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Published: Jan 27, 2025
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#44. To: Pinguinite (#41)
Certainly God could start with a bang, but He says He started with a word.
Show me the verse that defines light. And how is a word defined? And how is a word defined? In computer science it's 16 bits.. :) He gave us a mind, and a physical body to observe physics, chemistry, math...nothing wrong with that. Many Christians are physicist, chemists, etc. I study cows...I learned that they did not evolve :)
Show me the verse that defines light. You first :)
I am entertaining the theory that there have been an infinite number of Big Bangs, where all matter clumps up due to gravity over time (think black holes, etc) until it reaches critical mass, much like atomic bomb. Then the Big Bang. Matter is hurled into matterless dimension aka empty space, which must exist simply because it exists. If it had matter it would not be matterless, now, would it? Matter expands into empty space until intertia from Big Bang is overcome by gravity. Then the entirety of matter starts condensing, once again becoming a singular collection of matter, primed to explode. Expand, contract, ad infinitum. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
I don't see why he'd be required or compelled to do so. Where does the Bible say the BB & evolution did not occur? If the Bible is silent on those matters, then it's not contradicting those theories. I could accept the Genesis 1 story of creation contradicts evolution (though it does not say evolution could not commence after creation is done) but Genesis seems to be generally in line with the BB theory. Isn't there a verse that says something like "It's the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of man to seek out a matter?" Seems that is an endorsement of science. Looked it up: Proverbs 25:2. I did a pretty good job of recalling it, I'd say.
In reality a word is an expression of an idea. The word "bang" conveys the idea of a sudden burst. How do YOU know the idea God used wasn't something similar? As I said earlier, it's all a matter of the fact that God DID NOT write ANYTHING, the bible is merely the musings of ancient people who tried to explain all that exists. They did get some things right though, perhaps from some ancient spiritual knowledge that exists beyond that which is explainable. Who or what created the matter in the first place? Who or what created the empty space?
Possible, but where did that mass come from? How was it created? Funny how we both came up with the same question looking at it from two different angles.. :) From the Bible... "Said" means speaking, at least to me.
You said it's all explained in the bible. Uh huh. Relying on English words to reflect spiritual Hebrew thought isn't a precise science, especially when not only the words are often mistranslated, but the origin of the words is the hand of a man who wrote them from limited knowledge of much of anything.
Or proving that what the Bible says is not true? It's actually improper scientific method to start with the assumption that something is true, then proceed to search for evidence supporting that conclusion. Do that and I promise you you will succeed. "Seek and ye shall find" as the Bible quotes Jesus as saying and it is true, particularly when applied to human psychology. As I see it, if the Bible really IS the Word of God, then it will pass any and all tests put to it. We should, therefore, be completely fearless putting it through completely unbiased testing. We do NOT need to start with any foregone conclusion that it is completely perfect as a divine work and then seek to prove it. Does the Bible need a crutch? A head start? A cheat sheet? I say no. Give the Bible complete and unbiased tests. Fair tests, but unbiased tests.
That's a cool verse! You should see what I'm wrestling with these past many years. Simply said, God wants us searching, knocking, seeking, waiting... Keeps us involved with Him...but not always fun.
As I see it, if the Bible really IS the Word of God, then it will pass any and all tests put to it. I am prepared to throw the Bible out in the yard if it is not true. I do not want to believe a lie...I want the truth.
I can do Hebrew... Plus, I have God's Spirit to help me understand. It is often a painful process.
I'm pretty sure if you lived a million years you'd see that they do in fact change over time. In fact, if you look at skeletons of modern birds and compared them to skeletons of dinosaurs, they are quite similar. Which would mean modern birds are most likely descended from dinosaurs. Then you should know that what I've said concerning the mistranslation of Genesis is an absolute fact, Do you also know Gematria? I could make the same claim. That is why an infinite number of cycles is crucial to that theory. If I claimed, like, nine, the obvious next question would be "what happened before that, where did matter come from?" to which I am at a complete loss to give an intelligent answer. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
I had been perplexed about where the energy comes from in a supernova explosion. Stars fuse from hydrogen to helium to iron. And apparently putting too much iron in one spot causes the greatest explosion in the universe (after the BB). Why? Still not completely clear on the physics but it seems an understandable explanation is there. So a giga supernova is what you suggest. Maybe, but it would need to bypass the supernova explosive stage somehow. But yes, if a "critical mass" is part of the equation then it suggests that not all mass in the universe need be involved. If that's the case, I expect conventional science to find matter that pre-existed the perceived date of the BB. That would be an endorsement of the long discarded "Steady State" theory. Alternate theory says there may be many more BB events that occurred throughout the mega-cosmos. E.g. perhaps one occurred 100 billion light years away. We'd have no means of detecting it as light from it wouldn't be anywhere near our own BB bubble. Could be thousands or trillions of others out there. And God could be behind each and every one of them.
And that is where we all are. The BB theory doesn't explain that either. I've not kept up on my Science Digest subscription, but don't supernovas collapse into some sort of density pit? “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
To me, it's an endorsement of the sciences. So to conclude that believing the BB theory is rejecting God... doesn't work. Not for me. It is our destiny to ask questions and seek answers. That's what science... REAL science, does. And I see both BB and evolution falling into that category. It is legitimate research. Not liking the answers is fine, but that's NOT science. The truth doesn't need any help to stand up.
We also need to ask the question, what EXACTLY is mass and energy? E=mc2 they say. Which means the amount of energy available (in Joules) of mass is equal to the constant of the speed of light squared times the amount of mass (in kilograms). But WHAT exactly are they? BB explains why galaxies are hurtling away from us and spinning! “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Perhaps. But it still comes down to where did all that mass and energy come from, and what exactly IS mass and energy?
Mass is matter Energy is either velocity or electric charge Until we get to the complex stuff. :) “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Cargo planes, ca 1943 “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Who or what created the empty space? Why would either need to be created if they have always existed? Who or what created God? “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Ok, what is matter? We can break down matter to atoms and subatomic particles. But what ARE they really?... We know we can describe what energy does, but what IS it exactly? BTW, charge isn't energy, it's potential energy. Charge produces an electrostatic field. Energy can be seen as light, electromagnetic radiation, heat, and force that causes a mass to accelerate. That is the age old question. LOL!! Who or what created God? God self-exists... You are ascribing God-like attributes to matter and space. The pagans do that and worship such things. I believe only God has "always existed"...and created both matter and space when He saw fit.
Where did those come from? Did some diety create them? “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
So does the universe. The universe self attests to me every moment that it exists. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
The pagans do that and worship such things. I'll take that as a compliment, for now :) “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Perhaps all that exists IS God.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAnd apparently you reject the possibility that the method God used included a Big Bang.
#45. To: watchman (#42)
Show me the verse that says that.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination 
#46. To: watchman (#44)
He started with a word.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#47. To: watchman (#44)
He started with a word.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#48. To: FormerLurker (#43)
Does God explain nuclear physics, chemistry, or math anywhere in the bible?
#49. To: FormerLurker (#45)
Show me the verse that says that.
#50. To: Pinguinite, watchman (#6)
(Edited)
I don't think that's the theory at all as it implies a super compressed mass pre-existed the BB.
#51. To: watchman (#38)
God would have told us if that were the case.
God cannot lie. It is impossible for Him to lie.
#52. To: watchman (#44)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#53. To: Dakmar (#50)
Matter expands into empty space
#54. To: Dakmar (#50)
Expand, contract, ad infinitum.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#55. To: watchman (#53)
Who or what created the matter in the first place?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#56. To: FormerLurker (#52)
How do YOU know the idea God used wasn't something similar?
And God said,
#57. To: watchman (#49)
You first :)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#58. To: watchman (#56)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#59. To: watchman (#40)
God says, "Prove all things"...which includes proving what the Bible says.
#60. To: Pinguinite (#51)
"It's the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of man to seek out a matter?"
#61. To: Pinguinite (#59)
Or proving that what the Bible says is not true?
#62. To: FormerLurker (#58)
Uh huh. Relying on English words to reflect spiritual Hebrew
#63. To: watchman (#48)
I study cows...I learned that they did not evolve :)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#64. To: watchman (#62)
I can do Hebrew...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#65. To: watchman (#62)
Plus, I have God's Spirit to help me understand.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#66. To: FormerLurker (#54)
(Edited)
Possible, but where did that mass come from? How was it created?
#67. To: Dakmar (#50)
I am entertaining the theory that there have been an infinite number of Big Bangs, where all matter clumps up due to gravity over time (think black holes, etc) until it reaches critical mass, much like atomic bomb.
#68. To: Dakmar (#66)
I am at a complete loss to give an intelligent answer.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#69. To: Pinguinite (#67)
So a giga supernova is what you suggest. Maybe, but it would need to bypass the supernova explosive stage somehow.
#70. To: watchman (#60)
That's a cool verse!
#71. To: Pinguinite, Dakmar (#67)
(Edited)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#72. To: FormerLurker (#68)
And that is where we all are. The BB theory doesn't explain that either.
#73. To: Dakmar (#72)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#74. To: FormerLurker (#71)
We also need to ask the question, what EXACTLY is mass and energy?
#75. To: FormerLurker (#73)
But it still comes down to where did all that mass and energy come from
#76. To: watchman (#53)
Who or what created the matter in the first place?
#77. To: Dakmar (#74)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#78. To: Dakmar (#76)
Who or what created God?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#79. To: Dakmar (#75)
Cargo planes, ca 1943
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#80. To: Dakmar (#76)
(Edited)
Why would either need to be created if they have always existed?
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. Ps.90:2
#81. To: FormerLurker (#77)
We can break down matter to atoms and subatomic particles.
#82. To: watchman (#80)
God self-exists...
#83. To: watchman (#80)
You are ascribing God-like attributes to matter and space.
#84. To: Dakmar (#81)
Where did those come from? Did some diety create them?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
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