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Title: Liz Michael on Abortion
Source: http://www.lizmichael.com/
URL Source: http://www.lizmichael.com/abortion.htm
Published: Aug 15, 2006
Author: Liz Michael
Post Date: 2006-08-15 16:42:59 by wakeup
Keywords: None
Views: 940
Comments: 40

I fully recognize two sets of conflicting rights on the abortion issue. I believe strenuously in the right of a woman to control her own body. And I also believe strenuously in an unborn child's right to life.

I fully reject the concept that a fetus is not a human being. A fetus is scientifically a human being because it carries the human genome, it is alive, and it possesses all necessary cells needed to mature to adulthood under natural conditions. It is not a part of the woman's body: it resides inside a woman's body. These things are made quite evident via ultrasound and photography. From the moment of conception, an embryo is scientifically a being of the human specie, and therefore a human being. To willfully engage in an act which destroys that human being, regardless of what the law is or should be, is morally, murder unless there are compelling reasons. It is the same as killing a grown person or a child in cold blood...

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I am not looking for debate but, from time to time, certain positions on issues need to be re-stated, especially when that life or death issue involves those who have no voice. I offer Liz Michael's argument because she has great credibility and respect among many I respect.

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"I am not looking for debate but, from time to time, certain positions on issues need to be re-stated..."

I changed my mind. I'm lookin' for debate. Persuade me.

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=32558&Disp=0#C0

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I changed my mind. I'm lookin' for debate. Persuade me

hihi wakeup

sorry i didn't reply to your posts earlier but i had to deal with a hungry little one then i fell asleep.

i read through your replies and its obvious i have touched a raw nerve as you have touched one of mine! this isn't just an intellectual argument for you is it? it isn't for me either, having lost 2 pregnancies due to miscarriage (no i did not do anything to cause them) and i am an incest/abuse survivor who luckily did not get impregnated by my abusers. you made several references to a 1-year old child and i'm not asking you to explain why. i just get a feeling of immense pain and sadness in your posts.

oh it would be a wonderful world if all sex was consensual, all pregnancies went well, all children were wanted and loved...but it isn't all like that. i wish it could be but i have to be grown up and embrace the goodness where i find it but not let the bad things overwhelm me.

i stand by my ground - emotive images of aborted babies are a crass way of illustrating an argument. the loss of a woman to blood poisoning who has gone for a back street abortion because she already has too many mouths to feed is not a pretty sight either. i am in no way discounting the sadness of a little life lost before he or she is born and allowed to thrive. but i would be crushed by sadness and despair if i allowed myself to be dictated to by emotive images. it is a cheap shot.

i'm sorry but i cannot accept any position other than my right to choose whether i should carry an unborn baby to term. once that baby is born, i sincerely believe it is a different situation - the baby is out of my womb and deserves the best chance to live i can give it. am i cold? perhaps i am but when i breast feed my little one at night i don't feel particularly cold.

as to the extreme arguments i put forward, it was to demonstrate how partial it is to try to define when a foetus is "living" - is it when the ovum is fertilised by the sperm? is it when cells start differentiating? is it when nerve tissue has begun to form? and i argued that you can't be arbitrary and say "well, its obviously when..." - the concept of a human genome is so new, it is just another marker on this absolutist scale.

i don't think i'm being silly about the issues of when it might be treated as murder. i can imagine some of the psychopathic bible thumpers in Texas praising the righteous "justice" of a woman being poisoned to death in the execution room for "murdering" her unborn child by an illegal abortion, while the doctor and nurse who assisted wait their turn on Death Row. am i really being silly?

and the dreadfully difficult issue of what merits an abortion - deformity, risk to the mother's life, product of rape...all these sound good or "compelling" reasons. but then there are the other uncomfortable issues - race, colour, sex of the infant, and the future issues of designer babies too. look at the Indian villages where there are NO girl children because the women were pressurised into only giving birth to boys - they are facing a human crisis because of male dominancy. look at the women in some of the states in America who have to travel in secret to clinics in other states because if they were discovered to have had an abortion they would be criminals!

so please don't try to tell me what i should or shouldn't do with my own womb - once a baby is born, it HAS the same right to life as you or me. until that time, i firmly believe it is the sole right of the mother to decide whether it shall reach that stage. i'm not arguing about whether the foetus is "alive" or when that happens (my faith teaches me that it is at the moment of conception). nor am i saying that i would agree with a woman's choice to keep or abort a particular baby. what i AM saying is that it is HER decision to make (and live with) and when others interfere, no matter how well-meaning they believe themselves to be, they are meddling in dangerous territory that can have disastrous effects for all humanity.

(p.s. who is this "Jefferson person" - is he a member of the forum too???) - just kidding, honest ;)

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