"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life." -OBL "Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded." - Lincoln All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land. --William Kingdon Clifford
These people are the 29% who still support Bush. Notice how little substance there is too them. If you take away their bigoted blind hatred and seething rage, there is nothing left.
The neocons have very effectively tapped into the evil and ugly side of many intinsically unhappy people and given them "permission" to act out their rage. I suspect that many of them are life's losers and misfits who have just been looking for an opportunity to blame others for their personal failings. God hasn't answered your prayers for a better job and a new car. Well hell, maybe you just aren't killing enough unbelievers. These are some real sickos so don't look for anything near a rational explanation outside of abnormal psychology studies. Not exactly a group of thinkers.
These people are the 29% who still support Bush. Notice how little substance there is too them. If you take away their bigoted blind hatred and seething rage, there is nothing left.
They take after their Fuhrer and his stormtroopers.
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life." -OBL "Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded." - Lincoln All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land. --William Kingdon Clifford
there seems to be a hate-cult towards Cindy Sheehan. it's incredible. As I said on another thread I received an e-mail at work just savaging her. said she was a bad mother and a bad wife. second divorce. made lots of money off of her son's death. incredible. I should've e-mailed it home just so I could post it here.
pmlol! has RimJobedict Arnold been using that, too? haven't been there to see, i bugged outta' FRmageddon about four years ago and haven't looked back, aside from the occasional link that makes me lose my lunch.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783
It's amazing how the BOTS demand moral perfection of anyone who criticize TheStateInc or their compromised herd mentality, which they know is impossible [especially when it comes to the bloodthirsty Constitution repudiating BOTS themselves!]
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life." -OBL "Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded." - Lincoln All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land. --William Kingdon Clifford
there seems to be a hate-cult towards Cindy Sheehan. it's incredible. As I said on another thread I received an e-mail at work just savaging her. said she was a bad mother and a bad wife. second divorce. made lots of money off of her son's death. incredible. I should've e-mailed it home just so I could post it here.
I like being in the GOP line-of-fire, but basically I'm a boring old fart that values fun. Republicans aren't fun anymore.
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life." -OBL "Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded." - Lincoln All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land. --William Kingdon Clifford
and with this crutch, its old age, and its wisdom it whispers no, this will be the last.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783
yeah, wish they would've posted the whole thing. too bad no one's posted the Shea Stadium concert from '71. but there is a DVD coming out tuesday tho.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783
#43. To: omerta, christine, loner, lodwick, all (#15)(Edited)
until they come to the realization that they're just delusional pack animals carrying the water for their wonton masters, engaging them in their totemic phantasm only spurs them further down the same mis-guided path. no one's going to change their mind by force, and considering the group in question, they'll have to be overwhelmingly repulsed by what they've become. the sad part is, that by that time, it'll probably be too late.
My oldest son found this out the hard way. He's only 13 and is so intelligent and altruistic. He never needed to take any queues from me on his independent and pro-Constitution beliefs. He spoke out to his "christian" friends at his "christian" school who responded with all of the hate and vigor of the BOTS on LP. He is now labelled a "liberal" [which is as far from the truth as you can get] and an "America hater."
It's obvious what these kid's parents are isn't it....
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life." -OBL "Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded." - Lincoln All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land. --William Kingdon Clifford
sounds like a fine son you have there, Indie. it's probably better that he finds out now to choose his friends wisely. he should tell the little statists-in-training to at least get it right, it's Classical Liberal! maybe one or two of them will even bother to find out what it means and end up changing their tune. ;)
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783
he should tell the little statists-in-training to at least get it right, it's Classical Liberal! maybe one or two of them will even bother to find out what it means and end up changing their tune.
Correct, and excellent point...a word that has come to connote the polar opposite of it's original meaning.
your son is welcome....have him join, Indie, it would be neat to have his participation and fun for us to get an intelligent and inquisitive teenager's point of view.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison
typical bot tactic....one particular poster has used that one on us here with every single post. you know who i mean, Indie. ;)
From Wikipedia: (sounds good to me!)
Classical liberalism is a political philosophy that supports individual rights as pre-existing the state, a government that exists to protect those moral rights, ensured by a constitution that protects individual autonomy from other individuals and governmental power, private property, and a laissez-faire economic policy.
Many elements of this ideology developed in the 17th and 18th centuries, and it often seen as being the natural ideology of the industrial revolution and its subsequent capitalist system. The early liberal figures that libertarians now describe as their fellow "classical liberals" rejected many foundational assumptions which dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, and established religion, and focuses on individual freedom, reason, justice and tolerance.[2]. Such thinkers and their ideas helped to inspire the American Revolution and French Revolution.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783
A lot of the folks on that thread want her dead. It is amusing to watch, too; not the anger but more about the lack of principle; sometimes, I catch a good thread to see why America is all fucked-upped. This LP thread exemplifies my perspective. As a nation, we are screwed when party is above principle.
I actually don't care for Cindy Sheehan's political statements. She is a recent media whore exploiting her sad situation within the Democratic Party. Her best Bo is Jesse Jackson, whom I don't care for on any issue particularly because I don't understand his slurred speeches or underhanded methods of business bribery.
But, I don't want anyone dead because they voiced their sincere opinion. That goes beyond the pale.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783
Watch the video in my post #51, the males in the truck remind me of El Pee posters. I admire Cindy and appreciate her willingness to spearhead the issues involving Bush's illegal and immoral wars. It is an interesting exercise in lame thinking to assume she does it for her own advancement, but those who advance that spin have lost touch with what is spin and real a long time ago anyway.
I look at El Pee from time to time and I am actually sad it did not turn into a free speech site where all views are welcome and allowed. But Goldi made a series of choices and there you have it; FReeper lite lives at a site where Goldi lives to receive strokes and admiration for her myopic and convoluted thinking.
She is like the Cindy you describe, and it is high comedy to see how this is so, yet people there blast a good woman who is nothing like her. Then suck up to a creep who actually is when they brown their nose in Goldi's butt.
Goldi is not fit to lick the toe jam from Cindy Sheenan's feet, sorry about that dumb bitch's bad luck ;-D
he should tell the little statists-in-training to at least get it right, it's Classical Liberal! maybe one or two of them will even bother to find out what it means and end up changing their tune. ;)
Thanks both of you for the welcome! Thanks also for the advice and the definiton of Classical Liberalism. I hope to learn a lot more about whats going on in the world through this site. (not that I'm exactly totally ignorant) LOL
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." --Theodore Roosevelt "Today it is becoming harder to speak out, with the inception of the Patriot Act, the president has legislated free speech to be a crime." --Frank Serpico
I admire Cindy and appreciate her willingness to spearhead the issues involving Bush's illegal and immoral wars. It is an interesting exercise in lame thinking to assume she does it for her own advancement, but those who advance that spin have lost touch with what is spin and real a long time ago anyway.
I admire Cindy,too, for doing something constructive with her pain and her sense of loss - to warn others about what the ME wars are all about - Israel's security, military industry profits, controlling the flow of oil. Everyone else is either too stupid or too scared to tell the truth, but in Cindy's case , like Janis Joplin's song, for her there's nothing left to lose. I have been told that the absolute worst thing that can happen to a grown person is to outlive one's child. I give her credit for trying to make lemonade out of sour lemons - trying to save other young persons' lives, trying to save the pain of parents losing their child over a senseless wars borne of tribalism and greed.
She probably lies awake at night blaming herself for letting Casey join the military in the first place - she's a good Catholic and Catholics knock themselves out with guilt...if only I had stopped him, why did I let him go, it's my fault he had this idealism about fighting for his country.
I don't see how any one can consider Cindy a "media whore." For pity's sake, the lady needs to get the word out so she needs to align herself with someone/a group... I don't think she's beloved by the Democrats - check the daily kos...they criticize her because she has dared to diss "Precious" interfering in our country's foreign policy - shame on you, Cindy, you ugly anti-semite!- so she drifts to anyone who will give her a platform - Hugo Chavez, Jesse Jackson - she is driven to get the word out to avenge the death of her son. I do not begrudge her keeping company with anyone as long as that person helps her tell her story so others may learn.
That LP or FR call her down...good for Cindy...it means her message has been heard and has struck a nerve. When one of those computer commandos pony up a needless painful sacrifice of their child on the altar of Israel's security or Haliburton/Bechtel's bottom lines, then I'll listen to them, too. Until then, they can stick their frenzied hatred of Cindy where the sun don't shine.
Welcome! Hope you like it here. I'd been on hiatus for about a year and a half and just got back on here in the last couple weeks so, don't mind me if i'm a little slow. hehehe.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783
Most of those "christian" schools are founded and mantained by RAPTURE MONKIES. You are better off with home schooling if you have the werewithal to do it.
He spoke out to his "christian" friends at his "christian" school who responded with all of the hate and vigor of the BOTS on LP.
Forget about "Christian" schools. That's Protestant with a very great likelihood of fundie influence and finacial underpinings.
If you can afford it, go private non-denominational - you can impart your religious values at home and your kid will not be brain washed with religious values of others.
If you cannot afford it, then I'd recommend Catholic parochial schools - they often have small quotas for non-Catholics.