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Title: DEBUNKING CONSPIRACY THEORISTS
Source: serendipity
URL Source: http://www.serendipity.li/wot/holmgren01.htm
Published: Feb 15, 2003
Author: Gerard Holmgren
Post Date: 2006-07-30 20:44:14 by wakeup
Keywords: None
Views: 623
Comments: 44

Astute observers of history are aware that for every notable event there will usually be at least one, often several, wild conspiracy theories which spring up around it. "The CIA killed Hendrix", "The Pope had John Lennon murdered ", "Hitler was half Werewolf", "Space aliens replaced Nixon with a clone", etc, etc. The bigger the event, the more ridiculous and more numerous are the fanciful rantings which circulate in relation to it.

So it's hardly surprising that the events of Sept 11 2001 have spawned their fair share of these ludicrous fairy tales. And as always, there is sadly a small but gullible percentage of the population eager to lap up these tall tales, regardless of facts or rational analysis.

One of the wilder stories circulating about Sept 11, and one that has attracted something of a cult following amongst conspiracy buffs is that it was carried out by 19 fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other than that they "hate our freedoms."

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#12. To: wakeup, tom007, lodwick, BTP Holdings, SKYDRIFTER, christine, Axenolith (#0)

You see, the kerosine not only consumed itself in a sudden catastrophic fireball, vapourizing a 65 ton plane into nothing, but then came back for a second go, burning at 2000°C for another hour at the impact point, melting the skyscraper's steel like butter. And while it was doing all this it also poured down the elevator shafts, starting fires all through the building.

LOL. Priceless.

But actually this article leaves me with more questions than anything. Is the author suggesting the planes were remote controlled? What does he offer as happening to the Pentagon Plane? Surely there is a record of it, and its passengers, leaving the airport. Did it drop off the radar, and when? The passengers would had to have all been executed at a secret landing location. Didn't air traffic control see where the plane went?

Nintendo of the Gods  posted on  2006-07-31   3:12:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"...actually this article leaves me with more questions than anything."

I asked the author to give it to me plainly, as I was having difficulty keeping up with all the reading and links he provided. This is what I received this morning from Gerard Holmgren:

I can make it simple(r), but I hope that you'll appreciate that I can't do that at the same time as making it convincing. But that's fine. At least you'll then know what you're looking for.

Take Nazism and WW2.

The Nazis didn't lose the war, they won it. After the burned out host of Germany was no use any more, they abandoned it and set up shop in the US.

The cover of Germany (equated with the Nazis) having suffered a devastating defeat was brilliant. It allowed people to think that the evil doers had been defeated and punished, and at the same time actually put the people who really behind it all into the being the position of the good guys who had defeated the bad guys (since the bad guys basically ran both sides.)

The corpse of the Hitler regime was kicked all the way down the street, Hitler was made out to be a peculiar aberrant maniac who had driven the whole thing himself along with a bunch of equally loony mates, who were thankfully now all dead or imprisoned and things could get back to normal.

A few of the more obvious perps who were no use any more were hung out in a show trial, while everyone who had organized the whole thing behind the scenes became the liberation rulers of the new world. The perps who were still useful were given new jobs, mostly working for the CIA and NASA and the weapons program. I guess the Soviets probably got a share of them too, but I don't know so much about that.

The psych of the entire period of history from 1945 to 1990 was basically modeled on our glorious victory over Nazism and our recovery from the horrific crimes of the Nazis , how close they came to world domination and their eventual miraculous defeat, snatched by the good guys when all seemed lost.

It was used as the motivation to set up Israel, and ensure an ever present trigger for the next conflagration - just as the simmering leftovers from WW1 were used to set up WW2.

The horrors of Nazism - completely engineered by the same people who supposedly defeated it - were used as the founding trauma event for the new world.

Everything was measured against the background of gratitude that at least we stopped that madness and avenged it.

We were given an event which was almost surreal in its horror level. Anything which defeated it and avenged it had to be good.

In order to cover up what was really behind it, we had a limited hangout of now expendable villains.

Now see S11 as the same kind of event - almost surreal, movie like. (Because in fact it was part real and part movie).

So now we need pretend justice for it. Cartoon villains like Silverstein and Bush who were really just the puppets to do the dirty work are on the front line to take the fall. When the acceptance of an inside job becomes mainstream, then the outrage levels will be so out of control that no one will care about wanting to know the deeper story. They'll just want justice and revenge for the bad guys.

As with WW2 and Nazism, the real designers keep their hands clean, paint themselves as the justice givers, and use the subsequent shock and outrage as the tool for moving on to the next scam, and building the next nightmare.

The main official story was never designed to last all that long. There's too many holes in it. Jut long enough to commit unspeakable atrocities in the phony "retaliation" which itself will then raise the horror and outrage level when the "truth" comes out.

The "truth" can be anything which says "we were lied to." Just like "justice" was anything which saw a Nazi get busted.

Mind you, one of the worst war criminals of all , Werner Von Braun, was spared "justice" and given an exalted position as head of NASA along with a lot of his fellow scum. People sort of "forgot" to notice that. Like the Simon Weisenthal foundation which made a big song and dance of hunting down and prosecuting every last petty officer who shot 3 people at a camp - probably because he would have been shot himself if he didn't - but had a strange case of amnesia/forgiveness when it came to some of the worst Nazi scum, who just happened to be extremely useful to the US weapons and Space program - which was really just a continuation of the Nazi program, relocated to the USA.

If the shock and outrage of the event is big enough, this kind of scam is routine. As long as there is a cartoon villain to put up front and stone to death, then people don't notice.

Bush and Silverstein are ideal candidates for the distraction stoning ritual.

Meanwhile, what will get passed over in all of this is that the very same media which is almost to the point of starting to holler "we want the truth about Sept 11" is the same gang which actually organized the whole damn psy-op. The cartoon of that non existent plane flying into the tower.

As long as there are planes of any kind in the story, the media gets off free. Remote controlled planes are just as easy to incorporate into a limited hangout.

Military planes with pods and all that crap. As long as people think that the media simply showed what was there, and failed to interpret it correctly.

There weren't any planes. The media showed us cartoons and passed it off as a real event. The same media will now become the heroes in presenting the shocking "truth" of the event. Demolition. And any kind of plane, whether a passenger jet hijacked by Arab maniacs or a remote controlled jet with a pod, organized by the evil villain Bush will do for "truth".

This is also why the issue of plagiarism is critical. If things actually worked as they are supposed to, then even TENC's series of articles in late 2001/early 2002 should have led to treason proceedings within months.

Why didn't they ? Because *everyone* covered up and pretended not to know.

As I mentioned in the scholars article, the subsequent complicity of the media, the so called political opposition and the scientific community is now as big an issue as the attacks themselves.

How can such information be fully available in the public domain for 4 years and nobody notice ? So along comes a group of "respected scholars" to tell us that they have just discovered it all - just now.

"They're own physics research... They have examined the Bin Laden confession video and found...they charge that the air force was stood down..."

Ah - all new. Nobody knew. How could anybody have known ? Only scholars and experts can work out these complex matters, and even those maginifient intellects needed years to unearth the shocking truth.

And so everyone who helped cover it up for the last four years does the outrage act and the "we didn't know" chant - just like in relation to the Nazi atrocities.

"We didn't know ! Nobody told us ! How could we have known ? Why didn't somebody say thing ? Why didn't somebody do something ? How could this have happened ? We didn't know ! We didn't know ! "

You know the routine.

And so the limited hangout gets under way in exactly the configuration they want. The escape tunnel is created for everyone who looked the other way or even helped the whole thing. "We never knew ! " And just as with WW2 and Nazism, the main perps themselves become the heroes of defeating the evil.

Given what we know of Steven Jones' background, its even possible that he was directly involved in helping to design the demolition.

As for the new world they want to create in its wake, the prototype is being trialed on the fringes of society through the "truth movement" which is a mass mind control experiment.

The trauma of the lies is so shocking that the word "truth" has become a mind control trigger.

Trauma and torture is a key element in mind control. Once the subject is broken, then they will usually cling to their torturer as their protector.

This is in fact how the whole psychology of the war on terror has worked. People terrified of the Arab boogie man clung to Bush like a protective father. Once Bush becomes the boogie man, then people will cling sobbing to *anyone* who utters the magic words "we were lied to" - as a savior.

"Truth" is about to become a religion. And truth will be anything which says "we were lied to".

One of the most sickening examples of this recently is the attempt to paint Scott Ritter as a "truther". Ritter as a UN weapons inspector, helped to set up the Iraq war by demonizing Iraq and pushing the WMD crap for years. As in the normal routine, once the war started, the same media which orchestrated the hysteria which was used as justification also orchestrated the phny campaign against it. In the blinking of an eye, people like Ritter suddenly became heroes for saying that WMD was a lie - when for years he had been one of the main architects of building the whole lie.

So Ritter - even though he's never said anything about Sept 11 is suddenly a "truther" because he's said the magic words. "Bush lied to us". And all the trauma controlled truthlings cling sobbing to him as a truth hero.

The WMD scam was an interesting sideline to it. They *deliberately* exposed themselves as lying over WMD in order to create the very kind of trauma condition that I've been talking about as a precursor to a lunatic "truth" cult.

They could have come up with any number of more credible excuses for invading Iraq. Or if they were going to stick to WMD, it would have been child's play to fabricate evidence for them enough to fool the average CNN watcher. When they can pull off a scam like S11, it would be easy to at least give it a decent shake. They didn't even try.

They put it right in our faces that they were lying. And then orchestrated a truth campaign headed by the same people who built the lie. Our Aussie equivalent of Scott Ritter, is Richard Butler, another UN weapons inspector WMD scaremongerer, who along with Ritter, spent a decade building the WMD lie, and then somehow became the leader of the anti Iraq war demos here, thunderously declaring that the US and Aust Govts were lying through their teeth about WMD.

The trauma is so intense that it is creating double think as a briefly alluded to before in the crazy cult surrounding Griffin and S. Jones.

Truth can be any number of totally contradictory things at the same time. Just as long as you say "we were lied to", then whatever you say is truth.

Again - have you read "1984" ? If you haven't I need to explain a bit about double think and "newspeak" and the "ministry of truth", so you'll have a better idea of where this is leading to from now.

My Reply:

I find all of this very interesting and important. Thank you.

You are now talking on my level. I think I can keep up so, more, please.

On a specific issue, how do you explain the multiple video examples of the second plane hitting tower two?

One in particular, comes to mind. First you hear the plane, a fireman looks up, following the plane across the sky as it strikes the tower with the fireman looking straight at the scene. How could that be faked? Lots of angles, from various cameras are available in the In Plane Site DVD, as the "pod and missile" argument is made.

Address that if you would and please, share the next part of your fascinating explanation. I have read 1984 and I understand the terms.

Ron

wakeup  posted on  2006-07-31   20:01:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Ping Read 14 and share your thoughts please.

wakeup  posted on  2006-07-31   22:49:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Really interesting read, thanks for the ping. I kept thinking about Operation Paperclip and the interviews with Kay Griggs as I read it.

I don't know who is orchestrating all the evil, besides Satan, but if it is an organized group like the NWO/Illuminati then they are very, very good and have a rather long history (this is why I find it difficult to believe in such an invisible hand). I wonder if there isn't just a lot of opptys for evil and plenty of people willing to take advantage of those opptys. There may be loosely organized people, which is how I see the Jews, with differences of opinions among themselves. But, when oppty arises, they will hire/promote/help one of their own. Many immigrant groups do the same, these other groups just aren't running our foreign and domestic policies right now.

robin  posted on  2006-08-01   1:17:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The key word is Nazi ... Ashke-NAZI Jews are one of the shells in the shell game. The Jesuits and the Masonic Illumi-nazi are the others. Three shells, and there's a pea under each of them. They are the trinity of satan, they reside in the three false sovereignties known as the Vatican, the city, and the state of israel.

The three exist almost invisibly to the general public and for the purpose of keeping everyone confused as to ... who dunnit.

History details their migrations from Babylon (Babel) ... and all empires have been part and parcel of their dominance over the masses. Babylon is the "Mother of Harlots" ... The Jews aren't Israelites, The Jesuits aren't holy, and the Illuminati aren't philanthropists ... they're all blood-sucking, murdering cabalists.

The "Mystery" of "Iniquity" (spoken of in the Scriptures) is why we participate in their murder.

noone222  posted on  2006-08-01   7:07:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I studied four years at a Jesuit high school, and they certainly didn't let me in on any conspiracies. On the other hand, they did give me a very good education for free.

aristeides  posted on  2006-08-01   8:05:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#21. To: aristeides (#20)

I studied four years at a Jesuit high school

I was raised Catholic and almost attended Brebeuf Prepatory, a Jesuit High School. I'm certain that the education there is superior to most available elsewhere ... what I'm not certain of is how they select the individuals for "higher service" !

noone222  posted on  2006-08-01 08:12:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I studied four years at a Jesuit high school, and they certainly didn't let me in on any conspiracies.

Have you read any of Malachi Martin's stuff ... though I never trusted what he had to say because most of it was "feel good humanism" and anti-scriptural, as are most Catholic teachings and doctrines ... I was convinced to accept the fact that the Roman Church has and is participating in international intrigue.

[See Roberto Calvi hanging from Black Friars Bridge ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi ]

Malachi Martin was a Jesuit, and I believe a Jew as well. He stated that his Book ... "Windswept House" was a novel based upon facts and only the names had been changed to protect the guilty.

noone222  posted on  2006-08-01 08:19:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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