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Title: New Evidence suggests 'hijackers' had no plans to die
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Loose Change Forum/NTSB reports
URL Source: http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_C ... orum/index.php?showtopic=10429
Published: Aug 13, 2006
Author: valis
Post Date: 2006-08-13 07:00:03 by valis
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Keywords: hijackers, return, airport
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Comments: 34
New evidence, albeit government evidence, suggests that there were indeed 'hijackers' (or someone playing hijackers)... that had no plans to die on 9/11. I bet they were a bit surprised ...to say the least. Of course, the government conspiracy theorists will say that manipulating his own agents was part of Tim Osman's master cave-hatched plan.
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NTSB report, Air Traffic Control Recording-United Airlines Flight 93, Dec. 21, 2001"We will go back to the airport and have our demands so please remain quiet"
NTSB report, Air Traffic Control Recording-American Airlines Flight 11, Dec. 21, 2001"Nobody move please we are going back to the airport don't try to make any stupid moves"
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#1. To: All, *ARG List* (#0)
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"Debunking 'Caveman' conspiracy theories since 2002" Um, what hijackers? Lewin and Avraham?
Good question. "Let's discuss the 9/11 hijackers" "Or were there hijackers?" - A rebuttal "Debunking 'Caveman' conspiracy theories since 2002" There were no hijackers. These tapes are mere disinfo samples for the gullible public.
God is always good! "Let's discuss the 9/11 hijackers" If you want to discuss it then do so here, stop trying to hijack people to your site.
God is always good! I have remained on the forum for a couple of years now, despite abrasivnesss to any and all the work from Scholars for 9/11 Truth that I have tried to share with those on this forum. I guess that will now change. I hope the collective gatekeepers here do not take this as a sign of victory, but simply as a sign that my resources are being wasted here.
"Debunking 'Caveman' conspiracy theories since 2002" collective gatekeepers?????? I would like a list of these posters here.
I truely believe that the crew and limited passengers thought they were part of a fake/government terror drill, and the hijackers were part of the same war game/drill. Mark
Would you like some cheese to go with that wine? Gatekeepers? Say what you have to say and quit asking for permission or protection, you know the drill. Carry on........or not.
I like your site and the work you have done along with posting all evidence and all theroies about 911. There is alot that I don't buy into, and I'm not going tell someone not to post about them. Some of the stuff going around is just garbage. The Loose Change forums have the most credible info overall going. Most there won't go into fission bombs and other stuff. Their final cut will disappoint a bunch because it won't go into nuclear devices, pods, naplam, lasers, detonation engines etc.. Mark
This is not a stand alone 911 site. While it is discussed here, and almost all are on board about government involvement, it isn't the main topic. I come here to read about other topics that the members here focus on that I don't, and there are some true expert researchers on other subjects. My main reading is on 911, but I like to keep abreast of the ME, NAU, the war, zionism, the NWO, the economy, and other national and global issues. But, make no mistake, if you are not happy here, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Mark
Valis? collective gatekeepers? I have no idea who and what you're talking about. Please cite names and posts! We have Scholars for Truth (as well as Awoken) linked in our Associates category! Kamala, Arator, Freedom William, and I went to the 911 Symposium where Jim Fetzer and Stephen Jones were keynote speakers in June, for pete's sake! We have posted vast amounts of information ourselves from their site, http://ST911.org. We have enormous respect for them on Freedom4um. I'm stunned, really, that this is your point of view.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison and here it is, folks! Um...valis, this is F4, not LP or FR. Most posters here are awake to 9-11 truth, regard Scholars for 9-11 Truth as the heroic tip of the spear of the 9- 11 Truth movement and have high regard for you, your posts and your website. So, who (or what) are you talking about? Please clarify your seeming slur against the posters of this forum.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Oh, I just noticed RickyJ's nasty post to you about not linking to your site. As far as I know, RickyJ only speaks for RickyJ. I don't know what his problem is, but it has nothing to do with F4 or the rest of the posters here.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
If you want to discuss it then do so here, stop trying to hijack people to your site. At least make an effort to cut and paste a few pertinent quotes from the material. Many of us are too busy to read the volumes which are associated with this subject. When there is a whole article, many of us will critique it. You know this is true as I've hit on one of your most recent posts as being disinfo. Even some of those who have "credentials" are not excepted from the possibility of being moles sent to distract and disrupt. We've seen it countless times since the money power corrupts to the bone. BTW, if I had a site like yours, I would promote it myself. But it takes some planning and you have to stroke folks a little to get them to click into any site. I see countless times where dozens of links are posted (not necessarily yours) with no editorial conmment whatsoever. I usually do not bother with such posts and at most I might click on one of the links to see if it is real or BS.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
"Nobody move please we are going back to the airport don't try to make any stupid moves" Of course, the government conspiracy theorists will say that manipulating his own agents was part of Tim Osman's master cave-hatched plan. This is intersting only for the fact that it seems the 7/7 bombers may have been fooled into becoming "martyrs". This is not so surprising a tactic considering that many Iraqi men who have been recruited for the Iraqi police were trained on how to drive a car. Then they were told to go to a certain location (driving the car which has been given to them) to observe people at that location who were supposedly under suspicion of being involved with "insurgents". They were given cell phones and told to call in upon their arrival at the location. On at least a few occasions, when the recruit had arrived at the location (near a market or whatever) and tried to call in but got no cell signal. The recruit then exits the car and walks down the street until they got a signal (or as one did, used a pay phone to call). As soon as the call was answered and the recruit stated, "Alright, I'm here. What do you want me to do next," the car they had driven there exploded. So, you see this is not as simple as it may seem. There is a very precise plot being followed to foment the events we see. And the compliant and controlled press follows along and leads people in the direction they are to be led. Without the money power, none of this would be possible. This is the subject we should be discussing, and not if some freaks put rocket engines in elevator shafts.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
hey, Ricky, valis isn't trying to hijack. actually, he and we are linked to each other's websites. if you'll notice, ARG is listed as an ASSOCIATE and valis uses Freedom4um as his forum of choice so we've a partnership of sorts. he and his site are a valued resource.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison and here it is, folks! Abrassiveness? Yes. Worth my time here? No. http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=31574 "This is just a BS distraction." "Yep sure is. BTW, this is not the first time Valis has posted such BS. I highly suspect he/she is a disinfo agent." And on and on and on - Best of luck
"Debunking 'Caveman' conspiracy theories since 2002" http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=31574 A little discussion and criticism (mostly from one poster) and you flee? Not very reasonable.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers BULLSEYE!
I propose that in the interest of fairness we draw and quarter RickyJ and rename the site http://valis'sFreedom4um.com in an attempt to woo him back.
There was only one "abrasive" post by one poster. The rest were honest critiques and not personal attacks. I would put the one poster you don't like on bozo and continue here. I've slipped and been much harsher than I meant to be a couple times, one of which was a post to 82marine89...for which I now apologize. I doubt rickyj meant it, and he could have been just on edge as we all are over the events in the world today and the dictator in office removing our freedoms. By saying that rocket engines in elevators and nukes in the basement makes our movement look foolish, nobody is attacking you personally, just the authors of that probable diversionary "disinformation." We all know 9-11 was a setup, and a 13 year old kid can see it was controlled demolition, which could have only been planned in advance with foreknowledge of the plot. We are not your enemy. I recommend you stay with us. There is not a better group of folks on the net than here on 4UM. If you want "abrasive," try BotCentral I or Botcentral II. I just hope this forum remains free of BOTS and doesn't degenerate into a cesspool of clowns and bozos like LP and FRaud have. I would also post at least excerps from articles and not just a string of links as another poster suggested. You can source your article/excerp with the link, but post something to read here. That is not a personal attack. That is a constructive suggestion aimed at helping you get your info out.
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life." Ping to my apology marine for my unwarranted and unprovoked ad hominem of a week ago or so.
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life." you crazy guy. lol.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison and here it is, folks! what a sweetie you are. thanks for your kind words.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison and here it is, folks! Whaaaat, I'm serious.
Not likely since this forum didn't even start until January 2005. When you post far out material that clearly looks like disinfo material expect people to speak up, don't you care about the truth? That David Hawkins guy with his missiles in the elevator shafts theory was just too much. If you are trying to get people to believe theories that clearly are trying to discredit the 9/11 truth movement then yes I would definitely hope your resources are being wasted here. If you are not doing that, but instead are naively posting such material then why do you think your resources are being wasted here if you are being alerted to possible disinfo material? You do know there is plenty of disinfo material out there about 9/11, right? So why do you take it so personal when people point out they think an article is such material. Look, I don't know anything about you except what you have posted on LF and now here and a few other 9/11 forums that I have visited. Honestly from what I have read about theories you seem to be promoting leads me to not trust you as a genuine 9/11 truther. That's why I wanted to discuss the article here, I don't really trust you to have my IP address. Sorry if that offends you. I trust Christine and Zipporah, I could be wrong in doing so, but they have never given me a reason not to trust them.
God is always good! Sorry about giving you up. I guess you'll have to take one for the team. Now lay still while I go get a rope.
Yeah I know, I am probably overly paranoid, but the people who did 9/11 and are creating and distributing disinfo material to cover it up are dead serious about their objectives.
God is always good! Accepted and sorry to see you leave LP.
You are here as well?
Great work on your website. Your participation here is appreciated. Referencing the information on your website concerning the Dulles video of the bearded man in black, the only source that has ever suggested publicly that the man in black was Hani Hanjour was the Associated Press. I don't know if that was incompetence or intentional disinformation on the part of John Solomon and the Associated Press;however, neither the 9/11 Commission or any representative of the Bush Administration has ever made the claim publicly that the man in black was Hani Hanjour. The only version of the Dulles video that I am aware of that shows the man the government claims was Hani Hanjour was broadcast on NBC. I will post a link to that video in my next reply. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=103573
Click here to see the Dulles security video that shows the man the 9/11 Commission claims was Hani Hanjour More on this at the thread below.
The LA Times identified the man with Hanjour at the ATM as Moqed. Below is the FBI's photo of Moqed.
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#2. To: valis (#0)
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#3. To: Eoghan (#2)
Um, what hijackers?
http://valis.cjb.cc/hijackers.html
http://valis.cjb.cc/hijackers4.html
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#4. To: Eoghan (#2)
Um, what hijackers? Lewin and Avraham?
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#5. To: valis (#3)
Good question.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#6. To: RickyJ (#5)
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#7. To: valis (#6)
abrasivnesss??????
#8. To: valis (#3)
#9. To: valis (#6)
I hope the collective gatekeepers here do not take this as a sign of victory, but simply as a sign that my resources are being wasted here.
#10. To: valis (#6)
#11. To: valis (#6)
#12. To: valis (#6)
#13. To: valis (#6)
I have remained on the forum for a couple of years now, despite abrasivnesss to any and all the work from Scholars for 9/11 Truth that I have tried to share with those on this forum.
#14. To: valis, RickyJ (#6)
#15. To: RickyJ, valis, christine (#5)
"Let's discuss the 9/11 hijackers"
#16. To: valis (#0)
(Edited)
"We will go back to the airport and have our demands so please remain quiet"
#17. To: RickyJ, valis (#5)
#18. To: all (#17)
(Edited)
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#19. To: valis (#18)
#20. To: BTP Holdings (#16)
This is the subject we should be discussing, and not if some freaks put rocket engines in elevator shafts.
#21. To: christine, all (#17)
#22. To: valis, christine, all, kamala, btp holdings, rickyj, 82marine89 (#18)
(Edited)
Abrassiveness? Yes. Worth my time here? No.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
-OBL
"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William Kingdon Clifford
#23. To: 82marine89, christine (#22)
PING #22
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
-OBL
"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William Kingdon Clifford
#24. To: Hmmmmm (#21)
#25. To: IndieTX (#22)
#26. To: christine (#24)
you crazy guy.
#27. To: valis, christine (#6)
I have remained on the forum for a couple of years now,
despite abrasivnesss to any and all the work from Scholars for 9/11 Truth that I have tried to share with those on this forum.
I guess that will now change. I hope the collective gatekeepers here do not take this as a sign of victory, but simply as a sign that my resources are being wasted here.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#28. To: RickyJ (#27)
#29. To: Hmmmmm (#28)
Sorry about giving you up. I guess you'll have to take one for the team. Now lay still while I go get a rope.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#30. To: IndieTX (#22)
I've slipped and been much harsher than I meant to be a couple times, one of which was a post to 82marine89...for which I now apologize.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#31. To: valis (#3)
#32. To: valis (#3)
#33. To: valis (#3)
#34. To: valis (#3)
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