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Title: 4um's "Original" Skin Modified
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freedom4um.com
URL Source: http://freedom4um.com
Published: Jul 24, 2006
Author: Neil McIver
Post Date: 2006-07-24 18:08:26 by Neil McIver
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The "Original" skin for 4um, in place since 4um first went live, has been modified. The purpose of the modification was to bring the old look in line with the revised art/style instituted with the very sophisticated "brushed" look, and I think we've succeeded. However, we also hope that the changes preserve the advantage of the original skin in being useful for those who might have a screen resolution smaller than 1024x768, or who otherwise prefer not to have the browser window fill their entire computer screen. With the original skin, you can shrink the width of the browser window without having the dreaded left/right scroll bar appear at the bottom. Feedback is welcome. Thank you.
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#1. To: Neil McIver (#0)
Looks really nice, Neil, and seems to be working fine for me.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
I just posted this, but whats the update on the edit/delete feature? Mark
Skinned back here and liking it.
Lokeeen Gooood! (did you notice the Spanish accent ... just getting prepared ... ;-})
Oh, My! The mail is ORANGE! Kinda differnt.
actually, it's peach, the same color as the title box on the latest comments page. it just looks darker when it's the whole page. hey, at least you'll know for sure that you're sending private mail. ;) i much prefer our artistic and stylish brushed format which is center justified, rather than left justified, to this one, so back to it for me.
that's next on Neil's list of "honey do's." :P
I'm sooooooo glad I didn't get pissed off right off the bat! I couldn't believe it when after I logged in, I was still seeing the new (vs the original original). Did a real double take, so just picked a different skin name and eventually got back what I wanted. Reality tells us y'all ain't gonna whack us without at least a discussion, or even just a plain old ordinary decree. Thanks for all you do, Neil...and ladies.
I have been reading since I was the age of 4. From the first day, the page was white, the text was black. The only thing artsy fartsy stuff does to a text page is make it harder to read. Does anyone else here wear glasses? Other than that, I like orange, and love peaches.
Hey, peach! Sounds better than ornange ... ;-}
WOW!!! I've got my 4umskin back and in a variety of colors to boot... /chuckle
'Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.'
"4umskin" lol
Yes, I hate it when that happens too. I much prefer 5 or 10 minutes warning. ;^) On a more serious note, if you are saying that you chose the skin called "New Original" to get back to the true original with the yellow and blue banner, please know that the plan is to discontinue it. I created the "New Original" skin as a workplace to develop the new skin, and when christine gave me the word, I switched the "Original" with the "New Original" so that everyone using the "Original" would suddenly see the new work. So what's now called "New Original" is the soon to be discontinued skin. The hope is that the new art will be satisfactory to everyone preferring a lower resolution screen and/or browser window not maxed out, while bringing it in line with the trademark art that christine has gone through a lot of trouble to create for this site. So any detailed comments on particulars on the new skin are appreciated. I'm using it myself to look for any pesky issues.
Are Newbies allowed to whine and snivel about 4um format????
LOL............consider yourself 5 - 10 minutes warned. :( Thanks for the heads up warning.
Abso-freegin-lootly.
For whomever is the puter genius at 4um. Perhaps the print at bottom of this page could be a tad larger???? ie HOME thru REGISTER Everything else is fine. That print is a mite small for these tired old eyes and bottle bottom glasses. If this will put me on the constant whiner list, please put it in very small print as I do not want people to know I whine a lot.
you mean only the navigation links at the bottom? can you see them in white at the top alright?
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin
Yes.. And top is fine, I can see them without having to lean into screen. Don't do it if is lot of trouble. I have zero knowledge of puter workings.
Neil can adjust that easily. I'm happy to oblige. Which browser do you use? I use Maxthon (IE) and I have my fonts on Large. You might try that too and see if it makes a difference.
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin
Firefox 105
Well the left/right scroll problem is eliminated, that's kewl. And I appreciate the black-on-white text contrast :) But... Under IE most of the text fonts don't resize, except for the lines: "Member Subscription Setup" which suggest to me that all the fonts can be resizable if they were to be specified in the same technique as the above two lines. As a matter of personal preference, I find the default font size too large, (seems 50-75% larger than the real original font) and everything appears bold. Let me know if you'd like to see an image of how it appears to me. Can you knock the default font size down a peg (or maybe two until they aren't bold) and make them all resizeable? (yeah, I know, $!@#*&&$!@# users - they're never happy)
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
ok, it's interesting. i just went on firefox and those navs at the bottom are much smaller on firefox than they are on IE. funny, how font sizes change from browser to browser !!!
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin
I increased font but then everything else is too big. If it is just me, don't bother.
Neil can adjust that easily. Bet you NEVER would have gotten treated this good at LP huh Cyni.. This is a VERY good group of people!!!!
"This country has come to feel the same when congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer." Will Rogers..... "None can love freedom heartily but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." John Milton.....
At FR and LP I always had to duck and cover, watch my back. Had friends at both places, however they were mostly easily intimidated and when push came to shove, they were busy elsewhere. Perhaps owners here will send me a bill????
"Member Subscription Setup" and "Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster2@freedom4um.com" which suggest to me that all the fonts can be resizable if they were to be specified in the same technique as the above two lines. Those lines on the new skin are not sized with css styles, but by straight HTML, so those need to be brought up to speed. (Thanks for the catch). My linux firefox does change css font sizes with the "increase text size" command. Maybe MSIE isn't so accommodating.
Are you sure it's not just the font size, but the font itself? Different fonts can appear different sizes, of course.
I'm happy to change that but I'm puzzled as I'm seeing them the same size and see no reason why they should be different from one another. Can you verify for me the exact webpage where you see them different sizes? And you are viewing the new skin where the background is pure white and the red 4um banner spans the entire top of your browser? It's no problem. I appreciate the feedback.
Home | Headlines | Latest Articles | Latest Comments | Post | Sign-in | Mail | Setup | Help | Register This is at bottom page when I am replying... However the actual print is prolly half or less of what I copy and paste here. I do not understand how it can be tiny when I copy and be this size when I paste???? The same line at the top of each page is in white and prolly four times the size of the line at bottom in black.
Okay, you're not using the new skin. You're using the "Brushed" skin as only that one has the top nav links in white.. I took a peak and you're on the "Brushed 90%" which is the default. You can change "skins" on the setup page (linked on the nav bar). It might interest you to try the other skins. Yes, the font at the bottom is much smaller than it is at the top. It's been that way since it was created. If it should be changed it's never too late. Yes, when you cut n paste it into the comment box, the font changes. That's normal. The font is usually/never not copied when you cut n paste to a web page.
I've got a feeling the owners here are just happy that you're here. I know I've enjoyed your commentary.
"This country has come to feel the same when congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer." Will Rogers..... "None can love freedom heartily but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." John Milton.....
Thank you.. Took me a long time to goad Robinson into banning me for good. All it took was truth and facts. We both knew that FR was owned and operated by "others" and that innocent people were being misled. I so badly wanted him to do the banning, not the "lackeys" and he obliged. There is a sad part to both FR and LP and that is there are good people on both sites that are so intimidated they dare not speak their minds. Try as I might I could not get them to speak up.
Which one will give me larger print at bottom, try not to get me losted enroute...
Ok. I am on the "New Original" and can read with no problem.
You haven't indicated what the goal is with fonts and sizes, so I'm not sure whether you're working on this or are done. In general I see no reason text fonts/sizes under the "original" skin should be any different than under the Brushed skins. The Brushed fonts/sizes are much more readable. Again I offer to post images of the two formats if that will help you to visualize the problem.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
When we worked on the fonts on the phone, we made them to
be the same as the Brushed. That was my goal. I don't understand where/why
they're looking different to you as on my computers they look very close or the
same. Hopefully, you and Neil can figure it out. ;)
I will post images of the differences I see, and we'll go from there. :)
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Yes, please do. Thanks. Also, as you know there are 2 brushed skins and each uses a different measure for fonts. One (the 90%) uses "em" and the other (high res) uses "px" for pixel. That can confuse matters some as far as comparing the new skin to the old.
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#3. To: Neil McIver (#0)
Thanks for the work on both the fore and aft skins.
War - it's for the children
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#13. To: rowdee, *4um Admin News* (#8)
I'm sooooooo glad I didn't get pissed off right off the bat!
#14. To: Neil McIver (#13)
So any detailed comments on particulars on the new skin are appreciated.
#15. To: Neil McIver (#13)
#16. To: Cynicom (#14)
Are Newbies allowed to whine and snivel about 4um format????
#17. To: Neil McIver (#16)
Abso-freegin-lootly.
#18. To: Cynicom, Neil McIver (#17)
Perhaps the print at bottom of this page could be a tad larger????
#19. To: christine (#18)
you mean only the navigation links at the bottom? can you see them in white at the top alright?
#20. To: Cynicom (#19)
#21. To: christine (#20)
Neil can adjust that easily.
#22. To: Neil McIver (#0)
and
"Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster2@freedom4um.com"
#23. To: Cynicom, Neil McIver (#21)
#24. To: christine (#23)
ok, it's interesting.
#25. To: Cynicom (#21)
From: christine
#26. To: innieway (#25)
Bet you NEVER would have gotten treated this good at LP huh Cyni..
#27. To: Starwind (#22)
IE most of the text fonts don't resize, except for the lines:
#28. To: christine (#23)
ok, it's interesting. i just went on firefox and those navs at the bottom are much smaller on firefox than they are on IE. funny, how font sizes change from browser to browser !!!
#29. To: Cynicom, christine (#19)
you mean only the navigation links at the bottom? can you see them in white at the top alright?
Yes.. And top is fine, I can see them without having to lean into screen.
#30. To: Neil McIver (#29)
Can you verify for me the exact webpage where you see them different sizes?
#31. To: Cynicom, christine (#30)
#32. To: Cynicom (#26)
Perhaps owners here will send me a bill????
#33. To: innieway (#32)
I've got a feeling the owners here are just happy that you're here.
#34. To: Neil McIver (#31)
It might interest you to try the other skins.
#35. To: Neil McIver (#31)
Okay, you're not using the new skin.
#36. To: Neil McIver, Christine (#27)
My linux firefox does change css font sizes with the "increase text size" command. Maybe MSIE isn't so accommodating.
#37. To: Starwind, Neil McIver (#36)
In general I see no reason text fonts/sizes under the "original"
skin should be any different than under the Brushed skins.
#38. To: christine, Neil McIver (#37)
I don't understand where/why they're looking different to you as on my computers they look very close or the same.
#39. To: Starwind, christine (#38)
I will post images of the differences I see, and we'll go from there. :)
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