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Title: White Supremacists Ratchet Up Anti-Hispanic Action As U.S. Immigration Debate Rages
Source: www.adl.org
URL Source: http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Extremism_72/4822_72.htm
Published: Jun 22, 2006
Author: staff
Post Date: 2006-06-22 12:38:17 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 4208
Comments: 192

New York, NY, May 24, 2006 … As the national debate over immigration continues to hold the national spotlight, neo-Nazis and white supremacists have ratcheted up their anti-Hispanic action, using everything from Internet video games to street demonstrations and other confrontational tactics in an effort to exploit the debate as a means to spread hate. Their goal is to draw new attention to their hateful notions about minorities and hopes for making America a nation for "Whites only."

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which monitors and reports on the activities of far-right extremists, has updated its online report, "Extremists Declare 'Open Season' on Immigrants" with new information showing that extremists continue to focus their energies on Hispanic hate-mongering through racist rhetoric, crude stereotypes, and threats of using violence to intimidate illegal immigrants.

"As we have gotten deeper into the discussion on immigration, the white supremacist movement has reinvigorated itself and closed ranks around the cause of fighting immigration and turning America into a nation for 'Whites only'", said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "The immigration debate has provided the perfect storm for America's white supremacist fringe to recruit, organize and sow the seeds of racial discord and hate."

On the Internet, right-wing extremists have championed video games such as "Border Patrol," where the aim is to shoot to kill Mexicans as they attempt to cross the border, and used their Web sites to spread hateful anti-Hispanic messages. In the real world, white supremacist leaders have organized protests and encouraged their followers to act violently against immigrants or anyone of Hispanic origin.

Anti-Hispanic Violence

ADL's report cites two recent incidents as the latest in a multi-year trend of increasing violence targeting Hispanics:

•A teenager was arrested in East Hampton, Long Island, on April 29 after he allegedly threatened a Hispanic teenager with a machete and chased a second teenager with a chain saw while shouting racial epithets. Described by classmates as a skinhead, the alleged perpetrator had posted to the Internet photographs of himself posing as a Nazi and adorning a shed with swastikas.

•David Henry Tuck, 18, and Keith Robert Turner, 17, were arrested and charged with aggravated sexual assault in the brutal April 22 attack of a teenage Hispanic high school student in Houston. The victim was beaten and sodomized with a plastic pipe from a patio umbrella, then kicked in the head with steel-toed boots.

White Supremacist Protests

In recent weeks, white supremacists have organized protests, rallies and other events across the country:

•In Seattle, Washington, and Las Vegas, Nevada, members of the neo-Nazi National Vanguard held anti-immigration protests on May 20. On its Web site, the National Vanguard declared that day to be a "day of protest against George W. Bush's plan to destroy America," calling the president's immigration proposals a "sellout of the nation."

•In Keene, New Hampshire, New England members of the Arkansas-based neo-Nazi group White Revolution held a self-described "anti-invasion" demonstration on May 7 to protest "the invasion of America by illegal non white hordes.'

•In Russellville, Alabama, members of the Alabama chapter of the Indiana-based National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan held an anti-immigration rally on May 6, yelling "Let's get rid of the Mexicans!" After the rally, the Klansmen burned a cross in a field outside of town.

•In Montgomery, Alabama, the neo-Confederate group League of the South and the Coalition against Illegal Immigration together organized an anti-immigration "Cinco de Mayo" demonstration on May 5. The event was promoted in the racist and anti-Semitic newspaper, "First Freedom."

•In Greenville, South Carolina, the racist Council of Conservative Citizens held an anti-immigration demonstration on April 29 in front of the offices of Republican Congressman Lindsey Graham, where they burned Mexican flags and displayed signs such as "More INS, Less IRS," "Vote for Pedro to Go Home," and "I Didn't Fight in Iraq for Illegal Aliens."

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#26. To: Tauzero, Ferret Mike, mehitable, christine, Horse, Lady X, lodwick (#16)

Nice dove.

Its hosting site is quite apropos. Has the ADL ever called Trotsky and the rst of the murdering thieves to account?

Note the group that met Trotsky at the pier. Hebrew Sheltering and Immigrant Aid Society (now HIAS) and the ADL are old buddies.


Trotsky the "peace preacher"

EXPELLED FROM FOUR LANDS, Pacifist Editor Here from Russia, Germany, France and Spain

New York Times, Jan. 15, 1917, pg. 2

Leon Trotzky, a Russian Journalist and Socialist, arrived yesterday from Cadiz on the Spanish liner Montserrat after being expelled from Europe for preaching peace. He said that he was a follower of Karl Marx, the German Socialist, and had represented Jewish newspapers in Petrograd and Kiev.

Through Arthur Concors of the Hebrew Sheltering and Immigrant Aid Society, who met him at the pier, Mr. Trotzky said that on account of his writings he had been sentenced to serve two years' Imprisonment In Siberia in 1900. In 1900 he had a similar sentence, making four years altogether. Part of his imprisonment was spent at Tobolsk.

When the German Emperor declared war in August, 1914, Trotzky was In Berlin editing a Jewish paper. There hours were given to him in which to leave the capital with his family and start for the Swiss frontier. He reached Zurich safely, and after remaining there a few weeks left for Paris, where he published a Socialist paper printed in Russian, Our Words, in which he opposed war bitterly and advocated peace.

The French Government ignored him until April, 1916 when the Russian troops commenced to arrive at Marseilles to act as a reinforcement in the rear of the French lines at Verdun, numbering altogether about 65,000. When the Russian Ambassador in Paris discovered through his secret service agents that the socialistic paper, Our Words, advocating peace, was being circulated among the Czar's troops In France, he communicated with the French Minister of the Interior and requested that the publication be suppressed. Trotzky was ordered to leave France, and was escorted to the Spanish frontier and went to Madrid, where he was arrested as a Socialist and locked up for three days.

After his release the Russian journalist said he went to Seville, and remained there until three weeks ago, when he was arrested by a Sergeant and two men of the Guardia Civile and taken to Cadiz, where he was detained until the Montserrat was ready to sail and then escorted to her by an armed guard.

Mr. Trotzky was accompanied by his wife and his two sons, Leon, 11 and Serge, 9

The 344 passengers on the Montserrat came from all parts of the world including Persia, Arabia, Croatia, Macedonia, Egypt, Madagascar, India and Formosa, as well as the principal European countries.


"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   13:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

I didn't know it would anger you so to see me use it.

It takes a lot more than that to make me angry. I said you're welcome to use it.

I am not ADL, thanks.

Yuh right. Pardon my skepticism.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   13:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mehitable (#24)

"Sunday my boyfriend and me once again..."

Oh my... I am taken aback. No offense, but I had thought you were male. :-O

Thanks for relating some of your experience. But I don't think it represents the full scope of things as I know certain crowd dynamic do differ substantially from what you experience on a one on one basis with people.

I'm sure if you got to know many in that park in smaller groups or as single individuals you would have felt less intimidated, they would be more respectful and you would find you had more in common with each other then you thought.

When I was on Guam as a serviceman, we were warned not to go to beaches that were predominantly Chimorro/Guamanian. The Japanese took over one fifth of the Island when they invaded expelling the owners. When we invaded and kicked the Japanese out, we established Guam as a U.S. territory and assumed control over every hectare of that land the Japanese took ownership of pissing off the people there royally.

They think of us as the invader there and many deeply resent our presence and role on that and other Mariana Islands. The oldest Christian Church in Asia is on Guam. It stands a ruin and in reconsecrated to protest how U.S. Forces tortured Chimorros who wanted to return to the style of governance they had before the Japanese invasion.

We imposed the government there, with ours as the template, and as they had been invaded since the Spanish first came there and took control killing every male Chimorro on all Islands (Chimorros are half Spanish), they have a deep and abiding loathing for invasion and occupation.

So you see I do understand where you are coming from far better then you think. And my views of the problem are deeply tempered my my deep understanding that we can ourselves be just as bad as any overwhelming influx of foreign nationals as we have proved this on Guam and elsewhere in the past.

I still say the problem is best solved with focus on the strengths of our better attributes then to be seduced by the angers and frustrations that bring out the worst in us or any other people.

Good post by the way, Thanks. ;-)

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   14:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: bluegrass (#27)

"It takes a lot more than that to make me angry. I said you're welcome to use it."

I'm glad. It takes allot to anger me. Posting and political activism has given me a thick skin. And thanks for the use of the list.

As for your skepticism, that is your baggage, not mine. I do not belong to their organization, nor are we working in concert.

You are welcome to believe what you like, but for the record you are very wrong. ;-)

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   14:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ferret Mike (#29)

As for your skepticism, that is your baggage, not mine.

You walk like a duck. You quack like a duck. Please don't try and tell me you're a dove.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   14:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#29)

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" works just fine in this situation, would you not agree?

Press 1 for English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2006-06-22   14:15:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Ferret Mike, all (#28)

I'm sure if you got to know many in that park in smaller groups or as single individuals you would have felt less intimidated, they would be more respectful and you would find you had more in common with each other then you thought.

I totally disagree with that. I've grown up Hispanic peoples, but not in this volume of course, and I frankly dislike them. I find them rude and obnoxious and very controlling and domineering. I find, as individuals and groups, they DO indeed take over and want things their way, and they don't hesitate to try to bring that about. Moreover, what individuals may or may not be like is totally irrelevant in this argument - I am talking about the CULTURAL behavior of people in groups, because we ARE talking about large groups of people invading our country. Their cultural behavior and norms are FAR more important than personal or individual differences among them. Culturally, they are extremely aggressive. If we try this kumbayah shit on them, they won't behave as tolerant and easy going as we're supposed. They will take over. I am seeing that again and again, both as an individual (me) and in relations to large areas such as towns and cities. We know have entire towns and good parts of cities in Massachusetts - which has no natural border or is not near ANY Hispanic country at all - that are mainly Spanish speaking.

I RESENT THIS. I WANT THEM TO LEAVE. I DON'T LIKE THEM. I KNOW THEY WILL TRY TO CROWD ME OUT. You're a fool if you believe otherwise.

The Red Coats are comin', Mike, and they're not going to play tea party with us. They think we're a bunch of damn fools who can't or won't protect our own property, rights or country. And they are correct.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-22   14:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: All (#32)

I am so angry and outraged about this invasion, which is grossly apparent to me whenever I go to a public place in Massachusetts now that I am having trouble typing. Please excuse the typos.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-22   14:18:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: bluegrass (#30)

"You walk like a duck. You quack like a duck. Please don't try and tell me you're a dove."

Heh, And what does a blind man think an elephant is at first encounter with one? You are showing that a weakness of yours is the propensity to make assumptions on too little evidence, nothing more.

By the way because of the university I went to, I am very much a Duck fan, and proud of it too by the way. ;-)

As for a dove, I am indeed one, in the sense of the old appellations of Dove dove for those who prefer peace, and hawk for those who support a more proactive use of the military in the realm of foreign affairs.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   14:27:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mehitable (#33)

Typos are progress. Get angry enough, and you might not be able to type.

Then what? /:|


Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-22   14:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Tauzero (#35)

heh heh...believe me, you don't want to see an angry mehitable. Remember that T-Rex in Jurassic Park? Well, that's me on a smaller scale, LMAO....

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-22   14:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mehitable (#32)

"I RESENT THIS. I WANT THEM TO LEAVE. I DON'T LIKE THEM. I KNOW THEY WILL TRY TO CROWD ME OUT. You're a fool if you believe otherwise."

I hear your loathing and your fear, there is no need to yell to get it across, thanks. You are not a fool, and neither an I, we do disagree on aspects of this issue though.

"The Red Coats are coming', Mike, and they're not going to play tea party with us. They think we're a bunch of damn fools who can't or won't protect our own property, rights or country. And they are correct."

You are projecting these fears and loathing as you put words into their mouths. Again, thanks for your opinion, but I disagree, we have more in common then differences s human beings.

I also might mention that though I am in Oregon, I was born and raised in Connecticut. Clinton, Ct. exit 63 on I-95 between Old Saybrook and New Haven.

I know exactly what Red Coats are, and Mexicans are in no way shape and form like King George III's army. ;-)

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   14:37:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mehitable (#36)

heh heh...believe me, you don't want to see an angry mehitable. Remember that T-Rex in Jurassic Park? Well, that's me on a smaller scale, LMAO....

Eat me, baby....

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-06-22   14:37:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

the ADL is one of the most racist, agendized organizations out there.

they have zero credibility. i wouldn't believe them if they told me the sun shines in the daytime.

'We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion, or to a non-existent authority, on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the future.' ~ Wilhelm Reich

gengis gandhi  posted on  2006-06-22   14:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ferret Mike (#34)

And what does a blind man think an elephant is at first encounter with one?

Problem with metaphor: I'm not blind, Mickey.

You are showing that a weakness of yours is the propensity to make assumptions on too little evidence, nothing more

You praise the ADL. You "monitor" "hate sites". Everyone's a hater and a racist and a whatever, except for the ADL.

I've been down this road many times with self-appointed commissars.

As for a dove, I am indeed one

Then start walking and talking like one. The ADL advocates mass murder and always has.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   14:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: mehitable (#36)

"heh heh...believe me, you don't want to see an angry mehitable. Remember that T-Rex in Jurassic Park? Well, that's me on a smaller scale, LMAO...."

The Eutropia Universe, an online game with a real cash economy has a T-Rex style monster I hunt all the time called an Atrox.

http://www.entropiauniv erse.com/en/rich/5000.html

I have an inner Atrox/T-Rex I channel myself as well from time to time. It is healthy to let yourself go like that from time to time. But one always has to beware the avatar that has hunted Atrox enough to build up the skill level to have devistating hit damages with their Laser weapondry. ;-)

(Screen shot of a "global" or big looting after killing a 'Troxie)

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   14:51:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Ferret Mike (#37)

You don't seem to understand what an invasion IS, Mike, nor do you seem to understand that all the tolerance and willingness to accept diversity and all that crap is a total one way street. The Mexicans WOULD NOT do the same for you. They are not the same as us - culturally - and I will stick up for my own people. If I don't stick up for my own people, who the hell will? The Mexicans will do the normal and natural thing and stick up for themselves - I don't blame them for that. But if we don't do the same thing for ourselves, we will be committing societal suicide as Americans.

Do you like Mexico? Would you like to live there? I don't. And if enough Mexicans move here as squatters then de facto, they BRING Mexico WITH THEM, and that area BECOMES Mexico.

I'm speaking as someone who is observing this directly, not from some kind of theooretical platform on the moon. I'm the one trying to go to the goddam state beaches and parks that "I" pay for.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-22   14:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: mehitable (#42)

Are you familiar with the Pequot and what we did to them? I know what an invasion is. It is more then a demographic change, and I see no army nor organization to the influx like our systematic genocide of the Pequots that was so total only scattered survivors taken in by other tribes were left alive, and know that the colonial governments in new England even outlawed the utterance of the name of that tribe.

You speak of how bad Mexicans are, but they didn't invent Manifest Destiny or operate under the auspices of the Doctrine of Discovery that denied sovereignty or cultural protection to native peoples when we first came over to these continents.

They still have some bad Karma from Conquistador days, and we have the same from French and Indian War, Trail of Tears, and Western Expansion days to deal with.

Because of the big picture of our overall history as a people, we need to be careful that as we craft solutions to this problem we don't relive aspects of the problems inherent to our history as a people here in what was once called, "The New World."

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   15:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: bluegrass (#40)

I don't believe your perception of the ADL. But I will give extra attention to any pings you give me to information you say supports your contentions regarding them.

I will do that much. I don't promise I will agree, but I do promise I will look harder at what you cite as evidence supporting your assertions concerning that organization.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   15:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Ferret Mike (#44)

I don't believe your perception of the ADL.


"We strongly support the actions of the President and his Administration in regard to the War on Terror," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director.

ADL Press Release


Translation: The ADL advocates mass murder.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   15:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Ferret Mike (#43)

There you go, beating up on the white people. This is not the problem of any race or group. It's a HUMAN PROBLEM. It's the way people behave in groups.

It's exceedingly ironic that you bring up the Pequod people because you obviously have not learned what the real lesson of that was. The real lesson was that if they had NOT BEEN NICE to the white invaders and chased them off or killed them (which is what I would have advised the Indians to do), they might have retained their land longer or got better terms later on. If anyone can tell us the downside of mass immigration by a foreign people, it would INDEED be the Indians.

As for the Mexicans, I don't think they're a "bad" people. I just don't like them personally. I probably wouldn't go to Mexico. But they're fine in their own space. We (the American people) just didn't invite them here and this is not a voluntary association. They are forcing themselves upon us, and being forced upon us by the corporatists.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-22   15:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: bluegrass. All (#45)

Aaron Zellman with the JPFO is on JackBlood's internet radio show right now - dude is hard core on our 2nd Amendment rights.

Lod  posted on  2006-06-22   15:53:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mehitable (#46)

"There you go, beating up on the white people. This is not the problem of any race or group. It's a HUMAN PROBLEM. It's the way people behave in groups."

It is indeed a human problem, and I am 'beating up' those who operated under the auspices of Doctrine of Discovery which is still embedded in our system of case law today.

As for the Pequot and the complex relationship between the Dutch, English and other tribes, perhaps the mass production of wampum lowering the value of that commodity annoying the Pequot was an ill advised game. The English did have a manufacturing advantage with their steel drills enough to make that a thriving cottage industry, but that directly threatened the Pequot power base in that region.

The Pequot war started when Richard Mather denounced the Pequot as the "accursed seeds of Canaan," in a sermon delivered in Boston after the murder of Boston trader John Oldham turning it into a holy war with vast religious overtones accounting for the call to genocidally kill every man woman or child of that tribe.

The Pequot has been decimated by small pox and couldn't count on the Dutch after the fort at Old Saybrook forced them to close the house of Good Hope in the Hartford area. Fights with other tribes for territory and the increasing number of Englishmen in that region created much friction between the English and the Pequot and all these factors worked to spark that genocidal incident in colonial American History.

It was a situation far more complex them "the mean Pequots not appreciating the English's peaceful side." It definitely involved our ancestor's religious sense of righteousness and the Doctrine of Discovery's lack of recognition of indigenous 'heathen' people as being human beings deserving of sovereignty.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   16:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Ferret Mike (#48)

It always goes badly whenever the "Accursed Seed of Canaan" card is played.

Lod  posted on  2006-06-22   16:56:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: mehitable (#46)

"They are forcing themselves upon us, and being forced upon us by the corporatists."

They are migrating because of corporatists taking advantage of circumstances to manipulate them to so so to find a better life. Ironically, what is happening with them is much like the factors that sparked much of the migration to the New World by Europeans in the 16th and 17th centuries to find a better life.

I blame the corporatists as being the parties committing the felony grade crimes of manipulating to enhance and grow this migration. What crimes those coming here are committing are far less serious then their's and have circumstances in mitigation and extenuation that make the amnesty bill a far better idea then you or others here are willing to admit.

The corporatists have no such factors. They are like any rich and powerful people; all they crave is more power and more capital.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   16:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lodwick (#49)

It always goes badly whenever the "Accursed Seed of Canaan" card is played.

The Canaanites were Mexican? Explains why they were hewing wood, drawing water, mowing lawns, picking grapes and olives in the Bible....

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-06-22   16:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#51)

It's like a wild-card - you save it, until you really, really need to drop the nickel on some group, any group...how can they prove otherwise?

Lod  posted on  2006-06-22   17:04:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

"As we have gotten deeper into the discussion on immigration, the white supremacist movement has reinvigorated itself and closed ranks around the cause of fighting immigration

The absence of white nationalism is one important reason why we've allowed this illegal invasion. Sign me up. We either fight them now, or leave the mess for our kids.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-06-22   18:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#53)

The absence of white nationalism is one important reason why we've allowed this illegal invasion. Sign me up. We either fight them now, or

or do we intend to wait until we're totally outnumbered ?

My sentiments exactly.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

Samuel Adams ... and I concur !

noone222  posted on  2006-06-22   18:35:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Ferret Mike (#50)

They are migrating because of corporatists taking advantage of circumstances to manipulate them to so so to find a better life.

When in history have migrants ignored the laws of a sovereign nation?

Your wilful failure to identify these migrants as illegal immigrants is a transparent, leftist ploy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-06-22   18:41:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jethro Tull (#55)

"When in history have migrants ignored the laws of a sovereign nation?"

Ours and those of people from Spain, Portugal, and other nations got around it by using a papal document issued forty years before Columbus' voyage. In 1452, Pope Nicholas V issued to King Alfonso V of Portugal the bull Romanus Pontifex, declaring war against all non-Christians throughout the world, and specifically sanctioning and promoting the conquest, colonization, and exploitation of non- Christian nations and their territories.

In an 'Inter Cetera' document, Pope Alexander said that the "discovered" people be "subjugated and brought to the faith itself." Later when Portugal protested this concession to Spain, Pope Alexander stipulated in a subsequent bull - issued May 4, 1493 - that Spain cannot establish take lands which had already "come into the possession of any Christian lords." To mollify the two rival leaders, the pope drew a line of demarcation between the two poles, giving Spain rights of conquest and dominion over one side of the globe, and Portugal over the other.

The genocide and conquest committed by Columbus and his men against the peaceful Native people of the Caribbean were sanctioned by the above mentioned documents of the Catholic Church. These papal documents were frequently used by Europeans in the Americas to justify an very inhuman style of colonization - which dehumanized the indigenous people by regarding their territories as being "inhabited only by brute animals."

The Christian "Law of Nations" asserted that Christian nations had a divine right, based on the Bible, to claim absolute title to and ultimate authority over any newly "discovered" Non-Christian indigenous peoples and their lands. Over the next several centuries, these beliefs gave rise to the Doctrine of Discovery used by Spain, Portugal, England, France, and Holland.

So to answer your question, our ancestors did. And you could say because they would not recognize the humanity and rights of the indigenous people no sovereignty was violated as none was recognized.

But that was very disingenuous as way to get around the problem of ignoring laws and rights of people with sovereignty, isn't it?

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   18:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Jethro Tull (#55)

"Your willful failure to identify these migrants as illegal immigrants is a transparent, leftist ploy."

I clearly stated in an earlier post that they have violated the law and contrasted those violations with those who dreamed up and promoted the migration.

Besides, you see ploys in how I toy with words, I see them in the words of many who post from the right wing end of the political scale, so what is so diabolical about your observations when from my perspective I see much of the same thing from my point of view emanating from others?

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   19:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Ferret Mike (#56)

The genocide and conquest committed by Columbus and his men against the peaceful Native people of the Caribbean were sanctioned by the above mentioned documents of the Catholic Church.

According to the ADL and B'nai B'rith, Columbus was a Jew seeking a new land for the Jews expelled from Spain.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   19:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Jethro Tull (#53)

"The absence of white nationalism is one important reason why we've allowed this illegal invasion. Sign me up. We either fight them now, or leave the mess for our kids."

White Nationalism is a far different thing then mere pride in one's heritage. It is the advocacy of a separation of human beings based on race and involves the break-up of the United States and the deep sixing of the U.S. Constitution.

To believe in the Balkanization if the United States and in ethnic cleansing, you have to be insane.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   19:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: mehitable (#33)

I am so angry and outraged about this invasion, which is grossly apparent to me whenever I go to a public place in Massachusetts now that I am having trouble typing.

You should see some of the formerly beautiful state parks in South Carolina that have been overrun by the Mexicans. Nothing like the stench of stale urine and decaying fecal matter hitting your nose while walking through the woods on a nice sunny day. Don't even get ne started on the piles of dirty diapers in the changing houses at the beach, or on the shelves at Wal-Mart, for that matter...

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-06-22   19:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: bluegrass (#58)

"According to the ADL and B'nai B'rith, Columbus was a Jew seeking a new land for the Jews expelled from Spain."

I assume then you have a link for this? Columbus had no idea if he would find China, a new land. I am also skeptical that the wedge issue anti-Semitism became in the 20th Century existed as an fully evolved ploy in 13th Century Spain and that Columbus was in a convoluted ploy to execute an exodus of an entire population across an expanse of ocean in a world that rarely saw ships leaving the sight of land.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   19:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Jethro Tull (#53)

We either fight them now, or leave the mess for our kids.

I get the distinct impression most caucasian Americans are quite comfortable "leaving a mess for their kids". Precisely WHY I didn't have any.

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-06-22   19:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: who knows what evil (#62)

"I get the distinct impression most Caucasian Americans are quite comfortable "leaving a mess for their kids". Precisely WHY I didn't have any."

Because most people are too smart to buy into the discredited and false vilification of people to use them as a wedge issue bait to create panic and fear enough to buy into an agenda nobody with common sense and a cool head would fall for a moment.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-22   19:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Ferret Mike (#59)

People tend to segregate themselves, onve free of government interference. There's nothing wrong with that in and of itself although some take it as a belief system rather than a preference for what one is accustomed to. Social engineering is the real threat, and I'd ask all the bushbots, bureaucrats, neocons, and "Free Trade" morons why they hate the UN sometimes.

Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-22   19:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Ferret Mike (#61)

I assume then you have a link for this?

I have the ADL/B'nai B'rith Year Book from the 1920's in which a long article on the topic is published.

I'll scan and post it in the next few days.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-22   19:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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