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Title: Smithsonian removes electric-car exhibit
Source: SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER/AP
URL Source: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/natio ... 155AP_Electric_Car_Booted.html
Published: Jun 19, 2006
Author: n/a
Post Date: 2006-06-21 20:25:57 by Esso
Keywords: GM EV1, electric-car
Views: 179
Comments: 18

WASHINGTON -- Just weeks before the release of a movie about the death of the electric car from the 1990s, the Smithsonian Institution has removed its EV1 electric sedan from display.

The National Museum of American History removed the rare exhibit yesterday, just as interest in electric and hybrid vehicles is on the rise.

The upcoming film "Who Killed the Electric Car?" questions why General Motors created the battery-powered vehicles and then crushed the program a few years later. The film opens June 30th.

GM happens to be one of the Smithsonian's biggest contributors. But museum and GM officials say that had nothing to do with the removal of the EV1 from display.

A museum spokeswoman says the museum simply needed the space to display another vehicle, a high-tech SUV.

The Smithsonian has no plans to bring the electric car back on view. It will remain in a Suitland storage facility.

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Out of sight, out of mind. Move along, nothing to see here.

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#1. To: Esso (#0)

"Who Killed the Electric Car?"

You, me, Roger, and Jessica?

Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-21   20:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's nothing---check this out:

http://www.ntesla.org/index.php

Not only that, the Wright bros. plane was in a museum in England for forty years before it was placed in the AMERICAN smithsonian,

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2006-06-21   20:39:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is really sad - et tu, Smithsonian?

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-22   0:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is really sad - et tu, Smithsonian?

Did you see #2?

see also:

NIKOLA TESLA -- ERASED AT THE SMITHSONIAN ( or 3rd graders take on the Establishment )

http://www.freerepubl ic.com/forum/a37dbcdbd4a8a.htm

I did a search on the origins of the Smithsonian several years ago. There is no doubt in my mind that it was created to be an organ of disinformation and propaganda. Probably has also made some people very wealthy, since so much of the GOOD stuff goes into "storage". We are left with old vacuum cleaners, Julia Child's kitchen, and other junk.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-22   19:17:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks for posting that link. It is long past time for Tesla to get his due. Cool T-shirts on page 3!

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-22   19:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks for posting that link. It is long past time for Tesla to get his due. Cool T-shirts on page 3!

But we can't give him his due---he's a Serb.

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2006-06-22   22:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

GM happens to be one of the Smithsonian's biggest contributors. But museum and GM officials say that had nothing to do with the removal of the EV1 from display.

A museum spokeswoman says the museum simply needed the space to display another vehicle, a high-tech SUV.

While I was born at night, it wasn't LAST night.

The guy who made the film was on NOW last weekend. This film is pretty devastating. GM and the others didn't just take back all the electric cars (they were all leased, with no option to buy, although many tried), just to be sure, they had them all crushed. And just to be sure, they literally shredded the remains.

I got a ride in one of them one time. Amazing vehicles, fast as hell, and absolutely silent.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-06-22   22:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What's the hubbub over electric cars? They just move the polution from one place to another. Not only that, when you consider the line losses through sending that power from the generating station to your battery charger, they're not efficient either.

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2006-06-22   22:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There's a quantitative difference between the pollution released by a few thousand power plants and 300 million autombiles, trucks and buses. There's no question it would cut emissions by a LOT.

Your point is valid; with our population, pollution is inevitable. But electric cars would cut into it and combined with other steps, like reforestation and so on, we could cut pollution at least in half.

Who Killed the Electric Car? delivers a lot of data on this subject, as does Gore's film. The earth is pretty good at healing itself, and a significant reduction in pollution would give it what it needs. But there has to be the reduction, by whatever means.

Most of us will only suffer mild inconveniences from global warming. Those who live on the coasts and places with little water will really suffer. But our grandchildren will REALLY suffer if this keeps up. Imagine a world where water costs more than gasoline. It could happen.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-06-22   22:38:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

OOPS ! Typo ... They meant Electric "CHAIR" Exhibit.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

Samuel Adams ... and I concur !

noone222  posted on  2006-06-22   22:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There's a quantitative difference between the pollution released by a few thousand power plants and 300 million autombiles, trucks and buses. There's no question it would cut emissions by a LOT.

I would hazard a guess that the emissions from a modern automobile are cleaner than what's coming out of the stack at the power plant. If I have a 100 H.P. gasoline powered car then I have 100H.P. under the hood and minus gear train losses I'll get most of that to the wheels. If I have a 100 H.P. electric motor run by batteries I have to store the equivalent in K.W. in those batteries. That is going to come from the Generating station. If I transmit 100 H.P. worth of power from the station to you, you won't receive 100H.P. due to losses in transmission lines (resistance), therefore I will have to transmit MORE than 100 hp to satisfy your demand. Besides that, todays batteries leave much to be desired as well. So, as I see it you would be making more pollution, it just wouldn't be in the city.

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2006-06-22   23:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They just move the polution from one place to another.

The pollution created by powerplants would be only 2% of what is produced by internal combustion engines in vehicles. Economy of scale comes into play.

Not only that, when you consider the line losses through sending that power from the generating station to your battery charger, they're not efficient either.

The efficiency of the electrical grid is on the order of 95%, inefficiency is induced on the users end, the most inefficient use being incandescent light bulbs, which are only about 10% efficient, 90% of the energy is dissipated as heat.

At best, ICEs are only about 15% efficient, and develop their torque in a very narrow range, where electric motor efficiency is close to 100%, while delivering full torque over its entire RPM range.

On a cost basis, the EV1 delivered the equivalent of about 200 MPG with virtually no maintenance over the life of the vehicle.

Esso  posted on  2006-06-22   23:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

At best, ICEs are only about 15% efficient, and develop their torque in a very narrow range, where electric motor efficiency is close to 100%, while delivering full torque over its entire RPM range.

If you want to talk efficiency we could use the reciprocating steam engine-- maximum torque at zero RPM. Lets see you electric motor do that. I think you'll find that the average gas engine today is about 30% efficient but I think that's a false analogy. In an electric car, the motor would be more akin to the gear train as the battery is where the power comes from.

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2006-06-22   23:26:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you want to talk about a real G.M. scandal check out how they talked San Francisco out of their electric trolleys and sold them on deisel busses.

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2006-06-22   23:41:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The efficiency of the electrical grid is on the order of 95%, inefficiency is induced on the users end, the most inefficient use being incandescent light bulbs, which are only about 10% efficient, 90% of the energy is dissipated as heat.

At best, ICEs are only about 15% efficient, and develop their torque in a very narrow range, where electric motor efficiency is close to 100%, while delivering full torque over its entire RPM range.

On a cost basis, the EV1 delivered the equivalent of about 200 MPG with virtually no maintenance over the life of the vehicle.

What he said. It's a lot easier to put scrubbers on a few thousand power stations than hundreds of millions of cars, trucks and buses.

The maintenance issue is, according to the movie, the real reason they killed the car, along with pressure from the oil industry. But the car industry makes its money not on the cars, but supplying the parts and service to repair cars.

The electric car has virtually no moving parts.

Which reminds me of a story. When I was about five, I for some reason put two batteries into a roller skate clamp and noticed they heated up. So I got out a shoe box, put sticks through it and attached the roller skate wheels, then dropped the "engine" into the box and waited for it to drive away. The concept of drive train had not yet entered my ken.

It was not the last of my scientific experiments and I finally gave up and became a writer. But looking back, I might have been on to something.

I understand the skepticism about electric cars and so on. But we are starting to see energy created by kelp and sun, and the oil industry attacks it as a pipe dream. It's not, just hard to do and without funds.

Greg Palast, among others, has pointed out that there is no oil shortage, just oil quotas. As we get to $70 a barrel, there's all the oil you can eat. Alberta is suddenly RICH because their inefficient oil reserves are now financially viable. Montana is getting rich because its coal reserves are now financially viable. There's a theme here. Everyone is getting rich except the people who have to pay for energy.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-06-22   23:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Greg Palast, among others, has pointed out that there is no oil shortage, just oil quotas. As we get to $70 a barrel, there's all the oil you can eat. Alberta is suddenly RICH because their inefficient oil reserves are now financially viable. Montana is getting rich because its coal reserves are now financially viable. There's a theme here. Everyone is getting rich except the people who have to pay for energy.

See also:

History Of 'New Energy' Invention Suppression Cases

http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=28921

It's rather long, but well worth the read.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-23   12:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Typical power losses through the transmission grid are 7-8%

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2006-06-23   18:24:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

See also:

History Of 'New Energy' Invention Suppression Cases

http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=28921

It's rather long, but well worth the read.

Thanks, I forwarded the link to my work computer. Unfortunately, I have to leave early Sunday for a few days in Orlando, and that will give me something to look forward to.

Seriously, this oil crap is getting out of hand. We have more than enough to last for hundreds of years, but they always claim we are running out. Shell Oil, in 1955, put out a report that was used for decades that we would run out of oil by...2006. Instead, there's about 10 times as much oil out there as there ever was, and we are discovering reserves every single day. But the oil industry is not interested in selling oil at $10 a barrel. Which is about what it is worth.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-06-23   23:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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