the banner of Jesus Christ, even here where Satan's throne is, Lord, let our labour be blessed in labouring for the conversion of the heathen. … Lord, sanctify our spirits and give us holy hearts, that so we may be Thy instruments in this most glorious work."... https://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/ ...which might be explained by THIS: “America” Means The Land Of Lucifer!!! (that SERPENT again) https://www.soulask.com/america-the-land-of-lucifer-the-real-story-behind-the-name/ There's SO much more I want to say. I will if I have time. Still haven't gone back to study yours and watchman's other replies to me. We are fighting the devil up close and personal on my own turf, and it takes up a lot of my time. I would appreciate your prayers. Yes, we did lose power but only about an hour that time. Then I made the mistake of clicking on one story on 4um, and proceeded to go down another rabbit hole. sigh. However, I still need to prepare for the next onslaught tomorrow through Wednesday, and hopefully not beyond, unless I lose power AGAIN, which I am afraid of. Looking back at the title of this post, if you ask me, one proof of God is what He said in Genesis 3:15, and the Final Battle of which we see before us in our very own America. sorry...I realize this is once again getting long...and I've barely scratched the surface.
Trump says he's in no rush to implement plan to take over the redevelopment of Gaza .... The man with the plan - DC professor sent Trump Gaza relocation development study in July. (just gaaaaag me) Trump is doubling down and mentioned building the Palestinians a place where they'll be safe and happy. It's impossible for me to believe he doesn't know who the rightful people are to inhabit that land. People that have ancestors buried there and that possessed farms and olive groves before the Jew invasion. I watched an interview where Trump sounded to me like he wanted to buy Gaza and develop it. [The Trump Riviera]. (Gaaaag me too)! I'm afraid I don't believe the founders were in the main, Christians. I actually think they were inclined to paganism as displayed in the U.S. Capitol Building Dome. I believe the population were Christian and the deists made the necessary concessions to become liberated. I also believe a deal was made to end the revolution. I believe the Generals (all Freemasons on both sides) decided it would be best to make it appear that the colonists had won and they convinced the king to agree. Keeping in mind that if not for Patrick Henry there wouldn't have been a Bill of Rights. Trump is doing enough to pacify the recently awakened on the one hand while he works his magic with "his hidden hand." Many overtures are made about Trump's godliness, some by pundits claiming God saved him, and Trump himself said "Maybe I'm the Chosen One," and yet he repeatedly read the words to the song "THE SNAKE" (you knew I was a snake before you took me in) at so many of his campaign rallys. You know they always have to tell us. All I care to say at this point in time is that I have never felt like the people on earth were in more trouble/tribulation than exists today. That being said, I have never felt more at peace and I'm truly happy to be alive for whatever comes my way. If God be for us who can be against us ? God bless !
I keep hearing stuff like that too! Now it's official...I saw the article Horse just posted and where you commented. I had been trying to pull up the following short vid: Donald Trump says Palestinians won't have the right to return to Gaza under his plan. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxE34V3LWyQ This is so, so, so, EVIL. It's impossible for me to believe he doesn't know who the rightful people are to inhabit that land. People that have ancestors buried there and that possessed farms and olive groves before the Jew invasion. I think Trump is one of them, or being blackmailed by them, or both, but I really think it's the former. I'm afraid I don't believe the founders were in the main, Christians. I actually think they were inclined to paganism as displayed in the U.S. Capitol Building Dome. I know what you mean by the dome. "The apotheosis (?) of George Washington" www.aoc.gov/explore-capit...art/apotheosis-washington I actually think George Washington may have been a crypto-Jew, or crypto-Tribe of Dan more accurately. Most of them were Freemasons, which is just another front for Zionist Judaism. I believe the population were Christian and the deists made the necessary concessions to become liberated. I also believe a deal was made to end the revolution. I believe the Generals (all Freemasons on both sides) decided it would be best to make it appear that the colonists had won and they convinced the king to agree. Basically, I agree! And actually, they were all in cahoots with the Crown. Great Britain owns USA By: Stephen Kimbol Ames Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security, "...What people do not know is that the so called Founding Fathers and King George were working hand-in-hand to bring the people of America to their knees, to install a Central Government over them and to bind them to a debt that could not be paid. First off you have to understand that the UNITED STATES is a corporation and that it existed before the Revolutionary war. See Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43. 28 U.S.C. 3002 (15)...." www.natural-person.ca/pdf/Great_Britain_owns_USA.PDF Here's the best back story I have ever read of the "American" Revolution: " America, the land of the free and the home of the brave? or. . . the land of the fee and the home of the slave? The "American Revolution" is as well known an apparition as is the "War For Independence". Sadly, once again the spot-light is beamed upon a massive lie; in fact this one is a double-whammy. Not only was that war NOT a spontaneous uprising against tyranny, we Americans were fooled into believing we "won" that war. Remembering that the Jews claim sole responsibility for the French Revolution -- in fact they claim responsibility for ALL revolutions-- consider the time line here: 1) The American revolution began in 1776, the alleged date of the 'founding' of the Illuminati..." "... We'll take a short side-trip now to clear up some more lies we've been taught in history concerning the American "victory" over Great Britain. When Cornwallis surrendered to Washington on October 19th, 1781, he surrendered the battle, not the war. Under the Articles of Capitulation, the common British soldiers were held in forts, under conditions that they were fed the same as American troops; the officers -- one for every fifty soldiers -- lived nearby to see to their good treatment, while the officers themselves lived in fine quarters in society being served like royalty; the injured were hospitalized and treated, all at the cost of Americans (as usual). The war had not been formally ended; and in fact, it was nearly six months later -- in March, 1782 -- that the House of Commons finally settled on a resolution to advise the king that the fighting part of the war should end. . . to be continued to this day, under cover, with silent weapons for quiet wars. From The History of the American Revolution, Vol. 2, Ramsay, 617-9, we read: ". . . Dec. 12,1781, it was moved in the House of Commons that a resolution should be adopted declaring it to be their opinion, "That all farther attempts to reduce the Americans to obedience by force would be ineffectual, and injurious to the true interests of Great Britain." The resolution failed at that time. Then: "General Conway in five days after (Feb. 27), brought forward another motion expressed in different words, but to the same effect with that which he had lost by a single vote. This caused a long debate which lasted till two o'clock in the morning. It was then moved to adjourn the debate till the 13th of March. ". . . together with other suspicious circumstances, induced General Conway to move another resolution, expressed in the most decisive language. This was to the following effect that, "The house would consider as enemies to his majesty and the country, all those who should advise or by any means attempt the further prosecution of offensive war, on the continent of North America, for the purpose of reducing the colonies to obedience by force." "This motion after a feeble opposition was carried without a division. . . This resolution and the preceding address, to which it had reference, may be considered as the closing scene of the American war." In other words, the good ol' boys got together and decided to stop the fighting. They had other ways to control their subjects (slaves) in America other than by "force", via the Rothschild banking cartel. It's interesting to note, too, that although the fighting stopped in 1781, the actual Treaty of Peace was not finalized until 1783. Under this treaty the King, his heirs, subjects, etc. were allowed to keep, in perpetuity, any property they owned in America, without having to become American citizens; as well the King (and his heirs and successors) was to retain mineral rights: one third of all gold, silver and copper mined in America. The King granted fishing rights even designating where the fishermen could clean and dry their fish. To the victor go the spoils? ..." www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jewishpersecution18.htm I believe the rich founding fathers wanted to keep their wealth but spread the COST (i.e., TAXES, around...to the peasants). I also believe it was the way for the Jews to get their foot in the door. Until the passing of the CONstitution, this was a Christian nation, founded by Christians for Christians. Jews were not allowed to hold public office. ; there was a Christian test oath to prohibit them. George Washington, at the urging of some Jews, did away with the Christian test oath. I just found another letter: Sires With leave and submission I address myself To those in whome there is wisdom understanding and knowledge. they are the honourable personages appointed and Made overseers of a part of the terrestrial globe of the Earth, Namely the 13 united states of america in Convention Assembled, the Lord preserve them amen– I the subscriber being one of the people called Jews of the City of Philadelphia, a people scattered and despersed among all nations do behold with Concern that among the laws in the Constitution of Pennsylvania their is a Clause Sect. 10 to viz–I do believe in one God the Creature and governour of the universe the Rewarder of the good and the punisher of the wicked–and I do acknowledge the scriptures of the old and New testement to be given by a devine inspiration–to swear and believe that the new testement was given by devine inspiration is absolutly against the Religious principle of a Jew. and is against his Conscience to take any such oath–By the above law a Jew is deprived of holding any publick office or place of Government which is a Contridectory to the bill of Right Sect 2. viz That all men have a natural and unalienable Right To worship almighty God according to the dectates of their own Conscience and understanding, and that no man aught or of Right can be Compelled to attend any Relegious Worship or Erect or support any place of worship or Maintain any minister contrary to or against his own free will and Consent nor Can any man who acknowledgesthe being of a God be Justly deprived or abridged of any Civil Right as a Citizen on account of his Religious sentiments or peculiar mode of Religious Worship, and that no authority Can or aught to be vested in or assumed by any power what ever that shall in any Case interfere or in any manner Controul the Right of Conscience in the free Exercise of Religious Worship It is well known among all the Citizens of the 13 united States that the Jews have been true and faithful whigs, and during the late Contest with England they have been foremost in aiding and assisting the States with their lifes and fortunes, they have supported the Cause, have bravely faught and bleed for liberty which they Can not Enjoy — Therefore if the honourable Convention shall in ther Wisdom think fit and alter the said oath and leave out the words to viz–and I do acknoweledge the scripture of the new testement to be given by devine inspiration then the Israeletes will think them self happy to live under a goverment where all Relegious societys are on an Eaquel footing–I solecet this favour for my self my Childreen and posterity and for the benefit of all the Isrealetes through the 13 united States of america My prayers is unto the Lord. May the people of this States Rise up as a great and young lion, May they prevail against their Enemies, May the degrees of honour of his Excellencey the president of the Convention George Washington, be Extollet and Raise up. May Every one speak of his glorious Exploits. May God prolong his days among us in this land of Liberty &–May he lead the armies against his Enemys as he has done hereuntofore–May God Extend peace unto the united States &–May they get up to the highest Prosperetys &–May God Extend peace to them and their seed after them so long as the Sun and moon Endureth–and may the almighty God of our father Abraham Isaac and Jacob endue this Noble Assembly with wisdom Judgement and unamity in their Councells, and may they have the Satisfaction to see that their present toil and labour for the wellfair of the united States may be approved of, Through all the world and perticular by the united States of america is the ardent prayer of Sires Your Most devoted obed Servant Jonas Phillips teachingamericanhistory.o...ips-to-george-washington/ MUST SEE this one as well: George Washington's lasting gift to generations of Jews www.csmonitor.com/2004/0915/p12s01-lire.html Last paragraph: "...Logan credits the social mobility of Jewish immigrants such as his father to the religious freedom guaranteed by the American government. "There were definitely individuals, even powerful individuals, who behaved in an intolerant way," he said. "There remain intolerant individuals. [In the US,] someone has the right to be intolerant, but they can't have the government help them."..." Unless of course you're Jewish!! "“South Dakota Governor, Kristi Noem, announces her intention to implement nationwide “anti-semitism” laws. As Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, Noem will weaponize federal law enforcement and use anti-Semitism laws, and eventually the Noahide Laws, against American citizens.” As I said, the CONstitution allowed them to get their foot in the door, and they even claim the CONstitution is Jewish! And contained the Noahide Laws from the beginning! www.israelnationalnews.com/news/334405 And it seems to be confirmed by the Architect of the Capitol again: Relief Portrait Plaques of Lawgivers https://www.aoc.gov/explore-capitol-campus/art/relief-portrait-plaques-lawgivers to name a few: HAMMURABI, KING OF BABYLON www.aoc.gov/explore-capit...hammurabi-relief-portrait MOSES www.aoc.gov/explore-capit...art/moses-relief-portrait MAIMONIDES (evil one) www.aoc.gov/explore-capit...aimonides-relief-portrait THOMAS JEFFERSON, ILLUMINIST: www.aoc.gov/explore-capit...jefferson-relief-portrait "A greater than Moses is here"/"The Lord is our Judge; the Lord is our Lawgiver"...WHERE IS HE???? NOWHERE to be seen. As George Washington said, "The United States GOVERNMENT is in no sense founded on the Christian religion" and in my opinion, that is its fatal flaw. https://biblehub.com/matthew/7-26.htm if not for Patrick Henry there wouldn't have been a Bill of Rights. Amen! Patrick Henry said I SMELL A RAT, when he got wind of what they were doing with their CONstitution. Patrick Henry was a Christian, and the PTB will NOT give Patrick Henry any credit for giving us the Bill of Rights: H.Res.290 - Urging the President to proclaim Sunday, December 15, 1991, as a National Day of Thanksgiving for the Bill of Rights and for the contributions of Patrick Henry to the Bill of Rights. 102nd Congress (1991-1992) www.congress.gov/bill/102...ress/house-resolution/290 It went NOWHERE! Trump is doing enough to pacify the recently awakened on the one hand while he works his magic with "his hidden hand." Many overtures are made about Trump's godliness, some by pundits claiming God saved him, and Trump himself said "Maybe I'm the Chosen One," and yet he repeatedly read the words to the song "THE SNAKE" (you knew I was a snake before you took me in) at so many of his campaign rallys. You know they always have to tell us. yup, yup...I know, I know. I keep seeing all this and still don't want it to be true. I too can suffer from cognitive dissonance. The reality is too much to handle sometimes, and I'm not even being bombed on a continual basis...yet. All I care to say at this point in time is that I have never felt like the people on earth were in more trouble/tribulation than exists today I FINALLY realized, after all these years, what watch.pair's name means: But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. ~ I Peter 4:7 That being said, I have never felt more at peace and I'm truly happy to be alive for whatever comes my way. If God be for us who can be against us ? I am so glad for you. I wish I could be more at peace. We have too much going on. Precious lives at risk. But yes, that's what I said the other day to our latest almost daily attack: If God be for us who can be against us. God bless you too!
He actually said, "I am the chosen one"...an "I am" statement equating himself to God. He fulfills every verse foretelling the AC.
You are correct...that is what he said: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JsAQj36gCU He fulfills every verse foretelling the AC. So did Nero. So does King Charles and Prince William. I don't know if this is a double fulfillment or part of the script they all are playing...for centuries...to deceive. I HAVE read of them calling him ONE of their "messiahs", usually it's messiah ben joseph. I'd call him messiah ben dan. lol.
That's the really weird part...it seems to be all scripted. They are using Bible prophecy as their script... Not sure why. The prophecy says they all lose in the end.
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1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
--Psalm 14:1-3
#8. To: watchman, Horse (#1)
Guest says Big Bang is Nonsense
#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)
#34. To: watchman (#10)
I liken the big bang theory and the theory of evolution to someone looking at a Michelangelo sculpture and saying, "Wow, a chunk of marble exploded and created a statue"
#37. To: Pinguinite (#34)
#40. To: FormerLurker (#37)
Some can't think beyond what they are told.
#59. To: watchman (#40)
God says, "Prove all things"...which includes proving what the Bible says.
#61. To: Pinguinite (#59)
Or proving that what the Bible says is not true?
#85. To: watchman (#61)
I am prepared to throw the Bible out in the yard if it is not true.
#94. To: Pinguinite (#85)
But I do see flaws in the Bible.
#109. To: watchman (#94)
I see problem passages in the Bible, but not flaws/error.
#112. To: Pinguinite (#109)
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#117. To: watchman (#112)
Perhaps you could provide an example of a flaw you found.
#124. To: Pinguinite (#117)
Does God get angry?
So when is God ever out of control? When does God ever suffer from insecurity? When has he ever surprised about something bad happening?
And what could ever possibly happen that God couldn't recover from? What could ever happen that God would need to recover from?
I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above.
What does fit is that leaders would tell people that God is angry, jealous and wrathful. And they would do it as a means of controlling people.
I don't think it's possible for God to be wrathful or jealous. These are human attributes that are painted on to God that are not real.
#158. To: watchman (#124)
Yes. The Bible is filled with examples of God's anger.
And what could ever possibly happen that God couldn't recover from? What could ever happen that God would need to recover from?
Question not understood.
I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above.
His anger falls under the attribute of being just, requiring justice. And also love.
Nope. The leaders didn't have to tell the people of God's anger...everyone felt it immediately and personally. God would flat out kill scores of people until they came back into line.
But didn't God say we are made in His image? You have emotions because God has emotions.
#162. To: Pinguinite (#158)
And God is not weak.
#164. To: watchman (#162)
Does God have emotions?
#165. To: Pinguinite (#164)
Does God have emotions? How do you define emotions? Emotions that are a result of the human mind functioning, no, God does not.
#188. To: watchman (#165)
I believe God is a Person, perfect, in every way. Capable of love, anger, jealousy...but never allowing those emotions to become sinful.
#189. To: Pinguinite (#188)
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anger
#190. To: watchman (#189)
Sure, you have many other issues...but it is the issue "anger" that concerns you most.
#191. To: Pinguinite (#190)
Now please give a rational theological explanation for why God can kill some of his kids out of anger
but it's not for us.
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
#192. To: watchman (#191)
I told you. I laid it out for you concerning Amalek. Apparently my reasoned response did not register with you.
Anger is actually required of us.
#193. To: Pinguinite (#192)
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You described justification in the form of "the end justifies the means".
Anger is actually required of us. No it is not.
Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called 𝙨𝙤𝙘𝙞𝙤𝙥𝙖𝙩𝙝𝙮, is a mental health condition in which a person consistently 𝙨𝙝𝙤𝙬𝙨 𝙣𝙤 𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙧𝙙 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙧𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙬𝙧𝙤𝙣𝙜...
#226. To: watchman (#193)
You described justification in the form of "the end justifies the means".
These are your words...not mine!
God was perfectly right and just to command the destruction of Amalek...men women, children, livestock, the very memory of them.
Had Israel obeyed, the world would not be suffering under the Edomites as we are today.
When you see injustice...and you feel nothing...no sense of righteous anger wells up in you...you are a sociopath.
Humans are designed to feel anger, especially when they see injustice.
But you say being angry is bad?
#239. To: Pinguinite, Dakmar (#226)
neither God nor the universe revolves around planet Earth or the human population.
#245. To: watchman (#239)
In all that you have said, that God is angry, God is weak, etc...you are simply saying, "I reject God", that is, "I reject the God of the Bible".
He said "It's my choice, I have made it".
#263. To: Pinguinite (#245)
Most humans grow up believing what their parents taught them. Some firmly enough to strap bombs to themselves. Others enough to promote genocide of "subhuman" and "inferior" people.
#264. To: The_Rock (#263)
#267. To: Pinguinite (#264)
I did not identify either Muslims or Israelis/Jews in my statement.
#269. To: BTP Holdings (#267)
You can't reason with someone who thinks if they die while trying to kill you, they go to heaven and receive 72 virgins.
#281. To: The_Rock (#269)
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Which is why Israel shouldn't give them shit. They are in Israel and they can't behave themselves when in a foreign country.
#283. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#281)
#292. To: The_Rock (#283)
Christians aren't Israel. We are grafted in. If your posts weren't so long I would respond more. But you usually put to much so they never get read by most people.
#295. To: The_Rock (#292)
“Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone.
#298. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#295)
What's changed? Do you think God is pleased with Netanyahu with the help of AIPAC and the US Government committing ethnic cleansing over there now, so they can build their counterfeit temple and start sacrificing animals again and so they can rule over the whole world with their Babylonian Talmud? Do you know there are Palestinian CHRISTIANS in Gaza and the West Bank, in addition to all the other innocent Palestinians? Do you even care? Do you really think this makes God HAPPY? I fear you are going to stand in front of His throne one day and He is going to say, "I never knew you."
#300. To: noone2222 (#298)
The genocide taking place in Gaza (Palestine) includes Christians among other completely innocent people that have been subjected to ruthless and unending torture for at least 77 years. I am hopeful that Trump is in the process of stopping the murder but have my doubts.
The Danites Take Micah's Idols
One calf he set up in Bethel, and the other in Dan. / And this thing became a sin; the people walked as far as Dan to worship before one of the calves.
but he did not turn away from the sins that Jeroboam son of Nebat had caused Israel to commit—the worship of the golden calves at Bethel and Dan.
Those who swear by the guilt of Samaria and say, ‘As surely as your god lives, O Dan,’ or, ‘As surely as the way of Beersheba lives’—they will fall, never to rise again.”
And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel: / From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, / from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, ...
Dan shall provide justice for his people as one of the tribes of Israel. / He will be a snake by the road, a viper in the path that bites the horse’s heels so that its rider tumbles backward./...
#303. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#300)
I don't have much hope of Trump stopping this. I keep seeing things that would seem to negate that hope. I've watched him saying the Palestinians need to be removed and we need to rebuild.
#304. To: noone2222 (#303)
Trump is doubling down and mentioned building the Palestinians a place where they'll be safe and happy
#305. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, noone2222 (#304)
Trump himself said "Maybe I'm the Chosen One,"
#314. To: watchman (#305)
He actually said, "I am the chosen one"...an "I am" statement equating himself to God.
#316. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#314)
part of the script they all are playing...for centuries
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