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Title: White Supremacists Ratchet Up Anti-Hispanic Action As U.S. Immigration Debate Rages
Source: www.adl.org
URL Source: http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Extremism_72/4822_72.htm
Published: Jun 22, 2006
Author: staff
Post Date: 2006-06-22 12:38:17 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 3642
Comments: 192

New York, NY, May 24, 2006 … As the national debate over immigration continues to hold the national spotlight, neo-Nazis and white supremacists have ratcheted up their anti-Hispanic action, using everything from Internet video games to street demonstrations and other confrontational tactics in an effort to exploit the debate as a means to spread hate. Their goal is to draw new attention to their hateful notions about minorities and hopes for making America a nation for "Whites only."

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which monitors and reports on the activities of far-right extremists, has updated its online report, "Extremists Declare 'Open Season' on Immigrants" with new information showing that extremists continue to focus their energies on Hispanic hate-mongering through racist rhetoric, crude stereotypes, and threats of using violence to intimidate illegal immigrants.

"As we have gotten deeper into the discussion on immigration, the white supremacist movement has reinvigorated itself and closed ranks around the cause of fighting immigration and turning America into a nation for 'Whites only'", said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "The immigration debate has provided the perfect storm for America's white supremacist fringe to recruit, organize and sow the seeds of racial discord and hate."

On the Internet, right-wing extremists have championed video games such as "Border Patrol," where the aim is to shoot to kill Mexicans as they attempt to cross the border, and used their Web sites to spread hateful anti-Hispanic messages. In the real world, white supremacist leaders have organized protests and encouraged their followers to act violently against immigrants or anyone of Hispanic origin.

Anti-Hispanic Violence

ADL's report cites two recent incidents as the latest in a multi-year trend of increasing violence targeting Hispanics:

•A teenager was arrested in East Hampton, Long Island, on April 29 after he allegedly threatened a Hispanic teenager with a machete and chased a second teenager with a chain saw while shouting racial epithets. Described by classmates as a skinhead, the alleged perpetrator had posted to the Internet photographs of himself posing as a Nazi and adorning a shed with swastikas.

•David Henry Tuck, 18, and Keith Robert Turner, 17, were arrested and charged with aggravated sexual assault in the brutal April 22 attack of a teenage Hispanic high school student in Houston. The victim was beaten and sodomized with a plastic pipe from a patio umbrella, then kicked in the head with steel-toed boots.

White Supremacist Protests

In recent weeks, white supremacists have organized protests, rallies and other events across the country:

•In Seattle, Washington, and Las Vegas, Nevada, members of the neo-Nazi National Vanguard held anti-immigration protests on May 20. On its Web site, the National Vanguard declared that day to be a "day of protest against George W. Bush's plan to destroy America," calling the president's immigration proposals a "sellout of the nation."

•In Keene, New Hampshire, New England members of the Arkansas-based neo-Nazi group White Revolution held a self-described "anti-invasion" demonstration on May 7 to protest "the invasion of America by illegal non white hordes.'

•In Russellville, Alabama, members of the Alabama chapter of the Indiana-based National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan held an anti-immigration rally on May 6, yelling "Let's get rid of the Mexicans!" After the rally, the Klansmen burned a cross in a field outside of town.

•In Montgomery, Alabama, the neo-Confederate group League of the South and the Coalition against Illegal Immigration together organized an anti-immigration "Cinco de Mayo" demonstration on May 5. The event was promoted in the racist and anti-Semitic newspaper, "First Freedom."

•In Greenville, South Carolina, the racist Council of Conservative Citizens held an anti-immigration demonstration on April 29 in front of the offices of Republican Congressman Lindsey Graham, where they burned Mexican flags and displayed signs such as "More INS, Less IRS," "Vote for Pedro to Go Home," and "I Didn't Fight in Iraq for Illegal Aliens."

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#1. To: All, Yertle Turtle, christine, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Mind_Virus, Brian S, Jethro Tull, Tauzero, Bub, mugwort, Peetie Wheatstraw, HOUNDDAWG, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, tom007, aristeides, Eoghan, Diana, SKYDRIFTER (#0)

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“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   12:43:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ferret Mike, Yertle Turtle, christine, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Mind_Virus, Brian S, Jethro Tull, Tauzero, Bub, mugwort, Peetie Wheatstraw, HOUNDDAWG, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, tom007, aristeides, Eoghan, Diana, SKYDRIFTER (#1)

Yertle Turtle, christine, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Mind_Virus, Brian S, Jethro Tull, Tauzero, Bub, mugwort, Peetie Wheatstraw, HOUNDDAWG, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, tom007, aristeides, Eoghan, Diana, SKYDRIFTER

That's my ping list, minus Jethro Tull and Weasel Mickey.

Bringing the ADL to this joint is like bringing a squirt gun to a turkey shoot.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
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bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   12:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ferret Mike (#1)

cry me a river! like there's no anti-white agenda by the militant mexican groups ?? please...

Come Monday..

christine  posted on  2006-06-22   12:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#2)

Oops. My bad. Jethro's in the Weasel's list too.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   12:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: bluegrass (#2)

That's my ping list, minus Jethro Tull and Weasel Mickey.

and minus me.. :-(

Lady X  posted on  2006-06-22   12:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: bluegrass (#2)

"Bringing the ADL to this joint is like bringing a squirt gun to a turkey shoot."

So, are you saying it is a proprietorial list? You should be flattered sweet boy, not pissy.

This forum is open to posting of articles, news releases, and many contributions from everywhere. Why don't you settle down, unruffled those tail feathers, grab another cup of morning coffee and enjoy the first day of summer? ;-)

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   12:55:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#3)

You miss the point, doll.

It's ok for them to be anti-white. That's them showing pride in what they is.

Whites are just extremists and hatemongers for complaining about literal alien invasions.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   12:56:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ferret Mike (#6)

are you saying it is a proprietorial list?

Not in the least. You're more than welcome to any info I put on this board.

It only proves, yet again, that you ADL types are unthinking leeches that are incapable of doing your own footwork.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   12:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Lady X (#5)

My bad. You're on it now.

Am I forgiven?

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   13:00:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

The Minutemen project held a demonstration in Los Angeles. When the illegal aliens saw the several black men demonstrating against amnesty, they responded the most vile racial insults imaginable against the black men.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2006-06-22   13:00:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: bluegrass (#9)

Am I forgiven?

Hmmmmmm...okay..:-)

Lady X  posted on  2006-06-22   13:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Horse (#10)

Blacks have been really screwed by the illegal invasion. Many of them are now having trouble getting ANY kinds of jobs, and they've fallen to the bottom of the preferred minority list. The libs don't love them anymore. I think it's terrible that Black Americans who have fought for their rights for several centuries should take the back seat to people who aren't even citizens. It's disgusting.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-22   13:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: bluegrass (#7)

There is a problem with illegal immigration. But the people high on the food chain in terms of economic and political power are the people that should be the targets. They were the ones who enticed people in to destroy the job base and living standard of people here.

And they count on people being far too intimidated by their money and power to go after them, they want people to focus on a scapegoat.

The Mexicans are an easy and vulnerable target.

White Supremacist and Nationalist vultures know a good wedge issue and scapegoat when they see one and have been feasting as the carcass of the issue for quite some time now.

I monitor hate sites and one would have to be blind not to see how they focus into the possibilities with laser precision.

Mexicans and the citizens of the United States are being used by a group that should be a common enemy. The anti-immigration advocacy's greatest weakness is to not remember Christian compassion for one's fellow human being and to show empathy and love for human life as well as a discipline and adherence to the standard of law being violated.

If they ever find their better side and use it along with their sense of respect for the law, the business leaders pitting one people against another will be concerned and start sweating rather badly.

That is what I want to see; those who started the whole thing have their heads on a pike over this, not the people being exploited in the issue.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   13:07:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Horse (#10)

The Minutemen project held a demonstration in Los Angeles. When the illegal aliens saw the several black men demonstrating against amnesty, they responded the most vile racial insults imaginable against the black men.

Yep - only whites can be "racists." Whatever that may mean today.

Lod  posted on  2006-06-22   13:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Horse (#10)

"The Minutemen project held a demonstration in Los Angeles. When the illegal aliens saw the several black men demonstrating against amnesty, they responded the most vile racial insults imaginable against the black men."

It is quite true that there is a problem with bigotry and hatred in both groups of people. I was displaced by Mexicans from working in the woods in the 1980s and I have been aware of the problem longer then many people.

I have seen both assholes and amigos when I worked with the growing influx of cheaper wage worker on the hill. I went through my period of anger and had my epiphany early when I studied the issue and realized both they and people like me were being used by a common enemy.

Creating decades long hate between the peoples of Mexico and our country is no answer to this problem. Along with an aggressive enforcement of immigration laws must come human understanding and compassion, flexibility and dialog.

There is a way for Mexicans and us to win and those who started the problem to lose. We can find the path and make this happen if we use both our hearts and minds in concert as a compass to guide us.

We do not need to hate each other to deal with the problem. We need to understand and respect each other to work together to find solutions to it that allow both groups to win, and those playing Machiavellian games with us to lose.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   13:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike (#1)

Nice dove.


Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-22   13:20:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ferret Mike (#15)

Are you in favor of open borders?

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-22   13:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lodwick (#14)

"Yep - only whites can be "racists." Whatever that may mean today."

Nope, all peoples are subject to suffer from that affliction. Just as all nations are susceptible to the systemic insidious disease of fascism.

I was married to a Black woman for several years and we had a son together. I met plenty of Negroes who suffered from racism. And I've been called not so nice things by Mexicans I've worked with too, as well as made enduring friends.

We as human beings must remember our strongest weapons are kindness and the power to forgive people for their trespasses. Our abilities to dehumanize and hate only compound and deepen our problems. We must at all cost avoid making those kinds of mistakes.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   13:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

We as human beings must remember our strongest weapons are kindness and the power to forgive people for their trespasses. Our abilities to dehumanize and hate only compound and deepen our problems. We must at all cost avoid making those kinds of mistakes.

Agree - well said.

Lod  posted on  2006-06-22   13:25:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mehitable (#17)

"Are you in favor of open borders?"

We need border control if that is what you mean. I want the borders open enough so we can share with each other, but we obviously need better enforcement of who stays and to define better the whys we decide who stays or goes.

I don't know what border enforcement dynamic will work mehitable. I do know that a border with an apartheid wall in the spirit of the evil edifice the Israelis so foolishly built is a monument to hatred and perpetuates the problems that it was meant to address.

If both the Mexican and American people work together to come to accord on the problem, I have faith that we will find they have been amicable to a solution that works for both our peoples all along.

It takes putting aside fear and hatred to do this. We have to be willing to acknowledge our mutual aspirations, hopes for the future of ourselves and our children and a willingness to help each other better ourselves to find common ground and to good neighbors and friend.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   13:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Tauzero (#16)

"Nice dove."

Thanks. And I enjoy reading your posts, even if we should disagree sometimes on some issues. ;-)

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   13:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike (#13)

But the people high on the food chain in terms of economic and political power are the people that should be the targets.

The ADL/B'nai B'rith falls into that camp.

I monitor hate sites

http://adl.org is the premier "hate site".

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   13:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

It's always good to keep abreast of the enemy's words.


Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-22   13:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ferret Mike, all (#20)

I want the borders open enough so we can share with each other

Mike, that's a total pile of crap. I don't want to share anything with the Mexicans and I seriously doubt they want to share anything with me. In fact, if you try to sneak into Mexico illegally, they shoot you - as they SHOULD. It's very difficult to immigrate into Mexico legally - they have all kinds of hoops to jump through and that is correct and right.

Again - there is NOTHING I want to share with the Mexicans. Yes, I know they're going through hard times since NAFTA came about. The answer is to repeal NAFTA. The answer is for them to take back Mexico from Vincente Fox and the other white crooks who are running it - George Bush's friends - and put their OWN people into power.

I know the corporatists are using the Mexicans, and I think the corporatists should be executed frankly, as traitors to this country. I am beyond fines and all this bullshit. I want action.

Sunday my boyfriend and me once again went to yet another state park in Massachusetts in a remote rural area hoping to find that unlike other state parks we've been to in the past couple of years, that it would not be overrun by Hispanics. Well we got there and sure enough about 80% of the crowd were Hispanics. And by GOd, they were totally obnoxious. They don't come in small groups - they come in the car loads. They don't respect the space of others at all. They were obnoxius towards us, and once again I had the sense of being a minority and under siege by a foreign people IN MY OWN COUNTRY.

I don't give a fuck about the Mexicans. I want them to go back home. I don't like them, I don't need them, I don't want them, and they have no purpose in being here. I know goddam well, they have the same opinion of us and they will not hesitate to drive us out if they get the opportunity. If you don't understand that you, have been brainwashed by this kumbayah shit or you're as thick as a plank.

Sorry, Mike, you seem like a nice guy, but you're totally wrong on this issue.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-22   13:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: bluegrass (#8)

"It only proves, yet again, that you ADL types are unthinking leeches that are incapable of doing your own footwork."

Heh, I am not ADL, thanks. And I thought you on that list would find the piece interesting and I wanted to here what you had to say about it.

You are most welcome to add my name to your list as I read what you post when I see it anyway. A ping list is not merely a collection of like minds, it should be one of common interests, even if those on it do not see eye to eye.

I didn't know it would anger you so to see me use it. I apologize for angering you in that fashion if that helps. But I don't for using it.

I have a list after a fashion, but have never really been in the practice of using one consistently enough to be motivated to make one that is all purpose.

I started posting in the Well and on http://Time.com/Politics which was a large board unto the AOL merger with http://Time.com caused it's demise in April 2001.

I still use one of my first account names, Ferret Mike. Though my first one was Hob which is the term for a male ferret. ('Hobbb' on http://Time.com as they required five character in a nick.) Before I did that I was a chronic mIRC poster and have done this sort of stuff online for over a decade now.

I cut my teeth on a different sort of posting culture then those who started out on Free Republic, and ping lists were new to me when I first joined that forum in 1998.

In any event, I hope that explains better where I come from in terms of board culture and attitudes I may have concerning ping lists and how they differ from yours' and why.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   13:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Tauzero, Ferret Mike, mehitable, christine, Horse, Lady X, lodwick (#16)

Nice dove.

Its hosting site is quite apropos. Has the ADL ever called Trotsky and the rst of the murdering thieves to account?

Note the group that met Trotsky at the pier. Hebrew Sheltering and Immigrant Aid Society (now HIAS) and the ADL are old buddies.


Trotsky the "peace preacher"

EXPELLED FROM FOUR LANDS, Pacifist Editor Here from Russia, Germany, France and Spain

New York Times, Jan. 15, 1917, pg. 2

Leon Trotzky, a Russian Journalist and Socialist, arrived yesterday from Cadiz on the Spanish liner Montserrat after being expelled from Europe for preaching peace. He said that he was a follower of Karl Marx, the German Socialist, and had represented Jewish newspapers in Petrograd and Kiev.

Through Arthur Concors of the Hebrew Sheltering and Immigrant Aid Society, who met him at the pier, Mr. Trotzky said that on account of his writings he had been sentenced to serve two years' Imprisonment In Siberia in 1900. In 1900 he had a similar sentence, making four years altogether. Part of his imprisonment was spent at Tobolsk.

When the German Emperor declared war in August, 1914, Trotzky was In Berlin editing a Jewish paper. There hours were given to him in which to leave the capital with his family and start for the Swiss frontier. He reached Zurich safely, and after remaining there a few weeks left for Paris, where he published a Socialist paper printed in Russian, Our Words, in which he opposed war bitterly and advocated peace.

The French Government ignored him until April, 1916 when the Russian troops commenced to arrive at Marseilles to act as a reinforcement in the rear of the French lines at Verdun, numbering altogether about 65,000. When the Russian Ambassador in Paris discovered through his secret service agents that the socialistic paper, Our Words, advocating peace, was being circulated among the Czar's troops In France, he communicated with the French Minister of the Interior and requested that the publication be suppressed. Trotzky was ordered to leave France, and was escorted to the Spanish frontier and went to Madrid, where he was arrested as a Socialist and locked up for three days.

After his release the Russian journalist said he went to Seville, and remained there until three weeks ago, when he was arrested by a Sergeant and two men of the Guardia Civile and taken to Cadiz, where he was detained until the Montserrat was ready to sail and then escorted to her by an armed guard.

Mr. Trotzky was accompanied by his wife and his two sons, Leon, 11 and Serge, 9

The 344 passengers on the Montserrat came from all parts of the world including Persia, Arabia, Croatia, Macedonia, Egypt, Madagascar, India and Formosa, as well as the principal European countries.


"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   13:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

I didn't know it would anger you so to see me use it.

It takes a lot more than that to make me angry. I said you're welcome to use it.

I am not ADL, thanks.

Yuh right. Pardon my skepticism.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   13:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mehitable (#24)

"Sunday my boyfriend and me once again..."

Oh my... I am taken aback. No offense, but I had thought you were male. :-O

Thanks for relating some of your experience. But I don't think it represents the full scope of things as I know certain crowd dynamic do differ substantially from what you experience on a one on one basis with people.

I'm sure if you got to know many in that park in smaller groups or as single individuals you would have felt less intimidated, they would be more respectful and you would find you had more in common with each other then you thought.

When I was on Guam as a serviceman, we were warned not to go to beaches that were predominantly Chimorro/Guamanian. The Japanese took over one fifth of the Island when they invaded expelling the owners. When we invaded and kicked the Japanese out, we established Guam as a U.S. territory and assumed control over every hectare of that land the Japanese took ownership of pissing off the people there royally.

They think of us as the invader there and many deeply resent our presence and role on that and other Mariana Islands. The oldest Christian Church in Asia is on Guam. It stands a ruin and in reconsecrated to protest how U.S. Forces tortured Chimorros who wanted to return to the style of governance they had before the Japanese invasion.

We imposed the government there, with ours as the template, and as they had been invaded since the Spanish first came there and took control killing every male Chimorro on all Islands (Chimorros are half Spanish), they have a deep and abiding loathing for invasion and occupation.

So you see I do understand where you are coming from far better then you think. And my views of the problem are deeply tempered my my deep understanding that we can ourselves be just as bad as any overwhelming influx of foreign nationals as we have proved this on Guam and elsewhere in the past.

I still say the problem is best solved with focus on the strengths of our better attributes then to be seduced by the angers and frustrations that bring out the worst in us or any other people.

Good post by the way, Thanks. ;-)

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   14:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: bluegrass (#27)

"It takes a lot more than that to make me angry. I said you're welcome to use it."

I'm glad. It takes allot to anger me. Posting and political activism has given me a thick skin. And thanks for the use of the list.

As for your skepticism, that is your baggage, not mine. I do not belong to their organization, nor are we working in concert.

You are welcome to believe what you like, but for the record you are very wrong. ;-)

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   14:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ferret Mike (#29)

As for your skepticism, that is your baggage, not mine.

You walk like a duck. You quack like a duck. Please don't try and tell me you're a dove.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   14:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#29)

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" works just fine in this situation, would you not agree?

Press 1 for English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2006-06-22   14:15:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Ferret Mike, all (#28)

I'm sure if you got to know many in that park in smaller groups or as single individuals you would have felt less intimidated, they would be more respectful and you would find you had more in common with each other then you thought.

I totally disagree with that. I've grown up Hispanic peoples, but not in this volume of course, and I frankly dislike them. I find them rude and obnoxious and very controlling and domineering. I find, as individuals and groups, they DO indeed take over and want things their way, and they don't hesitate to try to bring that about. Moreover, what individuals may or may not be like is totally irrelevant in this argument - I am talking about the CULTURAL behavior of people in groups, because we ARE talking about large groups of people invading our country. Their cultural behavior and norms are FAR more important than personal or individual differences among them. Culturally, they are extremely aggressive. If we try this kumbayah shit on them, they won't behave as tolerant and easy going as we're supposed. They will take over. I am seeing that again and again, both as an individual (me) and in relations to large areas such as towns and cities. We know have entire towns and good parts of cities in Massachusetts - which has no natural border or is not near ANY Hispanic country at all - that are mainly Spanish speaking.

I RESENT THIS. I WANT THEM TO LEAVE. I DON'T LIKE THEM. I KNOW THEY WILL TRY TO CROWD ME OUT. You're a fool if you believe otherwise.

The Red Coats are comin', Mike, and they're not going to play tea party with us. They think we're a bunch of damn fools who can't or won't protect our own property, rights or country. And they are correct.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-22   14:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: All (#32)

I am so angry and outraged about this invasion, which is grossly apparent to me whenever I go to a public place in Massachusetts now that I am having trouble typing. Please excuse the typos.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-22   14:18:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: bluegrass (#30)

"You walk like a duck. You quack like a duck. Please don't try and tell me you're a dove."

Heh, And what does a blind man think an elephant is at first encounter with one? You are showing that a weakness of yours is the propensity to make assumptions on too little evidence, nothing more.

By the way because of the university I went to, I am very much a Duck fan, and proud of it too by the way. ;-)

As for a dove, I am indeed one, in the sense of the old appellations of Dove dove for those who prefer peace, and hawk for those who support a more proactive use of the military in the realm of foreign affairs.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   14:27:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mehitable (#33)

Typos are progress. Get angry enough, and you might not be able to type.

Then what? /:|


Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-22   14:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Tauzero (#35)

heh heh...believe me, you don't want to see an angry mehitable. Remember that T-Rex in Jurassic Park? Well, that's me on a smaller scale, LMAO....

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-22   14:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mehitable (#32)

"I RESENT THIS. I WANT THEM TO LEAVE. I DON'T LIKE THEM. I KNOW THEY WILL TRY TO CROWD ME OUT. You're a fool if you believe otherwise."

I hear your loathing and your fear, there is no need to yell to get it across, thanks. You are not a fool, and neither an I, we do disagree on aspects of this issue though.

"The Red Coats are coming', Mike, and they're not going to play tea party with us. They think we're a bunch of damn fools who can't or won't protect our own property, rights or country. And they are correct."

You are projecting these fears and loathing as you put words into their mouths. Again, thanks for your opinion, but I disagree, we have more in common then differences s human beings.

I also might mention that though I am in Oregon, I was born and raised in Connecticut. Clinton, Ct. exit 63 on I-95 between Old Saybrook and New Haven.

I know exactly what Red Coats are, and Mexicans are in no way shape and form like King George III's army. ;-)

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   14:37:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mehitable (#36)

heh heh...believe me, you don't want to see an angry mehitable. Remember that T-Rex in Jurassic Park? Well, that's me on a smaller scale, LMAO....

Eat me, baby....

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-06-22   14:37:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

the ADL is one of the most racist, agendized organizations out there.

they have zero credibility. i wouldn't believe them if they told me the sun shines in the daytime.

'We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion, or to a non-existent authority, on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the future.' ~ Wilhelm Reich

gengis gandhi  posted on  2006-06-22   14:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ferret Mike (#34)

And what does a blind man think an elephant is at first encounter with one?

Problem with metaphor: I'm not blind, Mickey.

You are showing that a weakness of yours is the propensity to make assumptions on too little evidence, nothing more

You praise the ADL. You "monitor" "hate sites". Everyone's a hater and a racist and a whatever, except for the ADL.

I've been down this road many times with self-appointed commissars.

As for a dove, I am indeed one

Then start walking and talking like one. The ADL advocates mass murder and always has.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   14:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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