exactly. until they come to the realization that they're just delusional pack animals carrying the water for their wonton masters, engaging them in their totemic phantasm only spurs them further down the same mis-guided path. no one's going to change their mind by force, and considering the group in question, they'll have to be overwhelmingly repulsed by what they've become. the sad part is, that by that time, it'll probably be too late.