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Title: Mounting Public Opinion Forces Fox into Retreat
Source: LGN/The Jones Report
URL Source: http://www.lookingglassnews.org/pri ... ndly.php?storyid=6847&print=no
Published: Aug 5, 2006
Author: Aaron dykes
Post Date: 2006-08-05 20:37:16 by Kamala
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Mounting Public Opinion Forces Fox into Retreat

by Aaron Dykes The Jones Report Entered into the database on Saturday, August 05th, 2006 @ 11:23:23 MST

Disbelief Caused by Bush 'Hatred' Say 'No Spin' News Heads Descending Deeper into the Defensive

The campaign to discredit the 9/11 Truth Movement has gone from manageable to desperate for the administration. The push for more evidence had been dammed up by the premise of the Moussoui Trial. But since its completion, pressure has forced an ever-defensive government to dole out evidence.

So, we have seen the handled release of more Pentagon footage and now, the release of some of the NORAD recordings from 9/11. Fox News has had on many guests regarding 9/11 since the Pentagon footage was released, including 9/11 Scholars for Truth members James Fetzer, the founder, and Kevin Barrett, whose un-tenured teaching position has come under attack.

Both scholars raised questions that Fox News couldn't fully address, but Fox was still able to maintain the catch all defense summed up in the label "Conspiracy Theorist."

But now the Bush administration's parrot has been forced to descend deeper into the circles of illogical defense-- showing the forced hand in trying to suppress information about the truth of the September 11 attacks.

The recent Scripps-Howard/Ohio State Poll found that 1/3 of the American public "suspect federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East."

Fox News, then, must hobble backwards over itself in the name of damage control.

This only compliments the May 2006 Zogby Poll that reveals a shocking 42% of American adults believe in a cover-up of 9/11. It further revealed that over 70 million Americans would support a new investigation.

This has forced a new line of defense in a crumbling and deceptive government to hide the truth-- that Americans don't believe the Official 9/11 story solely due to their 'hatred for Bush.'

The Propaganda-Peddling Ring known as Fox has one primary organizational purpose-- to maintain a public confidence that the administration's house of cards is structurally sound. The executive-branch records any approximate mandate as carte blanche on its asset sheet, and there is a vested interest in a nation torn apart by wedge issues-- one that asks only questions within the realm of the Socratic shadow world.

A populous nosing around the metaphysical light is a troubling one-- national security doesn't really justify much outside of the cave.

So, Fox News must continue to rationalize and write-off all forms of dissent, especially regarding 9/11-- which they continually characterize as the doubts of fringe conspiracy theorists.

Now that this is no longer possible, they must pawn off legitimate doubts as 'blind hatred.' Fox, of course, still cannot debate the facts of the case. To do so would be to fight an unwinnable case.

Fox News' John Gibson addresses several major concerns of 9/11 conspiracy theorists-- including faked Bin Laden tapes, controlled demolition of the 'Twin Towers' (building 7 is not mentioned here), missiles at the Pentagon.

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But he dismisses them collectively on two faulty fronts, first categorizing the belief that the 'U.S. government had something to do with the 9/11 attacks' as "madness" put forward by "America haters in Europe and Canada and Arab nation. A best selling book in France started it." (referring here to Thierry Meyssan).

After re-enforcing the idea that doubting the Official 9/11 story is Un-American, Gibson dismisses collectively claims contrary to the official account as being 'much closer to alien spaceships than they are to observable and verifiable fact.'

Fox News would like you to believe that the 9/11 case is one still rooted in rhetoric when in fact the situation is one of mounting evidence--piles and piles of indescrepancies and proven-evidence (as is in the case of thermite being found in molten steel samples) that is simply ignored by a government facade that claims, as John Gibson did, that "hundreds if not thousands of experts have told them exactly what happened on 9/11."

During the same news cycle that the Scripps-Howard poll shows a third of Americans believing the government took part in the attacks, partial tapes from NORAD on 9/11 have been released.

Even Fox News had to concede in its coverage that the Pentagon lied about the NORAD timetable. Sean Hannity acknowledged this point-- without analizing it--but was quick to assert, falsely, that it "doesn't prove there was any wrongdoing."

This weakening defense is readily reinforced by the easy "incompetence" rationale.

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Hannity wants to ask questions like: "Would the government ever be ready for some thing like that, do you think, or is it one of those things that are so unpredictable that that seems almost the natural response?"

Vanity Fair reporter Michael Bronner, who was on to cover his coverage of the NORAD tapes, covers the incompetence rationale with statements like: "It's the breakdown between the FAA and the military trying to figure out where the planes were that caused them the biggest problems all day."

This gives a false impression that contradicts the standard operating procedure of NORAD to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact is lost. NORAD's official website also claims that they will "detect, intercept and if necessary engage any air-breathing threat to this continent."

There is also the testimony of Norman Mineta, who was the Transportation Secretary during 9/11. He claims to have been in the bunker with Vice President Dick Cheney while an inferior officer reported the closing distance of the hijacked planes, asking the Vice President "if the orders still stand."

Hannity's whitewash in the interpretation of the NORAD tapes signals a new line of defense in the cover-up of 9/11 that cannot stand. There are simply too many discrepancies for the public to ignore any longer.

The ignorance of the general public the administration has relied upon is unravelling. One third of the American public suspects that the government was involved in the attacks--that number without any admissions, accusations or attention by any leading Democrats or Republicans.

The truth, then, is out in massive numbers without the help of politics. This implies strongly that the hopes of the administration to keep this thing under wraps in an open-ended War on Terror is simply over. They will be forced to show their hand or give up. Either way, the public will no longer be deceived about the truth of 9/11.

Fox News would love to really believe that sentiment and rhetoric are still the controlling devices behind the shifting public belief on 9/11. Unfortunately for Fox and the remainder of complicit mainstream media, the debate is being driven by evidence that cannot or is not being refuted by those in government in a position to do so.

Unfortunately for the criminal elements in and around the government who actually attacked the United States on 9/11, the truth of that evidence is coming out-- it is only a matter of time.

Hatred for Bush may be one of the consequences, but it is not the cause of public opinion on 9/11. This excuse will only bide time. Subscribe to *9-11*

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#1. To: Kamala (#0)

Hatred for Bush may be one of the consequences,

Rupert does not hate Bush, they are on the same team, getting everything in place for Hillary.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-08-05   20:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

They just had a 'bombs in the WTC' segment on FoxNews with Fetzer and opposing head ex-CIA Simmons (for the ahem, Jewish perspective). Fetzer could barly get a word in after questions by the Fox host.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-08-05   20:56:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Kamala, Christine, All (#0)

Jim Fetzer - "Scholars for the Truth" was just on Fox & lambasted Bush over the 9-11 scam. Since I'm on his team, I guess I have to seriously look over my shoulder, now.

We'll see.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-05   20:59:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Kamala (#0)

The ignorance of the general public the administration has relied upon is unravelling. One third of the American public suspects that the government was involved in the attacks--that number without any admissions, accusations or attention by any leading Democrats or Republicans.

The truth, then, is out in massive numbers without the help of politics. This implies strongly that the hopes of the administration to keep this thing under wraps in an open-ended War on Terror is simply over. They will be forced to show their hand or give up. Either way, the public will no longer be deceived about the truth of 9/11.

i hope this is so.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

christine  posted on  2006-08-05   21:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eoghan (#2)

Fetzer could barely get a word in after questions by the Fox host.

they don't realize it, but that makes them look worse. shrill and pathetic tactic.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

christine  posted on  2006-08-05   21:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine (#5)

Time constraints, you know...there's a war going on, Israel's fighting for her life, yada, yada.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-08-05   21:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#5)

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

I do not remember see this quote but it surely is fitting.

The Founding Fathers were a lot smarter than leaders we have had for a long time.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-08-05   21:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine, kamala (#4)

The truth, then, is out in massive numbers without the help of politics. This implies strongly that the hopes of the administration to keep this thing under wraps in an open-ended War on Terror is simply over. They will be forced to show their hand or give up. Either way, the public will no longer be deceived about the truth of 9/11.

i hope this is so.

Well I imagine that 3/4 of the population thinks something wrong with the Lone Gunman theory of the JFK party that was held in 1963, yet we have the enablers of the fiction heading prominate position in the gov today.

It demonstrates how little regard and power the average, and even the unaverage person has.

The system is professional on how to control the voices of it's cattle.

tom007  posted on  2006-08-05   21:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tom007 (#8)

When I ask the general uninformed public I encounter about 911, the most general response is that the airliner impacts themselves brought down the towers. That is how uninformed people are. They are stating a position that no one is taking, not even the NIST/Silvertein/FEMA reports. Then when asked about WTC 7, the question is, what 3rd building?

Mark

Kamala  posted on  2006-08-05   21:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Kamala (#9)

airliner impacts

I recall the B-25 that flew into the Empire State building in 44/45 some time.

It had hi octane fuel not jet fuel, however its total mass was much less than those of Twin Towers.

The B-25 did little damage.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-08-05   21:20:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Kamala (#9)

They are stating a position that no one is taking, not even the NIST/Silvertein/FEMA reports.

Mark you are way ahead of me on this as I have not really detailled those reports. Are you saying the NIST did not conclude the jets were the sole cause of the catastrophic structural failures?

tom007  posted on  2006-08-05   21:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#7)

i had someone in mind when i posted it.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

christine  posted on  2006-08-05   21:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: tom007 (#11)

All three reports contradict each other. The Fema report had early stated that the bolt couplings had gave way because of fire, and fell the truss which started the pancaking. The NIST report said the trusses failed because of heating of fires and possible "blowing" off of fire protection. Then the trusses sagged and pulled the inner and outer girders inward. All three reports blame fire, not the impacts themselves. Kevin Ryan destroys the NIST conclusions, as does Jim Hoffman.

Mark

Kamala  posted on  2006-08-05   21:49:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: tom007 (#8)

a

ok, now how bizarre is this. i copied part of your post, tom, then hit paste and it posts a single letter a. wtf?

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

christine  posted on  2006-08-05   21:52:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#14)

GLITCH!!!

Kamala  posted on  2006-08-05   21:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Kamala (#13)

you know, when you read those reports it's so beyond absurd that i can't even believe they could get away with it. but then look at what tom posted about the public's response to the kennedy assassination. sigh...

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

christine  posted on  2006-08-05   21:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Kamala (#15)

4um glitch or my computer glitch?

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

christine  posted on  2006-08-05   21:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: christine (#12)

i had someone in mind when i posted it.

Sometime when you have nothing to do, find the unabridged two volumn account of the notes kept by Madison during the six months of deliberation in Philadelphia.

I have found one other person that has said he read the books, required at West Point. Being an officer and a gentleman, I immediately doubted his word.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-08-05   21:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: christine (#17)

I don't know. The changes that Neil has made have been working for me just fine.

Mark

Kamala  posted on  2006-08-05   21:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Kamala (#13)

All three reports blame fire, not the impacts themselves.

Much of the bulk of the fuel was not even burned. It went up in black smoke. Remained as Hydrocarbons. Engineers spent alot of time and $$$ trying to build burners to create stoichiometric combustion to extract the energy out of the fuel. It dosn't, usually, happen by accident.

Throwing a 100,000 gallons of kerosene in a building is a very inefficent way to heat it up. Too much fuel, rich burn = low temperatures.

Did the convention have any combustion engineers speaking?, or addressing this issue?

tom007  posted on  2006-08-05   22:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: christine (#14)

ed part of your post, tom, then hit paste and it posts a single letter a. wtf?

The Readers Digest version.

tom007  posted on  2006-08-05   22:08:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: tom007 (#20)

Sigh...

You can't melt, nor can you weaken, iron or steel with kerosene. If that were true, then my kerosene heater would have melted years ago.

I don't know how to get it throught the minds of the general public that kerosene doesn't "melt" steel. Must be the "new" physics and chemistry. That, or, we gots lots of STUPID AMERICANS. Probably the latter.

There ought to be limits to freedom. - G.W. Bush, 21 May 1999

rack42  posted on  2006-08-05   22:13:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Kamala, tom007 (#19)

i think it's me. need to reboot.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

christine  posted on  2006-08-05   22:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: tom007 (#20)

Did the convention have any combustion engineers speaking?, or addressing this issue?

No, well, not really. In the NIST and FEMA reports, the steel that was hand picked to be tested, only showed heating from 480-1250 degrees. The steel in the towers was rated at a minimum at 2000 degrees for 6 hours unprotected. The truth is in the reports. NIST conducted live scale models of the WTC floors and trusses with and without fire protection and subjected them to 2000 degree heating for 2 hour time periods. There was no sagging, warping, weakening or failure of any type. NIST had to resort to computer software models to fit what the gov/fed wanted.

Mark

Kamala  posted on  2006-08-05   22:16:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: rack42 (#22)

The real kicker is, when I tell people about pools of molten iron, at 1,000's of degrees burning for 3 months 7 basements down without O2, sulfuridation of the steel, steel that was evaporated and eutectic(SP) swiss cheese steel. How can kerosene or office furniture do this.

Mark

Kamala  posted on  2006-08-05   22:22:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: rack42 (#22)

You can't melt, nor can you weaken, iron or steel with kerosene.

This is not totally accurate. Mild Steel (Carbon impregnated Iron) changes it's crystalline form around 650 F. And there it becomes significantly weaker. That's what all the fireproofing is about - to give it time to either get the fire men there or let the fire burn out before that temp is reached.

But I don't think the WTC was using Mild steel - actually I know they were not, b/c structural steel is not mild steel. I do not know what was used.

"Fire box" quality steel like SA-106, a common hi temp steel has alloys that allow it to maintain significant strength by elevating the temperature at which the aforementioned crystalline transformation takes place, and weakening the steel.

I think around 1200 F is a conservative estimate for the weakening transformation. SA 106 is pretty strong to about 1700F. Some very high priced specialty steels, like the Swede Sanvik steels can maintain good strength to 2100 F. Three bucks a pound, I would guess.

After that you are in jet turbine country, Hastalloy, waspalloy, with alloy contents up to the ten and fifteen % range.

Note - it has been awhile since I was engineering hi temp pressure vessels, so I may be off a bit.

tom007  posted on  2006-08-05   22:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Kamala (#25)

he real kicker is, when I tell people about pools of molten iron, at 1,000's of degrees burning for 3 months 7 basements down without O2, sulfuridation of the steel, steel that was evaporated and eutectic(SP) swiss cheese steel. How can kerosene or office furniture do this.

I don't see how it can. If someone can come up with an explanation that dosen't involve the steel fairy, let's hear it.

tom007  posted on  2006-08-05   23:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#1)

Rupert does not hate Bush, they are on the same team, getting everything in place for Hillary.

Murdoch was at a feat for Hillary in NY and a few hours later was at one for McCain. He is hedging his bets or trying for the "fusion ticket" that Tim Russert let slip a few Sundays back when interviewing the both of them.

"Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back." Lord Keynes

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-08-05   23:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: tom007 (#26)

All the reports steer clear of impacts because all know how over built these towers and WTC 7 were. I read where the basic girders were rated at 42,000 psi and the outer girders were rated at 100,000 psi.

Mark

Kamala  posted on  2006-08-06   7:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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