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Title: Tolerance Strikes Again
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The Reactionary Utopian
URL Source: http://www.sobran.com/columns/index.shtml
Published: Jul 4, 2006
Author: Joseph Sobran
Post Date: 2006-07-04 11:03:56 by Zoroaster
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Views: 403
Comments: 25
The Reactionary Utopian Tolerance Strikes Again June 15, 2006 Another media typhoon: “Metro Board Member Fired for Comment on Gays.” I’m glad I don’t have to unpack that headline for Grandpa Sobran, who went to his reward in 1959, when the world was more or less normal. Today you may lose your job for using the word normal. Grandpa Sobran deserves to be remembered for one priceless remark. When my father asked him, around 1938, why he thought there would be another war, he explained, “You can’t have two bulls in the same pasture.” That simple, pregnant comment contained a presumption about normality that is no longer acceptable: that bulls like cows better than they like other bulls. In the age of Brokeback Mountain, we must allow for the possibility that a pair of bulls may prefer an alternative lifestyle. So the Republican governor of Maryland fired the guy, one Robert Smith, for saying, “Homosexual behavior, in my view, is deviant.” Feeling a need to explain this quaint view, Smith added, “I’m a Roman Catholic.” Catholics still believe that bulls prefer cows. A dogma, I guess. The governor also felt a need to explain his action: “Robert Smith’s comments were highly inappropriate, insensitive, and unacceptable. They are in direct conflict to [sic] my administration’s commitment to inclusiveness, tolerance, and opportunity.” Such “tolerance” makes the blood run cold. Smith made his comment on an obscure cable show, where he was giving his own opinion (“in my view”), one unrelated to his office. Another Metro board member, speaking as “an openly gay elected official,” said he was “deeply offended,” called for Smith’s head, and got it. Such is tolerance in the year of Our Lord 2006. Admittedly, Smith made a poor choice of words. He should have said, “Sodomy is a perversion.” My old friend Ann Coulter has made the remarkable discovery that when you say obvious things that everyone knows to be true, people listen gratefully. She realizes that polite argument with liberals, couched in timid euphemism, gets you exactly nowhere. Their “tolerance” extends only to people who accept their dubious and even absurd premises. Yes, I’d rather not hurt people’s feelings. But there are so many people nowadays who are positively eager to be “deeply offended” that you’re a sucker if you try to avoid offending them. We’re dealing with aggressors who pose as victims. The current vocabulary of hypocrisy includes such words as gay, lifestyle, and the ludicrous homophobia, which systematically deny the obvious. We’re talking about an ugly and unsanitary perversion as well as an immoral way of living, the sadness of which should excite our pity as well as our censure. Why should we pretend otherwise? Only because of new taboos — social pressures against candor — that are as perverse as sodomy itself. We are to make believe that “marriage” can mean something it has never meant before, that the rectum is as suitable a receptacle for the male seed as the womb, that a filthy and fruitless union is equal in dignity to one that produces human life? And all this with a straight face? Oh, Lord. Victorian hypocrisy had nothing on the liberal kind, which insists that all the generations before us were wrong. Overnight we must repudiate what everyone always knew and still knows. We have seen the same obligatory amnesia with fornication and abortion; evils have suddenly become “rights.” And this is what our children grow up being taught in state schools and the mass media. Democratic values, you know. Equality. Tolerance. Constitutional rights. Raising public awareness. But the lies, being lies, don’t work too well. For some reason, kids still love real love — the fruitful mutual love of men and women. They refuse to accept gay as something positive; they use it as a term of abuse and ridicule. They recognize it as a joke, no matter what their elders try to tell them. Reality is insistent. Humor remains, as ever, the final revenge of the normal on the official. The enormous official effort to normalize the abnormal is doomed. Note the root word norm: G.K. Chesterton long ago observed “the modern and morbid habit of always sacrificing the normal to the abnormal.” But normality seems to be the one thing liberalism’s inclusiveness excludes and its tolerance can’t tolerate. Joseph Sobran
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#1. To: Zoroaster (#0)
As our society becomes insane over time we are accepting things that are not 'normal'. Sobran is right about that. but Sobran himself supports this war. and I think that is insane and not normal either. killing & death & destruction are not good, but Sobran thinks they are. he's one to talk about 'normal'. here's a nice bible verse. Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Do you have proof, preferably Sobran's own words, that he supports the Bush invasion of Iraq?
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
I used to like Sobran. he is not a supporter of Israel you know. I may be wrong, but I am under the impression that he has himself written a column saying that he is a strong supporter of the war in Iraq. that's my recollection. After I read that I stopped taking Sobran seriously. he's an extreme pro-war fellow.
Clicking the URL of this thread will tase you to Sobran's web site. Almost everything he's written over the past few years is there. When I have time, I'll take a look and post what he has to say about Iraq. Supporting the Iraq war seems out of character for him.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
Sobran wrote this article on the eve of Bush's war: Wartime (An Internet Exclusive, March 29, 2003) At this writing war on Iraq appears to be hours away. It may be over by the time you read this. The Bush administration has been remarkably optimistic not only about victory, but about the results of victory. Given the incredible military might of the United States, victory seems a foregone conclusion. The results are another matter. The administration has predicted a whole series of benefits to issue from this war. Civilian casualties will be few; the Iraqi people will cheer and welcome the American conquerors; democracy will quickly take root in Iraq, and will spread contagiously throughout the region; the Palestinians will get their own state; the cost of occupation will be modest and at any rate will be paid for by conquered Iraqi oil resources; and the negative impact on the U.S. economy will be minimal. In addition, though this isn’t being said out loud, George W. Bush will be reelected in 2004. In short, everything is bound to go right. It had better. Until now the administration has been notably maladroit in handling events. It has alienated not only friendly governments, but most of civilized mankind, with its combination of military and diplomatic bullying. Newsweek has just run a cover story titled “Why America Scares the World.” As Fareed Zakaria writes, “While the United States has the backing of a dozen or so governments, it has the support of a majority of the people in only one country in the world, Israel. If that is not isolation, the word has no meaning.” It’s easier to buy off a few rulers than to bribe the conscience of humanity. Not so long ago this was the most admired country on earth, in spite of the shrill invective of Communist tyrants and Middle Eastern fanatics. Today ordinary people around the globe regard the United States with fear and loathing. They receive Bush’s moralistic arguments for war with moral contempt. The war has gone so badly before it began that it’s hard to see how it can produce Bush’s rosy scenario after it ends. He seems to think that a quick victory will quiet all qualms. But nobody opposes the war because the United States may lose it. Everyone knows the United States is invincible. That’s the trouble. What it does to Iraq it could do to almost any other country, and this may be only one of many wars to come. A poignant detail: desperate pregnant women in Baghdad have been asking doctors for Caesarean deliveries, fearing that they may lose their babies if they go into labor when the American bombing starts. Other pregnant women will be killed, and their babies with them. Perhaps Catholic hawks, instead of trying to change the Pope’s mind, should think of war as, among other things, a form of abortion. The old Pole has seen war first-hand, unlike most of the people who are trying to persuade him that blasting Iraq meets the criteria of just warfare. Bishop John Michael Botean, of the Romanian Catholic Diocese of Canton, Ohio, has just laid it on the line. In a carefully reasoned pastoral letter sent to all Romanian Catholic churches in the United States, he warns that “any direct participation and support of this war against the people of Iraq is an objectively grave evil, a matter of mortal sin.” This war, he adds, “does not meet even the minimal standards of Catholic just war theory.” It is “intrinsically and gravely evil and therefore absolutely forbidden.” There is a true Catholic shepherd speaking. Modern warfare is like an earthquake. It kills indiscriminately. Nobody denies this; at most, the advocates of war assure us that civilian casualties will be “minimal,” without estimating how many that might mean. Those who start such a war against another country can never be in conformity with the principles of just war; but those who defend their country against attack may well be fighting justly, no matter how doomed their efforts may be. Of course the aggressor will usually win, because he only starts the war when he calculates that the victim is too weak to defeat him. This is probably why Bush is so much more eager to attack Iraq than, say, North Korea. Even his sycophants don’t uphold him as an exemplar of Christian knighthood. Opponents of this war may hope for one small consolation. Unlike the first Gulf War, this one will probably be well covered by the press, at least the international press. In the previous war, Dick Cheney, then secretary of defense, kept American reporters under tight control; not that they weren’t disposed to cooperate anyway. But this time the foreign press will very likely resist American censorship and show the civilian carnage incident to the U.S. “liberation” of Iraq. For all their faults, the news media today make it very difficult to sanitize war. A single photograph can refute mountains of propaganda. If a war is just, why would anyone want to conceal its effects anyway? If this is a war for freedom, why not allow a free press to cover it? If the United States is a democracy, as Bush proudly insists, shouldn’t the people see just what their government is doing in their name? This is a war of the powerful, by the powerful, for the powerful. It’s being waged for power (whether or not that power takes the specific form of controlling the world’s oil supplies) by men like Cheney, who believe in power and little else. Have these men ever done anything to promote democracy in their spare time? I daresay it has never been a notable personal passion of theirs. Powerful men, as Shakespeare observed, will always have their flatterers. As soon as Bush declared “war on terror,” he suddenly became a Great Wartime President, and the neoconservative press celebrated him for qualities nobody had ever suspected in him before. In a flash he became an amalgamation of Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt (meant as a compliment, of course). Yet during the 2000 campaign his mediocrity was treated as a given. He owed his political career to the simple fact that he was a president’s son; and he was considered more “electable” than other candidates. Even the neoconservatives who now fawn on him preferred the rabidly pro-Israel John McCain. Bush’s verbal clumsiness is easy to ridicule. After watching a recent interview with the impressive Jacques Chirac, I reflected that France has one thing the U.S. doesn’t have: a president who speaks fluent English. But it’s more serious than it may seem. A man who lacks competence in his own language is apt to lack any real sense of history and tradition. Bush is not only devoid of these things, but unaware that they are important. He is the sort of “practical” politician who wants to make history without knowing any. His mind is a tissue of cliché. His vaunted “moral clarity” is nothing more than shallow propaganda, thin and repetitious. (Propaganda is always marked by specious “moral clarity.”) At first Bush seemed to offer relief from the moral shabbiness of the Clinton years. But now he is reminding us that there is more than one way of being a disastrous president. Joseph Sobran
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
thanks for showing me this. You know I might be wrong in my assertion. but I still don't think so. I believe that he wrote an editorial or two in the last 8 months or so that was against pulling troops out of Iraq and/or he may have written in support of invading Iran. I know I used to like Sobran, and when I read that I concluded that he was propaganda. because he was supporting the war agenda.
I will not waste time arguing with you. Your assertions that Sobran supports Bush's war against Iasrael's enemies are not only outrageous but ignorant. Go to Sobran's web site, which has a search engine. Type in "iraq" and you'll get a whole slew of his articles on the subject. If you find one where he supports Bush's war agenda post it on this thread. You are smearing Sobran, it seems to me, because you dislike his Catholicism. This is the second time you've attacked my posts. The first was the Kaminski article on religion, which I let pass because having been raised by fundies, who are not all bad people, I knew where you were coming from. But in smearing Sobran with your unsubstantiated BS you have gone too far. I thought you were a better person than that. It stinks of Zionist disinformation tactics.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
June is recognized as Gay Pride month for American and American Eagle's gay, lesbian, bi-sexual and transgendered (GLBT) employees. The multi-colored Rainbow Flag, a symbol of GLBT pride, will be displayed in the atrium at HDQ1, HDQ2 and FSU. The flag, designed by [REDACTED], debuted at the 1978 San Francisco Gay and Lesbian Freedom Day parade. It is comprised of six colors, representing life, healing, sun, nature, harmony and spirit. It represents the diversity and the unity of GLBT persons everywhere. Historical Perspective In June of 1969, a group of gays and lesbians resisted harassment and mistreatment, setting in motion a chain of events that would become known as the Stonewall Uprising. This marked the birth of the modern gay and lesbian equal rights movement. Historians writing about New York City in the 1960s describe how law enforcement officers frequently raided bars known to serve gay and lesbian patrons. Employees of these establishments and others were often arrested without legitimate charges. One night, something different happened. When police raided the Stonewall Inn, the patrons decided to fight back. For several nights, crowds grew outside the Stonewall Inn. The event became known as the Stonewall Uprising. Since that day, the GLBT community commemorates Stonewall as a way to reaffirm a commitment to achieving equal rights. Today What began as a gay pride movement is beginning to evolve into a broadly humanist movement protective of all people. This encompasses a central idea: All intolerance is unacceptable. Beyond tolerance lies full acceptance of each other as human beings - a celebration of the diversity of that comprises the human experience. Ending intolerance starts with eradicating hate crimes. "Hate crimes rend the fabric of our society and fragment communities because they target a whole group and not just the individual victim. Hate crimes are committed to cause fear to a whole community. A violent hate crime is intended to "send a message" that an individual and "their kind" will not be tolerated, many times leaving the victim and others in their group feeling isolated, vulnerable and unprotected." The AMR Diversity Advisory Council is hosting "Erase Hate" at the [REDACTED] on [REDACTED]. The mother of [REDACTED], a young gay man who was killed in a violent hate crime in Wyoming in 1998, will be the keynote speaker. The DAC invites you to attend. Please register at erasehate@gmail.com GLEAM -- A Winning Tradition GLBT employees take pride in working for a company that fosters respect for all employees. One of the ways AMR Corporation has reached that level of awareness and sensitivity for its diverse workforce is through its Employee Resource Groups. GLEAM (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered Employees of AMR), one of the original ERGS, continues to assist AMR in its commitment to becoming more inclusive of all types of employees. "In existence for 13 years, GLEAM continues to help GLBT employees with workplace issues and find innovative ways to pull together," said [REDACTED]. As GLEAM Co-Chairs and Diversity Advisory Council Representatives the offer this comments: "We are proud to serve all AMR stakeholders through GLEAM while partnering with other ERGs to promote a safe work environment and a solid financial foundation for all employees." GLEAM works closely with the Rainbow Sales Team. Established in 1993, American is the only major airline to have a sales team dedicated to the GLBT community. The relationship with this community has generated significant revenue from additional group travel, corporate accounts and travel agencies. Ain't corporate family values wonderful?????
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life." I didn't mean to upset you. I must admit most of Sobran's articles are pretty good. He was against the Iraq War when it started. He has been against waging war with iran. I don't dislike him for being catholic. I still think I read him saying that he wanted to keep the troops in Iraq. But I must admit after looking at a few of his articles in response to you - that he's probably worth a lot more than I thought he was.
Thanks for this bullshit information. The appalling, inordinate influence that the gleams and the zionists exert over this country is simply amazing.
GLEAM (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered Employees of AMR), one of the original ERGS, continues to assist AMR in its commitment to becoming more inclusive of all types of employees. "In existence for 13 years, GLEAM continues to help GLBT employees with workplace issues and find innovative ways to pull together," said [REDACTED]. As GLEAM Co-Chairs and Diversity Advisory Council Representatives the offer this comments: "We are proud to serve all AMR stakeholders through GLEAM while partnering with other ERGs to promote a safe work environment and a solid financial foundation for all employees." GLEAM works closely with the Rainbow Sales Team. Established in 1993, American is the only major airline to have a sales team dedicated to the GLBT community. The relationship with this community has generated significant revenue from additional group travel, corporate accounts and travel agencies. It's the real thing word for word from corporate HDQ. Don't it just make ya' wanna' PUKE?? They aren't "protecting" anyone. They are PROMOTING this lifestyle.
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life." Thanks Red. You've restored my faith in your good character. Sobran, Charley Reese, Paul Craig Roberts and Israel Shamir, the Jew who converted to Christianity, are my favorites.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
Whatever it takes to destroy America, as we knew it. I agree.
'nuf sed
'nuf sed seriously
We need our own awards. The public will buy anything if it's won several awards.
Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!
You're an artist, right? Would you be interested in designing an award?
Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!
There's always my Pantload of the Day Award to consider...
Who you s'pose givin out them awards, L?
Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!
Yes we do need awards....I offer you a pair of Buster Ballz....
Those suckers look like premium, get-off quick, ben-wah models.
I'm not even going to ask...
Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!
Yes, I am an artist, and would be happy to design an award. PM me.
#2. To: Red Jones (#1)
As our society becomes insane over time we are accepting things that are not 'normal'. Sobran is right about that. but Sobran himself supports this war. and I think that is insane and not normal either. killing & death & destruction are not good, but Sobran thinks they are. he's one to talk about 'normal'.
#3. To: Zoroaster (#2)
#4. To: Red Jones (#3)
used to like Sobran. he is not a supporter of Israel you know. I may be wrong, but I am under the impression that he has himself written a column saying that he is a strong supporter of the war in Iraq. that's my recollection. After I read that I stopped taking Sobran seriously. he's an extreme pro-war fellow.
#5. To: Red Jones (#3)
#6. To: Zoroaster (#5)
#7. To: Red Jones (#6)
#8. To: Zoroaster, ALL, jethro tull, lodwick (#0)
Title: June is Gay Pride Month [For AA] Source: company insider URL Source: http://aacompanynewspaper Published: Jun 19, 2006 Author: american airlines newspaper staff Post Date: 2006-06-19 02:19:54 by IndieTX Keywords: GAY, PRIDE, RAINBOW Views: 29
-OBL
"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
#9. To: Zoroaster (#7)
#10. To: IndieTX (#8)
GLEAM my ass.
#11. To: lodwick (#10)
GLEAM -- A Winning Tradition GLBT employees take pride in working for a company that fosters respect for all employees. One of the ways AMR Corporation has reached that level of awareness and sensitivity for its diverse workforce is through its Employee Resource Groups.
-OBL
"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
#12. To: Red Jones (#9)
didn't mean to upset you. I must admit most of Sobran's articles are pretty good. He was against the Iraq War when it started. He has been against waging war with iran. I don't dislike him for being catholic. I still think I read him saying that he wanted to keep the troops in Iraq. But I must admit after looking at a few of his articles in response to you - that he's probably worth a lot more than I thought he was.
#13. To: IndieTX (#11)
They aren't "protecting" anyone. They are PROMOTING this lifestyle.
#14. To: Zoroaster (#0)
My old friend Ann Coulter
#15. To: angle (#14)
My old friend Ann Coulter
#16. To: IndieTX, lodwick, Jethro Tull (#8)
GLEAM works closely with the Rainbow Sales Team. Established in 1993, American is the only major airline to have a sales team dedicated to the GLBT community. The relationship with this community has generated significant revenue from additional group travel, corporate accounts and travel agencies.
#17. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#16)
#18. To: Dakmar (#16)
We need our own awards. The public will buy anything if it's won several awards.
#19. To: lodwick (#18)
David Horovitz was appointed editor-in-chief of The Jerusalem Post in October 2004, rejoining the paper having worked for The Post from 1983-1990. Since leaving The Post, he had worked at the award-winning newsmagazine The Jerusalem Report, where he was the editor from 1998 and publisher from 2001.
#20. To: Dakmar (#17)
#21. To: Dakmar (#16)
We need our own awards.
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#21)
I offer you a pair of Buster Ballz.
#23. To: lodwick (#22)
Those suckers look like premium, get-off quick, ben-wah models.
#24. To: Dakmar (#17)
 | What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#25. To: angle, robin, Red Jones (#14)
Sobran's public declaration of his friendship with Coulter raises serious questions about his credibility. I may have been too hard on Red Jones. Perhaps it was the Coulter friendship thing that raised his suspicions about Sobran. I checked out Sobran's web site to get a feel for his relationship with Coulter. In the last few years they've promoted one another's writings through book symposiums, on-line journals and such, so their relationship appears to be of a business nature. In Sobran's defense, he's been blackballed from the mainstream media because of his opposition to Jewish supremacy. Deprived of MSM money, he must still find ways to feed his family. Teaming up with Coulter was one way to bolster his income. Nevertheless, his public support of Reptile Lady Coulter gives aid and comfort to Bush's cheerleaders, mainly the Fox News creeps. In a round-about way Red was right, supporting Coulter is not much different than supporting Bush and murder in Iraq. .
My old friend Ann Coulter 'nuf sed
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
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