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Published: Aug 18, 2006
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2006-08-18 12:01:37 by christine
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It is time for me to address the issue of "free speech" on Freedom4um. My free speech means that I have 100% control over what I say and everyone else has 0% control over what I say. Now, I understand that there are consequences to exercising my right to free speech, but I still retain 100% control.
Free speech means that I have a right to express or spew thoughts and words of preference, love, hate, or anything with which another may disagree. That said, the rules or policies of this forum, which is my private property (see this forum's Mission Statement), are that members can exercise free speech as long as they (1) do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target, (2) earnestly debate or discuss the relevant issues that are part and parcel of this forum's reason-to-be. Let me remind you that these are rules for this forum and, as such, do not necessarily apply off of this forum, as public laws should, in most cases, be even less restrictive than private property rules and regulations.
Again, free speech on this forum means that people can express their love or hatred for anyone, any group, any race, any culture, or any thing, as long as they adhere to the two contingencies listed above. Everyone else on this forum is similarly at liberty to exercise their free speech right to challenge, debate, argue, or agree with the ideas and speech of another.
We will not censor speech as we abhor political correctness and authoritarianism as well as those thought-control and speech-control tyrants who would restrict another's speech. Any limitation on thought and speech constitutes the first level of the destruction of all remaining rights. Afterall, the framers of the Constitution believed that free speech was the most fundamental right to be protected which was the reason that they placed it FIRST in the Bill of Rights.
I do not say this lightly, but anyone who cannot handle the content of another's speech may not be suitable for this forum. Such a person may be better suited for a forum whose moderators control and steer the forum's ideas and speech in a given direction.
Many people have no concept of what Free Speech and Freedom really mean. Do you?
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#89. To: IndieTX (#88)
Thank you, I appreciate your affirmation.
Henry Van Dyke (1852-1933) Righteous Wrath There are many kinds of hatred, as many kinds of fire; And some are fierce and fatal with murderous desire; And some are mean and craven, revengeful, sullen, slow, They hurt the man that holds them more than they hurt his foe. And yet there is a hatred that purifies the heart: The anger of the better against the baser part, Against the false and wicked, against the tyrant's sword, Against the enemies of love, and all that hate the Lord. O cleansing indignation, O flame of righteous wrath, Give me a soul to feel thee and follow in thy path! Save me from selfish virtue, arm me for fearless fight, And give me strength to carry on, a soldier of the Right!
Whose judgement wouldst thou use to determine the veracity of the words? You admitted yourself that lies and hate can not be readily identified. Example: A few here believe that commercial jet contrails are "chem trails." Are they lying? Of course not. The deceivers on the chemtrail sites may be lying for profit, but those who believe them may simply be misguided and deceived. Besides, nobody can know the real truth about this because TheStateInc plays it too close to the vest. So we disagree. Who is lying? Answer: Nobody. Therefore, tell me please...whose judgement wouldst thou use to dtermine the veracity of a post? Free speech can not be restricted. This now fascist country began its spiral to political correctness and repudiation of the Constitution years ago and we've paid the price with a new link in our chains every day. It is the one thing that, thankfully, is still sacred here on 4UM. If it were to deteriorate to the level of an LP or FR, I would have the choice to fill my bozo list first, and thereafter to leave..which I would. That is also everyone's choice here. Rarely do I see any ad hominems here. LP is FULL of them, the most intellectually and creatively lethargic slur of which is the term "moonbat."
Yes, but I wouldn't characterize it as trying to talk me into anything. The correspondence(s) did, however, make me realize that I needed to clarify our position so that everyone knows what to expect as far as our admin moderation. This would probably be a good time to remind all that we have provided a bozo filter as well as a category filter so that each member may self moderate. ;)
that's it! thank you.
Even with that, it seems the actual problem is that people are speaking of things that others wish them to remain silent about, not merely to be protected from seeing them. For the record, I don't use bozo filters, though I have been tempted. You and Zip are doing God's work, christine. My thanks to both of you for providing this forum.
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
IOW, the issue isn't about getting the truth out, as the argument was presented, but rather making sure that the truth doesn't get out, because it makes certain people uncomfortable and their cause undefendable.
Was that a shot at me? :)
Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!
thanks, bluegrass, your words are very much appreciated.
yep, you saw the silent D. :P
someone above posted a poem. is that it?
I went to the park and saw this kid flying a kite. The kid was really excited. I don't know why, that's what they're supposed to do. Now if he had had a chair on the other end of that string, I would have been impressed. -Mitch Hedberg
yes, that's the one. it's Righteous Wrath, not Anger. that's the reason i couldn't find it again.
Yes, ma'am. Looks like SOMEONE got the bitter stevia in HER coffee this morning... I believe that's what's called "submissiveness," kind of like a dog who urinates in the presence of the dominant dog.
Welcome to 4 DP we're sure glad you're here. Our house is your house so please feel free to shit in all the corners.
Well put.
Yet another fine citizen troubled by the 1st amendment :)
DP is famous for his cowardly little hit and run posts which seldom make a lick of sense.
Hmmmmm, I can explain...... Oh! You mean DP. I've got this one. Go clean up Dee's mess on the "Why" thread.
Once you get rid of bluegrass, then free speech will be great for the rest of us! (Surely you didn't mean to include that vicious anti-Semite under your free speech umbrella, did you? ;) )
oh, you think he's my troublemaker here? ;) (i think there might be one or two other LF bad boys too)
lol!
BTTT
And so many here were banned at LP and FR for simply stating their opinions; and in some cases banned for posting an article from MSM that did not agree with the moderators' beliefs.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Freedom's just another word for nuthin left to lose ... --- Janis Joplin Not true, but a good tune. Freedom means free to say and think what you want, and if someone can tell me that I can't question the role many Jews are playing in our foreign policy, they're censoring words and thoughts, they're controlling the dialogue, which controls the outcome. I am appalled that so many topics on so many boards are simply not allowed. You cannot cross those lines. That's why the Imus assassination was so appalling, too.
Good comments on this and the Nazi4um thread.
I'm bumping this to the top because of some dissention taking place among some members regarding some posts by others which are being perceived as threatening. I haven't seen a post that I believe violates my contingency #1 in the particular thread (No specific threat against an identifiable person or target). This was first written in 2006. I would like to invite discussion about Free Speech on Freedom4um again.
Jim Traficant was censored http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/725006/posts
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
I think I'm out of the loop on this one, as I am not familiar with the thread causing concern. Perception of a real threat on this forum seems a little paranoid to me. I haven't heard of anyone on this forum ever suffering physical harm as the result of a dispute here, though I have witnessed bruised egos on rare occasions. (Sometimes these are my favorite threads). This forum is the only one I'm aware of that actually affords free speech, hardly ever mentioning it, while consistently observing it. If someone feels physically threatened maybe that person should post an article exposing it, and let the forum weigh in on the situation.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
The disproportionate influence wielded by Jews in the U.S. Govt. (and most others) is so obvious that it begs explanation. To ban the conversation is to ignore the obvious problem and by so doing refuse any attempt at resolution. Silence regarding such subjects is tantamount to cowardice. The ironic thing to me is that most of the people speaking out on this subject do so knowing that they may be called names or branded a bigot by others less informed but more prolific. Problems never get resolved simply by ignoring them. No subject should be off limits, no opinion outlawed, no restraint on explanatory offerings. Extending the dialogue rather than limiting it seems reasonable to me.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
I'm sorry, what is this about, please?
Probably something to do with Obama's racist pastor receiving death threats in Houston. Like David Duke doesn't receive daily death threats, and he is mild compared to that nut. People need to get a life. Obama is the same as Hillary and McNuts. They all do the bidding of their masters the Jews.
God is always good!
Turns out the Obamaphiles are chronic bed wetters, too...
the thread i am referring to is this one: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=76666&Disp=0
QOTD.
"If the Union was formed by the accession of States, then the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States." ---Daniel Webster, US Senate, Feb. 15, 1833
You've made it clear from the start, that this forum limits speech as little as possible. That doesn't mean posters must always write everything that is on their mind. They are free to do so, but there may be consequences. And note there are a few limits. Not many posts have been deleted, but a few have, that crossed over these very generous lines that have been drawn.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I don't threaten anyone even though Cynicom and Tom007 make fun of me all the time. However, being that I am of an advanced race, very highly evolved, and have a beachball-sized head with a 40-pound brain, I am far beyond their taunts.
Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist or Communist or Nazi everytime.
Nonsense. There are case histories of Neurodegenerative Diseases that have been caused from eating too much rodent meat (squirrels). tom and I are wondering if you might want the Vet to check to see if you are growing a bushy tail yet. hehehehehehehehehe
A Romulan? Take me to the mother ship and get me the hell outta here! ;)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Nope. I am the only living Boskop Man. It gets lonely...
Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist or Communist or Nazi everytime.
I can kill both of you with my brain, you know. Better watch it, my brain is starting to throb right now, and I can't control it!
Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist or Communist or Nazi everytime.
Nothing to concern oneself about on that thread. [Screw Obama and his gun grabbing supporters].
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
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#90. To: christine (#86)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life."
-OBL
"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#91. To: Phaedrus, christine, all (#34)
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The point being of what positive value whatever are lies and hate? The caveat is, of course, that lies and hate cannot always be identified because they often shroud themselves in supposed fact. But so what? If in doubt, tolerate. If not, ban
Your post is an oxymoron. [You also contradicted yourself.] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life."
-OBL
"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#92. To: bluegrass (#87)
BTW, is this piece the result of someone trying to talk you into "moderating" F4 a little bit more?
#93. To: IndieTX (#90)
#94. To: christine, Zipporah (#92)
This would probably be a good time to remind all that we have provided a bozo filter as well as a category filter so that each member may self moderate. ;)
#95. To: bluegrass (#94)
(Edited)
Even with that, it seems the actual problem is that people are speaking of things that others wish them to remain silent about, not merely to be protected from seeing them.
cage goes into salsa, shark's in the salsa. Our shark! - Dakmar Quint
#96. To: christine (#0)
(3) earnestly debate or discuss the relevant issues that are part and parcel of this forum's reason-to-be.
#97. To: bluegrass (#94)
#98. To: Dakmar (#96)
#99. To: christine (#86)
#100. To: gengis gandhi (#99)
#101. To: who knows what evil (#5)
To: lodwick
#102. To: DeepPockets (#101)
I believe that's what's called "submissiveness," kind of like a dog who urinates in the presence of the dominant dog.
#103. To: Hmmmmm (#102)
cage goes into salsa, shark's in the salsa. Our shark! - Dakmar Quint
#104. To: DeepPockets (#101)
#105. To: Hmmmmm (#102)
#106. To: christine (#105)
DP is famous for his cowardly little hit and run posts which seldom make a lick of sense.
#107. To: christine, Zipporah, bluegrass (#0)
#108. To: HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass (#107)
#109. To: christine (#108)
#110. To: All (#0)
#111. To: christine (#110)
#112. To: christine (#0)
Many people have no concept of what Free Speech and Freedom really mean. Do you?
#113. To: Paul Revere (#112)
#114. To: All (#0)
#115. To: christine (#114)
#116. To: christine (#114)
posts by others which are being perceived as threatening.
#117. To: Paul Revere, All (#112)
and if someone can tell me that I can't question the role many Jews are playing in our foreign policy, they're censoring words and thoughts, they're controlling the dialogue, which controls the outcome.
#118. To: christine, all (#114)
...some dissention taking place among some members regarding some posts by others which are being perceived as threatening
"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau
#119. To: wudidiz (#118)
I'm sorry, what is this about, please?
#120. To: christine (#114)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#121. To: ghostdogtxn, Jethro Tull, Critter, HOUNDDAWG, Brian S, Dakmar, Fred Mertz, noone222, wudidiz, Pissed Off Janitor, robin, Hayek Fan, Original_Intent, (#114)
I'm bumping this to the top because of some dissention taking place among some members regarding some posts by others which are being perceived as threatening. I haven't seen a post that I believe violates my contingency #1 in the particular thread (No specific threat against an identifiable person or target). This was first written in 2006. I would like to invite discussion about Free Speech on Freedom4um again.
#122. To: noone222 (#117)
No subject should be off limits, no opinion outlawed, no restraint on explanatory offerings. Extending the dialogue rather than limiting it seems reasonable to me.
#123. To: christine, All (#114)
#124. To: christine, Cynicom, tom007 (#0)
#125. To: YertleTurtle, christine, tom007 (#124)
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, I am far beyond their taunts.
#126. To: YertleTurtle (#124)
being that I am of an advanced race, very highly evolved
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#127. To: IndieTX (#126)
A Romulan? Take me to the mother ship and get me the hell outta here! ;)
#128. To: Cynicom (#125)
tom and I are wondering if you might want the Vet to check to see if you are growing a bushy tail yet. hehehehehehehehehe
#129. To: christine (#121)
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