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Title: Christopher Columbus by B'nai B'rith
Source: Jewish Reference Book: B'nai B'rith Manual, 1926
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Published: Jun 23, 2006
Author: Samuel S. Cohon
Post Date: 2006-06-23 19:17:18 by bluegrass
Ping List: *New History*
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Views: 765
Comments: 50

Source: Jewish Reference Book: B'nai B'rith Manual
Edited by Samuel S. Cohon
Cincinnati, Ohio
1926

pp. 248-250

THE JEW IN AMERICA BY SAMUEL S. COHON

The Jewish Role in the Discovery of America — While many Jews are recent immigrants, the Jew is no new arrival in this country. In point of length of residence and of service, he is the equal of any white man on this continent. That he played an important role in the discovery of America is a matter of history.

In recent years, the conviction has grown in the minds of scholars that Columbus' blood was partly Jewish. His mother, so it is alleged, came of a well-known Jewish family — the Ponte Rossi. And "Collom," which is the real name of Columbus, was that of an Italian Jewish family. As it was not safe in those days, in Spain, to be known as Jew, he called himself a "Genoese navigator." Though his origin is still a mooted question, it is pretty certain that he associated with Jews and was the recipient of their aid in his great work. When he failed to induce Ferdinand and Isabella to assist him in his undertaking, he turned to the Marrano, Louis de Santangel, the chan-celor of Aragon, for assistance. Together with his relative, Gabriel Sanchez, the royal treasurer, and his friend, Juan Cabrero, the royal chamberlain, also of Jewish blood, Santangel entered energetically into the plans of Columbus. He showed the queen the advantages to the crown and'to Spain of the discovery of a short route to India; the immortal fame and the limitless wealth that would be theirs.

Inspired by this glamor, the queen consented to pawn her jewels in order to raise sufficient funds for the expedition but she did not have to go that far. Santangel modestly requested to be permitted to advance the needed money out of his private treasury and accordingly advanced, without interest, 1,700 ducats (which is equivalent to $160,000 in our money). In view of these facts, Prof. Herbert B. Adams appropriately coined the fine epigram: "Not Jewels, but Jews were the real financial basis for the first expedition of Columbus."

Santangel's zeal was prompted, not only by his high-mindedness, but also by his Jewish loyalty. Two of his uncles were burnt by the Inquisition because of their Judaism and he himself, as may be well imagined, suffered greatly because of the mask of Catholicism which he was forced to wear. The condition of the Jews of Spain was near-ing its highest point of misery. Ferdinand and Isabella were preparing to expel all the Jews from their provinces. On August 2, 1492, about 300,000 Jews who refused to become Christians left Spain; and on the following day, Columbus, with the aid of Santangel, set sail in search of what turned out to be a haven of rest for the wandering Jews as for all the persecuted.

Columbus took with him the astronomical charts and instruments prepared by Abraham Zacuto, a Jewish professor at Salamanka. These were of incalculable service to the navigator and, on one occasion, saved the lives of the whole company. At least five members of the expedition, including the surgeon, Marco, the ship's doctor, Bernal, and the interpreter, Louis Torres, were Jews. Torres was the first European to tread on American soil and also the first to discover the use of tobacco. He won the good-will of a Cuban chief and received from him large grants of land and many slaves as presents. Columbus' recognition of his indebtedness to the Jews is shown also by the fact that the first detailed account of his discoveries was addressed to his Jewish patron, Louis de Santangel, and a similar letter was sent to Gabriel Sanchez.

Columbus' second expedition (1493) was again financed by Jewish funds. This time the money came not from the pocket of a rich Jewish patron, but out of the funds realized from the sale of the confiscated possessions of the Jews that were expelled from Spain.


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Note: Scanned from the book by me. Alerts to any typos would be appreciated.

Is anyone else curious if this is still history that B'nai B'rith holds to?

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#8. To: Lady X (#0)

My bad for not flagging you.

"At least five members of the expedition, including the surgeon, Marco, the ship's doctor, Bernal, and the interpreter, Louis Torres, were Jews. Torres was the first European to tread on American soil and also the first to discover the use of tobacco. He won the good-will of a Cuban chief and received from him large grants of land and many slaves as presents."

According to B'nai B'rith, the first Jew on American soil became a slaveowner from the getgo.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-24   14:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: bluegrass (#1)

"At least five members of the expedition, including the surgeon, Marco, the ship's doctor, Bernal, and the interpreter, Louis Torres, were Jews. Torres was the first European to tread on American soil and also the first to discover the use of tobacco. He won the good-will of a Cuban chief and received from him large grants of land and many slaves as presents. B'nai B'rith, 1926"

You are blinded by bitter and deep hatred of Jews. Nothing you mention here means a rip concerning the problems with Columbus and the Doctrine of Discovery.

The only conspiracy I see is that to malign Jews as the center of wedge issue building to use that hatred and fear to sell the snake oil of your primary agenda because you need a catalyst to get it past the filters of too much common sense most people generally have not to buy into it.

In any event, I had a wonderful time relaxing in the forest for several days. Hope your summer is going good too. Shalom. ;-)

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-07-02   12:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: bluegrass (#2)

Hold on!

The Spanish Inquisition preceded this adventure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

There were Muslims, Jews and Christians in Spain. So, you may as well say that it was Arabs who helped discover America.

This article is pure propaganda, revisionist history BS, IMO.

robin  posted on  2006-07-02   14:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lady X, noone222, Yertle Turtle, christine, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Mind_Virus, Brian S, Jethro Tull, Tauzero, Bub, mugwort, Peetie Wheatstraw, HOUNDDAWG, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, tom007, aristeides, Eoghan, Diana, Ferret Mike (#9)

You are blinded by bitter and deep hatred of Jews.

Boilerplate ADL claptrap. Due to your monitor/commissar tunnel vision (a mode perception that the ADL must have patented by now), you're utterly ignorant of who I am and what my intentions are as you're incapable of objective thought.

Your words on the matter at hand:

The genocide and conquest committed by Columbus and his men against the peaceful Native people of the Caribbean were sanctioned by the above mentioned documents of the Catholic Church..

B'nai B'rith said Columbus and his men were Jews and had heavy Jewish backing. We all know, intimately and without question, the crimes of organized Christians in the invasion of America. The crimes of every group of every era deserve equal treatment. Or do you think organized Jewry is immune from the same criticism and the same floodlights as other organized power structures?

Or maybe B'nai B'rith is just a bunch of Jew haters?

Shalom.

Wolakota, assalamu alaikum and peace out.

Don't re-elect anyone, not even your mama.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-07-02   14:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robin (#10)

This article is pure propaganda, revisionist history BS, IMO.

I think it's a mix of history and legend. Colom is an old Sephardic Jewish name and Columbus did get backing from Jews.

The pickler for the ADL types is that if B'nai B'rith was lying in 1926, what are they lying about now? If they're telling the truth, then the genocide stories used by them for the past 60 years are due to more than a little influence of Jews in history.

I posted this as a favor for Ferret Mike when he played the Columbus card.

Don't re-elect anyone, not even your mama.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-07-02   14:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: bluegrass (#12)

I posted this as a favor for Ferret Mike when he played the Columbus card.

ROTFLMAO..

I'm dyin' over here...LOL

Lady X  posted on  2006-07-02   14:30:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: bluegrass (#12)

"I posted this as a favor for Ferret Mike when he played the Columbus card."

You understand so little in regards to Columbus, you mearely worked once more to compound your ignorance and to celebrate your favorite punching bag, the Jewish faith.

Nothing more.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-07-02   14:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

That's the worst dodge since the 1997 Ram truck.

Is B'nai B'rith of 1926 correct or mistaken?

Don't re-elect anyone, not even your mama.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-07-02   14:39:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

your favorite punching bag, the Jewish faith.

Whether or not the Jewish "faith" has anything to do with Jews becoming a punching bag remains to be seen. It's far more likely that they just piss everyone off time and again which usually ends up in their expulsion or their being ostracized.

This old poor persecuted Jews syndrome has run its course, and it's about time too. Fucking Jews have nauseated the world for 6 millenium without ever taking a look inward to resolve their problem.

It's happening again, only this time it appears that there is an international disgust brewing that the bought off politicians can only hold back for so long before the international community swats the Jews back into the pile of shit they came from !

Shitlom !

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds (smites) you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

Samuel Adams ... and I concur !

noone222  posted on  2006-07-02   14:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: bluegrass (#15)

My first car was a 1955 Dodge Custom Royal I resurrected from the weeds in someone's backyard. Sorry, don't know anything about Ram trucks so if it is a sorry design, that sure is indeed possible.

As for your question, give me a complete citation and I will go check the material out at the University of Oregon library where I spend allot of time anyway. Or give me a URL where I can verify it quickly and check on the context of the quote in relation to the rest of the work.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-07-02   14:48:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: noone222 (#16)

"This old poor persecuted Jews syndrome has run its course, and it's about time too."

Heh, more like your hate and bait desire to see a return of good old fashioned pogroms got run into the ground by Adolf Hitler and company. And it was indeed about time too.

Shalom.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-07-02   14:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

That's the entire section on Columbus in the book. I've never seen this text on the net. This text is from my own research using the primary source.

Wait till you see B'nai B'rith's history of Russia ca. 1926. It's hilarious.

Don't re-elect anyone, not even your mama.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-07-02   14:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

Heh, more like your hate and bait desire to see a return of good old fashioned pogroms got run into the ground by Adolf Hitler and company. And it was indeed about time too.

Tell us about Purim and the Amalekites, Mike. Tell us about the babies killed by Jews.

Tell us why Communism was originally called "Jewish Bolshevism." Tell us how many Christians were murdered by Jews in the Soviet Union.

Tell us why Solzhenitsyn's last two books detailing the Jewish destruction of the Soviet Union haven't been published in the U.S.

Tell us about the Israeli attack on the Liberty, Mike.

"Benjamin Franklin was shown the new American constitution, and he said, 'I don't like it, but I will vote for it because we need something right now. But this constitution in time will fail, as all such efforts do. And it will fail because of the corruption of the people, in a general sense.' And that is what it has come to now, exactly as Franklin predicted." -- Gore Vidal

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-07-02   14:58:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: bluegrass (#19)

Thanks, I'll go verify this. If they don't have it there, they can get it through inter-library services.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-07-02   15:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: YertleTurtle (#20)

I'll tell you you are a strange guy, and first return to defending your idol Uncle Adolf which you were wise not to do.

I did not and do not support the attack on the Liberty and have felt there is more to the story then the official one by the Israeli government.

As for the other fare I see to your post, I just see your buying into a game of Jew baiting and hating, and there is nothing pertinent or intelligent about doing this.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-07-02   15:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

Be sure to check out the part in the book where B'nai B'rith fingers Wilhelm Marr as a "Jewish renegade". Your beloved ADL now skips over that part of Marr's history, just as they do with everything else that's inconvenient to their larger ends.


"At this time, a Hamburg journalist, Wilhelm Marr, issued a sensational pamphlet, "The Victory of Judaism over Germanism" (1879), calling for the defense of the "vanquished" against their "conquerors." It is through the writings of this Jewish renegade that the term anti-Semitism was coined, "expressing antagonism to the social and political equality of Jews." The pamphlet of this otherwise obscure writer fell on fruitful soil. It harmonized with the raging national jingoism that had mounted skyhigh with the unification of Germany and that had aimed at the creation of a unified racial and religious body of German citizens."

Source: Jewish Reference Book: B'nai B'rith Manual Edited by Samuel S. Cohon Cincinnati, Ohio 1926 pp. 287-88


Don't re-elect anyone, not even your mama.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-07-02   15:15:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: bluegrass (#23)

Keep being paranoid in regards to the ADL if you want, it doesn't bother me. Saying they are "beloved" by me is pure spin, nothing more. ;-D

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-07-02   15:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#24)

Keep being paranoid in regards to the ADL

The ADL is a proven intel gathering organization for a foreign entity, so seeing s snake as a snake isn't paranoid. Seeing a snake as an eagle is either paranoid or it means the perceiver has a thing for snakes.

Don't re-elect anyone, not even your mama.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-07-02   15:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Ferret Mike (#22)

I'll tell you you are a strange guy, and first return to defending your idol Uncle Adolf which you were wise not to do.

Again I point out that you are a leftist, and like all leftists are consumed by hate and the desire to murder.

As for the rest of what I wrote, of course you won't answer it...you know I'm in the right.

"Benjamin Franklin was shown the new American constitution, and he said, 'I don't like it, but I will vote for it because we need something right now. But this constitution in time will fail, as all such efforts do. And it will fail because of the corruption of the people, in a general sense.' And that is what it has come to now, exactly as Franklin predicted." -- Gore Vidal

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-07-02   16:03:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: YertleTurtle (#20)

Tell us why Solzhenitsyn's last two books detailing the Jewish destruction of the Soviet Union haven't been published in the U.S.

Have they been translated into english?

Lady X  posted on  2006-07-02   16:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: bluegrass, Red Diaper Babies (#19)

Wait till you see B'nai B'rith's history of Russia ca. 1926. It's hilarious.

...and beyond. The Ugly Truth About the Anti-Defamation League #7 [snip]

The Anti-Defamation League links to the Bolshevik regime and its intelligence services date back decades. Even during World War II, folks, when the Soviet Union and the United States were allied against the Nazis, certain ADL officials were kept on United States military intelligence watch lists as suspected Soviet agents.

According to one eye-witness account, Sanford Griffith, who headed the equivalent of the Fact-Finding Division during and immediately following World War II, was on just such a list.

The April 5th, 1955 issue of "Headlines and What's Behind Them" catalogues a controversial instance in which the Anti-Defamation League provided cover for a known Soviet intelligence asset. The Soviet agent in question, Vladimir Stepankowski , had been deported from France and Switzerland in the mid-1930s after having been identified as the head of the Bolshevik Information Bureau, only to immigrate to the United States and immediately go to work for the Anti-Defamation League's Mitchell Solomon .

Through Solomon's ties to United States Army Lt. Col. Eugene Prince , an intelligence officer in charge of immigration background checks, Stepankowski was able to penetrate American war-time intelligence operations.

In 1954, he was identified by Elizabeth Bentley as a member of a Soviet spy ring. However, he was saved from prosecution through the intervention of his ADL case officer, Mitchell Solomon.

By this point, the ADL had deployed the Soviet agent into the National Renaissance Party of Robert Madole , a Neo-Nazi counter gang that had been set up largely by the ADL infiltrators, in order to create the specter of a new fascist menace inside the United States.

According to the "Headlines" account, the Madole group attracted a small corps of members, principally on the basis of the ADL providing NRP founder Madole with a stable of prostitutes from the Mickey Jelkie vice ring. ADL officials, Ben Epstein and Arnold Forster, then reportedly used Stepankowski's information to inundate the Veld Commission--that's the House Unamerican Activities Committee--remember, I told you Joseph McCarthy was right. They inundated the committee with scare stories that the NRP had swelled to 200 to 700 members in New York City alone. [snip]

-William Cooper.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-07-02   16:09:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Eoghan, Lady X, wbales (#28)

I'm surprised this data hasn't been classified a "hate crime" or "holocaust denial" crime yet.

robin  posted on  2006-07-02   16:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Lady X (#27)

Have they been translated into english?

No.

"Benjamin Franklin was shown the new American constitution, and he said, 'I don't like it, but I will vote for it because we need something right now. But this constitution in time will fail, as all such efforts do. And it will fail because of the corruption of the people, in a general sense.' And that is what it has come to now, exactly as Franklin predicted." -- Gore Vidal

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-07-02   16:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Lady X, YertleTurtle (#27)

Tell us why Solzhenitsyn's last two books detailing the Jewish destruction of the Soviet Union haven't been published in the U.S.

Have they been translated into english?

And apparently not, so then why not? It's not the translation part, but the publishing angle that's not happening.

robin  posted on  2006-07-02   16:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: robin (#31)

Tell us why Solzhenitsyn's last two books detailing the Jewish destruction of the Soviet Union haven't been published in the U.S. Have they been translated into english?

And apparently not, so then why not? It's not the translation part, but the publishing angle that's not happening.

I don't know, but I can guess. The books, as I understand it, are quite critical of what Jewish Bolshevism did in the Soviet Union. I suspect the publishing houses don't want to touch them because of that.

"Benjamin Franklin was shown the new American constitution, and he said, 'I don't like it, but I will vote for it because we need something right now. But this constitution in time will fail, as all such efforts do. And it will fail because of the corruption of the people, in a general sense.' And that is what it has come to now, exactly as Franklin predicted." -- Gore Vidal

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-07-02   17:11:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

Heh, more like your hate and bait desire to see a return of good old fashioned pogroms got run into the ground by Adolf Hitler and company.

Even Hitler could be right about something. Besides that, he was being supported by a number of Zio-nazis (Ashkenazi-zionists) ... The American people are tolerant, patient even deeply apathetic at times ... but the day is soon approaching that they will awaken from their stupor and run the zio-nazi warmongers out of the country ... maybe all of this is good in the end.

You remind me of Winston in 1984 ... 2+2=5 ... right Winston.

You're too brain-fucked to dialogue with ... please don't respond to this post.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds (smites) you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

Samuel Adams ... and I concur !

noone222  posted on  2006-07-02   17:27:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Lady X, yertle turtle (#27)

Tell us why Solzhenitsyn's last two books detailing the Jewish destruction of the Soviet Union haven't been published in the U.S.

Have they been translated into english?

Lady X posted on 2006-07-02 16:06:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Well, yes they could have been. It is not a problem with any other books, translators are cheap.

It is the publishers that willl not allow the American population to have access to Solhenitzens's insights.

tom007  posted on  2006-07-02   22:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: noone222 (#33)

"You're too brain-fucked to dialog with ... please don't respond to this post."

Don't do what now? You are so dry humped your mind is a fossilized elephant booger. In any event, Hitler was wrong about everything, and nothing you can say will ever change that.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-07-03   0:16:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: YertleTurtle (#30)

From http://en.wikipedia.o rg /wiki/Alexander_Solzhenitsyn

Return to Russia

Since returning to Russia in 1994 Solzhenitsyn has published eight two-part short stories, a series of contemplative "miniatures" or prose poems, a literary memoir on his years in the West (The Grain Between the Millstones) and a two-volume work on the history of Russian-Jewish relations (Two Hundred Years Together 2001, 2002). The latter has been received as philo-semitic by some and anti-semitic by others. In it, Solzhenitsyn emphatically repudiates the idea that the Russian revolutions of 1905 and 1917 were the work of a "Jewish conspiracy" (see chapters 9, 14, and 15 of that work). At the same time, he calls on both Russians and Jews to come to terms with the members of their peoples who acted in complicity with the Communist regime. The reception of this work confirms that Solzhenitsyn remains a polarizing figure both at home and abroad. According to his critics, the book confirmed Solzhenitsyn's strongly anti-semitic views as well as his ideas of Russian supremacy to other nations. This came as a shock to many who considered him a hero for his opposition to the Soviet totalitarian regime.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-07-03   0:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: YertleTurtle (#26)

"Again I point out that you are a leftist, and like all leftists are consumed by hate and the desire to murder."

And you are amusing in your absurdity as usual. Consumed with hate am I now? Which is why if you showed up at my door I'd take you down to the local coffee shop and buy you a cup of Joe and talk about politics, or whatever.

And I want murder so much, I am - and have always been - against the death penalty. I am against abortion, and I strongly feel you have a right to voice your opinion, no matter how hateful or screwed up it is.

You are a strange dude, and when I hear you speak of how intelligent you are, it sounds like you are trying to convince you of that. Part of the trappings of a richly intelligent being is the inherent knowledge that affirmations are the worst way to try to relate how smart one is.

It is either apparent to the listener, or isn't. I had the Mensa battery of tests inflicted on me and my other siblings as a youth by my school teacher aunt and one of the worst things that happened to me was doing exceedingly well on it and making the cut.

There are some very screwed up people who spend allot of time at the club in Portland, and had I known what a stigma making that cut would be, I would of purposely flunked it.

I consider myself human, no better or worse or worthy of life than any of my fellow travelers on this planet. We all have something to offer each other, and I am going to kinda find you amusing and interesting, and even like some of your musings whether you like it or not, and whether I violently oppose much of what you believe politically.

If you can't feel compassion for the worst human being alive or dead after some fashion or even in the smallest of ways, you are probably worse off as a human then you realize. ;-)

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-07-03   0:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Ferret Mike (#35)

In any event, Hitler was wrong about everything, and nothing you can say will ever change that.

Hitler double-crossed the powers who financed him, i.e., the international bankers. But he was right about quite a bit.

Lawrence Dennis correctly predicted that fascism would come to America, though our leaders would call it by another name.

We've been "making the world safe for democracy" for nearly a hundred years. Where has it gotten us?

"To be nobody-but-yourself - in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can ever fight; and never stop fighting." E.E. Cummings

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-07-03   0:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: BTP Holdings (#38)

"But he was right about quite a bit."

Namely....? Examples? Give me something other then a simple statement with no examples to back up your assertions.

"We've been "making the world safe for democracy" for nearly a hundred years. Where has it gotten us?"

Mouthing platitudes is not "making the world safe for democracy." Wilson who took us into the Great War of 1914 to 1918 was a racist who removed all Negroes from the civil service and whose wife told "darkie" jokes in cabinet meetings.

The Doctrine of Discovery and Manifest Destiny, so deeply rooted in our history is not democracy in action. The American invention of Eugenics and Concentration camps perfected on Native Americans and called 'reservations was not democracy in action.

We need to first start being a democracy before we can make the world safe for it. And that is the bottom line to that notion.

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-07-03   1:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ferret Mike (#35)

Hitler isn't my idea of a model leader, however he did provide the impetus for the Autobahn and the VW.

You're replies are typically emotional outbursts without any substance. You have an emotional attachment to the plight of the so-called Jew and refuse to ask the most relevant question. Why have the Jews been expelled from every country they have infested ? Why is it that internal turmoil follows the Jew from society to society like a cancer wherever they are found ?

I do have empathy for the innocent Jew that finds himself caught up in the whirlwind created by the Jewish leadership, but this is no different than many innocent Americans tagged as warmongers because of the Bush Sanhedrin, and deservedly so. Until Americans get off of their asses and stop the warmongering assholes that have taken control of the country, we too deserve the worldwide animosity.

I am ashamed of America. I am saddened when I see the children murdered and maimed in the name of democracy and liberation, because it's a farce. I'm ashamed that America supports the State of Israel which is based upon a lie and exists soley to create the necessary terrorism to enslave the world through war.

I am ashamed of people calling themselves "great Americans" like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and Michael Savage that support the Sanhedrin pushing the Bush Cabal's imperical agenda, for a pay-check. I am more ashamed of the apathetic Americans that ignore the massive pain their government is inflicting upon the people in other lands. And you should be ashamed of the Jews leading the entire Jewish population into the abyss of another holocaust.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds (smites) you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

Samuel Adams ... and I concur !

noone222  posted on  2006-07-03   7:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Ferret Mike (#22)

first return to defending your idol Uncle Adolf which you were wise not to do.

You were certainly quick to bring "Uncle Adolf" into the equation. That's what zionists do ... cloud the facts with emotional bullshit.

Jew baiting is your favorite expression, and you throw it at anyone that criticises Jewish wrong doing.

It's commonly accepted knowledge that the Bolshevic Revolution was a Jew/Communist coup.

You typify the libel and slander attackers employed by the Zio-Nazis to flood a factual conversation with nonsensical horseshit and name calling.

Again, you've been ferreted out as a zio-nazi ... and it was sooooooo obvious.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds (smites) you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

Samuel Adams ... and I concur !

noone222  posted on  2006-07-04   7:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

Thanks, I'll go verify this. If they don't have it there, they can get it through inter-library services.

Just curious...

Have you looked for this yet? It exists.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-27   18:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

Thanks, I'll go verify this. If they don't have it there, they can get it through inter-library services.

Just curious. Have you verified this yet?

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-11-17   15:12:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: bluegrass (#43)

Forgot I hadn't answered this. Yes, I see it exists, and when I get time to do more reading on Columbus and the invasion of this hemisphere by our culture, I will order it and have it come to the UO library for me.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-18   15:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Ferret Mike (#44)

on Columbus and the invasion of this hemisphere by our culture

As you do the research, recall this from the B'nai B'rith piece above:

In view of these facts, Prof. Herbert B. Adams appropriately coined the fine epigram: "Not Jewels, but Jews were the real financial basis for the first expedition of Columbus."

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-11-18   15:56:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: christine, angle, Lady X, Cynicom, Tauzero, aristeides, wbales, Ridinshotgun, DeaconBenjamin, Horse, Ada, Ferret Mike, HOUNDDAWG, wadosy, nikki, farmfriend, *Hasbarfa Alert* (#0)

In recent years, the conviction has grown in the minds of scholars that Columbus' blood was partly Jewish. His mother, so it is alleged, came of a well-known Jewish family — the Ponte Rossi. And "Collom," which is the real name of Columbus, was that of an Italian Jewish family. As it was not safe in those days, in Spain, to be known as Jew, he called himself a "Genoese navigator." Though his origin is still a mooted question, it is pretty certain that he associated with Jews and was the recipient of their aid in his great work. When he failed to induce Ferdinand and Isabella to assist him in his undertaking, he turned to the Marrano, Louis de Santangel, the chan-celor of Aragon, for assistance. Together with his relative, Gabriel Sanchez, the royal treasurer, and his friend, Juan Cabrero, the royal chamberlain, also of Jewish blood, Santangel entered energetically into the plans of Columbus.

A little Columbus Day history review for ya.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-13   9:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: bluegrass (#46)

In recent years, the conviction has grown in the minds of scholars that Columbus' blood was partly Jewish.

Ever notice that Jews strain their buttons to "PROVE" some good guy was Jew or part so????

Then the reverse is true, they rant, rave and scream with mountains of paperwork proving that Hitler and Stalin were not Jews.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-13   9:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#47)

Actually, there's good evidence to show that Columbus was of Jewish background. It's historical fact that he had at five Jews on board and that the first slaveowner in North America was a Jew named Torres, Columbus's "interpreter".

Then the reverse is true, they rant, rave and scream with mountains of paperwork proving that Hitler and Stalin were not Jews.

We can see it happening in real time now as Jews try to distance themselves from the Neocon ideology.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-13   10:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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