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Title: Two Articles Posted: (1) NASA Masonic Conspiracy (2) Lunatic fringe; There has long been a suspicion in some quarters that the Moon landings were faked and the Video: A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon (Fascinating Reading & Viewing)
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URL Source: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonapo.htm
Published: Aug 2, 2006
Author: William Cooper, Andrew Gumbel, and Bart
Post Date: 2006-08-03 00:03:32 by christine
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background="images/blue.jpg" bgcolor="FFFFFF"> In 1961, William Branham said: "I tell you now, it's a program that'll take you a hundred billion, billion, million light years beyond the moon. That's right. And there if you go to the moon you couldn't set down because see, you'd jump right back up unless you had some magnet to hold you there. You couldn't stay over night; you'd freeze to death. In the daytime you'd burn up. What you going to do when you get there?" (Basis of Fellowship 61-0214) The following article is an excerpt from Wm. Cooper's site NASA was created to make interstellar travel believable. The Apollo Space Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon. Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon. *********** Lunatic fringe; There has long been a suspicion in some quarters that the Moon landings were faked. Nasa, however, has always maintained a dignified silence on the subject. Until now... ANDREW GUMBEL reports on a new twist in the greatest conspiracy theory of all.(Features) The Independent (London, England); 11/27/2002; Gumbel, Andrew To understand everything you need to know about the Great Moon Landing Conspiracy, you don't have to go back to 20 July 1969, the day that Neil Armstrong's celebrated moonwalk (or perhaps, given the territory we are entering, we should say purported moonwalk) was broadcast live to an awestruck world. You don't even have to go back to the summer of 1978, the release date for a highly suggestive sci-fi B-movie called Capricorn One, in which the first manned mission to Mars is revealed to be a colossal fake staged by Nasa - a plotline that gave a lot of otherwise trusting people some irresistibly scurrilous ideas about the true size of that "giant leap for mankind" nine years earlier. No, the really crucial turning point in the conspiracy came just last year - 15 February 2001, to be precise. That was the date that the Fox television network created a headache for all right-thinking rocket scientists by broadcasting a curious hour-long programme entitled Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon? There was only ever going to be one way to answer that question, especially with a host such as Mitch Pileggi, an actor from The X-Files and, sure enough, the programme claimed to present compelling evidence that man never set foot on the Moon. Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin et al were nothing better than frauds and government stooges, it alleged; the whole thing had been staged inside a film studio on a US military base somewhere in the Mojave desert. Why should we believe that? Well, the programme asserted, the US flag planted on the Moon's surface is shown in the television footage to be fluttering, and we all know there is no breeze of any kind on the Moon. The photographs taken by the astronauts are suspiciously well-framed and, significantly, do not include any of the Moon's night sky, even though there would surely be a stunning array of stars on view. Even more significantly, the shadows in the pictures are clearly coming from more than one angle - a seeming impossibility on the Moon, where the only light source is the sun, but more than plausible inside the confines of a film studio. As for the famed Moon rocks brought back by the Apollo astronauts, one of them is marked with a tell-tale letter "C", suggesting the markings not of some alien life force but of a prop master who forgot to erase his handiwork. It's a wonderfully alluring idea, and a good portion of Fox's viewership was no doubt sorely tempted to swallow it. Most of us love a good conspiracy theory and this is one to put up with the best of them. Could it be that we've been duped all these years? Could it be that we were right all along to think that putting a man on the Moon was the very definition of impossibility? It's a delicious thought, and one whose time has surely come. The world may have been naive about the manipulative power of the media back in 1969, but now we're all familiar with Wag The Dog, The Truman Show and The Matrix, films that suggest we may not actually be living in the world we perceive around us but rather in an alternative reality created for political reasons by forces beyond our control. Much of modern life plays out like a film or a television drama already (just turn on the 24-hour news channels), so why should the Moon landings be any different? Granted, the Fox programme was not intended as a pinnacle of investigative journalism - this is a network, after all, whose previous offerings have included such shameless tabloid romps as When Good Pets Go Bad and Alien Autopsy - but it caused a sensation none the less. All sorts of nuts started coming out of the woodwork, peddling their own twists on the Moon hoax. The internet went crazy with theories and counter-theories. A "self-taught engineer" from New Jersey called Ralph Rene produced a monograph, "Nasa Mooned America", in which he referred to the heroes of the Apollo missions as "astro-nots". (His humour, one presumes, was also self-taught.) A squint- eyed Tennesseean called Bart Sibrel produced a video, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, in which he claimed to have dug up behind-the- scenes Nasa footage of astronauts mugging for the cameras. Sibrel also developed an obsessive habit of confronting former Apollo astronauts and challenging them to swear on the Bible that they really went up into space. It is a habit that came to an abrupt end last September when a harried Buzz Aldrin lost his temper and thwacked him on the nose outside a Beverly Hills hotel. (Sibrel tried to sue for assault, but the Los Angeles district attorney's office refused to press charges.) Pretty soon, Nasa itself wondered if a reaction wasn't in order. So it put out a press release stating, for the record, that there had been no hoax and that astronauts really did go to the Moon. Unfortunately, that's pretty much all the press release said, all but inviting the conspiracists to accuse the space agency of refusing to engage with their arguments - the implication being that they were too good to refute. A few weeks ago, Nasa tried again, announcing that it was commissioning a respected popular science writer, Jim Oberg, to write a lengthy pamphlet dismantling the naysayers' arguments one by one. An enthusiastic Oberg explained how much he was looking forward to the task, not just because he relished the chance to demolish the sensationalism of the Fox programme but because he wanted people to understand why such conspiracy theories arise in the first place. "There is no such thing as a stupid question," he said. "Every time something like this comes up, it is an opportunity for teaching and learning." But now Nasa has just played into the hands of the conspiracists all over again by abruptly changing its mind and cancelling Oberg's contract. Officially, the reason was that the space agency considered the Moon landing hoax to be so preposterous as to be unworthy of a response. Unofficially, sources close to Nasa suggested, top management was worried that publicity over Oberg's book would distract from its current political difficulties in shoring up the agency's budget. But in that realm that is so far off from officialdom as to be absent from reality altogether, there was no doubt what Nasa's decision portended. Almost in unison, every Moon-obsessed conspiracy theorist floating out in cyberspace gasped in amazement: My God, these people really do have something to hide! It's probably worth stating at this juncture that plenty of appropriately qualified scientists have examined the evidence and unanimously concluded that the conspiracy theorists don't have even the beginnings of a case. Too many things about the Apollo missions were impossible to fake, from the radio signals picked up at listening stations around the world to the Moon rocks, which have been subjected to repeated geological analysis and clearly date back several millennia in an environment that was entirely devoid of water. (That "C" on the photographed rock has since been found to have been a hair accidentally introduced when Nasa was printing up the negatives.) If the US flag on the Moon is kinked in photographs, it is because it was arranged to look that way. (The astronauts hung the flag from a horizontal rod across the top to stop it drooping in the windless atmosphere and purposely did not pull it entirely straight.) If the shadows go in more than one direction, it is because sunlight is reflected off the surface of the Moon itself, an effect known to physicists as Heiligenschein, the German word for a halo. If the stars did not come out in the photographs, it is because they were too dim in the background. (Try taking a photo of the night sky on earth with a compact camera and they will be equally indistinct.) Just because the conspiracy theorists don't have a case, though, doesn't take away from their oddly compelling loopiness. Take the grandaddy of them all, a septuagenarian rabble-rouser called Bill Kaysing, whose book We Never Went to the Moon came out in 1974. Kaysing - who has also taken an interest down the years in the suggestion that Britain paid the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor - claims to have been in on the ground floor of the space programme as a researcher for Rocketdyne, a major Nasa contractor, in the late 1950s and early 1960s. In his rather fevered version of events, the Americans decided to go ahead with the faked landings years after Russian scientists "proved" that travelling to the Moon was scientifically impossible. The three astronauts who perished aboard the ill-fated Apollo 1 mission in 1967 - Gus Grissom, Roger Chaffee and Ed White - were, in fact, murdered after they threatened to reveal the hoax to the world. The Apollo 11 mission, meanwhile, was launched with no astronauts on board and the rocket quickly jettisoned in the South Atlantic, he claimed. The astronauts spent the entire mission inside a film studio either at the Area 51 military base in Nevada or at Norton Air Force Base in San Bernardino, California, and were later dropped by parachute from a military transport plane over the Pacific. If they were kept out of public view for a month after their "re-entry", it was to prepare them for the grotesque lies they were expected to tell. The conspiracy has never stopped. The Challenger space shuttle disaster in 1986 was, in Kayser's opinion, another instance of government-instigated murder: the lone civilian on board, schoolteacher Christa McAuliffe, had refused to go along with the lie that you can't see stars from space and needed to be silenced. Kaysing's evidence? Hey, who needs evidence when the facts speak so eloquently for themselves? One recurring feature of the Moon conspiracy theorists is their claim that Nasa astronauts have lied, distorted and covered up the record. Curiously, though, the conspiracists themselves don't stand up too well under close scrutiny. Kaysing, for example, did indeed work for Rocketdyne, but as an archivist, not a scientist. His undergraduate degree was in English literature and he has no specialist scientific knowledge at all. Bart Sibrel, meanwhile, likes to say he is a former television journalist with NBC, when in fact he did no more than work once as a part-time editor at NBC's Nashville affiliate for a couple of months. (NBC has disowned him entirely.) His "never before seen footage" of the faked Moon landing turns out to be a publicly accessible Nasa tape of astronauts preparing, without subterfuge, to go on television for an interview. It would be a mistake, though, to assume that all Moon conspiracists are as low-calibre as this bunch. At the opposite end of the spectrum from the hoax advocates is an entirely different, rather more literate school of conspiracy-mongers whose views are every bit as sensational, even if they happen not to have been given an airing on national television. These are the UFO nuts, the true believers in alien life forms. Their line is that astronauts most definitely did go to the Moon, but that they recovered far more than a load of rocks. In fact, Nasa found widespread evidence of an ancient alien civilisation that may or may not still exist - a discovery so jarring that the agency has been desperately seeking to conceal its findings from the public ever since. This is a natural follow-on from the touchstone of all UFO theories, the purported alien crash-landing in the New Mexico desert in 1947. Philip Corso, a former US Army intelligence officer, wrote a book a few years ago arguing that the space race was at root an effort by both the US and the Soviet Union to be the first to negotiate an interstellar treaty with the aliens - the thinking being that whoever could enlist the support of technologically superior life-forms from elsewhere in the galaxy would surely win the Cold War and come to dominate political affairs on earth. Lt-Col Corso did not mention whether such a treaty was ever signed in the wake of the Moon landings. Some more recent theorists take exception to the Moon hoax school, saying its advocates are an insult to their intelligence, no less. "Let us be clear; we are all uniformly, unabashedly, conspiracy theorists here. We are 100 per cent convinced that there has been a cover-up by Nasa," the authors Richard Hoagland and Michael Bara wrote in a recent paper published at their Star Trek-influenced website www. enterprisemission.com. "That said, one thing they did not do, unquestionably, was fake the Moon landings. In fact, most of the charges made... are so absurd, so easily discredited, so lacking in any kind of scientific analysis and just plain common sense that they give legitimate conspiracy theories like ours a bad name." Poster Comment: Click here to watch "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon"
NASA Masonic Conpsiracy
Apollo Mission's Masonic Symbols
All of the names, missions, landing sites, and events in the Apollo Space Program echoed the occult metaphors, rituals, and symbology of the Illuminati's secret religion: The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named "Aquarius" (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military time) on April 13, 1970 which was the metaphor for the initiation ceremony involving the death (explosion), placement in the coffin (period of uncertainty of their survival), communion with the spiritual world and the imparting of esoteric knowledge to the candidate (orbit and observation of the moon without physical contact), rebirth of the initiate (solution of problem and repairs), and the raising up (of the Phoenix, the new age of Aquarius) by the grip of the lions paw (reentry and recovery of Apollo 13). 13 is the (occult) number of death and rebirth, death and reincarnation, sacrifice, the Phoenix, the Christ (perfected soul imprisoned in matter), and the transition from the old to the new. Another revelation to those who understand the symbolic language of the Illuminati is the hidden meaning of the names of the Space Shuttles, "A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis. . . and all Challengers shall be destroyed."
Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the hoax without being ultimately discovered: And of course they ran out of pre-filmed episodes.
No man has ever ascended higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth's surface. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon it has been done in secret and with a far different technology.
The tremendous radiation encountered in the Van Allen Belt, solar radiation, cosmic radiation, temperature control, and many other problems connected with space travel prevent living organisms leaving our atmosphere with our known level of technology. Any intelligent high school student with a basic physics book can prove NASA faked the Apollo moon landings.
If you doubt this please explain how the astronauts walked upon the moon's surface enclosed in a space suit in full sunlight absorbing a minimum of 265 degrees of heat surrounded by a vacuum. NASA tells us the moon has no atmosphere and that the astronauts were surrounded by the vacuum of space.
Heat is defined as the vibration or movement of molecules within matter. The faster the molecular motion the higher the temperature. The slower the molecular motion the colder the temperature. Absolute zero is that point where all molecular motion ceases. In order to have hot or cold molecules must be present.
A vacuum is a condition of nothingness where there are no molecules. Vacuums exist in degrees. Some scientists tell us that there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum. Space is the closest thing to an absolute vacuum that is known to us. There are so few molecules present in most areas of what we know as "space" that any concept of "hot" or "cold" is impossible to measure. A vacuum is a perfect insulator. That is why a "Thermos" or vacuum bottle is used to store hot or cold liquids in order to maintain the temperature for the longest time possible without re-heating or re-cooling.
Radiation of all types will travel through a vacuum but will not affect the vacuum. Radiant heat from the sun travels through the vacuum of space but does not "warm" space. In fact the radiant heat of the sun has no affect whatsoever until it strikes matter. Molecular movement will increase in direct proportion to the radiant energy which is absorbed by matter. The time it takes to heat matter exposed to direct sunlight in space is determined by its color, its elemental properties, its distance from the sun, and its rate of absorption of radiant heat energy. Space is NOT hot. Space is NOT cold.
Objects which are heated cannot be cooled by space. In order for an object to cool it must first be removed from direct sunlight. Objects which are in the shadow of another object will eventually cool but not because space is "cold". Space is not cold. Hot and cold do not exist in the vacuum of space. Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other molecules until eventually all motion will stop provided the object is sheltered from the direct and/or indirect radiation of the sun and that there is no other source of heat. Since the vacuum of space is the perfect insulator objects take a very long time to cool even when removed from all sources of heat, radiated or otherwise.
NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance.
NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55o over the boiling point of water (210oF at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate, destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation.
Remember this. Think about it the next time you go off in the morning with a "vacuum bottle" filled with hot coffee. Think about it long and hard when you sit down and pour a piping hot cup from your thermos to drink with your lunch four hours later. . . and then think about it again when you pour the last still very warm cup of coffee at the end of the day.
The same laws of physics apply to any vehicle traveling through space. NASA claims that the spacecraft was slowly rotated causing the shadowed side to be cooled by the intense cold of space. . . an intense cold that DOES NOT EXIST. In fact the only thing that could have been accomplished by a rotation of the spacecraft is a more even and constant heating such as that obtained by rotating a hot dog on a spit. In reality a dish called Astronaut a la Apollo would have been served. At the very least you would not want to open the hatch upon the crafts return.
NASA knows better than to claim, in addition, that a water cooling apparatus such as that which they claim cooled the astronauts suits cooled the spacecraft. No rocket could ever have been launched with the amount of water needed to work such a system for even a very short period of time. Fresh water weighs a little over 62 lbs. per cubic foot. Space and weight capacity were critical given the lift capability of the rockets used in the Apollo Space Program. No such extra water was carried by any mission whatsoever for suits or for cooling the spacecraft.
On the tapes the Astronauts complained bitterly of the cold during their journey and while on the surface of the moon. They spoke of using heaters that did not give off enough heat to overcome the intense cold of space. It was imperative that NASA use this ruse because to tell the truth would TELL THE TRUTH. It is also proof of the arrogance and contempt in which the Illuminati holds the common man.
What we heard is in reality indicative of an over zealous cooling system in the props used during the filming of the missions at the Atomic Energy Commission's Nevada desert test site, where it is common to see temperatures well over 100o. In the glaring unfiltered direct heat of the sun the Astronauts could never have been cold at any time whatsoever in the perfect insulating vacuum of space.
NASA claims that the space suits worn by the astronauts were pressurized at 5 psi over the ambient pressure (0 psi vacuum) on the moon's surface. We have examined the gloves NASA claims the astronauts wore and find they are made of pliable material containing no mechanical, hydraulic, or electrical devices which would aid the astronauts in the dexterous use of their fingers and hands while wearing the gloves. Experiments prove absolutely that such gloves are impossible to use and that the wearer cannot bend the wrist or fingers to do any dexterous work whatsoever when filled with 5 psi over ambient pressure either in a vacuum or in the earth's atmosphere. NASA actually showed film and television footage of astronauts using their hands and fingers normally during their EVAs on the so-called lunar surface. The films show clearly that there is no pressure whatsoever within the gloves . . . a condition that would have caused explosive decompression of the astronauts resulting in almost immediate death if they had really been surrounded by the vacuum of space.
If you don't believe it try it yourself . . . it is a very simple experiment and does not require a rocket scientist to perform. These are just two of over a hundred very simple and very easy to prove valid scientific reasons why NASA and the Apollo Space Program are two of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the unsuspecting and trusting People of the world.
Most, if not all, of the photos, films, and videotape of the Apollo Moon Missions are easily proven to be fake. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of photography, lighting, and physics can easily prove that NASA faked the visual records of the Apollo Space Program. Some are so obviously fake that when the discrepancies are pointed out to unsuspecting viewers an audible gasp has been heard. Some have actually gone into a mild state of shock. Some People break down and cry. I have seen others become so angry that they have ripped the offending photos to shreds while screaming incoherently.
C. Fred Kleinknect, head of NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off. All of the first astronauts were Freemasons. There is a photograph in the House of the Temple in Washington DC of Neil Armstrong on the moon's surface (supposedly) in his spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin.
The effect upon the people of the world was, that if we could go to the moon other creatures from other worlds could travel to our Earth. The escalation of the artificial alien threat scenario since that time is obvious.
The recent revelations of the fraudulent nature of NASA and the Apollo space program by the Intelligence Service and others has resulted in a flood of propaganda, television programs, and films designed to keep the sheople trapped in a deep ignorant sleep. The most ambitious are "Apollo 13" and "From the Earth to the Moon", both involving the actor/producer Tom Hanks. The latter opens with a monologue by Mr. Hanks who walks forward revealing a huge representation of the "God" Apollo (Sun, Osiris, lost word, etc.) guiding his chariot pulled by 4 horses through the heavens.
(End of excerpt from William Cooper's Recent Conspiracy Overview
Apollo is "Lucifer". And remember, that the international flag of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry is the United Nations Flag (according to their own site). As Bill Cooper points out, the United Nations Flag depicts the nations of the world encircled by the laurel of Apollo. masonapo.htm
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#1. To: christine (#0)
Of course we landed on the moon! I watched it live, with Walter Cronkite on CBS, all the while playing with a new supercharger I got for my Hot Wheels cars. (no lie, I remember it like it was yesterday) (wish I still had those old Hot Wheels...I hear some of the older ones are worth some $$$)
Between the footage of all the Lunar landings and the rocks they brought back; I'd say there is plenty of proof. As to the cooling, there is no way to cool any spacecraft - unless the engineering was there to do just that. No, there would be no heat radiated off into space. That doesn't eliminate having a substance on board to absorb the heat, add other devices to use up the heat energy, doing things like producing electricity. I'm no expert on the thermodynamics of space flight, but I'm guessing that wasn't exactly "mission impossible." And yeah, a Mason was a moon-walker - Neil Armstrong. There was even a Masonic Lodge declared on the Moon; now operating in Texas - Tranquility Lodge No. 2000 - Waco, Texas.
moving this over to this thread: Can We See Appollo Hardware On The Moon i can't ! how do we know those are even authentic photos of the moon much less those spots being the shadows of the module. the dots there are indistinguishable from all the other dots in those photos.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison
I din't realize you had posted this. Can We See Appollo Hardware On The Moon i can't ! how do we know those are even authentic photos of the moon much less those spots being the shadows of the module. the dots there are indistinguishable from all the other dots in those photos. lol! My computer is already freezing up, so I'll jot down the thread # for later. Your comment reminds me when they released those Pentagon photos that supposedly showed the plane hitting it. The siren voice kept saying....in the right-hand corner you can see what appears to be the plane...blah blah or words to that effect. Thanks to Lyndon LaRouche, I knew the whole thing was an inside job from the beginning, otherwise I wonder if I would have "seen" it too. As it is, I thought: the emperor wears no clothes.
yeppers! bumpety bump to the top ! :P
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Science_Challenge_24.html
Lacking an atmosphere, the solar light would still reflect off the light- colored Lunar terrain. Given the mirrored facepieces would be an indicator of the brightness. Thus, an automatic lens would shutter down far enough to not pick up the stars. While "strange" to earthlings, I don't find any viable "evidence" in that issue.
While "strange" to earthlings, I don't find any viable "evidence" in that issue. And what exactly kind of film would be used in such an atmosphere? Why were no stars ever seen by the astronauts whilst on the moon and according to Mike Collins ever at all? why was there no evidence of a blast area underneath lunar landers? No dust, nothing.
What Really Happened on the Way to the Moon (google video-2hr 11min)
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
My take on it. [:{)
I've not seen from anyone a point by point refutation of the science/physics for why a moon landing is/was not possible cited in William Cooper's article above. I remain openminded as all I'm seeking is the truth. Have you watched "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon?"
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison and here it is, folks! And what would it be like to walk around on the moon with several days worth of crap inside your suit? What would happen if the astronaut falls down, and the bag of crap gets squeezed open? And with vomiting so common in space, what would it be like to have vomit in the suit? > From Tim: During the many days that the astronauts were supposedly traveling to and from the moon, they could have looked out the window and talked about and took photos of the stars, the planets, etc, but they never even mentioned the stars. They were in a cramped spacecraft for many days, but they could not talk about the stars because they had no idea what the stars really look liked from such a position in space. The issue of stars reaches the point of lunacy when NASA claims that stars cannot be seen from the moon! This is what myScience Challenge is about. To help keep the Apollo scam going, all the astronauts in the space station have to keep quiet about the stars. NASA wants us to believe that nobody can see stars except those of us on the earth and in airplanes. Once we travel above 20 kilometers, the stars vanish! 2) The Russians would have exposed the Apollo fraud This is a common argument. I heard it from my own father. Here are some examples of what people have written: From Tim: The Soviet Union in the 1960s was an advanced military and scientific power. It would not be fooled by a fake moon landing. It had its agents within the western scientific community to feed information. It had an advanced space program. What US gov. would take the almighty risk of being found out by the USSR and exposed as a fraud?!! It would be the joke of the century. The Americans beat them to the moon — a place they would have never made it to anyhow — but the whole "space race" of the 50s and 60s had only one prize, and come hell or high water, either the Russians or the Americans were going to catch that prize first. If the Americans had not — and did not — make it to the moon, the Russians would have certainly exposed the hoax by now. It's that sort of ammunition they most greatly desire(d). So, if the Russians say we went — and they most certainly do — then we did. If you think the Russians would love to expose scams, here are just four of many questions you should answer: Supposedly some people even complained to the TV studios that Apollo coverage was getting in the way of regular TV shows. How could Americans not care about such an incredible achievement? Looking at myself, I can see the reason enthusiasm disappeared. Landing on the moon was the most incredible achievement of the human race. The astronauts should have been excited. They should have looked up at the sky, down at the ground, and all around them. Instead, they ignored the sky completely, and they did not even look much at the moon. Instead, they put their time into posing for photos with the US flag, and putting samples of moon dirt into bags. Watching the Apollo moon landings was equivalent to having your friend invite you over to watch videos of his trip to the Galapagos Islands. He then shows you hour after hour of him posing with a US flag and playing golf at the hotel. It would not occur to you that he faked a trip to the Galapagos Islands; instead, you would think to yourself, Apollo reminds me of those T-shirts that have something like: I was a teenager at the time Apollo was landing on the moon, and my assumption was that the astronauts were selected for the job because they were the best at resisting dizziness, and they were in good physical shape. I assumed there were mental nitwits. My interest in Apollo slowly vanished simply because of the stupidity of the event. After one or two missions, I was wishing that they had sent a few intelligent people. I was also upset when I saw an astronaut take a golf ball out of his pocket while on the moon. Even though I was a teenager, I considered the smuggling of anything to be irresponsible. For one reason, weight is serious issue in spacecraft. Also, what if the ball exploded in the vacuum of space? Or what if the extreme temperatures caused it to explode? Couldn't it tear a hole in the spacesuit? What kind of irresponsible jerks were the astronauts? They behaved as if traveling to the moon was as safe as a visit to Disneyland. If I was the first astronaut on the moon, I would have been concerned about my safety. I would want to check radiation levels on the moon, for example. I would also observe my space suit, and the suit of the other astronaut, to see what effect the intense heat and cold had on it. These suits had never been tested on the moon before, so how would anybody know for sure they would survive? And what about tiny meteors? Would they cause trouble? How many meteors might hit an astronaut per hour? And would the spacesuits protect against the meteors? Since there were no toilets in the spacecraft, I would also be concerned about the bags of poop and pee in the spacesuit. Why doesn't NASA let us know how they performed the miracle of keeping grown men in space suits for up to 2 weeks? Leaving a baby in diapers for just a few days would be considered "child abuse". So how did NASA keep Apollo astronauts in suits for 2 weeks? Why doesn't NASA tell us how they did it? And what would it be like to walk around on the moon with several days worth of crap inside your suit? What would happen if the astronaut falls down, and the bag of crap gets squeezed open? And with vomiting so common in space, what would it be like to have vomit in the suit? I would also like to have a temperature sensor with me, and I would have observed and talked about the temperature in the sunshine, and in the shade. Bart Sibrel, in that interview I mentioned, points out that the video from inside the lunar module does not have any noise from the rocket engine. NASA certainly did a tremendous job of isolating the vibrations of a powerful rocket from the people inside! However, the endless lies, puppet governments, scams, and corruption resulted in apathy, disgust of government, and attitudes of "Why should I care about this corrupt nation?" Perhaps in the future the human race will advance beyond this animal-like existence. But will the human race improve if we assist these scams by keeping quiet about them? I think we should let people know about them so that the human race can learn from them. We need to design better governments, and that requires we discuss the problems we currently have with our governments. Click on this link to the NASA photos from the SOHO telescope which shows the sun. This brings you to a page where you can select which type of photo to look at. Click on one of the two photos of the sun's corona (LASCO C2 or LASCO C3). Notice that the images are full of white spots of various sizes, and there are a few white streaks of various lengths. (The images at 1024 × 1024 pixels show the most details.) Your bonus question: "Are those white spots the stars?" If so, that means stars are visible through the sun's corona. This should make you wonder, if the stars are bright enough to shine through the sun's corona, should stars be visible to astronauts in the space station or on the moon? This should also make you wonder, if an astronaut held his hand up to block the sun, would he see the corona and the stars around the sun? > geovisit(); "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison and here it is, folks! The astronauts would be on the sunny side of the moon. Just as we can't see stars in the daytime - due to light contrast, the astronauts would be looking into the light of the sun. Without something on the order of a well shaft, the stars would be washed out by the brightness of the sun. With such a low level of gravity, there would be no requirement for a touch- down retro- rocket jet-blast crater, as one would rationally expect on Earth. There may have been one on the blast-off, however. Sure, the matter can be debated; I can't buy into all those images of the lunar physical activity such as the low gravity jumping & the rover bouncing along the surface as being a matter of hollywood effects.
Thanks Itisa1mosttoolate, shall download and watch later. ; )
Part II (just in case you missed it!) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5737681932896358451&q=What+Happened+on+the+Moon
There's far, far too many questions about the whole deal SD. Any idea on the kind of film they used out there on the surface?
A former intern at NASA is set to make a mint after auctioning off tapes with original footage of the Apollo 11 Moon landing that the space agency sold to him decades ago.As we have mentioned before, NASA has made its fair share of blunders. Among the most boneheaded was losing the original footage of the first time humans have landed on the Moon. Thirty-five years after the Apollo 11 mission, the agency realized that those tapes were missing and concluded that it accidentally reused them during the 1980s.As it turns out, at least three of those videotapes are still around. NASA didn’t tape over them, but they did sell them to an intern. He held onto them for decades, not really knowing what they contained, and now he is putting them up for auction.In 1976, Gary George paid $217 for 65 boxes of tapes at a government surplus auction. Now, Sotheby’s estimates that those three videotapes will fetch around $2 million.[3] Appraisers from the auction house deemed the quality “faultless,” as it represents the sharpest footage of the lunar landing ever recorded. It’s a good thing George held onto those tapes at his father’s behest and didn’t resell them like he did with all the other boxes. How about that! Must be the stuff originally filmed at Area 51. But something else doesn't add up -- why isn't he required to give the tapes "back" to the govt? Surely they're among its main prized possessions of all time, extra top- secret classified etc? Mebbe he'll find more flaws than others already have, and they're legion. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
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Lunatic fringe
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Your comment reminds me when they released those Pentagon photos that supposedly showed the plane hitting it. The siren voice kept saying....in the right-hand corner you can see what appears to be the plane...blah blah or words to that effect.
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Lacking an atmosphere, the solar light would still reflect off the light- colored Lunar terrain. Given the mirrored facepieces would be an indicator of the brightness. Thus, an automatic lens would shutter down far enough to not pick up the stars.
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"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
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If I was the first astronaut on the moon, I would have been concerned about my safety. I would want to check radiation levels on the moon, for example. I would also observe my space suit, and the suit of the other astronaut, to see what effect the intense heat and cold had on it. These suits had never been tested on the moon before, so how would anybody know for sure they would survive? And what about tiny meteors? Would they cause trouble? How many meteors might hit an astronaut per hour? And would the spacesuits protect against the meteors? Since there were no toilets in the spacecraft, I would also be concerned about the bags of poop and pee in the spacesuit. Why doesn't NASA let us know how they performed the miracle of keeping grown men in space suits for up to 2 weeks? Leaving a baby in diapers for just a few days would be considered "child abuse". So how did NASA keep Apollo astronauts in suits for 2 weeks? Why doesn't NASA tell us how they did it?
Common rebuttals
to the Apollo Scam
1) It would be too difficult to fake a moon landing. If Apollo was a fake it would have to be a very professionally carried out fake.
They would have done their homework which means they would know how the sky looked from the moon!
My response: Yes, you are correct! Faking the correct position and motion of the stars, Venus, etc, would have been extremely difficult, if not impossible. That is why the Apollo astronauts never mentioned or took photos of the stars, Venus, and Mars. NASA had to avoid the issue of stars, just as the government has to avoid the issue of what caused Building 7 of the World Trade Center to collapse.
The Russians would have known what space looked like from the moon since Luna 9 and succeeding craft took photographs. If US Apollo photographs looked dodgy the Russians would have noticed and made the Americans look like frauds and idiots. It is that simple.
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Who better than the Russians, would benefit more, would have more to gain than they to unmask this great alleged American hoax?
My response: Do you think the Russians are smart enough to know whether Apollo was a fake? Do you think that the Russians would take the opportunity to make the Americans look like frauds and idiots? What about the Chinese? Would they take the opportunity to expose the fraud, also?
I think the answer to such questions is: all nation's have corrupt governments, and all commit scams. None of them want to get into a scam-exposing fight.
Apollo would have been an incredible achievement
"What a jerk! He spends all that time and money to visit the Galapagos Islands, and then all he does is play golf and pose with a US flag."
I have no problem with the astronauts posing for photos, but as Bart Sibrel pointed out in an interview with Daniel Ott, the Astronauts probably would have posted for photos with the earth in the background. What kind of idiot would go to the moon without getting some truly spectacular photos? "My parents went all the way to Paris, but all I got was this lousy T-shirt"
Why no concern for their safety?
Why not show the unique aspects of the moon?
The blast-off from the moon
"Oh, well. I suppose the real video was such low quality that NASA substituted this simulation."
I sensed the video of the blast-off was a fake because the rocket did not seem to accelerate properly, and because there was no sign of rocket exhaust. But instead of assuming the entire Apollo mission was a hoax, I assumed the blast-off was an innocent simulation, similar to when singers lip-sync to their music on TV.
Scams are hurting us, not helping
Bonus Question
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https://listverse.com/2019/07/06/10-offbeat-stories-you-might-have-missed-this-week-7-6-19/
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