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Title: Ranchers Add Ladders to Border Fences
Source: Tampa Bay Online/AP
URL Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie ... _LADDERS?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
Published: Jun 17, 2006
Author: LYNN BREZOSKY
Post Date: 2006-06-17 10:18:45 by Dakmar
Keywords: None
Views: 1149
Comments: 55

FALFURRIAS, Texas (AP) -- A few Texas ranchers tired of costly repairs to cattle fences damaged by illegal immigrants have installed an easier route over the U.S.-Mexican border - ladders.

"It's an attempt to get them to use the ladders instead of tearing the fences," said Scott Pattinson, who owns one of a group of ranches known as La Copa.

La Copa is just south of a U.S. Border Patrol highway checkpoint that went up 75 miles from the border several years ago, sending migrants through the brambly scrub of nearby ranches instead.

Some immigrants walk for hours or days to skirt the checkpoints in temperatures hovering around 100 degrees. Their feet have worn visible paths through a forest of cactus and mesquite otherwise thick enough to conceal them from Border Patrol helicopters overhead and agents only a few hundred yards away.

The paths lead from one ripped-down section of fencing to another. Texas ranches can be so large it could be days before owners notice the hole in the fence, long after the livestock possibly escapes.

Paul Johnson protects his 2,700-acre exotic game ranch of zebras, scimitar-horned oryx and wildebeests with about 10 miles of high wire fence, and joined his neighbors in placing ladders along the way.

But apparently some immigrants think the ladders are too good to be true.

"They ignore it a lot," Johnson said. "They're afraid that they're monitored by the Border Patrol."

Johnson plans to take the ladders down, worried about the message he's sending.

"I think what it does is give a signal that we are wanting them to cross there, don't mind the crossing, and that kind of magnifies the problem," he said.

Rancher Michael Vickers never liked the ladder idea and instead has ringed his fence with 220 volts of electricity.

"I've had a dose of it myself, it's not fun," he said. "That's just my attitude, why make it easier for them to trespass?"

© 2006 The Associated Press.

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#5. To: Dakmar (#0)

Electricity is the way to go. Up the voltage.

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-17   12:19:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mehitable (#5)

I suspect it won't be long before they drag his ass off to prison and give his ranch to some dumbass who got injured.

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-17   12:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Dakmar (#6)

Maybe so, but you've got to make a stand somewhere. Otherwise, they're just gonna run you off your land in the long run anyway. I say, up the voltage to lethal and fry 'em. They wouldn't be able to press charges, so it would put the US govt in the position of pressing charges on their behalf. Lethal is the way to go.

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-17   12:26:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mehitable (#7)

Nothing they do deserves the death penalty. Period. You are foolish for even going there, but I'm glad you do because it is very revealing about much the problem with the mindset vilifying Mexicans in such a distorted and out of context manner.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-17   12:31:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#8)

Nonsense. They are foreign invaders - both invading into THIS country and destroying people's private property and endangering their welfare. I have no problem with killing an invader. That's why we have an army. I would say the same thing if it were happening on the Canadian side of the border. The fact that they are Mexican is irrelevant to me.

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-17   12:36:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mehitable (#9)

There is a protocol that should never be violated in regards to the use of deadly force. If someone is directly threatening you with harm or home entry where you are unarguably in fear of your life that is one thing.

But people passing through private property who are demonstrably by virtue of having done this for quite some time can be detained and prosecuted for trespassing, but not murdered out of hand.

I traded posts with one character who thinks Waffen SS-like death teams should fan out and murder Mexicans like the Nazis did to the Jewish people in a new "Crystalnacht," (the night of the shattered glass). But I do not support such fascistic tactics or utter disregard for human life.

I say anyone murdering another in cold blood are subject to be stopped if it takes their deaths to stop their murderous intent. That is part of the protocol of the use of deadly force too, that those committing murder risk death themselves if they do not put down their weapons and cease and desist in acts of cold blooded murder.

Most Mexicans are decent, hard working people and are not inhuman vermin. Killing on the border or in country has an awful fuzzy line and if you start doing one the other would quickly ensue.

Then the rest of our reputation and any good feeling for us in the international community would be wiped away along with that Bush has destroyed. You are very wrong in your position and it demonstrates much the flaws in he scapegoating of Mexicans rather then going after the real criminals; those high level business and political leaders who enticed them in in the first place to pit them against the American worker to destroy his or her income and standard of living.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-17   12:51:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ferret Mike (#12)

But people passing through private property who are demonstrably by virtue of having done this for quite some time can be detained and prosecuted for trespassing, but not murdered out of hand.

The problem is that they are not being prosecuted.

I need my car to get to work. If some idiot decided to slash my tires some night, I'll call the police. After twenty nights of it happening with nothing being done I would be justified in killing them, as it's either them or me.

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-17   13:00:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Dakmar (#17)

Bad analogy, and if you did murder someone who did not put you in immediate jeopardy of your life, you are liable for prosecution and to be quite successfully sued in civil court.

Human life is worth more then property. Period.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-17   13:02:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

Without property and property rights, human life becomes pretty meaningless. If my constant depradations across your border leave you in constant fear, and your property constantly damaged, which you have to repair, or replay, and which threaten your very livelihood, then why the hell should I have any respect for YOUR rights? these illegals have NO RESPECT for the rights of the people they trespass upon. You're creating a totally one way street here,and that is inherently UNFAIR.

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-17   13:05:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mehitable (#22)

"You're creating a totally one way street here,and that is inherently UNFAIR."

A lethal electric fence and the murder of unarmed people trespassing property to move through it is a slippery slope that should never be walked out on.

It starts a chain of events starting with the authorities removing the fence and going - rightfully so - after you for creating a deadly hazard to human life.

If it was allowed by the authorities, people who hate Mexicans for whatever reason would feel empowered to lynch them with rope of gun, and those of us who do not like fascistic murder would then be forced to defend the principle of the sanctity of human life to stop them anyway we could if the authorities did not move to stop the bloodshed.

You are very wrong in your approach to the problem of illegal immigration in looking for quick and easy answers like murdering unarmed people. You should heed the lessons the German and Italian Fascists learned when they did much the same thing for similar rationalizations.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-17   13:18:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ferret Mike (#28)

So you recognise the right of illegal trespassers to earn a living, but not for law-abiding citizens?

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-17   13:20:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Dakmar (#29)

I respect human life, and that is the point being argued. I have lost my job in the woodlands of the Northwest and my last employer is hurting financially so they dumped me because of my high wage and has several illegal Mexicans in their employment.

I do not support the use of illegal entry of foreign nationals to make richer people richer and more powerful at my expense. But I do not believe in scapegoating the other guy exploiting the bad situation created by the greedy people on top economically and politically.

I am going after Portland Saturday Market legally. I would like a solution to this problem too. But I have a sense of perspective that human life and dignity are not to be thrown out the window in this issue.

I see those who started this problem as hoping the fight stays between those fighting for the job and wants scapegoating of Mexicans to take the heat off of them.

Many Mexicans I worked with in thew woods and at Portland Saturday Market are still my friends and acquaintances. That doesn't change as I respect human life. But if they lose these jobs because of an increasing crackdown regarding their being hired and employed, that's how it goes.

Many of them would have much my view and would not blame those who got their jobs or job opportunity back and take it to a blood thirty personal level as you are doing here. I say the answer is to politically and economically bloody those who started the problem despite their formidable power, as together we have move then they do if this is done in a cohesive and united fashion. Those being exploited and meant by the rich and powerful to be a scapegoat as well as a leverage to steal from you and me should never be murdered for the crimes of others.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-17   13:33:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike (#32)

If believing that a person has a right to defend their livelihood against the illegal actions of others makes me "bloodthirsty" in your eyes then so be it, I know otherwise. I agree that the politicians agree are the main problem, but that doesn't excuse one group victimizing another, no matter which direction we're talking. Destroying fences is economically devastating the ranchers, who stand to lose their livestock. What if those livestock start wandering the highways and cause several people to die in car accidents, is it still ok to destroy fences?

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-17   13:43:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Dakmar (#34)

I am speaking of a continuum of force, and killing someone for the destruction others do to fences is out of line and precipitates others acts of violence equally or worse in the disregard to human life as that you evocate.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-17   17:33:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#42. To: Ferret Mike (#38)

I am speaking of a continuum of force, and killing someone for the destruction others do to fences is out of line and precipitates others acts of violence equally or worse in the disregard to human life as that you evocate.

Aww, cry me a river Ferret, you're just as bad as the bots who used to imply my "fuck the police" outbursts were somehow related to sodomy.

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