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#234. To: FormerLurker (#196)
I did not say this as I was quoting watchman, but I say God is not a human. Our human identity is merely incidental. Humans are a product of earth. We as souls inhabit a single human body for the life of the body. Our human nature/DNA/bodies do not make us valuable to God in any way. The human race is expendable as far as God is concerned. We souls that inhabit these bodies are not.
And there isn't enough money to get me to dance, I can't bust a move no how. Do you know why Baptists don't boff standing up? They are afraid peoples would think they was dancing. Don't know nothing about dancing, one of my legs is shorter than the other and both my feets too long.
“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
You suggest God is a normal person? But your example is extreme. Compare that to a bunch of confused people making a gold statue and throwing a party around it for a few days. That would be cause enough to make an all-knowing God who understands all of us completely and cannot be surprised by anything we would do angry enough to kill them? Or angry at all? The root of anger is insecurity. One becomes angry when one finds himself powerless in the face of a wrong done to him/her, or perhaps others. Please explain how God is in any way powerless or capable of being surprised by anything at all. The bible is a work of man, not God. It is falsely revered with theology constructed around it to give it validation even when it means employing creative theological gymnastics, as is the case with arguing that God can get angry. Having said that, much of what the bible says, particularly in the NT, I agree is true and correct. Of course that is part of the reason why all of the bible is considered divine by so many.
That does seem quite out of keeping with omnipotence, which I must assume includes omniscience, since it's a package deal. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
In all that you have said, that God is angry, God is weak, etc...you are simply saying, "I reject God", that is, "I reject the God of the Bible". Dakmar has actually been the most honest and clear. He said "It's my choice, I have made it".
All of the above is correct. Because he's smarter than that. Your mistake is in thinking that actual events on earth are what's most important to God. It is not. What's important is how each of us responds to the various things we experience. We are on earth to grow, to embellish our virtues and quash our vices. To learn kindness, the Golden Rule (as per gospel), to patience with others. to turn the other cheek. To love our enemies. Those things make us stronger. Things that keep us weak is to wallow in anger, jealousy, selfishness, etc. Everything around us will perish eventually, including planet earth itself. We, however, will not. We are immortal. And things that happen to us on earth, good or bad, is no more real than what happens to us in dreams. And just as dream events become inconsequential when we awake, earthly events become inconsequential when we die and leave earth/human form, and for the same reason. None of it was real. What is/was real, are the lessons in how we handled ourselves. This is a very simply theology that doesn't require all the convoluted gymnastics of biblical theology. And if one asks if God had a choice of how the universe should be ordered, wouldn't he choose one that didn't end up with most of his kids burning in hell for all eternity? Just about everything in that 60 second snippet I completely agree with.
But I am a habitual skeptic. Just for the record. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
It is an assumption, even within the science community, that evolution is a product of chance. It is possible some biological mechanism could be in play that specifically causes offspring to be better suited for a current environment that doesn't rely on chance. Christian fundamentalists also err in assuming evolution could not have a supernatural element assisting its progress.
In Dreams? Sorry, I try not to be horrible, but can't stop myself sometimes. :) “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
I am sort of horrified that I am part of a conversation centered around which faction are the true Jews and thus would be righteous in slaughtering any rivals based upon manuscripts.
“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
I never said God is angry or weak. YOU say he's angry. Yes, I reject that portion of the biblical portrayal of God as a God that can get angry or jealous. Absolutely I do. God is certainly real, and he's far, far, FAR better than what the bible depicts. Plainly put, the bible fails the test of being the divine Word of God. It is not. It is a work of man. It's flaws are present. It does have good elements in it but so do a great many other books by ordinary authors. Many people ascribe divinity to it but only because they were raised to do so, as if ancient people had any more wisdom about life than people today do, and were free of all the human flaws that we all see around us daily. Ancient people were the same as us. Wondering about their purpose & confused about their human form. As souls they correctly knew they were special in the universe, but their human minds couldn't figure out how that was possible, in no small way trying to figure out how animals were different from them. So stories and legends arose, relayed from parent to inquiring child, generation after generation, eventually "codified" on scrolls. Some items correct in spirit but wrong in mechanics. We should be open minded. That is particularly hard for our human minds that are so comfortable clinging to beliefs. Many Christian preachers say a problem with people is we do not have enough faith. I say the problem with people is we have far too much. We accept too much as true which is not true, particularly things we are taught as children. It's the reason why countries remain predominently of certain faiths generation after generation. If the human mind was given to rational thought, we would instead see various faiths spread homogeneously through all countries about evenly. But we don't. Most humans grow up believing what their parents taught them. Some firmly enough to strap bombs to themselves. Others enough to promote genocide of "subhuman" and "inferior" people. Yes, we are all conditioned to just accept what we were taught, taking the "wide road" as it were. People like me take the narrow path and are willing to ask the real question of "Is all I've been taught in my youth actually true?" I'll take satisfaction in that. And when my time comes to face God, I'll tell Him (actually He will already know) that I followed my conscience at least somewhat faithfully, and I did not lie about it even when people told me I would burn for all eternity if I did not somehow "change my mind" as though that were possible. As we all have. Good for him. Good for you. Good for me.
Well, E = mc2.... Which could be interpreted to mean our entire universe is....
No. I was just showing your comment that being angry is wrong and a vice. I think my post served that purpose.
My example is extreme. But it isn't the only example. Would you be angry if you were castrated? Onto your second sentence. Why do you say they were confused? Yes it would make him angry. It did didn't it? Just because he knows what will happen in the future doesn't mean he should never get angry about it. It seems you have substituted yourself for God and you say what God should do or be.
The Bible says "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." You used to say you were a christian. What changed your mind? The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. 3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; 4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: 5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: 8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. 9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Because he's smarter than that. What does smarter than that have to do with the statement? Because you are smarter you wouldn't be angry. I think you are substituting your judgement and the way you think things should be for Gods.
Why do you continually argue that because I can get angry, that God must also get angry? Being compared to God is flattering but it's a comparison I must reject. Again, anger stems from weakness. Just because your bible says God got angry doesn't mean it's true. My point is the bible cannot be the infallible WoG precisely because it portrays God as subject to anger. It simply does not mix with all the other attributes about God you already agree with. All knowing, all powerful etc. How would you describe their mental state? We are BOTH arguing what God should do or be. YOU are arguing that because I can get angry that God can get angry too, ascribing human weakness for God's nature.
And....? New information that makes more sense, and being willing to be open minded to the possibility that everything works in a way different from how I've believed since my youth. Something you are not willing to do. You are probably afraid God will get mad at you if you dare put your current beliefs to a real test. Certainly the bible issuing warnings to that effect would do that. Kind of a self-certifying warning against honestly searching for truth.
Your way of thinking limits God to what humans can feel or experience. Do you know how God feels about other planets or civilizations on other worlds? You need to think beyond primitive man to understand. These are times that call for astute yet requisitely harsh assessment. I would want both of you on my team if I had one.
“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
𝐀𝐬 𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐧 𝐮𝐩𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐞𝐥𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐰𝐚𝐲 𝐒𝐨 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐅𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐲’𝐬 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐦 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐨𝐥𝐯𝐞 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐩𝐮𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐟𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐮𝐦𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐧𝐯𝐨𝐥𝐯𝐞 𝐑𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐥 𝐝𝐚𝐲 --George Frederic Handel (from Milton's L’Allegro,il Penseroso)
Yes there is a moral code. You are not allowed to be a faggot, a murderer a maker of pretend gods from your imagination. Those are sins and people will be held accountable. It isn't my thinking it is what God let us know. That is my view.
Nope. Do you know that there are civilizations on other worlds? If so tell us about them.
You think because someone is ancient they are inferior to you. Even though they are exactly like you and me. They were there to witness the world as it was. You can keep thinking you are superior if you want. I really don't care what you think. You have very little to offer.
Because you said that being angry is a vice. That it is wrong and we need to grow out of it. I'm just showing you that that is not true. Any reasonable person would get angry at injustice. And people who don't get angry an someone being raped or murderer is a bad person. So anger is necessary. For us humans and for a just God. Also the world is real with real consequences. We only live once. We only get one chance to get it right.
Just because you say God shouldn't get angry doesn't mean God getting angry isn't justified. You have offered no reasons why God shouldn't get angry at evil. A world without consequences would be a world without love. You seem to think God shouldn't love good and be angry at evil. Satan doesn't get angry at evil.
Willingly and knowingly doing the wrong thing.
Open minded about what. Killing someone? Stealing? Being a faggot? Being open minded is to a large degree a woke phrase evoked to try to cover up for wrong doing and make people feel sorry for people who do wrong things.
You rightly get that Muslims strap bombs to themselves and their children. You didn't mention Israel but it was a dig at Israel to pretend they commit genocide. When the statistics are now out and they inflicted less casualties on civilians of any war in recent memory. The genocide label that liberals try to put on Israel is just because they hate Jews. They think Jews are inferior and don't deserve a country of their own. Hitler didn't think they did and others think the same way.
You rightly get that Muslims strap bombs to themselves and their children. You didn't mention Israel but it was a dig at Israel to pretend they commit genocide. When the statistics are now out and they inflicted less casualties on civilians of any war in recent memory. I did not identify either Muslims or Israelis/Jews in my statement. But yes, you inferred correctly on both. There is ample evidence that genocide is openly endorsed by a significant number of Israelis, and its fueled in large part by ethno-religious supremacism. The "God's Chosen People"(TM) thing. Rewarding one with a promise of large swaths of land for believing a religious faith is a great incentive.
I'm sure in every "race" their are elements that are for genocide of another people. Truthfully speaking are there more Jews that support so called genocide or Muslims? I'd say Muslims. They think they would be rewarded with large swaths of virgins to have as sex slaves.
They had no concept of galaxies, solar systems, or other worlds. It's why they didn't mention them in their creation narrative. They did however inject some spiritual knowledge into their description though, such as the Duality of Nature, that is completely overlooked today due to the mistranslation of the verse that specifies it. You can't reason with someone who thinks if they die while trying to kill you, they go to heaven and receive 72 virgins. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
That is irrelevant.
Which is why Israel shouldn't give them shit. They are in Israel and they can't behave themselves when in a foreign country. Israel should destroy all the mosques.
You have no idea what I think, and those were never my words. I understand that the complexity of life is too complex for it to be the product of random chance. Thing is, evolution is a product of Nature, and Nature is a product of God. So you think we evolved from monkeys? Lol
Towards the end, that's how it worked out. In reality we are all creatures of Light. Some call it Intelligent Design. It took billions of years to evolve to where we are today. Men weren't walking the planet while the earth was still cooling off and the atmosphere was just beginning to be formed. I would also say that it didn't just happen here on Earth, but throughout the Universe. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest I believe God is a Person
As in a form of human?
#235. To: Dakmar (#231)
#236. To: ghostrider (#235)
#237. To: The_Rock (#218)
Say someone raped your wife or daughter. Any normal person would be angered by that. To not be angry at that would be quite strange.
#238. To: Pinguinite (#237)
Please explain how God is in any way powerless or capable of being surprised by anything at all.
#239. To: Pinguinite, Dakmar (#226)
neither God nor the universe revolves around planet Earth or the human population.
#240. To: The_Rock (#220)
If the creator of the Universe created us with free will. He gave us a choice of how to behave didn't he. I'm going to jump around a bit so forgive me.
God wanted us to love him is the way I understand it. If he forced us to love him it wouldn't be love at all. So he gave us a choice of how to behave.
If God is good I would think he would want us to be good.
If some of us are evil and would harm others or his plan to redeem mankind. Why wouldn't that make him mad/angry/hurt.
Do you think he should just look the other way and make it so the bad ones (we are all bad to a degree) could harm the good ones? Could harm them in a way that would lead them not to be saved?
Here is part of a sermon that explains in part the point I am trying to get across. Please take 1 min and watch it and let me know what you think. I may take the time to find a longer version of what the pastor is saying here.
#241. To: watchman (#239)
Dakmar has actually been the most honest and clear.
#242. To: The_Rock (#221)
You think that we evolved from some random chance.
#243. To: Pinguinite (#240)
Everything around us will perish eventually, including planet earth itself. We, however, will not. We are immortal. And things that happen to us on earth, good or bad, is no more real than what happens to us in dreams. And just as dream events become inconsequential when we awake, earthly events become inconsequential when we die and leave earth/human form, and for the same reason. None of it was real. What is/was real, are the lessons in how we handled ourselves.
#244. To: Pinguinite (#242)
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#245. To: watchman (#239)
In all that you have said, that God is angry, God is weak, etc...you are simply saying, "I reject God", that is, "I reject the God of the Bible".
He said "It's my choice, I have made it".
#246. To: Dakmar (#243)
In Dreams?
#247. To: Pinguinite (#237)
You suggest God is a normal person?
#248. To: Pinguinite (#237)
But your example is extreme. Compare that to a bunch of confused people making a gold statue and throwing a party around it for a few days. That would be cause enough to make an all-knowing God who understands all of us completely and cannot be surprised by anything we would do angry enough to kill them? Or angry at all?
#249. To: Pinguinite (#237)
The bible is a work of man, not God.
#250. To: Pinguinite (#240)
If some of us are evil and would harm others or his plan to redeem mankind. Why wouldn't that make him mad/angry/hurt.
#251. To: The_Rock (#248)
Would you be angry if you were castrated?
Why do you say they were confused?
It seems you have substituted yourself for God and you say what God should do or be.
#252. To: The_Rock (#249)
The Bible says "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."
You used to say you were a christian. What changed your mind?
#253. To: The_Rock (#250)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination 
#254. To: FormerLurker, Pinguinite (#253)
#255. To: Dakmar (#254)
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#256. To: FormerLurker (#253)
Your way of thinking limits God to what humans can feel or experience.
#257. To: FormerLurker (#253)
Do you know how God feels about other planets or civilizations on other worlds?
#258. To: FormerLurker (#253)
You need to think beyond primitive man to understand.
#259. To: Pinguinite (#251)
Why do you continually argue that because I can get angry, that God must also get angry?
#260. To: Pinguinite (#251)
Again, anger stems from weakness. Just because your bible says God got angry doesn't mean it's true.
#261. To: Pinguinite (#251)
Why do you say they were confused? How would you describe their mental state?
#262. To: Pinguinite (#245)
We should be open minded. That is particularly hard for our human minds that are so comfortable clinging to beliefs.
#263. To: Pinguinite (#245)
Most humans grow up believing what their parents taught them. Some firmly enough to strap bombs to themselves. Others enough to promote genocide of "subhuman" and "inferior" people.
#264. To: The_Rock (#263)
#265. To: Pinguinite (#264)
There is ample evidence that genocide is openly endorsed by a significant number of Israelis, and its fueled in large part by ethno-religious supremacism.
#266. To: The_Rock (#258)
You think because someone is ancient they are inferior to you. Even though they are exactly like you and me.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#267. To: Pinguinite (#264)
I did not identify either Muslims or Israelis/Jews in my statement.
#268. To: FormerLurker (#266)
They had no concept of galaxies, solar systems, or other worlds.
#269. To: BTP Holdings (#267)
You can't reason with someone who thinks if they die while trying to kill you, they go to heaven and receive 72 virgins.
#270. To: The_Rock (#221)
You think that we evolved from some random chance.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#271. To: FormerLurker (#270)
#272. To: The_Rock (#271)
So you think we evolved from monkeys?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#273. To: Pinguinite (#245)
Plainly put, the bible fails the test of being the divine Word of God. It is not. It is a work of man.
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