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Title: Ranchers Add Ladders to Border Fences
Source: Tampa Bay Online/AP
URL Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie ... _LADDERS?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
Published: Jun 17, 2006
Author: LYNN BREZOSKY
Post Date: 2006-06-17 10:18:45 by Dakmar
Keywords: None
Views: 1135
Comments: 55

FALFURRIAS, Texas (AP) -- A few Texas ranchers tired of costly repairs to cattle fences damaged by illegal immigrants have installed an easier route over the U.S.-Mexican border - ladders.

"It's an attempt to get them to use the ladders instead of tearing the fences," said Scott Pattinson, who owns one of a group of ranches known as La Copa.

La Copa is just south of a U.S. Border Patrol highway checkpoint that went up 75 miles from the border several years ago, sending migrants through the brambly scrub of nearby ranches instead.

Some immigrants walk for hours or days to skirt the checkpoints in temperatures hovering around 100 degrees. Their feet have worn visible paths through a forest of cactus and mesquite otherwise thick enough to conceal them from Border Patrol helicopters overhead and agents only a few hundred yards away.

The paths lead from one ripped-down section of fencing to another. Texas ranches can be so large it could be days before owners notice the hole in the fence, long after the livestock possibly escapes.

Paul Johnson protects his 2,700-acre exotic game ranch of zebras, scimitar-horned oryx and wildebeests with about 10 miles of high wire fence, and joined his neighbors in placing ladders along the way.

But apparently some immigrants think the ladders are too good to be true.

"They ignore it a lot," Johnson said. "They're afraid that they're monitored by the Border Patrol."

Johnson plans to take the ladders down, worried about the message he's sending.

"I think what it does is give a signal that we are wanting them to cross there, don't mind the crossing, and that kind of magnifies the problem," he said.

Rancher Michael Vickers never liked the ladder idea and instead has ringed his fence with 220 volts of electricity.

"I've had a dose of it myself, it's not fun," he said. "That's just my attitude, why make it easier for them to trespass?"

© 2006 The Associated Press.

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#5. To: Dakmar (#0)

Electricity is the way to go. Up the voltage.

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-17   12:19:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mehitable (#5)

I suspect it won't be long before they drag his ass off to prison and give his ranch to some dumbass who got injured.

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-17   12:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Dakmar (#6)

Maybe so, but you've got to make a stand somewhere. Otherwise, they're just gonna run you off your land in the long run anyway. I say, up the voltage to lethal and fry 'em. They wouldn't be able to press charges, so it would put the US govt in the position of pressing charges on their behalf. Lethal is the way to go.

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-17   12:26:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mehitable (#7)

Nothing they do deserves the death penalty. Period. You are foolish for even going there, but I'm glad you do because it is very revealing about much the problem with the mindset vilifying Mexicans in such a distorted and out of context manner.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-17   12:31:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ferret Mike (#8)

These people are ranchers, Mike. Destroying their fences destroys their livelihood. Would you prefer they starve to death?

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-17   12:47:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Dakmar (#11)

Actually fortifying the fences with lethal electricity would end up saving lives. You'd have a few people initially who'd ignore the postings and try to get over anyway, but not many. Once people realized it was lethal, they'd stop trying to get across. They keep trying (and dying in the deserts or in trucks) because they have HOPE of getting into the US against the odds. Remove the hope and more of them will actually survive. And do what they SHOULD DO. Which is to kill their ruling class and take over. That's what needs to happen down there. They need a Hugh Chavez. I say kill the ruling class as that's about the only way you're going to get change in Mexico with their thoroughly corrupt govt.

Incidentally, I understand that if you try to sneak into Mexico...they shoot you.

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-17   12:54:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: mehitable (#14)

"Actually fortifying the fences with lethal electricity would end up saving lives."

Bullshit. You are just recognizing the scope of the problem involved in stating a "kill them all" pie fight which this would indeed do. You are not dealing with dumb animals, these are human beings and deserve the same consideration for their lives as any other human being.

If such a fence went up, I would gladly be one of the many to head immediately down there with tools to destroy it. Such a fence would start something alright, but not what you think it would.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-17   13:00:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

If such a fence went up, I would gladly be one of the many to head immediately down there with tools to destroy it. Such a fence would start something alright, but not what you think it would.

And then what, you'll come and bust down my doors because I keep them locked, not sharing the food in my fridge with any and all who pass by?

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-17   13:03:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#26. To: Dakmar (#20)

They are passing through private property and subject to prosecution for criminal trespass. If they stop and invade a man's home and castle that is a different thing altogether. There is much case law that recognizes immediate jeopardy in those situations.

Immediate jeopardy does not exist in a sneak attack on your automobile tires, or in crossing the border to head for a possible job. You can detain, but not murder the violator of those laws out of hand, and this is very much in accordance with accepted protocols for use of deadly force, something I received training in while on active duty.

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