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Title: PPOPE JOHN IS DEAD
Source: NPR
URL Source: http://www.motherjones.com/news/dailymojo/2005/04/build_it.html
Published: Apr 2, 2005
Author: ME
Post Date: 2005-04-02 15:03:48 by tom007
Keywords: PPOPE, JOHN, DEAD
Views: 161
Comments: 41

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#1. To: All (#0)

Just came over the radio.

tom007  posted on  2005-04-02   15:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tom007 (#0)

Yeah, I heard he was really sick.

wbales  posted on  2005-04-02   15:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: wbales (#2)

Well, he isn't sick now. And, you can forget about any other news for about a month unless it is beneficial to the Bushites.

Don  posted on  2005-04-02   15:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tom007 (#1)

justlurking  posted on  2005-04-02   15:08:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: tom007 (#0)

RIP, JPII.

Lod  posted on  2005-04-02   15:17:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tom007 (#0)

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2005-04-02   15:20:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Don, Jethro Tull, justlurking (#3)

There was some clown just now on Faux News talking about about the Pope loved the Jews and brought the Catholic Church closer to the Jews and how the Pope will be remembered for joining the religions and battling anti-semitism and BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

NOTHING, of course, about the Pope's position on the Iraq War and the war monger Zionuts behind Bush and that war. We'll WON'T be hearing much about those opinions/statements of the Pope, now will we!

wbales  posted on  2005-04-02   15:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: wbales (#7)

The leader of the Catholic Church and greatest living symbol of Christian faith has died. People are in mourning right now. Let them mourn in peace.

mirage  posted on  2005-04-02   15:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: wbales (#7)

NBC mentioned it briefly, only in the comment that Bush and John Paul "debated" the Iraq war. No mention though that John Paul came out fully against Bush's war.

justlurking  posted on  2005-04-02   15:33:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: wbales (#7)

We'll WON'T be hearing much about those opinions/statements of the Pope, now will we!

wbales posted on 2005-04-02 15:30:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

I would bet less than a penny!

tom007  posted on  2005-04-02   15:33:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mirage (#8)

People are in mourning right now. Let them mourn in peace.

When, then, may I resume trashing the federal media who is mis-representing and using this man's death for political purposes?

wbales  posted on  2005-04-02   15:40:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: wbales, christine, zipporah, robin (#7)

There was some clown just now on Faux News talking about about the Pope loved the Jews and brought the Catholic Church closer to the Jews and how the Pope will be remembered for joining the religions and battling anti-semitism and BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words...

1776  posted on  2005-04-02   15:46:11 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: 1776 (#12)

There are some who include the Vatican in the New World Order evil triumvarate: the World Big Business/Bankers Elite; the Zionists; and the Pope/Vatican.

I REALLY do not see that nor accept that. The latter two are working towards the demise--the ultimate destruction--of the Catholic Church, in particular, and Christianity, in general.

wbales  posted on  2005-04-02   15:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: wbales (#13)

I REALLY do not see that nor accept that. The latter two are working towards the demise--the ultimate destruction--of the Catholic Church, in particular, and Christianity, in general.

I would agree with your assessment, of course what happens next may indeed bring the Catholic organization into the zionist NWO camp, that is quite possible and I think both Mel and Hutton Gibson would agree with that.

1776  posted on  2005-04-02   15:56:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: 1776 (#14)

Destruction/control from within has a familiar ring to it, yes?

wbales  posted on  2005-04-02   16:01:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: mirage (#8)

greatest living symbol of Christian faith has died.

that's certainly a matter of opinion.

christine  posted on  2005-04-02   16:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: wbales, mirage (#13)

Father Malachi Martin and the “Enemy Within” Satanic Plots and the Fall of the Catholic Church

christine  posted on  2005-04-02   16:37:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: wbales, Jethro Tull, 1776 (#17)

Of those that have accused the Vatican of being infiltrated by satanists, none has been as widely noticed as the late Malachi Martin. An expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls, he also wrote about such widely diverse topics as exorcism, Church history and modern geopolitics. None of his books have been so controversial — or so misunderstood or ignored by the mainstream press — as his works that deal with this ominous and sensitive topic.

JT interviewed Malachi a number of times when JT had a radio show and they subsequently became friends. I have a copy of one of those interviews in which Malachi speaks extensively about the Luciferian ideology which exists in the Vatican.

christine  posted on  2005-04-02   16:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: christine (#18)

A blast from the past: Pope fears Bush is antichrist, journalist contends - Church - journalist Wayne Madsden.

aristeides  posted on  2005-04-02   16:54:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: aristeides (#19)

i remember that.

christine  posted on  2005-04-02   17:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: christine (#20)

I made an identical posting on LP, and it has been deleted as "uncivil." How is my posting uncivil?

aristeides  posted on  2005-04-02   17:20:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: aristeides, Zipporah, Neil McIver, Jethro Tull, crack monkey, robin (#21)

are you kidding me?

christine  posted on  2005-04-02   17:23:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#22)

#16 on this thread.

aristeides  posted on  2005-04-02   17:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: aristeides (#21)

Come on counselor! On LP, that post IS prima facie uncivil.

And, by the time LP, FR and the federal media is done, the Pope will be remembered as being pro-Iraq war and, above all, an Israel Firster.

wbales  posted on  2005-04-02   17:29:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: justlurking (#4)

May you rest in the arms of Jesus, Holy Father, you were a decent and strong man.

Ex-Catholic Cappy

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-04-02   17:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#25)

May you rest in the arms of Jesus, Holy Father, you were a decent and strong man.

Ex-Catholic Cappy

I'll add an Amen to that. I gotta say, the way I'm feeling, I don't know if one is ever truly an ex catholic. The church has a strong pull at times like this. Must be the rituals, I am not sure.

I watched ABC's Special Report this afternoon. I am shocked there was no mention that I caught of the assassination attempt on him. If there was, it was so brief I didn't catch it. There is a powerful story of forgiveness there.

justlurking  posted on  2005-04-02   17:59:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: justlurking (#26)

That assassination attempt also took a toll on his health. He was strong and athletic before that.

robin  posted on  2005-04-02   18:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: robin (#27)

That assassination attempt also took a toll on his health. He was strong and athletic before that.

It was interesting to watch all the flash backs of his trips and such. He did seem to go down hill after that didn't he?

justlurking  posted on  2005-04-02   18:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: christine, wbales, 1776 (#18)

Malachi Martin.

I was a friend of Malachi. I'm sure everyone here knows his work regarding the church. Christine is right; he detailed the Luciferian influence within the Vatican. He mentioned many times to me that when Pope John Paul ll dies, the next pope will be the last. He believed this new pope will usher in the NWO and befriend the anti Christ. His stories about our immediate future were chilling and something I’ve never forgotten.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-02   18:35:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: robin (#27)

That assassination attempt also took a toll on his health. He was strong and athletic before that.

Geez, folks...he was 84. We should all consider ourselves blessed if we live that long (especially if you're a resident of Florida).

who knows what evil  posted on  2005-04-02   18:41:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: who knows what evil (#30)

Of course I never meant to discount his age as a major factor in his demise.

robin  posted on  2005-04-02   18:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: who knows what evil (#30)

Geez, folks...he was 84. We should all consider ourselves blessed if we live that long (especially if you're a resident of Florida).

That's true, but it's too bad he got so crippled up in the end. I felt sorry for him for the past six years or so. The physical problems might have sapped his effectiveness just when he was most needed. He commanded a lot of respect and didn't seem to have much baggage attached - no real conroversy, no enemies, etc. He did have the courage to oppose Bush when none of the other world figures really did.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-02   18:52:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: aristeides (#21)

I made an identical posting on LP, and it has been deleted as "uncivil." How is my posting uncivil?

I don't know, but it might be offensive to the anti-Christ. Imagine people going around and comparing a total buffoon to the brilliant leader that will fool all but the very elite Christians. Bush can't even fool a kid. He will never live down "My Pet Goat."

I'm not sure why it's offensive to Goldi; Bush can't run again. Some Bush-bot must have complained.

RickyJ  posted on  2005-04-02   23:47:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: tom007 (#0)

He was an extraordinary human being. He will be missed.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-04-02   23:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: wbales (#11)

When, then, may I resume trashing the federal media who is mis-representing and using this man's death for political purposes?

Bashing the media is always fine. For the Pope, there is a nine-day mourning period.

mirage  posted on  2005-04-03   4:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#17)

Interesting article, but I can't buy it as fact. An old family friend has been a Cardinal for many years and I have relatives who are Jesuit Priests. What they have to say is radically different.

But I will agree that many folks have the sexual morals of garden slugs.

mirage  posted on  2005-04-03   4:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: christine (#17)

Father Malachi Martin and the “Enemy Within” Satanic Plots and the Fall of the Catholic Church

The above article makes mention of a "deal" being struck between the Roman Church and the Masonic brotherhood ... and the obvious Masonic Murder (Suicided by Hanging under Black Friars Bridge) of the Vatican Banker, Roberto Calvi, at the boundary line of the "city" of London speaks volumes in support of this supposition.

Malachi Martin was also a Jew and a Jesuit, like Adam Weishaupt ... was he also an illuminist ? He was writing a very dangerous book at the time of his death ? Did he violate his oath of secrecy to the Jesuit Order ?

noone222  posted on  2005-04-03   6:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: noone222, Jethro Tull (#37)

Malachi Martin was also a Jew

i don't think so?

christine  posted on  2005-04-03   11:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: christine (#38)

Malachi Martin was also a Jew

Any factual biographer of Jesuit Father Malachi Martin, who died July 28, allegedly of natural causes, will have to summon Moliere's Tartuffe to paint the whole landscape of this triple agent's fascinating and checkered career. At one time or another Martin was a radical, a liberal, a conservative, a Jewish agent, a Jewish critic, John Paul II's best media mole and the Vatican's greatest nemesis; a novelist, a boozer, a literary pirate, a womanizer, a Jesuit, one of John XXIII's periti and on we could go, inventorying the warehouse full of personas this virtuoso con man wore and discarded like yesterday's fashions.

Malachi Martin was the descendant of a Jewish banker who sought refuge in Ireland. While Jesuit "peritus" (theology expert) to Cardinal Augustin Bea (another Catholic of Jewish descent), Martin was the architect of the catastrophic 1965 Church document, "Nostra Aetate," which reversed nineteen centuries of Christian teaching on Judaism:

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/occult3.html

Mr. Roddy, after noting that the American Jewish Committee and B'nai B'rith put pressure on the Vatican Council to alter Catholic doctrine in their favor, reported that the real author of the Council's surrender to Judaism was a French Jew named Jules Isaac, who coöperated with a "Fifth Column" (7) of Marrano traitors in the Council, including the slimy Cardinal Bea, but the success of the work of subversion was to be attributed to a "priest spy," a Jesuit who served on the staff of Bea and shuttled back and forth between the Vatican and the American Jewish Committee in New York.

Mr. Patterson reports that his research has identified the "priest-spy" as Malachi Martin, alias (by his own admission) Michael Serafian, alias (by implication) F.F. Cartus, and (therefore) alias Timothy Fitzharris-O'Boyle.

Martin's career corresponds to the clues given by Roddy. He was a Jesuit, had been a professor in the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome (reputed to be a scholar of Semitic languages and an expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls), had migrated to New York, written for the Jewish periodical, Commentary, under an alias, a book, The Pilgrim, under another alias, and under his own name many articles as a "conservative Catholic" for Buckley's National Review, of which he was, for a time, the Religious Editor. Although neither Roddy nor Mr. Patterson mentions the even more significant fact, Malachi Martin claims to have been an intimate friend and advisor of Roncalli.

http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/church.htm

noone222  posted on  2005-04-03   12:16:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: christine, noone222 (#38)

I have to say the study of religion bores me to tears. I consider it akin to a hobby; while I can still name every member of the 1969 Mets, some folks can rattle off scripture and verse. That doesn’t make either activity (baseball or the study of religion) more important than the other, at least for me. That said, I knew Malachi Martin. As we said growing up, he was as Irish as patty’s pig. I no more believe he is the descendant of Jewish international bankers, than you are. But that’s my opinion, having known the man and his innermost thoughts. I’m sure some internet material exists out there that can be woven into a conspiracy; the man had many enemies. But I don’t buy it. The body of work he left behind, and the personal knowledge some of us cherish, dispels any connection for me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-03   12:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#40)

This has nothing to do with any facts related to Malachi Martin. I listened to Art Bell's program several times when Malachi was his guest. I should say that I was raised Catholic and am of Irish/German descent, and have no axe to grind with Malachi martin personally. I've read most of his books and found him to be interesting to say the least. I disagreed with his explanations of scriptures, but I also disagree with the doctrines of the Church I was raised in because they are not Biblically based.

One night I had listened to Malachi Martin on Art Bell, and had also been on the phone with a friend discussing Martin's comments to callers questions. I fell asleep on my sofa after talking with my friend and had a dream. I hardly ever dream and worse I never remember them. This time I did.

In the dream I walked into a dark room but could feel a presence. I asked who's here ? The voice said I'm Malachi Martin, I'm a Jew first and then a priest.

I called my friend and told him about the dream, and this was long before I ever heard that Malachi Martin was Jewish. Whether he is Jewish or not really isn't important enough for disputations.

The dream was weird though.

noone222  posted on  2005-04-03   13:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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