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Title: Jesus might have been homosexual, says the first openly gay bishop
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The Telegraph UK
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai ... .xml&sSheet=/news/2005/04/03/i
Published: Apr 4, 2005
Author: Elizabeth Day
Post Date: 2005-04-03 10:58:53 by Zipporah
Keywords: homosexual,, openly, bishop
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Comments: 54
The first openly gay Anglican bishop has sparked outrage for suggesting that Jesus might have been homosexual. The Rt Rev Gene Robinson, the Bishop of New Hampshire in the Episcopal Church of the United States, said that Jesus was an unmarried, "non-traditional man" who did not uphold family values, "travelled with a bunch of men" and enjoyed an especially close relationship with one of his disciples. His comments, made in a recent address at the Christ Church of Hamilton and Wenham in Massachusetts, have enraged traditional Anglicans who have suggested that the Bishop should be "struck down by thunder and lightning bolts". Bishop Robinson, whose consecration in 2003 triggered a schism between evangelicals and liberals in the worldwide Anglican Communion, was giving an address entitled "Homosexuality and the Body of Christ: Is There a New Way?" In answer to a question from the congregation about how the acceptance of homosexuality could be squared with the scriptural emphasis on redemption for sins, the Bishop replied: "Interestingly enough, in this day of traditional family values, this man that we follow was single, as far as we know, travelled with a bunch of men, had a disciple who was known as 'the one whom Jesus loved' and said my family is not my mother and father, my family is those who do the will of God. None of us likes those harsh words. That's who Jesus is, that's who he was at heart, in his earthly life. ''Those who would posit the nuclear family as the be all and end all of God's creation probably don't find that much in the gospels to support it," he said. David Virtue, an evangelical commentator who runs the influential conservative Anglican website, VirtueOnline, called the comments "rubbish". He said: "It is appalling deconstructionism from the liberal lobby which will spin even the remotest thing to turn it into a hint that Biblical figures are gay. It is so utterly preposterous to imply that Jesus's relationship with John was homo-erotic, but twisting the truth is the only way these people can get scriptural justification for their lifestyles. Can you imagine Calvin, Luther or Erasmus saying something like this? It is a wonder that thunder and lightning bolts don't strike Bishop Robinson down." Mr Virtue also said that passages in which Bishop Robinson compared the loneliness of being gay to a black person being called "a nigger" were "deeply offensive". The comments came at the end of a sermon in which Bishop Robinson dispensed with his notes and spoke freely of his experiences growing up as a homosexual. In one passage he recalled a Playboy magazine being handed around his classmates and realising that it was causing them "a whole lot more excitement" than it was for him. "I was terrified in high school, especially dreading the 10th grade [for 16-year-olds] when we would go into a gym class and have to go into the showers and I was absolutely terrified that I would get beaten to a bloody pulp if something happened in the showers that might indicate in some way that I was erotically attracted to boys my own age," he continued. "It was a very lonely place to be. At least if you're black and you're called a nigger, you can go home to your mother and father and say, 'Oh my god, they called me a nigger today', and the parents have had the same experience. But a young kid growing up terribly fearful that he or she might be gay can't go home to the parents because of the consequences." Bishop Robinson, who married his partner, Mark, said that he had come to reconcile his sexuality with his faith and could feel "God's light and God's life ooze over me like warm butter". Canon Chris Sugden, a spokesman for the evangelical organisation, Anglican Mainstream, said: "He's really selective in what he's addressing. He makes no mention of Jesus's teaching on marriage, for instance. And he does not acknowledge that nowhere in the text or in ancient literature is there any suggestion of any form of sexual impropriety among Jesus or the disciples. Jesus broke the cultural traditions of the time and has women mixing with men in public and having them teaching. Those of us who put scripture as a priority are called on to obey the scripture even when that is in conflict with our culture. "Bishop Robinson is saying that the culture has moved in his direction and that it's all becoming accepted, so he's looking for ways to interpret scripture to support that instead of realising that scripture asks us to do the unpopular thing and stand against the prevailing culture." This is not the first time that it has been suggested Jesus might have been gay. In 1977 Mary Whitehouse, the moral campaigner, brought a private prosecution against the Gay News for publishing a poem by Professor James Kirkup called The Love That Dares To Speak Its Name. The poem depicted a centurion's love for Christ and the newspaper was fined under the blasphemy laws. Mike Barwell, a spokesman for Bishop Robinson, said: "Jesus was a non-traditional person who broke all the rules and hung out with all the wrong people. Anything else that people infer from the Bishop's comments is all speculation." ******************************************************************************* This is so outrageous that it's almost laughable other than there is an agenda behing the bishop's statements.. of course.
Traditionalists have suggested that the Bishop should be ‘struck down by thunder and lightning bolts’
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#14. To: Sam Houston (#11)
This also would apply to evidence that he was cohabiting with a known whore like Mary Magdalene. Excellent point for they would have found any avenue to destroy Him that they had any 'evidence' for.. and they crucified Him on trumpted up 'charges'..
Do they have MTV yet?
Good point.
There are times to open our mouths and times we shouldn't.. but the tactics of some like those in the photo, IMO just appear ridiculous.. But when the spirit leads we should follow..
I don't think it can be positively demonstrated that Mary Magdalene was anything more than a Temple Priestess which may have been the same as a whore. What we know for certain is that she was possessed of demons.
Just posting an update to this story, as It's local news here. I'm not a Christian and don't have a dog in this race one way or the other. I just posted for those interested! :)
I would aver that most Christians aren't either, they've been fooled to think they are.
You're joking right? Nothing uplifts the soul like a photo of a herd of cows silhouetted against a cross. Such grandeur! Such majesty! Such bovine beauty! You can almost hear the heavenly chorus accompanying God's creatures home.
True.. there is no bible evidence that she was a prostitute..
Luke 8:1After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another,
proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, 2and
also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called
Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out.....
''Those who would posit the nuclear family as the be all and end all of God's creation probably don't find that much in the gospels to support it," he said. Horse Crap. It can't be squared with scripture, this is obvious on it's face. If Jesus was a homosexual, and both the deed of homosexuality is a sin (an abomination, in fact) as welll as the condition of the heart that leads to it then he could not have been a perfect sacrifice.. Read: NO Messiah. And so far as the nuclear family goes, the entire Bible is cast in this light after God himself estabilised it in Genesis. This man is blind, he should be removed from his position. If the leadership refuses to do it, the congregation should abandon that church both physically & financially.
I don't know, but they're getting comic books. U.S. army to produce Mid-East comic books They sure self police their belief system. They do, but I'm not too keen about how they do it. (Stonings, chopping off hands, women as chattel, etc.).
It is a load of manure.. and I agree he should be removed.. Amazing how far people will go to justify their lifestyle/beliefs.. Why is this man a bishop? So he wants to live as a homosexual .. fine have at it.. but to attempt to prevert Christianity to fit his beliefs ..is outrageous.
Indeed, for the sake of success.. perhaps he has adopted the administration's model? They've certainly scored some goals here recently..
Yeah, there are gonna be 6000 really pissed off bots.
Jesus was a Rabbi, requiring marriage. The stakes were high enough that he wouldn't dare get caught in the proverbial closet. This Bishop may initiate an anti-queer backlash.
you know, maybe you can show me the verse where jesus instucts his apostles to SPECIFICALLY start a bureacracy of churches. and I could never find the part where he said even that when he's gone, he wants everyone to worship him.
No, I wasn't joking. I would refer you to Romans 8:4 ... and further, nothing positive results from conversing with you so I would prefer to abstain.
I see your point ... and it appears to me that regardless of the evidence, some people get it and some people don't ! Eyes to see and ears to hear.
so, lets say your a muslim cleric, and you're nothing but an infiltrator for the satanic, nwo agenda. You want to get your agenda injected into the cultural stream. so, you write a little piece of tripe about how mohammed was gay, or a liar, or take your pick...it's all intended to do the same thing. now, how long do you have left to live? exactly. say what you want about their culture and faith. you may not agree with it. that's fine. but you can't disagree with the fact that they damn well mean what they say, and if you don't want a part of it, blasphemy will get you killed. So, the faith is what it is. No watering down, nothing like the christian multi cultural infiltration. if you don't like it, you don't join islam. if you join, you won't be infiltrating with anything. and you won't be blaspheming the faith as a representative of it, unlike the satanic, globalist trash that infects christianity and judaism. in my opinion, this is the real reason for the fight in the mideast. its cultural as much as anything else. bushco calls it 'democratization'....it's code for cultural sabotage....a world where women act like shallow pigs and the men act worse still. All fashionably dressed in levi jeans, a seven eleven and a mcdonalds outlet right inside the mosques...or at least Coke machines...
I think you have hit the nail on the head ... this should become a famous quote.
far out. manipulati.
All 6000 will post at the same instant and the latest comments page will go bizzurrk. When it happens, just remember that op told us about it first.
You mean Islamic nations won't play along with the homosexual pedaphiles and whatever else is running loose in the hallways of our govt?
get behind me, harlot! do you wish to get stoned?;-) the temple tantric sex goddesses really decreased absenteeism, and swelled the rolls, for sure. and they really put it all out there for the temple tax. now, all we have is bunch of fat, dumb pedophiles.
that's about it. and the chinese and the russians are well aware of the nastiness. oh, and did you notice HOW FAST wolfowitz got the OK for the world bank? looks like they had a bunch of blackmail dope on the guys doing the approving.
Look what Trace said about this on the LP thread: Bishop Robinson, who married his partner, Mark, said that he had come to reconcile his sexuality with his faith and could feel "God's light and God's life ooze over me like warm butter". Bishop--that's not butter that's oozing all over you. Trace21230 posted on 2005-04-03 13:38:25 ET Reply Trace Given his inside knowledge of the subject, I wonder what Trace has visualized oozing all over the Bishp. No .... on second thought I take that back. I don't want to know what Trace is visualizing here. Gaaaccckk!!!
oh, and did you notice HOW FAST wolfowitz got the OK for the world bank? looks like they had a bunch of blackmail dope on the guys doing the approving. A treasure trove of Kodak moments, just waiting for the perfect opportunity. D.C. needs an enema.
Explains the growth of the home church movement.
Now that would be worth seeing! Too bad it's too early for the 4th of July. Don't forget, TLBSHOW would go off like Mt. St. Helen's, too, causing a tsunami way over on Lake Michigan...
Trace21230 posted on 2005-04-03 13:38:25 ET Reply Trace Trash is just jealous 'cause his doctor won't let him eat anything but margerine.
Gaaaccckk!!! GACK is right.. leave to trace to take something to an even more disgusting level..
I belonged to a large church several years ago and this church had home 'cell' groups.. it was a good thing really for each group had a lay pastor.. and the people didnt get 'lost' attending a large church. Mainly the groups were for bible study and prayer.
and I could never find the part where he said even that when he's gone, he wants everyone to worship him. The is no verse as you know.. that instructs his apostles to SPECIFICALLY start a bureaucracy of churches.. but Jesus was born, raised and died under the law and if you remember correctly God did instruct Moses to set up a 'bureaucracy of sorts.. dividing the people with leaders over them. Jesus claimed that He was God and is God:.. Matt. 4:10; Lk. 4:8 Rev. 22:13: "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last [Rev. 1:17; 2:8], the Beginning and the End." Heb. 13:8, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes and forever." .........and when Jesus walked on water his disciples "worshiped Him." (Matt. 14:33). Jesus did not rebuke them. .. and in Heb. 1:6 explicitly says of the Lord Jesus.... "Let all the angels of God worship Him". .......and Jesus instructed his followers to worship God: John 4: 23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." .....There are many other instances where Jesus said to worship God.. SO .. Jesus did instruct his followers to worship God.. and Jesus was and is God .. thus Jesus being God requires us to worship Him... "You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only" (Matt. 4:9,10; Lk. 4:7,8).
Yes, on that we can agree. Continue worrying over the irrelevant ... enjoy your nap in total darkness ... languish in chains ... think about what your thoughts say to you. When you come up with something relevant, do let us know. Men don’t fool men ... words do. That's why the bible is so comforting to y'all.
Get with the dang program, will ya? Those who perceive many of man’s ills as arising from his culture are also the sort to believe that sweat causes exercise, and that fat comes from the cellulite fairy.
got it-------> God IT! good culture, bad culture-THROAT CULTURE!!! vulture culture-DR Mower, wood mulcher.
The only statements like that that I can think of in the New Testament are by St. Paul. I can't think of any such statements by the "disciples and apostles that walked with" Jesus.
I can't think of any evidence of that in the Gospels.
You're right, it was St.Paul who wrote very clearly on the subject. Christ spoke of the sanctity of marriage, and referred to fornication and adultery.
The Old Testament refers to homosexuality as sin, and God's punishment of Sodom makes this even clearer. There is some difference of opinion as to whether "porneia" (Greek for fornication) included homosexuality.
I think Jesus' critcs, which were legion, would have brought this out at the time and it would have been on the bill of particulars submitted to Pilate as to why he should be crucified.
#15. To: gengis gandhi (#2)
I'll tell you one thing I admire about the muslims. They sure self police their belief system. You aint'gonna infiltrate that one with humanist post modern gibberish.
#16. To: noone222 (#13)
Easter, named for Ashtar (complete with "eggs" and bunny rabbits) is fertility worship and has nothing whatsoever to do with Paschal (Passover).
#17. To: robin (#10)
Sometimes I don't say anything just because something seems so absurd, I hate giving it any more attention. But, maybe that's the wrong tactic.
#18. To: Zipporah, Sam Houston (#14)
This also would apply to evidence that he was cohabiting with a known whore like Mary Magdalene.
#19. To: noone222 (#13)
#20. To: Japedo (#19)
I'm not a Christian and don't have a dog in this race
#21. To: noone222 (#18)
#22. To: noone222 (#18)
#23. To: Zipporah (#0)
In answer to a question from the congregation about how the acceptance of homosexuality could be squared with the scriptural emphasis on redemption for sins, the Bishop replied: "Interestingly enough, in this day of traditional family values, this man that we follow was single, as far as we know, travelled with a bunch of men, had a disciple who was known as 'the one whom Jesus loved' and said my family is not my mother and father, my family is those who do the will of God. None of us likes those harsh words. That's who Jesus is, that's who he was at heart, in his earthly life.
#24. To: Dakmar, gengis gandhi (#15)
Do they have MTV yet?
#25. To: Jhoffa_ (#23)
#26. To: Zipporah (#25)
..but to attempt to prevert Christianity to fit his beliefs ..is outrageous.
#27. To: crack monkey (#1)
But this title - just the title by itself - would really stir up the people over on LP
#28. To: Zipporah (#0)
#29. To: Zipporah (#6)
#30. To: 2Trievers (#21)
You're joking right?
#31. To: robin (#10)
Sometimes I don't say anything just because something seems so absurd, I hate giving it any more attention.
#32. To: robin (#24)
#33. To: gengis gandhi (#32)
in my opinion, this is the real reason for the fight in the mideast. its cultural as much as anything else. bushco calls it 'democratization'....it's code for cultural sabotage....a world where women act like shallow pigs and the men act worse still. All fashionably dressed in levi jeans, a seven eleven and a mcdonalds outlet right inside the mosques...or at least Coke machines...
#34. To: Dakmar (#15)
#35. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#27)
Yeah, there are gonna be 6000 really pissed off bots.
#36. To: gengis gandhi (#32)
in my opinion, this is the real reason for the fight in the mideast. its cultural as much as anything else. bushco calls it 'democratization'....it's code for cultural sabotage....a world where women act like shallow pigs and the men act worse still. All fashionably dressed in levi jeans, a seven eleven and a mcdonalds outlet right inside the mosques...or at least Coke machines...
#37. To: 2Trievers (#3)
#38. To: robin (#36)
#39. To: Zipporah (#0)
#40. To: gengis gandhi (#38)
and the chinese and the russians are well aware of the nastiness.
#41. To: Zipporah (#12)
And I know many Christians that dont belong or attend any church.. for trying to find a church in the US that preaches and teaches the 'pure' gospel is difficult to say the least.
#42. To: crack monkey (#35)
All 6000 will post at the same instant and the latest comments page will go bizzurrk.
#43. To: crack monkey (#39)
Bishop--that's not butter that's oozing all over you.
#44. To: crack monkey (#39)
No .... on second thought I take that back. I don't want to know what Trace is visualizing here.
#45. To: who knows what evil (#41)
Explains the growth of the home church movement.
#46. To: gengis gandhi (#29)
you know, maybe you can show me the verse where jesus instucts his apostles to SPECIFICALLY start a bureacracy of churches.
#47. To: noone222 (#30)
#48. To: gengis gandhi (#37)
#49. To: 2Trievers (#48)
#50. To: Zipporah (#0)
#51. To: noone222 (#4)
The disciples and apostles that walked with Him also made multiple references to homosexuality being an abomination.
#52. To: robin (#10)
Jesus spoke vehemently against homosexuality.
#53. To: aristeides (#52)
#54. To: aristeides, noone222 (#52)
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