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Title: Did 9/11 war-game contractors rig up WTC elevators like rockets?
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URL Source: http://www.valis.cjb.cc/HawksCAFE/080106.html
Published: Aug 1, 2006
Author: David Hawkins
Post Date: 2006-08-01 23:29:24 by valis
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Keywords: Shock tubes, AMEC, Boeing
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Comments: 10
Open e-mail sent August 1, 2001 Distinguished McKnight University Professor (retired) of Philosophy at the University of Minnesota Co-chair of Scholars for 9/11 Truth http://valis.cjb.cc/HawksCAFE/ Dear Professor Jones and Professor Fetzer: Poster Comment: Also see: CIA-CAI digital ignition, detonate clouds, destroy evidence (04/09/06)
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#1. To: All, *ARG List* (#0)
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"Debunking 'Caveman' conspiracy theories since 2002" Very interesting, but highly unlikely. Once the charges were rigged there would be no reason to change the plan and risk exposure or discovery. The towers went down the only way they could have in a controlled demolition. This is just a BS distraction. Stay on point with this. The demo plan (and the entire 9-11 scenario) was carried out in grand style of a classic covert and compartmentalized operation by foreign intelligence agencies with the help of insiders numbering no more than 50 to 100 operatives. It was a precision military strike with well planned diversionary manuevers and select high level interference of standard operational protocols such as Cheney ordering an Air Force stand down of jet interceptors on that morning.
"Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back." Lord Keynes
Your thesis, although popular, lacks a few key points. ------ Who had custody of the weapons (planes)? Who had custody of the facilities need to modify the weapons? Who had custody to the Iridium satellite network used to coordinate the "drone-or decoy" wargames? Who was pumping and dumping stocks? Who had 'dead peasants' insurance out on the 9/11 murder victims without their knowledge? Who destroyed the evidence? Who had wtc building acess? Who would be the foremost expert on the civilian applications of shock tubes for military demolition? Who essentially owned the WTC complex? ---------------- Answering these questions leads us to the perpetrators for prosecution. Stay on point with this. "Debunking 'Caveman' conspiracy theories since 2002" Don't be a wise guy. You can't expect me to address all of these points. I'm not engaged in researching these things. I am aware of many of them, however, and have seen info relating to these questions. My comments were not intended to be all inclusive. And my opinions are well grounded in many facts which are tucked away in the back of my mind; my own personal computer, if you will. One question we can answer for sure is the last one. Larry Silverstein owns the WTC complex. Unless he turns out to be a front man for the real perps. And that is something not beyond the realm of possibility. One question for you, valis. Do you subscribe to American Free Press? If not, you are missing a great deal of information which relates directly to the questions you pose and which has been printed in the pages of that newspaper. AFP was the first to come out with a major handout, 50 Unanswered Qustions About 9-11. AFP was way ahead of the curve by a long shot. And guys like David Ray Griffin and most all of the internet gurus who claim to be 9-11 experts are latecomers to it all, likely even including yourself. The more, the merrier. But a caveat is necessary here since there are undoubtedly psyops agents who have worked their way into the 9-11 truth movement to try to divert attention from the places we must focus. This story about rockets in the elevators is one of those diversions. I'll have no part of it. Now, regardless of the work you've done to compile and bring together all of the information you have, it still does not make for bringing those responsible to justice. The truth will out. And sooner or later we will know who was behind it all, hopefully before we are all rounded up and taken to the gulag. Stay on point with this. The perps behind this control more wealth and have more power than any of us can imagine. For them, it is no longer a matter of wealth or power, but of control. They are slowing losing control, and their limited resources, much of which was spent on 9-11, would not allow them to initiate another attack here in the U.S., even though we have seen attacks in England and Spain. They would not do so here again (though the specter of such an attack is constantly hyped) unless Bush begins to waver and make peace initiatives. As we can see by recent events, Bush is clearly committed to expanding the war in the Middle East. Undoubtedly, you have the resources, talents and time to put up the websites you have and for that I applaud you. However, putting down another patriot because he sees a curve ball thrown in the game and knocks it out of the park is counter-productive.
"Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back." Lord Keynes
I appologize if you feel I was putting you down. That was not my intent. One of my points was that a lot of bad information gets recylcled through the truth movement and it will hurt when it comes down to the prosecution. FYI: Silverstein owned a small % of the WTC mortgages; bulk on Twin Towers came through broker GMAC, controlled by General Motors and the Teachers private equity group, in particular Frank McKenna a GM director and on the advisory boards of Carlyle Group and AMEC (the people who rigged up the diesel systems which brough down WTC#7) http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/can-am/washington/ambassador/mckenna-en.asp See: Did Teachers receive mortgage insurance payments from WTC#7 demolition? http://www.valis.cjb.cc/HawksCAFE/071706.html As to being a "latecomer", many of my articles published in 2002 on PrisonPlanet and Rense are still online for your parusal. cheers
"Debunking 'Caveman' conspiracy theories since 2002" BTW, as to Hawkins' rocket fuel theories, J. Fetzer has acknowledged Mr. Hawkins as an "extremely valuable asset" to our group (Scholars for 9/11 Truth), and S. Jones has concured.
"Debunking 'Caveman' conspiracy theories since 2002" Yep sure is. BTW, this is not the first time Valis has posted such BS. I highly suspect he/she is a disinfo agent.
God is always good! Bush Crime Family and related assets in CIA and Mossad. I still think it was foreign intelligence assets that performed the bulk of the direct control activities related to the 9-11 strikes and maybe 50-100 insiders, all compartmentalized, in the USG. They only have a certain amount of control. Considering the vastness of the black operations budget, it would be easy for them to slip in under the radar, once, but maybe not twice. There are still loyal Americans in the intelligence community, though Dubya has done his best to eliminate them. Many have retired and are speaking out, including military. No hard feelings. Keep up the good, but be aware of disinformation. We can all fall victim to that. I'm still not thoroughly convinced that there are not some disinfo moles in the so-called truth movement. Their aim would be to point us where they want us to look. Dubya is still a puppet, though a puppet with considerable power. That does not mean he shouldn't swing for treason, however. ;0)
"Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back." Lord Keynes
You are more than willing to believe what you want. I'm just showing you the direction S911T is going. When this all hits the 'mainstream' of the truth movement, the divide & conquor tactics will seem trite in hindsight.
"Debunking 'Caveman' conspiracy theories since 2002" You only wish this will all hit the mainstream truth movement, but it's not going to happen. The mainstream truth movement is far more intelligent than the sheeple are.
God is always good!
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#2. To: valis (#0)
I am asking if the Teachers (TIAA-CREF) two main sub-contractors for the 'Global Guardian' 9/11 war games, AMEC and Boeing, could have quickly re-rigged the World Trade Center towers with explosives or incendiaries and thereby changed the style of demolition (WTC# 1 and 2 collapsed top down - WTC# 7 collapsed bottom up) to achieve the maximum of 'shock and awe'. AMEC could have used selected freight or passsenger elevators, with sub-basement access, to position small rocket engines supplied by Boeing or Raytheon (1997 director being the disgraced ex-CIA boss and MIT professor of chemistry, John Deutch). Boeing's or Raytheon's rocket engines would have been initiated with shock-tube detonators wired in a harness carrying elevator-control cabling though the basement levels to the Mayor's Office of Emergency Managment on the 23rd floor of WTC#7.
#3. To: BTP Holdings, *ARG List* (#2)
This is just a BS distraction. Stay on point with this.
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#4. To: valis, All (#3)
Your thesis, although popular, lacks a few key points.
Answering these questions leads us to the perpetrators for prosecution.
#5. To: BTP Holdings (#4)
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#6. To: BTP Holdings (#5)
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#7. To: BTP Holdings (#2)
This is just a BS distraction. Stay on point with this.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#8. To: valis (#5)
Carlyle Group
#9. To: RickyJ (#7)
Yep sure is. BTW, this is not the first time Valis has posted such BS. I highly suspect he/she is a disinfo agent.
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#10. To: valis (#9)
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When this all hits the 'mainstream' of the truth movement, the divide & conquor tactics will seem trite in hindsight.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
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