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Title: Senators Skeptical of Bush Administration's Tribunal Plans
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... /08/02/national/w082113D55.DTL
Published: Aug 2, 2006
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2006-08-02 12:16:21 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 117
Comments: 13

(08-02) 09:01 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) --

The Bush administration's initial proposal to prosecute suspected terrorists drew continued skepticism Wednesday from lawmakers, with a key GOP senator contending that Congress must be given more authority to determine tribunal procedures.

Steven Bradbury, the top legal adviser at the Justice Department, told the Senate Judiciary Committee that the administration's legal proposal was still under review but did not say when it would be finished.

Judiciary Chairman Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he would oppose any legislation that would authorize the defense secretary to determine what crimes may be tried by military tribunals — reportedly a provision in an early draft of the administration's proposed bill.

Bradbury confirmed the administration was considering granting the defense secretary such authority but added: "I would not say that the secretary of defense would be creating new crimes from whole cloth, but rather ... recognizing offenses that exist under the laws of war and providing for their prosecution in the military process."

The Supreme Court ruled in June that the Pentagon's military tribunal system, established after the Sept. 2001 terrorist attacks, was not authorized by Congress and violates international treaty obligations on detainee treatment.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England were appearing later before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Chairman John Warner said he expected the administration to outline general recommendations that would help the panel come up with a final legislative proposal by September.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said Wednesday he expects a detainee bill to reach the floor in September.

At the Judiciary panel hearing, Specter said handing over control to the administration would invite another challenge by the Supreme Court. "Is there any reason we ought to follow that course that would be risky at best?" Specter said.

"That's certainly an avenue that's open to Congress and one you might judge as appropriate," Bradbury replied.

Military lawyers testifying before the panel agreed with Specter that Congress should make clear who should be tried by military commission. They also said coerced statements should not be admissible in court.

Gen. Richard B. Myers, retired chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the committee that the legislation under consideration would have a significant impact on the war on terrorism.

"I don't think there's a more serious subject being discussed today than this subject," Myers said.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a member of the Judiciary and Armed Services committees, said administration officials in discussions with him have abandoned their previous position that Congress should simply authorize the existing military tribunal system. The latest proposal under discussion would incorporate aspects of the military's court-martial process, which would afford detainees more rights, Graham said.

Bradbury testified last month that he supports legislation that would back the military's existing tribunal system.

Military lawyers testified Wednesday that a new system should incorporate the Uniform Code of Military Justice because it is well known and internationally respected. Brig. Gen. Kevin Sandkuhler, director of the Marine Corps' Judge Advocate Division, added that he would retain some aspects of the tribunal system.

Graham, R-S.C., Warner, R-Va., and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — who say they support incorporating elements of the court-martial system — have been meeting with administration officials repeatedly in recent days behind closed doors to try to broker a deal.

Democrats have backed the efforts by Graham, McCain and Warner to negotiate the legislation and have supported a system based on the court-martial law.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

It will prob'ly pass, because we have an antiChrist government. Americans were declared enemies of the state in 1933. Christians have ALWAYS been the enemy. They hated us before they hated you, Brian. They have been fiendishly working for 2,000 years for this.

Under the Noahide Laws2. star chamber (stär chAm¹ber). A court or group that engages in secret, harsh, ... It has been pointed out that the second Noahide Law which prohibits ... http://www.watch.pair.com/law.html

Military lawyers testifying before the panel agreed with Specter that Congress should make clear who should be tried by military commission. They also said coerced statements should not be admissible in court.

Well, yeah, but I don't imagine they have a purported 100,000 guillotines sitting ready and waiting FOR NOTHING, and Zionist "Christian" pastors who have been instructed by Homeland SSecurity to send the flock to the concentration camps as per their misunderstanding of Romans 13, "for their own good". No separation of church and state, it seems, when it comes to coercing the church in favor of the Synagogue of Satan.

Don't apologize, Mel.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-04   13:03:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S, BTP Holdings, robin, christine, wakeup, All (#1)

....and to bolster that argument, thanks to a tip from wakeup on another thread, I just ran across this, which brings it all into focus:

".....Provisions in Patriot Act II will allow secret arrests, warrantless searches, broad asset forfeiture [*** search Title 50 confiscation] and, believe it or not, the stripping of citizenship from Americans. Once so disenfranchised, we can be deported for “further processing.”......

[btw, see Bush TRANSPLANT hospitals: http://www.stewwebb.com/bush_crime_family_companies.htm . When "culling the herd", no sense in letting all those organs going to waste is there? After all ....."WHEN A JEW NEEDS A LIVER....." and "THE MELTDOWN OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND PERSONAL FREEDOM". ]

......Can you say torture and murder?

To be arrested under Patriot Act II, one merely has to be accused by bureaucrats of providing support to groups designated as terrorist organizations, even if one is unaware of that group's activities.

Tomorrow’s legal system will look like today’s child custody courts.

While we debate the merits of military tribunals, far worse takes place as family after family is ripped apart by courts...

sitting without juries...

closed to the public...

with sealed records...

no right to cross-examine or, even, confront accusers...

no right to present evidence other than that offered by the State...

where you are guilty until proven innocent and there is no way to prove your innocence....."

INJUSTICE FOR ALL http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/injustice.htm [great read!]

coming soon to ALL Americans, particularly Christians?

here we [Christians] go AGAIN?

Mar 13:9 — But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

councils [Sunedria] Sanhedrins, the grand national council, and smaller courts of judicature in each city: see on Mat 5:22. For the fulfilment of these predictions, see Note on Mt Mat 24:2

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Mar/13/9.html

Interesting, there is a note at the end of The Illuminati and the COUNCIL on Foreign Relations, [the CFR is the Illuminati in the US], that says the SANHEDRIN is the predecessor of the Illuminati.

Furthermore, a new Sanhedrin has been launched in "Israel":

Sanhedrin Launched in Tiberias

12:42 Oct 14, '04 / 29 Tishrei 5765

"A unique ceremony - probably only the second of its kind in the past 1,600 years - is taking place in Tiberias today: The launching of a Sanhedrin, the highest Jewish-legal tribunal in the Land of Israel....."

http://philologos. org/bpr/files/misc_studies/ms102.htm

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Isa/65/15.html

http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Rev/3/9.html

Psalm 2:12.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-05   12:58:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)

".....Provisions in Patriot Act II will allow secret arrests, warrantless searches, broad asset forfeiture [*** search Title 50 confiscation] and, believe it or not, the stripping of citizenship from Americans. Once so disenfranchised, we can be deported for “further processing.”......

Makes a good case for becoming an ex-pat now.

Abramoff's operation in South Africa was named Sanhedrin.

robin  posted on  2006-08-05   13:06:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#3)

Abramoff's operation in South Africa was named Sanhedrin.

Thank you for reminding me of that once again. What a web they have spun.

Makes a good case for becoming an ex-pat now.

I think there are some problems with that one, although I am not clear on why.

I think it boils down to, if you are a Christian American, they want you D-E-A- D. Micah 4, Psalm 2, and your "cords cast away" from them. Some of them have proclaimed "America is our Zion!". Not! II Samuel 7:10; Ezekiel 34:11-13; John 10; Matthew 15:13. It's literally, the battle for the kingdom of heaven, which is not "out there", but here. [THY KINGDOM COME, they will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven. See also Matthew 13:31-34. Jesus said to beware the leaven of the Pharisees. We didn't do a very good job of that.]. They lose in the end, which I believe is fast approaching. I pray for it every day and night, before they kill everyone in the Middle East.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-05   13:28:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)

Before this war is over, evangelical Christians will be thoroughly despised here and abroad.

Just as the NeoCommies have completely destroyed the GOP, they have also destroyed the credibility of the Christian Right. They are both a laughing stock, but worse, more like the plague.

robin  posted on  2006-08-05   13:33:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#5)

That's a very good point. They already destroyed the name. I always thought of evangelical as a GOOD thing, almost sounding "angelic". And it WAS a good thing, when evangelicals were preaching THE GOSPEL, the Good News of Christ and His coming kingdom. Now the very name evangelical has a very EVIL connotation, thanks to their WOLVES who entered into our churches and seminaries spewing their JEWISH FABLES, and LIES, and TALMUDIC JEW AGENDA OF MAYHEM AND JEWISH SUPREMACY! I know I am not supposed to hate them, but it is very difficult, looking at what they have done to us, what they are doing in the Middle East, and putting their people to straight-faced lie about what they are doing. And those bombs that are killing those people are paid for by US! I'm sorry, but it is very difficult not to despise them, devil-seed that they are. [not all of them, just the ones who lie, cheat, steal, and MURDER!]

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-05   13:47:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7)

Remind yourself it is really just the ZioNazis. They have their Mitlaufers too. The average Joseph doesn't think the way they do, but he's not really protesting all that much. I posted an article a day or so ago by a professor from TelAviv, very good; he condemns the war.

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