4um: 'Airlines terror plot' disrupted

Title: 'Airlines terror plot' disrupted
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4778575.stm
Published: Aug 10, 2006
Author: BBC
Post Date: 2006-08-10 08:48:49 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 1206
Comments: 137

A plot to blow up planes in flight from the UK to the US and commit "mass murder on an unimaginable scale" has been disrupted, Scotland Yard has said. It is thought the plan was to detonate explosive devices smuggled in hand luggage on to as many as 10 aircraft.

The "plot" was that they would carry liquids aboard, mix them in flight, then detonate them.

It's a good thing he's 30-something. Once one becomes AARP eligible, arteries and veins tend to blow when high pressure is introduced. .

I've said it before, but, to me, America as I thought I knew it, was murdered in Dealey Plaza.

That day in November is imprinted in my circuitry. I was in HS in what now seems like a different country.

MSM rarely mentions that Oswald tried to assassinate General Edward Walker and got away with it.

Interviews on the local news with pasengers at DFW. One lady said "I'd rather give up my things [freedom] than have something happen."

"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life."
-OBL
"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William Kingdon Clifford

I was a sophmore, returning from lunch at a local mom & pop 'burger joint, with Rose, Camille, and Susan in my '50 Merc when the news broke on the rock&roll AM radio station from Dallas - forty miles away.

That day and 9.11, in my life-time, are some of the satanists biggest hits; and they could very well top that in the near future.

I think that you're correct on the weeding out process that has gone on. Over the past 15 years, there have been many places that potential guerilla (I'll use that as a catch-all term) leaders could have gone to train, between the former Yugoslavia, Chechnya (1994 and 1999-and they would learn a lot more 1999-present) Afghanistan and Iraq, plus the Israeli-Lebanon thing for 20 years. In all those places the state forces have used slightly different tactics, so if a leader was in two of them for a good length of time, they would gather a tremendous wealth of knowledge of what works.

There's been Chechens captured in Afghanistan by the US, and the Chechen websites have indicated sometimes that there are Chechen forces fighting all over hell to breakfast, so I don't think that it's too fare beyond the pale to believe that the current Hezbollah leadership hasn't experienced at least a few other places. If said leader fought against the Russians they would find out what worked against brute force applied liberally, and then if they also fought us in Iraq, they'd find out what works against technology and brute force applied liberally.

I've read most about Chechnya, and the tactics by the insurgency against us in Iraq (though Chechens are never insurgents or terrorists and Iraqis are never freedom fighters according to our official and press releases) and the Chechens have always been tenacious, creative and innovative in the way they do their operations. An interesting thing is that it appears that their operations performed a weeding out of sorts in the Russian Army, which has caused it to get more effective and seemingly to learn some lessons on what works and what doesn't, which is why Chechnya is a much more calm place than Iraq is right now. If Hezbollah has some leaders like Basayev in Lebanon, they would be a formidable force to deal with.

I'm also curious to know if the IDF has become a technology dependent force like we have, where initiative and creative thinking are strongly disuaded. I think that this is not the same IDF of a generation ago. Not actually engaging in actions such as they are created a mystique of invincibility that is now gone (so is ours). Their initial dependence on airpower alone (paging Gen Douhet yet again) which hasn't really been effective as a war stopper even though it's been tried nearly every conflict since 1920 (sure, the Luftwaffe can destroy the British at Dunkirk on their own) seems to indicate that they bought into the defense contractor's sales pitches about the effectiveness of the weapons they were buying.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

Poor thing prolly thought she was talking about her bomber-hair gel, and other terrier items, but - you're correct, it's our FREEDOM that is being stolen from us day by wretched day.

Unfortunately I think you're right, JT, and I'm not sure what Americans are going to do at that point. I think all we can do is tell our loved ones and try to plan for survival. I figure if we can get through the next 2 years, and then get rid of the Commander-in-Chimp, maybe things will simmuh down to a dull roar.

Unless you're crazy enough to play the nuke card, bombing has never proven to be the way to go.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Yep - yet Condelusional, and others, are on record saying, "We had no idea that "they" might hijack planes and fly them into buildings."

Once it heals then if you open vitamin E gel caps and rub the stuff on it, the incision will all but disappear over time. In fact, the external scar can be "disappeared" before the internal scar tissue is completely healed.

(You'll get ghost pains there for possibly two years, so don't let unexpected pains alarm you. It's only scar tissue talking to you.)

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

I figure they'll have to angle it as "it's the internet's fault, too easy to plan terror strikes"...The net will have to go first. Today's hysteria is probably one of the ramp-ups.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Almost every organization, entity, and individual in the world now uses the web for whatever their situation calls for doing...for example: we're chatting here, I've checked some bank accounts, the price of gold and silver, the weather up in Iowa, ordered some books and tapes to give away, and on and on.

If so, are they any more genius appearing than the housing project, aspirational southern bapist/muslim bombers?

It may just be specific clamp-downs on all the eeeevil blogs and forums that will have been proven to be the eeeevil conduit that enabled the eeeeevil t'rrists.

Recently Al Manar was difficult to find, it was blocked by some cable companies.

I noticed Time Warner has bought out Comcast and Adelphia, the 2 major providers in my area. This consolidation will aid in the necessary blocking.

And with Google, etc. saving all kinds of data, decisions and repercussions could be meted out to certain "Poster Childs", to be made an example of in order to deter any other would be eeeevil bloggers.

Not that long ago, http://crpytome.org was harassed and shut down for a day or two by the Feds.

Islamic terrorism spreads via Internet

Jerusalem Post

09-30-2005

Headline: Islamic terrorism spreads via Internet
Byline: JUDY SIEGEL and TALYA HALKIN
Edition; Daily
Section: News
Page: 06

Friday, September 30, 2005 -- Islamic terrorism is being promoted by a phenomenal growth in jihadist Web sites, which have grown from fewer than 20 five years ago to more than 4,000 today, according to French and US researchers writing correspondence published in the September 29 issue of the prestigious journal Nature.

Dr. Scott Atran of the Jean Nicod Institute in France and the University of Michigan and Dr. Jessica Stern of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University concluded that, due to the increasing role played by the Internet in the spread of terrorism, efforts should foster alternative peer groups in cities and cyberspace showing the same commitment and compassion towards their own members as terror groups seem to offer, but in life- enhancing ways.

"It is fair to say global Islamic jihad wouldn't exist without the Internet," said Yael Shahar, a researcher who specializes in the study of cyber-terrorism at the Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya. "Today, the structure of the Web is the structure of terrorist organizations. Without it, they would be reduced to local cells."

Al-Qaida, Shahar said in an interview with The Jerusalem Post, set the model for Web-based terrorist organizations that have no specific geographical location and for whom cyberspace has essentially replaced the need for state sponsorship, state-based espionage agencies and other forms of support. The Internet, according to Shahar, allows terrorist organizations to function like major corporations who do business in the global village online using workers from different countries and which grow by mergers.

"Suppose you are a small organization in Turkey concerned with regional jihad," Shahar said. "Along comes al-Qaida, and says 'We know you're not doing so well, but we'll help you build bombs and send you a suicide bomber or two if you sign on to global jihad.'"

Shahar said that the use of the Internet for global terror unfolds in four fundamental ways. Cyberspace is a platform for propaganda and incitement aimed both at the enemy and at existing and potential supporters. Often, on- line propaganda may send a double message - one directed at the Western world and a second, more violent message, written in Arabic. It exploits the vulnerability of the democratic communications revolution. "Beheading videos [are] not aimed at people in totalitarian regimes who can't do anything about it," she said, explaining they are aimed at a democracy where enough of those videos may cause people to ask why their soldiers are fighting a war.

In addition, the Internet is a source of recruiting potential jihadists in both closed and open Internet forums. Command and control to carry out attacks, coordinate cells, send user manuals, and select targets is also done via the Web along with more administrative functions such as fundraising. "At the forefront of global jihad are technologically savvy, Western-educated terrorists," Shahar said.

"The problem is that counterterrorism agencies and jihadists are not on the same wavelength. We need to be using the same means as the terrorists, with the same kind of freedom, and that is not going to happen very soon," Shahar said, because counterterrorism agencies are still hierarchical, and are not exchanging information in real time for political, economic, and technological reasons. In addition, there is a strong resistance to change and various structural problems.

"We're already in the middle of a Third World War, in which the Internet is the means used by both sides to get their messages across," Shahar said. "Unfortunately, the West isn't doing so well."

Like Atran and Stern, Shahar advocates the creation of a network of researchers that will use their its methods to recruit supporters of counterterrorism.

"We need to find out what works for them and use it against them," Shahar said.

This would certainly be the most logical way of controlling "undesirable" sites or individuals - but, we're still dealing with crazy people.

"It is ~~fair~~ completely insane to say global Islamic jihad wouldn't exist without the Internet," said Yael Shahar, a researcher who specializes in the study of cyber-terrorism at the Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya.

Yael, get a clue, read a little history, the Imams called for holy jihad then, and they do now, when there is a reason. Actually, there hasn't been a true call for Holy Jihad in a long time. Believe me Yael, you really don't want them to.

Also of note is that August 22 of this year corresponds with the Islamic date of Rajab 28, the day Saladin conquered and entered Jerusalem.

Taken in conjunction with Ahmadinejad’s stated desire to see Israel destroyed, it hardly seems a coincidence.

You ask why? Haven't you been following world affairs.......Sore Loserman loses on Tuesday, dickhead announces on wednesday that this is encouragement to the terrorists, and now on thursday.....VIOLA!

Damned...somebody screwed up big time--how come they were in the uk and not in the usa, or notably in connecticut! Now that is the question....

You really have to question their 'smarts' when they, as supposed guerrilla warrior revolutionaries want uniforms in order to do the job!

Secondly, HOUNDDAWG, I'm sure glad you told us your experiences from a daddy's perspective cause it sounded good enough to be from a mommy's perspective!

Aloe Vera is great for scars, too. My daughter, when in college, had a really bad burn on the inside of her wrist from a restaurant accident. Very raw, ugly. Doctors didn't want anything on it.......but she used Aloe Vera, and you can't see the dang thing.

Yep - it would be most interesting to know who calls the shot on where these "incidents" occur, and why the countries are chosen...