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Title: White Supremacists Ratchet Up Anti-Hispanic Action As U.S. Immigration Debate Rages
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Published: Jun 22, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-06-22 12:38:17 by Ferret Mike
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New York, NY, May 24, 2006 … As the national debate over immigration continues to hold the national spotlight, neo-Nazis and white supremacists have ratcheted up their anti-Hispanic action, using everything from Internet video games to street demonstrations and other confrontational tactics in an effort to exploit the debate as a means to spread hate. Their goal is to draw new attention to their hateful notions about minorities and hopes for making America a nation for "Whites only." The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which monitors and reports on the activities of far-right extremists, has updated its online report, "Extremists Declare 'Open Season' on Immigrants" with new information showing that extremists continue to focus their energies on Hispanic hate-mongering through racist rhetoric, crude stereotypes, and threats of using violence to intimidate illegal immigrants. "As we have gotten deeper into the discussion on immigration, the white supremacist movement has reinvigorated itself and closed ranks around the cause of fighting immigration and turning America into a nation for 'Whites only'", said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "The immigration debate has provided the perfect storm for America's white supremacist fringe to recruit, organize and sow the seeds of racial discord and hate." On the Internet, right-wing extremists have championed video games such as "Border Patrol," where the aim is to shoot to kill Mexicans as they attempt to cross the border, and used their Web sites to spread hateful anti-Hispanic messages. In the real world, white supremacist leaders have organized protests and encouraged their followers to act violently against immigrants or anyone of Hispanic origin. Anti-Hispanic Violence ADL's report cites two recent incidents as the latest in a multi-year trend of increasing violence targeting Hispanics: •A teenager was arrested in East Hampton, Long Island, on April 29 after he allegedly threatened a Hispanic teenager with a machete and chased a second teenager with a chain saw while shouting racial epithets. Described by classmates as a skinhead, the alleged perpetrator had posted to the Internet photographs of himself posing as a Nazi and adorning a shed with swastikas. •David Henry Tuck, 18, and Keith Robert Turner, 17, were arrested and charged with aggravated sexual assault in the brutal April 22 attack of a teenage Hispanic high school student in Houston. The victim was beaten and sodomized with a plastic pipe from a patio umbrella, then kicked in the head with steel-toed boots. White Supremacist Protests In recent weeks, white supremacists have organized protests, rallies and other events across the country: •In Seattle, Washington, and Las Vegas, Nevada, members of the neo-Nazi National Vanguard held anti-immigration protests on May 20. On its Web site, the National Vanguard declared that day to be a "day of protest against George W. Bush's plan to destroy America," calling the president's immigration proposals a "sellout of the nation." •In Keene, New Hampshire, New England members of the Arkansas-based neo-Nazi group White Revolution held a self-described "anti-invasion" demonstration on May 7 to protest "the invasion of America by illegal non white hordes.' •In Russellville, Alabama, members of the Alabama chapter of the Indiana-based National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan held an anti-immigration rally on May 6, yelling "Let's get rid of the Mexicans!" After the rally, the Klansmen burned a cross in a field outside of town. •In Montgomery, Alabama, the neo-Confederate group League of the South and the Coalition against Illegal Immigration together organized an anti-immigration "Cinco de Mayo" demonstration on May 5. The event was promoted in the racist and anti-Semitic newspaper, "First Freedom." •In Greenville, South Carolina, the racist Council of Conservative Citizens held an anti-immigration demonstration on April 29 in front of the offices of Republican Congressman Lindsey Graham, where they burned Mexican flags and displayed signs such as "More INS, Less IRS," "Vote for Pedro to Go Home," and "I Didn't Fight in Iraq for Illegal Aliens."
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#70. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
Are you in favor of the Jewish state?
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in." You are four years older then I and I remember much the same historic time period. In many places people mix and get along just fine too. There is no need for White nationalism to fix what is not broken. The trend in places like NYC you cite today is not what it was in the Jim Crow days and as we get older, more mature as a people and a nation there will continue to be far less separation between people by that basis. Which is why it is a perfect wedge issue for racists to exploit in their desire to create a homeland with it's own laws against people who look different then they do. No thanks, I am too smart to buy into the hate and bait tactics of wedge issue politics.
Are you in favor of Holocaust denial to make it easier to get back to the business of exterminating Jews?
White nationalism? You really think that's my cause, my dream? What is it with you and forcing your values on others, can't you see that's just as heinous as giggling at people because they don't keep up with latest hairstyles? Tolerance should be expected. "Celebrating Diversity", on the other hand, sounds like a sales pitch for a product I bought at gunpoint.
Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!
Are you in favor of the Jewish state? Yes or no. Don't dodge it , dude.
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in." Don't dodge it , dude." I've answered it before Dude, and you know it. I know your game. And you know I know it too.
You didn't answer it with me. Are you in favor of the Jewish state? Yes or no? I know your game. I was onto you from the get-go, commissar.
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in." You don't say you didn't see the answer. You only prove you assume too much too easily and could not prove such bilge because it lacks truth and veracity to it.
I haven't seen dodges that clumsy since third grade recess.
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in." You still don't answer whether you saw the answer regardless of whether I was specifically addressing it to you.
You like getting paddled like that dog in the cartoon, don't you?
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in." The Artless Dodger. Ferrets are members of the weasel family.
You really think such an ad homenin attack hurts me? It makes you look bad, not me.
Actually, Mustilid. But as some FReepers over the years have mistaken these predators of burrowing animals as rodent, you are actually closer to their taxonomic nomenclature then most, congratulations. ;-D
Not at all. You appear used to looking foolish by not being able to answer a simple yes or no question.
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in." They stink up a house too.
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in." So does an intact tom cat. Ferrets are often descended as are other pet Mustilids. So what does the indirect ad homenim do beside show you have a weak argument to argue your point?
I've answer the question. You don't answer mine concerning whether you have seen it or not. Therefore your opinion concerning how I look is subjective as best.
I asked because I've never seen your opinion on the matter. Are you in favor of the Jewish State? Yes or no?
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in." You miss the point; there's no hate involved. People are free to live where they choose, with whom they choose. The result, post 40 years of "civil rights'? Harlem is black, Williamsburg is Hispanic, and Bay Ridge is white. It's freedom of association at work. Such is life.
It's people like you made daily two hour school bus trips for inner city students a reality. See how easy it is to sling accusations? What is it about people that want to be left alone bothers you so?
Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=27600&Disp=59#C59 "Recall that Zionists were the last supporters of Biko's murderers. You support the ADL, one of the heads of the Zionist hydra in America." Yes, there was indeed an unholy alliance between Israel and the South African Government of that era. The Israelis were instrumental in helping them bypass much of the weapons and military equipment embargo, and U.S. satellites picked up a "zoo animal," code word for nuclear test occurring in South Africa that undoubtedly was the test firing of an Israeli Nuclear weapon. I remember this well, and this was one of my earliest sources of frustration and anger at the government of Israel. As far as the ADL goes, I support Good work they have done just as I support Israel's right to exist. I have my criticism of both as well as my praise, which is why I found your comments in your ping to Christine so amusing. I loathe Bush and much of the co opting of the government by large trans- national corporations, but that doesn't mean I am anti-American and don't support the U.S. government when it does good things. Remember too I was in Special Forces in the United States Army and took part in the un-necessary and illegal invasion of Panama during Operation Just Cause under the auspices of GHW Bush's presidency as well. You haven't? They why was my answer directed to you then?
Why do you confuse the right to free association with the goals of White Nationalism to Balkanize the United States and destroy the U.S. Constitution?
Wanna live next to me?
White Nationalism is a form of social engineering, at least any effective version of it is. Why is it so many people are willing to relenquish their rights to big brother to stave off each and every days new boogeyman.
Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!
Eww, no! :)
Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!
Why do you confuse my understanding human nature with some sort of nazi hoo-ha?
Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!
You made a buried point about it 17 days ago (and not as the result of a direct question from me about Israel's "right" to exist). I suppose it speaks well of you that you recall your own words, though it took you awhile to do so. If it's ok to use force, land theft, murder and fraud to carve the Jewish state out of the Arab world, with all of the blood and turmoil that's accompanied it, I don't understand your inconsistent belief that others aren't allowed to do the same, but I suppose it's another manifestation of the racial and cultural supremacy that you espouse. For the record, I'm opposed to countries being carved out by Imperial force for special interests, whether it's based on racial, ethnic or any other arbitrary lines of division.
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in." I'm not going to do that at this point. I went to the trouble of reviewing the posting history on debates of this sort to refresh mt memory and I know you better so I will take your works in good faith you don't have that sort of agenda. I am merely making and empathizing the distinctions between the agendas of White nationalists and free association.
Well that is your opinion and mine is the creation of Israel in the aftermath of the Shoah is justifiable and my belief in the right of Israel to exist is a very very old and strong belief of mine I am not going to change. The Jewish people have suffered a broad spectrum of Anti-Semitic tactics and efforts to destroy, harass and harm them since the country disappeared centuries ago. In light of the six million Jews and other peoples who died due to the Nazi German genocide, it is logical to end a major vulnerability of the Jewish people and re-create Israel. They certainly have policies and beliefs I do not share and I have my strong dislike with aspects of current policies and past actions of their's I am less then happy with. I am even more deeply unhappy however with a continuation of the poison or anti- Semitism unabated from the days before World War II, and I would never ,ever drop my support of Israel's existence in large part because of it.
BTW, I had forgotten I had given this answer to you in particular, so I accept in good faith you did not remember the answer either.
Okay!
I have missed this great debate. My opinion is, during the 90s and earlier, many immigrants came over for work, went back when the season ended, then returned when the season started. Now, they can't go home, because the chances of getting back are really low. And now they need year round work, and have to bring their families here. Enforcement is working backwards. Economically, there is no question that big business is using immigrants to keep wages down. Just one example: roofers used to make big bucks, like $20 an hour back when that was a lot of money. Now roofers get about $10 an hour in a lot of areas, while the price of houses has skyrocketed. If you're a big homebuilder, you LOVE DOSE IMMIGRANTS. The blame put on immigrants is misplaced. Greedheads are luring them here by promising they won't check their papers and they will be able to work. Tyson always gets the blame, but there are thousands of businesses everywhere who deliberately attract immigrants. It's not an accident that Mexicans are flooding Illinois, Minnesota, North and South Carolina, Georgia, Arkansas, Tennessee and so on, after the big states like Texas and California. Yeah, there are jobs Americans will not do. For $4 an hour. When I was a kid, I worked as a dishwasher, which is a nasty, underpaid job. Now it's even worse, and there is no way I, if I was still 17, would take that job.
Nationalism is a form of social engineering.
It's kinda funny, but a friend of mine had to visit the emergency room and didn't feel like waiting 4 hours for service. He went to the Army surplus store and bought OD pants and shirt and put on a couple of patches he picked up earlier. When he walked into the ER it was surprising how many got up quickly and left. I guess they weren't really that sick. Here was the patch on his shirt. "To be nobody-but-yourself - in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can ever fight; and never stop fighting." E.E. Cummings
it is logical to end a major vulnerability of the Jewish people I agree with that in principle, leaving aside for the moment the complexities of precisely where that haven was created. Why do you confuse the right to free association with the goals of White Nationalism to Balkanize the United States and destroy the U.S. Constitution? Leaving aside precisely where for the moment, would you consider it acceptable in principle for whites to form an explicitly white nation and state?
One of the first things I did when I moved to Oregon in the early 70s was help picket Safeway over their sale of iceberg lettuce to support Ceasar Chavez and the United Farm Workers Union. I agree, this problem is a complex one and guest workers have a necessary role. I also believe that opportunistic people have taken advantage of the situation for their own personal gain. My reforestation company employer had a difficult time finding contracts for tree p planting to win because companies with strict policies of hiring only illegals charged dirt cheap prices per acre to do the work. Some even underbid and lost money and used the contract as a vehicle to launder drug money which was especially hard to take. I made 17 to 20 dollars an hour planting. I was a high roller who planted near the lead of the formation. As the lead dog never got inspected a fast and uncaring planter with shitty quality always got that slot which used to aggravate me. I refused to lower my production quality for any reason, always planted good trees and never stashed wood (hid seedling to make me look faster then I was.) Mexicans always seemed to hate to be plucked (hit up for some seedlings in their bag when you ran out.) One amigo was so incensed once he threw the wet rooted bundle I asked for in my face and both of us got kicked of the hill that day for fighting. We went to the crummie (work vehicle) and soon forgot the anger and spent the time waiting for the return of the crew laughing, joking and smoking bud. With the advent of the day of Mexican planter, the refuge for the counter- culture planting was dried up. Wymen who had been able to plant topless had to start wearing bras and eventually quit the work. Mexican men had a hard time adjusting to the sight of that aspect of the work. I had my day of aggravation directed at the amigos in the 1980s when this displacement happened. As I realized that they were puppets and pawns in the game every bit as I was, I learned to look past that and direct my anger at the greedy ones exploiting them to screw up my income. I'm still a competent planter who is fast enough to plant the middle of the line or tail. Maybe I'll someday get to do this job I loved so much just one more time before I die. It was the only job I ever had where I could smoke a bowl in front of the Forest Service inspector and merely get asked how my day was going. I loved the freedom and being in the wild lands doing this work. I know for a fact that the old saw that Americans won't do this work is bullshit. If we got paid enough, it was a primo job. And I will always miss being on the Greenhill Reforestation Inc. Crew or the Hoedad Tree Planting Cooperative to my dying day. ;-)
Never in a million years.
I rather thought not, but thought I should ask for clarity's sake. But we should also clarify "acceptable". After all, in a system of individual freedom and freedom of association, there will always be some people that do things we ourselves don't find acceptable, but which we nevertheless tolerate, for the sake of freedom and self-determination. Would you tolerate the creation of an explictly white nation and state, leaving aside for the moment precisely where such a nation would be (except perhaps for the caveat that it be far away from you)?
No I wouldn't. I am deeply and profoundly aggravated by the use of Hitler, the Swazi, and other fascist trappings of White nationalists. Their hatefulness, flawed modus of thinking where everyone is to blame for their hatreds and intolerances but themselves along with the historical record of Manifest Destiny, The Doctrine of Discovery, the Crusades, Christian Identity Doctrine, and other trappings of this belief system is profoundly revolting to me. I see any White only state as a target. And would not be satisfied until such an entity was profoundly destroyed unconditionally. I see such people in deep denial concerning the deepness and extent of the wrongs such mindsets have produced. I see them always unwilling to be accountable for the bad Karma of previous White nationalist efforts of various sorts, and this is unacceptable to me.
That is the answer I expected. I appreciate your honesty.
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#71. To: Jethro Tull (#67)
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#72. To: bluegrass (#70)
"Are you in favor of the Jewish state?"
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#73. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
#74. To: Ferret Mike (#72)
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#75. To: bluegrass (#74)
"Yes or no.
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#75)
I've answered it before Dude, and you know it.
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#77. To: bluegrass (#76)
"You didn't answer it with me."
"I was onto you from the get-go, commissar."
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#78. To: Ferret Mike (#77)
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#79. To: bluegrass (#78)
"I haven't seen dodges that clumsy since third grade recess."
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#80. To: Ferret Mike (#79)
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#81. To: bluegrass (#78)
I haven't seen dodges that clumsy since third grade recess.
#82. To: bluegrass (#80)
"You like getting paddled like that dog in the cartoon, don't you?"
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#83. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#81)
"Ferrets are members of the weasel family."
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#84. To: Ferret Mike (#82)
You really think such an ad homenin attack hurts me?
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#85. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#81)
Ferrets are members of the weasel family.
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#86. To: bluegrass (#85)
"They stink up a house too."
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#87. To: bluegrass (#84)
"Not at all. You appear used to looking foolish by not being able to answer a simple yes or no question."
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#88. To: Ferret Mike (#87)
I've answer the question. You don't answer mine concerning whether you have seen it or not.
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#89. To: Ferret Mike (#71)
No thanks, I am too smart to buy into the hate and bait tactics of wedge issue politics.
#90. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull (#89)
No thanks, I am too smart to buy into the hate and bait tactics of wedge issue politics.
#91. To: bluegrass (#88)
#59. To: bluegrass (#53)
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#92. To: Dakmar (#90)
"What is it about people that want to be left alone bothers you so?"
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#93. To: Dakmar (#90)
#94. To: Ferret Mike (#92)
Why do you confuse the right to free association with the goals of White Nationalism to Balkanize the United States and destroy the U.S. Constitution?
#95. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
Wanna live next to me?
#96. To: Ferret Mike (#92)
Why do you confuse the right to free association with the goals of White Nationalism to Balkanize the United States and destroy the U.S. Constitution?
#97. To: Ferret Mike (#91)
As far as the ADL goes, I support Good work they have done just as I support Israel's right to exist.
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#98. To: Dakmar (#96)
"Why do you confuse my understanding human nature with some sort of Nazi hoo-ha?"
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#99. To: bluegrass (#97)
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#100. To: bluegrass (#97)
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
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#102. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#103. To: Dakmar (#94)
White Nationalism is a form of social engineering
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#104. To: Ferret Mike, All (#0)
#105. To: Ferret Mike, bluegrass (#98)
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#106. To: Mekons4 (#102)
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#107. To: Tauzero (#105)
"Leaving aside precisely where for the moment, would you consider it acceptable in principle for whites to form an explicitly white nation and state?"
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#108. To: Ferret Mike (#107)
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#109. To: Tauzero (#108)
"Would you tolerate the creation of an explicitly white nation and state, leaving aside for the moment precisely where such a nation would be (except perhaps for the caveat that it be far away from you)?"
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#110. To: Ferret Mike (#109)
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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