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Title: Free Speech on Freedom4um
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Published: Aug 18, 2006
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2006-08-18 12:01:37 by christine
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Views: 14457
Comments: 173

It is time for me to address the issue of "free speech" on Freedom4um. My free speech means that I have 100% control over what I say and everyone else has 0% control over what I say. Now, I understand that there are consequences to exercising my right to free speech, but I still retain 100% control.

Free speech means that I have a right to express or spew thoughts and words of preference, love, hate, or anything with which another may disagree. That said, the rules or policies of this forum, which is my private property (see this forum's Mission Statement), are that members can exercise free speech as long as they (1) do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target, (2) earnestly debate or discuss the relevant issues that are part and parcel of this forum's reason-to-be. Let me remind you that these are rules for this forum and, as such, do not necessarily apply off of this forum, as public laws should, in most cases, be even less restrictive than private property rules and regulations.

Again, free speech on this forum means that people can express their love or hatred for anyone, any group, any race, any culture, or any thing, as long as they adhere to the two contingencies listed above. Everyone else on this forum is similarly at liberty to exercise their free speech right to challenge, debate, argue, or agree with the ideas and speech of another.

We will not censor speech as we abhor political correctness and authoritarianism as well as those thought-control and speech-control tyrants who would restrict another's speech. Any limitation on thought and speech constitutes the first level of the destruction of all remaining rights. Afterall, the framers of the Constitution believed that free speech was the most fundamental right to be protected which was the reason that they placed it FIRST in the Bill of Rights.

I do not say this lightly, but anyone who cannot handle the content of another's speech may not be suitable for this forum. Such a person may be better suited for a forum whose moderators control and steer the forum's ideas and speech in a given direction.

Many people have no concept of what Free Speech and Freedom really mean. Do you?

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#97. To: bluegrass (#94)

thanks, bluegrass, your words are very much appreciated.

christine  posted on  2006-08-18   18:51:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Dakmar (#96)

yep, you saw the silent D. :P

christine  posted on  2006-08-18   18:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: christine (#86)

someone above posted a poem. is that it?

I went to the park and saw this kid flying a kite. The kid was really excited. I don't know why, that's what they're supposed to do. Now if he had had a chair on the other end of that string, I would have been impressed. -Mitch Hedberg

gengis gandhi  posted on  2006-08-18   19:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: gengis gandhi (#99)

yes, that's the one. it's Righteous Wrath, not Anger. that's the reason i couldn't find it again.

christine  posted on  2006-08-18   19:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: who knows what evil (#5)

To: lodwick

Yes, ma'am. Looks like SOMEONE got the bitter stevia in HER coffee this morning...

I believe that's what's called "submissiveness," kind of like a dog who urinates in the presence of the dominant dog.

DeepPockets  posted on  2006-08-19   14:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: DeepPockets (#101)

I believe that's what's called "submissiveness," kind of like a dog who urinates in the presence of the dominant dog.

Welcome to 4 DP we're sure glad you're here. Our house is your house so please feel free to shit in all the corners.

I'm not ready to make nice

Hmmmmm  posted on  2006-08-19   14:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Hmmmmm (#102)

Well put.

Salsa shark. We're gonna need a bigger boat. Man goes into cage,
cage goes into salsa, shark's in the salsa. Our shark! - Dakmar Quint

Esso  posted on  2006-08-19   14:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: DeepPockets (#101)

Yet another fine citizen troubled by the 1st amendment :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-08-19   14:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Hmmmmm (#102)

DP is famous for his cowardly little hit and run posts which seldom make a lick of sense.

christine  posted on  2006-08-19   14:51:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: christine (#105)

DP is famous for his cowardly little hit and run posts which seldom make a lick of sense.

Hmmmmm, I can explain...... Oh! You mean DP.

I've got this one. Go clean up Dee's mess on the "Why" thread.

I'm not ready to make nice

Hmmmmm  posted on  2006-08-19   15:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: christine, Zipporah, bluegrass (#0)

Once you get rid of bluegrass, then free speech will be great for the rest of us!

(Surely you didn't mean to include that vicious anti-Semite under your free speech umbrella, did you? ;) )

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-08-19   15:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass (#107)

oh, you think he's my troublemaker here? ;)

(i think there might be one or two other LF bad boys too)

christine  posted on  2006-08-19   15:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: christine (#108)

lol!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-08-19   15:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: All (#0)

BTTT

christine  posted on  2007-04-14   10:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: christine (#110)

And so many here were banned at LP and FR for simply stating their opinions; and in some cases banned for posting an article from MSM that did not agree with the moderators' beliefs.

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

robin  posted on  2007-04-14   11:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: christine (#0)

Many people have no concept of what Free Speech and Freedom really mean. Do you?

Freedom's just another word for nuthin left to lose ...

--- Janis Joplin

Not true, but a good tune.

Freedom means free to say and think what you want, and if someone can tell me that I can't question the role many Jews are playing in our foreign policy, they're censoring words and thoughts, they're controlling the dialogue, which controls the outcome.

I am appalled that so many topics on so many boards are simply not allowed. You cannot cross those lines. That's why the Imus assassination was so appalling, too.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-14   11:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Paul Revere (#112)

Good comments on this and the Nazi4um thread.

Nostalgia  posted on  2007-04-14   13:56:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: All (#0)

I'm bumping this to the top because of some dissention taking place among some members regarding some posts by others which are being perceived as threatening. I haven't seen a post that I believe violates my contingency #1 in the particular thread (No specific threat against an identifiable person or target). This was first written in 2006. I would like to invite discussion about Free Speech on Freedom4um again.

christine  posted on  2008-03-27   2:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: christine (#114)

Jim Traficant was censored http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/725006/posts

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-03-27   3:10:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: christine (#114)

posts by others which are being perceived as threatening.

I think I'm out of the loop on this one, as I am not familiar with the thread causing concern.

Perception of a real threat on this forum seems a little paranoid to me. I haven't heard of anyone on this forum ever suffering physical harm as the result of a dispute here, though I have witnessed bruised egos on rare occasions. (Sometimes these are my favorite threads).

This forum is the only one I'm aware of that actually affords free speech, hardly ever mentioning it, while consistently observing it.

If someone feels physically threatened maybe that person should post an article exposing it, and let the forum weigh in on the situation.

And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner

noone222  posted on  2008-03-27   3:26:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Paul Revere, All (#112)

and if someone can tell me that I can't question the role many Jews are playing in our foreign policy, they're censoring words and thoughts, they're controlling the dialogue, which controls the outcome.

The disproportionate influence wielded by Jews in the U.S. Govt. (and most others) is so obvious that it begs explanation. To ban the conversation is to ignore the obvious problem and by so doing refuse any attempt at resolution.

Silence regarding such subjects is tantamount to cowardice. The ironic thing to me is that most of the people speaking out on this subject do so knowing that they may be called names or branded a bigot by others less informed but more prolific. Problems never get resolved simply by ignoring them.

No subject should be off limits, no opinion outlawed, no restraint on explanatory offerings. Extending the dialogue rather than limiting it seems reasonable to me.

And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner

noone222  posted on  2008-03-27   3:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: christine, all (#114)

...some dissention taking place among some members regarding some posts by others which are being perceived as threatening

I'm sorry, what is this about, please?


"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau

wudidiz  posted on  2008-03-27   3:59:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: wudidiz (#118)

I'm sorry, what is this about, please?

Probably something to do with Obama's racist pastor receiving death threats in Houston. Like David Duke doesn't receive daily death threats, and he is mild compared to that nut. People need to get a life. Obama is the same as Hillary and McNuts. They all do the bidding of their masters the Jews.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-27   4:05:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: christine (#114)

Turns out the Obamaphiles are chronic bed wetters, too...


What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-27   7:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: ghostdogtxn, Jethro Tull, Critter, HOUNDDAWG, Brian S, Dakmar, Fred Mertz, noone222, wudidiz, Pissed Off Janitor, robin, Hayek Fan, Original_Intent, (#114)

I'm bumping this to the top because of some dissention taking place among some members regarding some posts by others which are being perceived as threatening. I haven't seen a post that I believe violates my contingency #1 in the particular thread (No specific threat against an identifiable person or target). This was first written in 2006. I would like to invite discussion about Free Speech on Freedom4um again.

the thread i am referring to is this one:

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=76666&Disp=0

christine  posted on  2008-03-27   11:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: noone222 (#117)

No subject should be off limits, no opinion outlawed, no restraint on explanatory offerings. Extending the dialogue rather than limiting it seems reasonable to me.

QOTD.

"If the Union was formed by the accession of States, then the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States." ---Daniel Webster, US Senate, Feb. 15, 1833

X-15  posted on  2008-03-27   11:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: christine, All (#114)

You've made it clear from the start, that this forum limits speech as little as possible.

That doesn't mean posters must always write everything that is on their mind. They are free to do so, but there may be consequences. And note there are a few limits. Not many posts have been deleted, but a few have, that crossed over these very generous lines that have been drawn.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-27   11:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: christine, Cynicom, tom007 (#0)

I don't threaten anyone even though Cynicom and Tom007 make fun of me all the time. However, being that I am of an advanced race, very highly evolved, and have a beachball-sized head with a 40-pound brain, I am far beyond their taunts.

Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist or Communist or Nazi everytime.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-27   11:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: YertleTurtle, christine, tom007 (#124) (Edited)

, I am far beyond their taunts.

Nonsense.

There are case histories of Neurodegenerative Diseases that have been caused from eating too much rodent meat (squirrels).

tom and I are wondering if you might want the Vet to check to see if you are growing a bushy tail yet. hehehehehehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-27   12:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: YertleTurtle (#124)

being that I am of an advanced race, very highly evolved

A Romulan? Take me to the mother ship and get me the hell outta here! ;)

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-03-27   12:05:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: IndieTX (#126)

A Romulan? Take me to the mother ship and get me the hell outta here! ;)

Nope. I am the only living Boskop Man. It gets lonely...

Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist or Communist or Nazi everytime.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-27   12:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Cynicom (#125)

tom and I are wondering if you might want the Vet to check to see if you are growing a bushy tail yet. hehehehehehehehehe

I can kill both of you with my brain, you know.

Better watch it, my brain is starting to throb right now, and I can't control it!

Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist or Communist or Nazi everytime.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-27   12:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: christine (#121)

Nothing to concern oneself about on that thread. [Screw Obama and his gun grabbing supporters].

And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner

noone222  posted on  2008-03-27   13:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: christine (#0)

After we get the duel reinstated we can have a party in Austin and really settle accounts !

And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner

noone222  posted on  2008-03-27   13:42:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: robin (#123)

Yeah, just look at you and the other frauds/cons that have done your best to turn Freedom4um.com into the CFR's Obama4um.com !!


What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-27   13:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: FOH (#131)

Yeah, just look at you and the other frauds/cons that have done your best to turn Freedom4um.com into the CFR's Obama4um.com !!

I don't know what I'll do come election day: stay home or vote RP however I can.

The other three are totally unacceptable to me.

Lod  posted on  2008-03-27   13:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: lodwick (#132)

I have my local GOP critter strongly considering leaving that wing of the CFR Party and, for the time being at least, going Independent.

I'll show up to support him and see what's available on the ballot outside of the Establishment.

I'm not voting for anyone that isn't actively running for POTUS come election day...including Ron Paul.


What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-27   13:52:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: noone222 (#130)

There's always tequila shots....last man/woman wobbling on their feet gets bragging rights.

"If the Union was formed by the accession of States, then the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States." ---Daniel Webster, US Senate, Feb. 15, 1833

X-15  posted on  2008-03-27   15:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: All (#131)

What's "Free" about Open Borders, One World Monopolist, North American union gun-grabbing World Kyoto Tax and Spend Communism...from a Liberation Theology congregation member that pretends to be a "Christian".

I don't know where I saw it first..."Jesus Christ, because He changed my heart


What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-27   15:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: christine, Cynicom, lodwick, HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull (#121)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-27   16:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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