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Title: White Supremacists Ratchet Up Anti-Hispanic Action As U.S. Immigration Debate Rages
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Published: Jun 22, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-06-22 12:38:17 by Ferret Mike
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New York, NY, May 24, 2006 … As the national debate over immigration continues to hold the national spotlight, neo-Nazis and white supremacists have ratcheted up their anti-Hispanic action, using everything from Internet video games to street demonstrations and other confrontational tactics in an effort to exploit the debate as a means to spread hate. Their goal is to draw new attention to their hateful notions about minorities and hopes for making America a nation for "Whites only." The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which monitors and reports on the activities of far-right extremists, has updated its online report, "Extremists Declare 'Open Season' on Immigrants" with new information showing that extremists continue to focus their energies on Hispanic hate-mongering through racist rhetoric, crude stereotypes, and threats of using violence to intimidate illegal immigrants. "As we have gotten deeper into the discussion on immigration, the white supremacist movement has reinvigorated itself and closed ranks around the cause of fighting immigration and turning America into a nation for 'Whites only'", said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "The immigration debate has provided the perfect storm for America's white supremacist fringe to recruit, organize and sow the seeds of racial discord and hate." On the Internet, right-wing extremists have championed video games such as "Border Patrol," where the aim is to shoot to kill Mexicans as they attempt to cross the border, and used their Web sites to spread hateful anti-Hispanic messages. In the real world, white supremacist leaders have organized protests and encouraged their followers to act violently against immigrants or anyone of Hispanic origin. Anti-Hispanic Violence ADL's report cites two recent incidents as the latest in a multi-year trend of increasing violence targeting Hispanics: •A teenager was arrested in East Hampton, Long Island, on April 29 after he allegedly threatened a Hispanic teenager with a machete and chased a second teenager with a chain saw while shouting racial epithets. Described by classmates as a skinhead, the alleged perpetrator had posted to the Internet photographs of himself posing as a Nazi and adorning a shed with swastikas. •David Henry Tuck, 18, and Keith Robert Turner, 17, were arrested and charged with aggravated sexual assault in the brutal April 22 attack of a teenage Hispanic high school student in Houston. The victim was beaten and sodomized with a plastic pipe from a patio umbrella, then kicked in the head with steel-toed boots. White Supremacist Protests In recent weeks, white supremacists have organized protests, rallies and other events across the country: •In Seattle, Washington, and Las Vegas, Nevada, members of the neo-Nazi National Vanguard held anti-immigration protests on May 20. On its Web site, the National Vanguard declared that day to be a "day of protest against George W. Bush's plan to destroy America," calling the president's immigration proposals a "sellout of the nation." •In Keene, New Hampshire, New England members of the Arkansas-based neo-Nazi group White Revolution held a self-described "anti-invasion" demonstration on May 7 to protest "the invasion of America by illegal non white hordes.' •In Russellville, Alabama, members of the Alabama chapter of the Indiana-based National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan held an anti-immigration rally on May 6, yelling "Let's get rid of the Mexicans!" After the rally, the Klansmen burned a cross in a field outside of town. •In Montgomery, Alabama, the neo-Confederate group League of the South and the Coalition against Illegal Immigration together organized an anti-immigration "Cinco de Mayo" demonstration on May 5. The event was promoted in the racist and anti-Semitic newspaper, "First Freedom." •In Greenville, South Carolina, the racist Council of Conservative Citizens held an anti-immigration demonstration on April 29 in front of the offices of Republican Congressman Lindsey Graham, where they burned Mexican flags and displayed signs such as "More INS, Less IRS," "Vote for Pedro to Go Home," and "I Didn't Fight in Iraq for Illegal Aliens."
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#103. To: Dakmar (#94)
Nationalism is a form of social engineering.
It's kinda funny, but a friend of mine had to visit the emergency room and didn't feel like waiting 4 hours for service. He went to the Army surplus store and bought OD pants and shirt and put on a couple of patches he picked up earlier. When he walked into the ER it was surprising how many got up quickly and left. I guess they weren't really that sick. Here was the patch on his shirt. "To be nobody-but-yourself - in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can ever fight; and never stop fighting." E.E. Cummings
it is logical to end a major vulnerability of the Jewish people I agree with that in principle, leaving aside for the moment the complexities of precisely where that haven was created. Why do you confuse the right to free association with the goals of White Nationalism to Balkanize the United States and destroy the U.S. Constitution? Leaving aside precisely where for the moment, would you consider it acceptable in principle for whites to form an explicitly white nation and state?
One of the first things I did when I moved to Oregon in the early 70s was help picket Safeway over their sale of iceberg lettuce to support Ceasar Chavez and the United Farm Workers Union. I agree, this problem is a complex one and guest workers have a necessary role. I also believe that opportunistic people have taken advantage of the situation for their own personal gain. My reforestation company employer had a difficult time finding contracts for tree p planting to win because companies with strict policies of hiring only illegals charged dirt cheap prices per acre to do the work. Some even underbid and lost money and used the contract as a vehicle to launder drug money which was especially hard to take. I made 17 to 20 dollars an hour planting. I was a high roller who planted near the lead of the formation. As the lead dog never got inspected a fast and uncaring planter with shitty quality always got that slot which used to aggravate me. I refused to lower my production quality for any reason, always planted good trees and never stashed wood (hid seedling to make me look faster then I was.) Mexicans always seemed to hate to be plucked (hit up for some seedlings in their bag when you ran out.) One amigo was so incensed once he threw the wet rooted bundle I asked for in my face and both of us got kicked of the hill that day for fighting. We went to the crummie (work vehicle) and soon forgot the anger and spent the time waiting for the return of the crew laughing, joking and smoking bud. With the advent of the day of Mexican planter, the refuge for the counter- culture planting was dried up. Wymen who had been able to plant topless had to start wearing bras and eventually quit the work. Mexican men had a hard time adjusting to the sight of that aspect of the work. I had my day of aggravation directed at the amigos in the 1980s when this displacement happened. As I realized that they were puppets and pawns in the game every bit as I was, I learned to look past that and direct my anger at the greedy ones exploiting them to screw up my income. I'm still a competent planter who is fast enough to plant the middle of the line or tail. Maybe I'll someday get to do this job I loved so much just one more time before I die. It was the only job I ever had where I could smoke a bowl in front of the Forest Service inspector and merely get asked how my day was going. I loved the freedom and being in the wild lands doing this work. I know for a fact that the old saw that Americans won't do this work is bullshit. If we got paid enough, it was a primo job. And I will always miss being on the Greenhill Reforestation Inc. Crew or the Hoedad Tree Planting Cooperative to my dying day. ;-)
Never in a million years.
I rather thought not, but thought I should ask for clarity's sake. But we should also clarify "acceptable". After all, in a system of individual freedom and freedom of association, there will always be some people that do things we ourselves don't find acceptable, but which we nevertheless tolerate, for the sake of freedom and self-determination. Would you tolerate the creation of an explictly white nation and state, leaving aside for the moment precisely where such a nation would be (except perhaps for the caveat that it be far away from you)?
No I wouldn't. I am deeply and profoundly aggravated by the use of Hitler, the Swazi, and other fascist trappings of White nationalists. Their hatefulness, flawed modus of thinking where everyone is to blame for their hatreds and intolerances but themselves along with the historical record of Manifest Destiny, The Doctrine of Discovery, the Crusades, Christian Identity Doctrine, and other trappings of this belief system is profoundly revolting to me. I see any White only state as a target. And would not be satisfied until such an entity was profoundly destroyed unconditionally. I see such people in deep denial concerning the deepness and extent of the wrongs such mindsets have produced. I see them always unwilling to be accountable for the bad Karma of previous White nationalist efforts of various sorts, and this is unacceptable to me.
That is the answer I expected. I appreciate your honesty.
I guess Mike has never been to Mexico. If they had their way, there would be no White people in that country. I look at things this way. People of the world should be able to live, and freely associate with whomever they choose, with the exception of politicians, pedophiles, rapists, killers, gang bangers, and other riff raff. I'd like to have a perfect world, but unfortunately some people aren't ready to live in a civilized world. This is why some people would love to see a White Only country, Black Only country, brown only country, or yellow only country. The issue here isn't about getting along, it's about being able to associate with people who you choose. Some people prefer the company of people who are the same as them. I think people should be free to choose whatever life they want to lead, so long as it doesn't hurt people, or bother the rest of us. I don't really give a damn about race, what I care about is what my country will be like in 5 years. Will my country be the place that it is now, or will it be better if we are inundated with criminals? That is EXACTLY what the illegal alien problem is. A flood of criminals who are willing to STEAL in order to get what they WANT. They can get what they need in Mexico. What they WANT, is what we have in America. If they would work so hard to take back their own country from the usurpers who have destroyed it, they might actually have a nation that is the envy of the world. Instead, they're doing what they've always done. They're going to steal what they can, because why create your own prosperity, when you can steal it from someone else with a lot less effort.
White Nationalism is a form of social engineering
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#104. To: Ferret Mike, All (#0)
#105. To: Ferret Mike, bluegrass (#98)
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#106. To: Mekons4 (#102)
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#107. To: Tauzero (#105)
"Leaving aside precisely where for the moment, would you consider it acceptable in principle for whites to form an explicitly white nation and state?"
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#108. To: Ferret Mike (#107)
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#109. To: Tauzero (#108)
"Would you tolerate the creation of an explicitly white nation and state, leaving aside for the moment precisely where such a nation would be (except perhaps for the caveat that it be far away from you)?"
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato
#110. To: Ferret Mike (#109)
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#111. To: Tauzero, ferret mike (#110)
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#112. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#111)
I'd like to have a perfect world, but unfortunately some people aren't ready to live in a civilized world. This is why some people would love to see a White Only country, Black Only country, brown only country, or yellow only country. I think the Japanese would be amused to learn that they are not civilized. I don't really give a damn about race In a pickup game of shirts and skins, the skins are still wearing a uniform. what I care about is what my country will be like in 5 years. Will my country be the place that it is now, or will it be better if we are inundated with criminals? Well that's easy to fix. Just change the law to permit greater numbers and they will not be criminals, right? Why should the law be as it is, and enforced?
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#113. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#111)
You guess wrong.
"I guess Mike has never been to Mexico."
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato#114. To: Ferret Mike (#99)
It's never justified to commit a long injustice against innocents in an effort to right an injustice that happened on another continent. And that's just the Holocaust Museum in DC. We haven't even gotten into the Muslim and Christian innocents in Palestine that have been raped, murdered and had their land and livelihoods stolen. my belief in the right of Israel to exist is a very very old and strong belief of mine I am not going to change. I know that. I'll still laugh at you for it as I would any other fundamentalist true believer. How did the Zionist tie his shoes? With little...never mind. The Jewish people have suffered a broad spectrum of Anti-Semitic tactics and efforts to destroy, harass and harm them since the country disappeared centuries ago. Save that stuff for the fundraisers and the press releases. It's programming, not discussion. Most Jews were living in Greece and Egypt when Jerusalem was flattened by the Romans. ~20% of the population between Rome and Jerusalem were Jews of some type or another. They lost position, not a country. In light of the six million Jews Debatable, unless history is illegal in whatever country you debate it in. other peoples who died due to the Nazi German genocide, it is logical to end a major vulnerability of the Jewish people and re-create Israel. Brilliant. The "other peoples" get what out of the deal? And why are the Muslims and Christians in Palestine forced to pay for European sins? I am even more deeply unhappy however with a continuation of the poison or anti- Semitism unabated Your unhappiness is miniscule compared to the massively disproportionate Jewish influence that breeds "anti-semitism". These days, an anti-semite is defined as someone that's not a Judeophile.
Well that is your opinion and mine is the creation of Israel in the aftermath of the Shoah is justifiable
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#115. To: Ferret Mike, Tauzero (#109)
If Menachem Begin had continued to wear the brown shirt of Betar and do the fascist salute when he was Prime Minister of Israel, I wonder if the opprobrium would exist?
fascist trappings
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#116. To: bluegrass (#115)
If Muhammad had not tried to found a new religion and instead presented himself as the Jewish Messiah, they might have accepted him. After all, he did fit the description of their Messiah -- slaughter, war, try to conquer and enslave everyone. Too bad their real Messiah was the exact opposite.
If Menachem Begin had continued to wear the brown shirt of Betar and do the fascist salute when he was Prime Minister of Israel, I wonder if the opprobrium would exist?
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
#117. To: YertleTurtle (#116)
There's a reason that "stiff-necked" is such an old description that hasn't lost any relevance.
Too bad their real Messiah was the exact opposite.
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#118. To: bluegrass (#114)
Bullshit. The historical fact is incontrovertible. The game Holocaust deniers play is to cast aspersions on well documented fact with hide the peas in the shell verbiage to try to obscure it to justify a return to the good old days of pogroms against scapegoated Jewish people. The facts are in the way of effective use of a favorite wedge issue and you don't like it. Anti Shoah advocacy is an assault against the historic record to further an agenda of hatred. The fact you can't handle the truths your problem, not the world's.
"Debatable, unless history is illegal in whatever country you debate it in."
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato#119. To: YertleTurtle (#116)
Gee, that means allot coming from a fella that gets an orgasm looking at Adolf Hitler's picture.
"If Muhammad had not tried to found a new religion and instead presented himself as the Jewish Messiah, they might have accepted him. After all, he did fit the description of their Messiah -- slaughter, war, try to conquer and enslave everyone."
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato#120. To: bluegrass (#114)
Precisely my point concerning your game. It's a scripted program selling the snake oil of fascism and the bigotry of Jew baiting and hating.
"It's programming, not discussion."
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato#121. To: Ferret Mike (#119)
What I wrote is the truth. What you wrote is not.
Gee, that means allot coming from a fella that gets an orgasm looking at Adolf Hitler's picture
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
#122. To: YertleTurtle (#121)
I rebuted your sad foggy words trying to repair Hitler's image and you didn't answer that post because you couldn't. You counldn't because the facts go against the lie that Hitler had done good by the German people you had posted that I refuted.
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato#123. To: Ferret Mike (#122)
You refuted nothing. Usually I don't answer you because 99% of the time you don't know what you're talking about. By the way, nearly everyone here will agree with my opinion of you.
I rebuted your sad foggy words trying to repair Hitler's image and you didn't answer that post because you couldn't. You counldn't because the facts go against the lie that Hitler had done good by the German people you had posted that I refuted.
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
#124. To: YertleTurtle (#123)
Translation: You can't refute the historic facts I cited so you are vainly trying to declare victory and retreat. My opinion of your speaking for everyone else is zero hero. Cry me a river.
"You refuted nothing. Usually I don't answer you because 99% of the time you don't know what you're talking about."
"By the way, nearly everyone here will agree with my opinion of you.
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato#125. To: YertleTurtle (#123)
Go to the post and refute it if you think you can screw up the courage. You are a racist and a baiter and hater and talk of Mexicans as "as failed race as they should be." I call bullshit on you and say you are a failed interlocutor that doesn't have balls and runs from a verbal scrap.
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“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato#126. To: Ferret Mike (#99)
(2). The Jewish people have suffered a broad spectrum of Anti-Semitic tactics and efforts to destroy, harass and harm them since the country disappeared centuries ago. (3). In light of the six million Jews and other peoples who died due to the Nazi German genocide, it is logical to end a major vulnerability of the Jewish people and re-create Israel. (4). I am even more deeply unhappy however with a continuation of the poison or anti- Semitism unabated from the days before World War II, and I would never ,ever drop my support of Israel's existence in large part because of it. (1). Are you of the opinion that the State of Israel's legitimacy is based upon an alleged promise that God made to Abraham that is noted in Scripture ? (And are you an Ashkenazi Jew ?) (2). Right, there's been a worldwide conspiracy of bigots that have allowed the "persecuted" Jew into their country simply to further the persecution. Whaaa, every nation that has been forced to expel the Jew was wicked and the Jew was good. (3). Much evidence exists today demonstrating collusion between the hierarchy of Zionism and the Nazis that resulted in the deaths of lesser brethern Jews for the sake of establishing a State of Israel in which people that had no historic or ethnic relation to claim would be allowed to murder and kill innocents in order to establish the Terrorist State of Israel. I personally think they are one and the same, with similar beliefs and methods of operation. Zio-Nazis ! (4). Ashkenazi Jews descend from Japeth not Shem [Genesis 10:3]. Today, the Ashkenazi make up 92% or more of modern Jewry according to the Encyclopedia Judaica. The term semetic indicates descendancy from Shem. The Ashkenazi aren't even semetic ! The Ashkenazi were known as Khazarians and they converted to Judaism (Talmudism) in 750 AD. There is no proveable link between Abraham and the Ashkenazi Jews. Modern day Jews and Christians have been deceived by their respective leadership. 1st, the land was promised to 12 Tribes, not the interbred portion of one. 2nd. The Ashkenazi converted to Judaism long after the alleged promise was made to Abraham a descendant of Shem, not Japeth. And lastly, in a modern secular world, where a great deal of the international community embrace a variety of religious views based upon other texts than the Scriptures, it is beyond ludicrous to even imagine displacing through genocide a people that have lived in Palestine for thousands of years, based upon an unwitnessed promise made by an invisible God to a man that lived 4000 years ago. And here's the straw that breaks the camel's balls, this fraud we call the State of Israel is the creation of Lord Rothschild (you know the criminal banking cabal) and Lord Balfour ie., the Balfour Proclamation, and implemented by the godless UN ... any professing Christian that could think anything good would fall from this poison tree is in derision and should have DUFAS stamped on their knucklehead. Think on this factoid Christian soldiers ... why is there NEVER any mention of a SYNAGOGUE in the Old Testament. Because the religion conducted in a SYNAGOGUE was never practiced by the Israelites, but descended upon Jerusalem/Palestine from BABYLON after the 2nd Captivity. Why is the SYNAGOGUE described in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 as "THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN" ??? Wake up ! The State of Israel is central to the chaos that is intended to bring WW III into our living rooms. It is an artifice just like Rome and the Catholic Church, created to manage the masses and terrorize them to the benefit of the satanists ruling the planet.
(1). Well that is your opinion and mine is the creation of Israel in the aftermath of the Shoah is justifiable and my belief in the right of Israel to exist is a very very old and strong belief of mine I am not going to change.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams ... and I concur !
#127. To: noone222 (#126)
I highlighted the paragraph that describes the most compelling reason I support the existence of Israel. Without this state the Jewish people are cannon fodder against people like you whose anti-Semitism builds conspiracy theories and leverages genetic pedigrees to justify their use of the Jewish people as the scapegoat in their wedge issue building. To justify your racist aspirations for a White nationalist agenda of ethnic cleansing and even a separate state where the Constitution doesn't interfere with your demagoguery you need a focus to use to try to panic and scare people into accepting an agenda they normally wouldn't buy. The establishment was assured because people like you got in power in Germany and demonstrably showed what letting your anti-Semitism leads to if allowed to run it's full course. Six million people murdered by others like you call bullshit on your agenda of hating and baiting. ERETZ-ISRAEL [(Hebrew) - the Land of Israel, Palestine] was the birthplace of the Jewish people. Here their spiritual, religious and political identity was shaped. Here they first attained to statehood, created cultural values of national and universal significance and gave to the world the eternal Book of Books. After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom. Impelled by this historic and traditional attachment, Jews strove in every successive generation to re-establish themselves in their ancient homeland. In recent decades they returned in their masses. Pioneers, ma'pilim [(Hebrew) - immigrants coming to Eretz-Israel in defiance of restrictive legislation] and defenders, they made deserts bloom, revived the Hebrew language, built villages and towns, and created a thriving community controlling its own economy and culture, loving peace but knowing how to defend itself, bringing the blessings of progress to all the country's inhabitants, and aspiring towards independent nationhood. In the year 5657 (1897), at the summons of the spiritual father of the Jewish State, Theodore Herzl, the First Zionist Congress convened and proclaimed the right of the Jewish people to national rebirth in its own country. This right was recognized in the Balfour Declaration of the 2nd November, 1917, and re-affirmed in the Mandate of the League of Nations which, in particular, gave international sanction to the historic connection between the Jewish people and Eretz-Israel and to the right of the Jewish people to rebuild its National Home. The catastrophe which recently befell the Jewish people - the massacre of millions of Jews in Europe - was another clear demonstration of the urgency of solving the problem of its homelessness by re-establishing in Eretz-Israel the Jewish State, which would open the gates of the homeland wide to every Jew and confer upon the Jewish people the status of a fully privileged member of the comity of nations. (continued in link)
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato#128. To: Ferret Mike (#127)
Blah, blah, blah ... Nothing good has ever come from the State of Israel, the Rothschild's or the UN ... you are either a shill or a complete dufas ! Maurice de Hirsch (A so-called Jew) established a Trust with 50,000,000 dollars for the purpose of assisting Russian Jews (Babylonians) migrate to the U.S. and Palestine in 1887 "TEN YEARS PRIOR TO HERZL'S ZIO-NAZI CONVENTION of 1897" ... Maurice de Hirsch was a "BANKER" ...
Six million people murdered by others like you call bullshit on your agenda of hating and baiting.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams ... and I concur !
#129. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#111)
A followup to my last. East asians are on average slightly more intelligent and less violent than most Americans. Does it therefore follow that there should be no limit on the rate of immigration from east asia? Ray Nagin has a point. There is nothing wrong with honey. There is also nothing wrong with aversion to honey in one's chocolate shake. Enough honey, and it won't really be a chocolate shake anymore.
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#130. To: Ferret Mike, all (#50)
Okay, here's the other thing you don't seem to get (because you'd rather just blame white people for their past misdeeds). Guess what - we can BOTH hate corporatists and want to restrict their behaviors that are having such a negative impact on America AND want to send the Mexicans back to their homeland. There is no conflict between these two ideas. We can believe in both and we could DO both if we had the political will. You are setting up a false dichotomy. Moreover, I am not ready to absolve the illegals from their responsibility for breaking our laws rather than straightening out THEIR OWN COUNTRY. THAT'S what they should be doing. Instead of marching in the streets of OUR country,where they should HAVE NO RIGHTS AT ALL, they should be marching in the streets of THEIR OWN COUNTRY, demanding change, and possibly rioting or accomplishing such change by violent means if that's the only thing that will be successful. They need to go back and fix their own countries. As long as the US exists as some magic safety valve that these corrupt countries can dump their poor on, these countries WILL NEVER CHANGE.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#131. To: mehitable, Ferret Mike (#130)
Mike intentionally lays his agenda bare when he confuses illegals as migrants. He has bought into the open border, kumbaya poison.
#132. To: Jethro Tull (#131)
That's what I see, JT. I think Mike is indeed an open borders, globalist kind of guy. I can see no other explanation for his opinions. If we did things the way Mike wanted we'd have half of Mexico in here in no time (which he apparently thinks would be a good thing), and eventually there would no longer be a United States, Mexico, or Canada, but one North American Union. Well, I'll fight this till I die.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#133. To: mehitable (#132)
Yep. His warped sense of compassion might get kudos from the internationalists, but his progeny, and ours, will be left a 3rd world slum as a nation. Cultural diversity is a foggy notion passed on to us by the same people who gave us forced busing, affirmative action, and the nanny state. It's a morphed socialism designed to destroy America. Sadly, it's working.
If we did things the way Mike wanted we'd have half of Mexico in here in no time
#134. To: Jethro Tull (#133)
That's the bottom line. I actually like most people in general - most individuals, races, ethnic groups, whatever. But this is not a voluntary association. These people are being forced upon us and they're very different from us. Why are we supposed to like this and be nice to them and make room for them? I never did anything to these people and neither did my Canadian and New England forbears (did I spell that right?) This kumbayah crap is totally one sided. We're supposed to make room for them, and make life easier for them, and tolerate them and celebrate their diversity, meanwhile, they don't remotely do the same for us. They don't even do basic things like conduct their business in English. If you try to make them do that, they bring suit against you. Bleep this shit, momma didn't raise any weak minded, masochistic, guilt-ridden children.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#135. To: Ferret Mike (#124)
I'm also a hell of a lot smarter and knowledgeable than you. That's why I see through you. You're a hater, like all leftists. The smart understand the stupid a lot better than the stupid understand the smart. That's why I understand you but you don't understand me. I know the reason why; you don't.
My opinion of your speaking for everyone else is zero hero. Cry me a river.
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
#136. To: YertleTurtle (#135)
Not that you are egotistical or anything like that now, yes? If you are so smart, then back up your statement that Hitler did good for his people and refute the bad he did in the same time period you refereed to I talked about in my post. No, your statement here is just indicative of ego and delusion. Like ALL leftists, huh? Why do lovers of Bigotry aways talk about ALL, and do it in a modus fraught with allusions to conspiracy? The world is not starkly black and white, nor is it as two dimensional as you see it. Un huh...... Why don't you go see a psychologist about this problem, I'm here to talk politics, not handle your problems with megalomania.
"I'm also a hell of a lot smarter and knowledgeable than you.
"That's why I see through you."
"You're a hater, like all leftists.
"The smart understand the stupid a lot better than the stupid understand the smart. That's why I understand you but you don't understand me. I know the reason why; you don't."
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato#137. To: Ferret Mike (#118)
All of history is open to question. That Germany targeted Jews is known, just as the Jewish/German Weimar Government's targeting of Gypsies in the 1920's is also known. If your primary interest is making sure that everyone agrees on six million dead people and gas chambers, whether through name calling or threat of legal action, methinks you're going to miss the finer points of history. Like Zionist cooperation with the Nazis. And Communist war crimes. And international corporate backing of the Nazis, the Communists and the Americans. My favorite trivia from the era: Max Warburg was the only director of I.G. Farben NOT prosecuted for war crimes. You do know the Warburgs, yes? I can find no evidence of mass death using gas chambers. Eisenhower, Churchill and DeGaulle neglected to mention them in their various accounts of WWII. If you can present actual physical and forensic evidence of mass deaths using gas chambers, then I might respect your faith in the "Story". BTW, have you ever read the Nuremberg transcripts? Do you actually believe the crap they were pushing at those trials, such as 20,000 Jews being incinerated in an atomic blast at Auschwitz?
The historical fact is incontrovertible.
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#138. To: mehitable (#134)
Isn’t is funny how the kumbayah crowd allows for Mexicans & other 3rd worlders to celebrate their nationalism - in our nation no less - but reject our desplay of American/white nationalism? The PC, double standard they employ would be comical if it weren’t so deadly, personally and nationally. As you said, bleep them. I hold no hope for those who demand that we open our borders to ‘migrants.’ They’re the enemy among us.
Bleep this shit, momma didn't raise any weak minded, masochistic, guilt-ridden children.
#139. To: Ferret Mike (#120)
You use these words as cant and rhetoric, not as language meant to to convey meaning and opinion. It's at least the second time I've seen "snake oil" from you on this thread, and the others are stock words and phrases that you use to stop yourself from thinking. You won't confront your own brainwashing and youa accuse others of it. It's called "projection". Having once been a informational victim of the ADL (I got over it), I know the symptoms well.
snake oil...bigotry...Jew baiting...hating
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#140. To: bluegrass (#139)
You won't confront the methodology of Holocaust denial to start with a premise that there was no Shoah and to work back wards to try to find evidence this is so. This is largely why your stuff has so little credibility. Despite having destroyed as much evidence to the Shoah as possible in the waining days of the ware, hundreds of thousand of documents still exist damning the Nazis in the implementation of their "final solution." I'll be back after work and and well interlocate some more in regards to the Shoah, but suffice it to say in light of the evidence, you are the on facing a daunting burden of proof problem, not those documenting what happened to millions of genocidal murdered people.
"You won't confront your own brainwashing and you accuse others of it. It's called "projection". Having once been a informational victim of the ADL (I got over it), I know the symptoms well."
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato#141. To: Ferret Mike (#140)
No one with reason intact can deny that innocent Jews suffered in the 1930's and 1940's. By the same token, no one with reason intact can assert that what happened went down the way the ADL and other B'nai B'rith fronts claim as there's no actual evidence for it. That same reason also gently instructs us that Jews were a fraction of the innocents that suffered. I grant no special dispensations to any group to claim a monopoly on suffering.
You won't confront the methodology of Holocaust denial to start with a premise that there was no Shoah and to work back wards to try to find evidence this is so.
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#142. To: Jethro Tull (#138)
JT, I'm sick of the double standard. I'm sicking of apologizing for 2000 years of European history. I can't help it if people in Africa are still carrying water from the local stream in baskets on their heads, or people in Backassastan are wearing the same clothes their great grandparents wore in the 14th hundreds. I'm sick of apologizing for progress. Without Western civilization there would be no America, and as flawed as it's become, it's still the best there is. I don't want to live in Mexico and I don't want Mexico moving to a neighborhood near me. I don't hate other people, or fear them (without reason). I don't care what color they are or what religion they practice - but STOP telling me that I owe them something or I should excuse myself for breathing because they live BLEEPED up lives in their own countries. Let them do something about it. You mean to tell me the Indians haven't found out about birth control yet? Or the South Americans? IF they want to believe the crap peddled by the Catholic Church that is their problem. I'm FED UP.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
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