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Title: Liz Michael on Abortion
Source: http://www.lizmichael.com/
URL Source: http://www.lizmichael.com/abortion.htm
Published: Aug 15, 2006
Author: Liz Michael
Post Date: 2006-08-15 16:42:59 by wakeup
Keywords: None
Views: 929
Comments: 40

I fully recognize two sets of conflicting rights on the abortion issue. I believe strenuously in the right of a woman to control her own body. And I also believe strenuously in an unborn child's right to life.

I fully reject the concept that a fetus is not a human being. A fetus is scientifically a human being because it carries the human genome, it is alive, and it possesses all necessary cells needed to mature to adulthood under natural conditions. It is not a part of the woman's body: it resides inside a woman's body. These things are made quite evident via ultrasound and photography. From the moment of conception, an embryo is scientifically a being of the human specie, and therefore a human being. To willfully engage in an act which destroys that human being, regardless of what the law is or should be, is morally, murder unless there are compelling reasons. It is the same as killing a grown person or a child in cold blood...

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I am not looking for debate but, from time to time, certain positions on issues need to be re-stated, especially when that life or death issue involves those who have no voice. I offer Liz Michael's argument because she has great credibility and respect among many I respect.

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#1. To: wakeup (#0) (Edited)

I am not looking for debate

i humbly beg to differ...Liz Michael offers a trite, simplistic and utterly naive argument.

shall i post pictures of women who died attempting back street abortions? or perhaps of women who killed themselves because they were pregnant? or shall we debate the righteous fascism of some lawmakers who see the pregnant female as a sub-human who loses her rights while she hosts the growth of another person? and shall we argue the finer points of the legal nonsense where the active termination of an unborn child is equated with the murder of a human who has lived to term?

why does she stop at the point of conception with her definition of viable life comprising the human genome (sperm and ova don't???) and "all necessary cells needed to mature to adulthood under natural conditions" well, gosh i thought it was only ONE fertilised egg cell or is she saying there has to be more differential cells before it is "alive"?

if a man ejaculates into a condom instead of impregnating his semen into a womb, has he not just destroyed a chance for the creation of a new human being? if a woman uses contraception, hasn't she just denied a chance for life? if she is anorexic or bulemic or smokes or drinks or uses drugs or goes horse riding or jogs or dances or anything else that might risk abortion or limit conception, is she guilty of murder? will she end up in Death Row?

i'm taking her arguments to their logical extreme - no contraception, no masturbation, only insemination and no intervention prior to term...abstinence or unprotected sex - and even abstinence itself may be a willful act of non- conception, i.e. the denial of potential life. of course i am being silly now but i wanted to demonstrate how stupid an absolutist argument can become!

ah yes, but we have to be sensible, pragmatic, and she did mention "compelling reasons", didn't she?

hmm..."compelling reasons" - who decides what these reasons should be - incest? rape? underage sex? cancer? genetic defects? or what about intelligence, sex of the baby, attractiveness, economic constraints, colour of skin, or the moral/ social suitability of the parent(s)?

and WHO exactly gets to decide whether and when a child should be aborted anyway? a judge? a jury? how quickly will they decide? or is it going to be a list of reasons embodied in law?

who is going to do this compelling anyway - are the police going to arrest and detain pregnant women? even if there was a "compelling reason" to abort, her use of the term "compelling" has a sinister side as it allows for the situation where a woman could be made to have an abortion EVEN IF SHE WANTS TO KEEP THE BABY. am i being silly again? i think not. look at societies where girl foetuses are aborted as undersirable. it depends on what people mean by a reason and how it is compelled.

so i reject her stupid, rash attempt to impose her illogical, unreasoned views on others. she might have some smart ideas in other areas but in this area she is dangerously wrong.

i firmly believe that the decision to keep or abort a foetus resides solely with the mother and that it is not the business of government or anyone else to interfere in a woman's right to carry or reject her pregnancy at any stage before birth.

ohh i know this is going to enrage the righteous, the control freaks and those who clamour for the rights of the father. tough - its MY womb and all the man contributes at that first stage is his sperm. after he withdraws his penis, he has no further say in what happens...unless and until the child is born. harsh, perhaps but that's the way nature works. deal with it.

for what its worth, i've just given birth to a lovely, beautiful baby and share the joy and wonder of his creation with his father, my husband :) i do not regret for ONE MOMENT carrying him and helping him become a viable human infant.

it doesn't, however, mean that i've lost my brain and my ability to spot a false argument when i see one.

(bet this one gets people shouting)

ruthie  posted on  2006-08-15   19:47:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

so very well articulated and i agree with you. i can guarantee that almost everyone would make an exception at some point. i've often asked those absolutists what decision they would make if their wife or daughter chose to abort the product of a violent rape by some subhuman diseased, mentally ill beast. would they force her to carry this thing to term at the risk of her physical and mental well being? some have said no and agreed that there would be exceptions when presented with that. the more insensitive bullheaded ones refuse to answer. it's easy for these authoritarians to be judgmental about others.

christine  posted on  2006-08-15   20:16:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"...so very well articulated and i agree with you. i can guarantee that almost everyone would make an exception at some point. i've often asked those "absolutists what decision they would make if their wife or daughter chose to abort the product of a violent rape by some subhuman diseased, mentally ill beast. would they force her to carry this thing to term at the risk of her physical and mental well being? some have said no and agreed that there would be exceptions when presented with that. the more insensitive bullheaded ones refuse to answer. it's easy for these authoritarians to be judgmental about others."

Most abortions are performed for birth control reasons.

Why use the phrase,"carry this thing to term." This "thing" is a human child. Why not give "the product" or "thing" the benefit of the doubt and wait until it is delivered then, kill the "thing."

How can you rationalize the murder of a baby to overcome "the risk of her physical and mental well being?"

To save the life of the mother is the only, morally acceptable reason to abort. That should not be extended to cover simple "risk."

We are "judgemental" when we decide not to kill a one year old.

Sorry, Christine, no cigar.

wakeup  posted on  2006-08-16   0:28:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#32. To: wakeup (#20)

Sorry, Christine, no cigar.

no problem, Ron, i don't smoke. ;)

christine  posted on  2006-08-16 22:46:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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