As a Small Government Conservative (I would use the word “Libertarian”, but that’s a loaded word), it pains me to take the side of the Federal Government against a guy who can’t even simple facts straight.

1. Strike One About 8m:29s into the movie bit of text says “Executive Order 1099083; leading you to beleive that E.O. 10990 is some fascist order that “allows the gov’t to take over all modes of transportation” NOWHERE in the Order is the word transportation, or anything even remotely talking about transportation.

http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/jfkeo/eo/10990.htm Executive Order 10990 RE-ESTABLISHING THE FEDERAL SAFETY COUNCIL WHEREAS section 33 (c) of the Federal Employees’ Compensation Act, as amended (5 U.S.C. 784), declared it to be the purpose of the Congress to reduce the number of accidents and injuries among Government officers and employees, encourage safe practices, eliminate work hazards and health risks, and reduce compensable injuries; … … WHEREAS the President is authorized by the Act to establish by Executive order a safety council composed of representatives of Government departments and agencies to serve as an advisory body to the Secretary of Labor in furtherance of the safety program carried out by the Secretary pursuant to section 33 of the Act and to undertake such other measures as he deems proper to prevent injuries and accidents to persons covered by the Act: … JOHN F. KENNEDY THE WHITE HOUSE, February 2, 1962.

The most offensive clip from this trailer is a alleged quote from President Bush saying “the constitution is just a g-dd-mn piece of paper” in November 2005. I checked Google for this and it all comes back to anonymous sources (The New York Times’s favorite kind of source!) in the GOP as repoted by the much ridiculed “Capitol Hill Blue” http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

Unless Capitol Hill Blue can name sources with an affidavit I don’t think it’s true at all.

A little after nine minutes into the trailer the video says that President George W. Bush and ex-President Bill Clinton spied on the phone calls of Americans. This isn’t new and has been done by the National Security Agency since the 1940’s during ex-President Truman’s years and ever since. Tho this assumes that the gov’t actually PAYS ATTENTION to what you say on the phone. The government for one, isn’t efficient enough, nor does it have the manpower or computing power to actually monitor everyone in the world, or domestically in America. Unless you trigger keywords relating to overthrowing the goverment, bombing the White House, or mass murder, the government won’t care what you say.

This would be similar to saying that Google, Yahoo Search and MSN are all spying on the entire Internet since their websites save copies of everything it searches. It’s very simple, YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL, THE AMERICAN FEDERAL/STATE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT CARE WHAT YOU WRITE UNLESS YOU THREATEN A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL.

Being wary of the goverment is a good thing, but abject paranoia and jumping to insane conclusions is another.

#2: Hardly a strike at all. If this is all this guy can find wrong with the film, then I'd give it an A+.

I haven't viewed the film but have heard others speak of it. I heard Bill call in to RBN after seeing the flick in Austin, and commending Mr. Russo for the films ability to awaken the uninformed to a very complicated set of circumstances that amount to the police state we live in.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

And the circle shoot continues. I hold zero hope that our small group of enlightened folks will ever grow in numbers. It seems every time someone does something positive, others are eger to discredit them and their work. I give up.

I saw the film, and I agree...very easy to understand; even 'mall walkers' should get it.

I do think we are constantly growing in numbers, BUT it doesn't make a damn bit of difference if at some point (and probably pretty soon) we don't take action. And I don't think rallies or demonstrations will accomplish anything (I apologize for not knowing how to do this any way other than put in this link!) - see: http://informationclearinghouse.info/article13018.htm

By the way, if you do the second link first, after it's over you can access the first one (a good way of doing it!) by scrolling down to the bottom of the page.

And to someone that does know how to put these directly on this forum, someone should put at least the second link on... Buffalo Springfield's For What It's Worth - for all the music buffs!

"This country has come to feel the same when congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer." Will Rogers..... "None can love freedom heartily but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." John Milton.....

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

I think this past weekend's 9-11 Truth conference was a huge success. 1,100 people flew into LA from around the country. The fact that Charlie Sheen was there is no small coup. IMHO, we need to save our nickes and dimes and get to the next gathering. There is no better way to meet and develop strategy.

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For What it's Worth - Buffalo Springfield

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

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Video Footage of Police Riot

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

(footage of the Portland Police Riots Used above)

Police State America

Short video shows how police use surveillance of U.S. citizens who participate in Anti-War protest

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There is a cost to misidentifying a friend as an enemy. There is also a cost in misidentifying an enemy as a friend. It is arguable which is greater, but both are large.

You might say, in considering these costs, the resistance, such as it is, it a bit too present-oriented.

Le Bon was right. You should not hold out any hope for an enlightened mass movement.

It is an axiom that nothing of broad political consequence can be achieved without groupthink.

Nothing of direct political consequence will arise from oh-so-civil discussion forums. Though perhaps some seeds can be planted.

To build a unified opposition requires the use of retention techniques to hammer competing groups into line, or conversion to expand a particular faction which, when sufficiently powerful, can absorb the others.

Unity of purpose does not however require unity of organization. A cell structure may be in order. Patriots should stop waiting for some leader to come from within the system and instead start forming cells. Anyone that works within the system will have a stake in it. From a cell perhaps a leader will emerge, one able to work the system but not beholden to it.

Reconquista is working because there is a source of power there independent of the system being attacked.

Not likely, JT. This group on 4 is pretty much the brain trust. There are a few other isolated pockets, but most people are S T U P I D.

I agree, and I’m not looking for lockstep thought. What I do hope for – and what there is precedent for – is mass anger. I’m not sure who, or what, will stir the pot enough to reach critical mass, but dammit it if we don’t have a knack for shooting various messengers at the wrong time.

So you're not planning on voting Dem this November as your political foes screech incessantly?

Once an office is staffed by "the other" the dynamic changes. The old guard gave up everything, new ones need to find a balance.

Weapons hot and armed; paint the target. The activities unfortunately overlap. But yes, if you want a revolution -- any revolution -- any target will do. Tricky, tricky, getting the right ones painted in the end.

It depends on the candidate. In general though, I think the best overall voting strategy is to vote out the incumbent. It reasserts some balance with the graft, and prevents any of them from becoming singularly powerful. It also forces them to maintain some illusion of actually working for the people rather than their own wallets.

It's a shame Americans are afraid to vote for real candidates. If a slappy fight is what it takes to keep them from passing even more laws then I say hail slappy fight.

Americans will never vote for an honest man, and seldom for a smart one. Our "leaders" generally end up reflecting the populace. I think the best we can do frequently is try to keep the politicians off balance and prevent them from taking as much money and power as possible.

All revolutions are betrayed. But if the other is sufficiently different, the office, which is a thing particular to a combination of ethos and ethnos, will survive only in vestigial fashion, assuming it survives at all; the office may retain the same name and even the same ceremony, but it won't really be the same office, in function and power.

The written Constitution is abrogated for the very simple reason that the people for whom it was written no longer exists. The Constitution does not reflect our constitution.

We have a government that reflects us, one our incomparable forefathers would not have countenanced. An emperor we call president and nine black-robed clerics we call judges -- mainly out of habit. A new balance indeed.