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Title: American Evangelists See God At Work In Israel
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The Age - Australia
URL Source: http://www.theage.com.au/news/world ... /2006/08/09/1154802962293.html
Published: Aug 9, 2006
Author: Telegraph UK
Post Date: 2006-08-09 11:31:11 by Brian S
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Word of God: Pastor John Hagee. Alec Russell, Washington August 10, 2006 ANYONE wanting to understand why Israel has unwavering support from the United States should speak to one man. Fiery television evangelist Pastor John Hagee has become the rallying voice for thousands of American Christians who believe Israel is doing God's work in a "war of good versus evil". When he strode on to a stage in Washington last month, he was cheered to the rafters by 3500 prominent evangelicals — as well as by Israel's ambassador to the US, a former Israeli chief of staff and a host of US congressmen from both sides of politics. "After 25 years of hammering away at the truth on national television, millions of people have come to see the truth of the word of God," Mr Hagee said. "There is literally a groundswell of support for Israel in the USA among evangelicals." Twenty-five years ago, Mr Hagee was denounced as a heretic when he urged his fellow preachers to speak out in support of Israel. He also met with huge suspicion from the Jewish community, who thought that anti-Semitism was the standard evangelical belief. When he persevered and hosted a "night to honour Israel" in San Antonio, Texas, there was a bomb threat and panicked Christian followers ran for the door. But today most of America's 60 million Christian evangelicals, who make up about a quarter of the US electorate and form the core support base for George Bush, are behind the President's pro-Israeli position and are pushing for a showdown with Iran. As many as half are Christian Zionists. "What we have done is united all of this evangelical horsepower and said, 'We're not just going to Washington to stand on the grass and sing Amazing Grace. We're going into the halls of Congress to see the senators and to see the congressmen face-to-face and to speak to them about our concerns for Israel'," Mr Hagee said. His claim of political clout is no idle boast. Mr Bush sent a message of support praising him for "spreading the hope of God's love and the universal gift of freedom". They met several times when Mr Bush was governor of Texas. America has long backed Israel against its Arab foes, shored up in Washington by the influential America Israel Public Affairs Committee. It also reflects a cultural affinity that is greater in the wake of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001: for most Americans, Israel is on the front line against terror. But Christian Zionism is another crucial factor. It is a booming movement based on the idea that Israel's travails fulfil biblical prophecy. As the head of Christians United for Israel, which links hundreds of US evangelical leaders, Mr Hagee is one of Israel's most influential supporters. Mr Hagee sees a showdown between Islam and the West. "This is a religious war that Islam cannot and must not win," he has said. "The end of the world as we know it is rapidly approaching."
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
God may indeed be at work in Israel, hardening the hearts of the leaders of that country (as well as this country,) in preparation for sending plagues and destruction against the evildoers. At least that's what Old Testament morality would suggest. I'm not sure the God of the New Testament would be capable of doing such a thing.
"There is literally a groundswell of support for Israel in the USA among evangelicals." Mr. Hagee appears to be a very confused man. He should take a break from waving the Bible in the air and spend the time reading the words of Jesus Christ in the New Testament. He should ask the question, would Jesus drop incendiary chemical weapons on children?
did any of you catch Pat Robertson being interviewed from Israel on FNN yesterday morning? the freaky IsraelFirster "evangelical" was stunningly giddy over the bombs bursting in the air. it was a most disgusting and inappropriate display.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison
I'm sure the souls of the dead children in the ME and the now fatherless US children appreciate that. Obscene.
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life." umm, the Lord may well be at work in the Occupied Lands known as "Israel" but which Lord - the Lord of Light...or the Other One?
love ruthie Glad I missed it, although we do need to stay informed what they are up to. What insanity. How dare they call themselves Christians (a follower of Christ). Wolves in sheeps' clothing. They can't even act like sheep for 5 minutes.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers I had to stop right there.
Amen. It's been a while since I've read it (not being Christian myself) but I recall a passage where Jesus explains that no man will be able to foretell when His return will take place; like a thief in the night or some such. He spoke of a sinful generation seeking signs; maybe He had Hagee and his crew in mind?
I missed it, which is probably just as well as I would hate to lose my breakfast. These people really do have no shame.
Seeing pastor Hagee Evangelize is a lot like watching Josef Goebbels work his magic. I cannot stand this man. At first I thought he was just a guy who was giving out advice about relationships and marriage, and when he started his tirades on the end of the world, I realized what I was seeing. A False Prophet. All religions should be eliminated for the good of humanity as they are used like tools, and terrorism to get people to do the dumbest and most evil things in the name of their so called Gods.
#2. To: Brian S (#0)
"After 25 years of hammering away at the truth on national television, millions of people have come to see the truth of the word of God," Mr Hagee said.
#3. To: honway, aristeides, Brian S (#2)
#4. To: Brian S, all (#0)
His claim of political clout is no idle boast. Mr Bush sent a message of support praising him for "spreading the hope of God's love and the universal gift of freedom".They met several times when Mr Bush was governor of Texas.
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-OBL
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- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William Kingdon Clifford
#5. To: IndieTX (#4)
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#6. To: christine (#3)
did any of you catch Pat Robertson being interviewed from Israel on FNN yesterday morning? the freaky IsraelFirster "evangelical" was stunningly giddy over the bombs bursting in the air. it was a most disgusting and inappropriate display.
#7. To: Brian S (#0)
"What we have done is united all of this evangelical horse
powershit..."
#8. To: honway (#2)
He should take a break from waving the Bible in the air and spend the time reading the words of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
#9. To: christine (#3)
#10. To: Brian S (#0)
 | What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#11. To: Brian S (#0)
That's Fools for Bush. His real base is the "haves and have mores," as he put it.
America's 60 million Christian evangelicals, who make up about a quarter of the US electorate and form the core support base for George Bush
I've already said too much.
#12. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#10)
That's what communism helps to do. Unfortunately, it works about as well as religions do since rulers inevitably set themselves up as gods and demand worship(and then genocide of some group or another).
All religions should be eliminated for the good of humanity
"As America give billions to Israel, our schools complain of a lack of money and our government complains it cannot afford to create a proper train system. The USA is like a retarded girl who has been tricked by the neighborhood boys into letting them have sex." -- Hufshmid
#13. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#10)
Hegee, can you blame him? I wish someone would fill my pockets as quickly.
I work hard, every day of my life, just stayin' alive.
#14. To: Nintendo of the Gods (#12)
Religions across the board have always been a tool of the elite to empower themselves, and impose their rules of law. Who do you think works as their direct emissaries? Religious leaders. Every religion on this earth is a false one, as they have been manipulated, and twisted to suit the needs of every elite in the world. That is why there is so much unrest in the world, and so many people killing each other in their respective names of their fake Gods. It's because little men who have tremendous wealth and power, use these true believers to do the deeds that any God fearing man would be ashamed to do. Nobody straps on a bombvest and wipes out innocent people in the name of their god without lies being told to them. Just like God, or Jesus doesn't talk to the political leaders of the world saying they have to nuke the middle east for Jesus. God has bigger fish to fry in the cosmos to be concerned over a piece of dirt in the Middle East. If he doesn't, then he's a very small God indeed.
| What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#15. To: alpowolf (#8)
exactly, it seems you weren't targeted in the grand deception either
Amen. It's been a while since I've read it (not being Christian myself) but I recall a passage where Jesus explains that no man will be able to foretell when His return will take place; like a thief in the night or some such. He spoke of a sinful generation seeking signs; maybe He had Hagee and his crew in mind?
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#16. To: robin (#15)
Jesus isn't coming back the way the bible tells it. Not at all, not a chance, because the Bible has become a joke in our time. I look at the bible and think what a brilliant way to get people to fall in lockstep behind an ideology and a cult of doom. Jesus wasn't about death, destruction and impending doom, his life and teachings were about a hell of a lot more than controls and wealth accumulation. When he comes back, it won't be the way the bible tells you, it will be something far more interesting.
| What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#17. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#16)
When he comes back, it won't be the way the bible tells you, it will be something far more interesting. I agree in that what is written about the end times in the Bible is obscure (and obviously meant to be). Jesus did encourage us to stay ready, but of course, He was referring to our spiritual readiness; not "ready" to see how many missiles and bombs we can fire and drop on civilians. And then cheer about it like Pat Robertson.
Jesus wasn't about death, destruction and impending doom, his life and teachings were about a hell of a lot more than controls and wealth accumulation.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#18. To: honway (#2)
He should ask the question, would Jesus drop incendiary chemical weapons on children? you are forgetting the first rule of political christianity: the more you talk about jesus, the less you have to act like him.
He should take a break from waving the Bible in the air and spend the time reading the words of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
#19. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#16) (Edited)
When he comes back, it won't be the way the bible tells you, it will be something far more interesting. You may not be a Christian, but you certainly are enlightened. :) Which is more than I can say for the false prophets getting fat and rich off the donations and who orgasm over bloodlust.
Jesus wasn't about death, destruction and impending doom, his life and teachings were about a hell of a lot more than controls and wealth accumulation.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life."
-OBL
"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William Kingdon Clifford
#20. To: Brian S (#0)
With that, I will agree. Rev 20:7 ¶ And when "the thousand years" [symbolic: one day to the Lord is like a thousand years] are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, [He's out and about. Any doubt?] Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20:11 ¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works...... http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev020.html#7 Count Hagee and his followers among the deceived. II Peter 2:22. The "beloved city" is not in the Middle East.
"The end of the world as we know it is rapidly approaching."
#21. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#16)
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
I look at the bible and think what a brilliant way to get people to fall in lockstep behind an ideology and a cult of doom.
Let's give Mel a Mega-Phone, a Bottle of Tequila, and a 50 Cal.
#22. To: aristeides (#1)
At least that's what Old Testament morality would suggest. I'm not sure the God of the New Testament would be capable of doing such a thing. I think you were right the first time. Jesus IS the God of the Old Testament http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Isa/9/6.html Hbr 13:8 — Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Hbr/13/8.html Luk 19:27 — But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me. http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Luk/19/27.html The Wars of The Jews - The History of the Destruction of Jerusalem - Written in A.D. 74/75 God may indeed be at work in Israel, hardening the hearts of the leaders of that country (as well as this country,) in preparation for sending plagues and destruction against the evildoers.
#23. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#16)
1Cr 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Not at all, not a chance, because the Bible has become a joke in our time.
Let's give Mel a Mega-Phone, a Bottle of Tequila, and a 50 Cal.
#24. To: noone222 (#23)
That's one of my favorites. As bad as things are, I often "see" Him at work doing just that.
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