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Published: Aug 18, 2006
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2006-08-18 12:01:37 by christine
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It is time for me to address the issue of "free speech" on Freedom4um. My free speech means that I have 100% control over what I say and everyone else has 0% control over what I say. Now, I understand that there are consequences to exercising my right to free speech, but I still retain 100% control.
Free speech means that I have a right to express or spew thoughts and words of preference, love, hate, or anything with which another may disagree. That said, the rules or policies of this forum, which is my private property (see this forum's Mission Statement), are that members can exercise free speech as long as they (1) do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target, (2) earnestly debate or discuss the relevant issues that are part and parcel of this forum's reason-to-be. Let me remind you that these are rules for this forum and, as such, do not necessarily apply off of this forum, as public laws should, in most cases, be even less restrictive than private property rules and regulations.
Again, free speech on this forum means that people can express their love or hatred for anyone, any group, any race, any culture, or any thing, as long as they adhere to the two contingencies listed above. Everyone else on this forum is similarly at liberty to exercise their free speech right to challenge, debate, argue, or agree with the ideas and speech of another.
We will not censor speech as we abhor political correctness and authoritarianism as well as those thought-control and speech-control tyrants who would restrict another's speech. Any limitation on thought and speech constitutes the first level of the destruction of all remaining rights. Afterall, the framers of the Constitution believed that free speech was the most fundamental right to be protected which was the reason that they placed it FIRST in the Bill of Rights.
I do not say this lightly, but anyone who cannot handle the content of another's speech may not be suitable for this forum. Such a person may be better suited for a forum whose moderators control and steer the forum's ideas and speech in a given direction.
Many people have no concept of what Free Speech and Freedom really mean. Do you?
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#113. To: Paul Revere (#112)
Good comments on this and the Nazi4um thread.
I'm bumping this to the top because of some dissention taking place among some members regarding some posts by others which are being perceived as threatening. I haven't seen a post that I believe violates my contingency #1 in the particular thread (No specific threat against an identifiable person or target). This was first written in 2006. I would like to invite discussion about Free Speech on Freedom4um again.
Jim Traficant was censored http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/725006/posts
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
I think I'm out of the loop on this one, as I am not familiar with the thread causing concern. Perception of a real threat on this forum seems a little paranoid to me. I haven't heard of anyone on this forum ever suffering physical harm as the result of a dispute here, though I have witnessed bruised egos on rare occasions. (Sometimes these are my favorite threads). This forum is the only one I'm aware of that actually affords free speech, hardly ever mentioning it, while consistently observing it. If someone feels physically threatened maybe that person should post an article exposing it, and let the forum weigh in on the situation.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
The disproportionate influence wielded by Jews in the U.S. Govt. (and most others) is so obvious that it begs explanation. To ban the conversation is to ignore the obvious problem and by so doing refuse any attempt at resolution. Silence regarding such subjects is tantamount to cowardice. The ironic thing to me is that most of the people speaking out on this subject do so knowing that they may be called names or branded a bigot by others less informed but more prolific. Problems never get resolved simply by ignoring them. No subject should be off limits, no opinion outlawed, no restraint on explanatory offerings. Extending the dialogue rather than limiting it seems reasonable to me.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
I'm sorry, what is this about, please?
Probably something to do with Obama's racist pastor receiving death threats in Houston. Like David Duke doesn't receive daily death threats, and he is mild compared to that nut. People need to get a life. Obama is the same as Hillary and McNuts. They all do the bidding of their masters the Jews.
God is always good!
Turns out the Obamaphiles are chronic bed wetters, too...
the thread i am referring to is this one: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=76666&Disp=0
QOTD.
"If the Union was formed by the accession of States, then the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States." ---Daniel Webster, US Senate, Feb. 15, 1833
You've made it clear from the start, that this forum limits speech as little as possible. That doesn't mean posters must always write everything that is on their mind. They are free to do so, but there may be consequences. And note there are a few limits. Not many posts have been deleted, but a few have, that crossed over these very generous lines that have been drawn.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I don't threaten anyone even though Cynicom and Tom007 make fun of me all the time. However, being that I am of an advanced race, very highly evolved, and have a beachball-sized head with a 40-pound brain, I am far beyond their taunts.
Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist or Communist or Nazi everytime.
Nonsense. There are case histories of Neurodegenerative Diseases that have been caused from eating too much rodent meat (squirrels). tom and I are wondering if you might want the Vet to check to see if you are growing a bushy tail yet. hehehehehehehehehe
A Romulan? Take me to the mother ship and get me the hell outta here! ;)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Nope. I am the only living Boskop Man. It gets lonely...
Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist or Communist or Nazi everytime.
I can kill both of you with my brain, you know. Better watch it, my brain is starting to throb right now, and I can't control it!
Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist or Communist or Nazi everytime.
Nothing to concern oneself about on that thread. [Screw Obama and his gun grabbing supporters].
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
After we get the duel reinstated we can have a party in Austin and really settle accounts !
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
Yeah, just look at you and the other frauds/cons that have done your best to turn Freedom4um.com into the CFR's Obama4um.com !!
I don't know what I'll do come election day: stay home or vote RP however I can. The other three are totally unacceptable to me.
I have my local GOP critter strongly considering leaving that wing of the CFR Party and, for the time being at least, going Independent. I'll show up to support him and see what's available on the ballot outside of the Establishment. I'm not voting for anyone that isn't actively running for POTUS come election day...including Ron Paul.
There's always tequila shots....last man/woman wobbling on their feet gets bragging rights.
"If the Union was formed by the accession of States, then the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States." ---Daniel Webster, US Senate, Feb. 15, 1833
What's "Free" about Open Borders, One World Monopolist, North American union gun-grabbing World Kyoto Tax and Spend Communism...from a Liberation Theology congregation member that pretends to be a "Christian". I don't know where I saw it first..."Jesus Christ, because He changed my heart"®
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Have I mentioned I do not like the way you comb your hair???? Beyond that counselor, one of your better endeavors, so much so that you are to be commended for honesty aforethought. As for Bozo, he is not my best friend. My education in life came from LISTENING to others and reading what they have to say, as everyone adds something, intentional or not. Everyone here, without exception, has a problem with government, whether they recognize it or not. The degree of dissent may vary but no one is totally happy. That is one small tie that binds.
I tend to agree, but there are times when a troll disrupts a thread with so many personal attacks that it is impossible to follow the thread's real discussion w/o a bozo filter.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
True... I even read those people until they arrive at the point of being absurd, then I give them short shrift. Usually they do not stay long and move on to more fertile ground.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
thank you for your thoughtful response. i believe in order for a comment to qualify as a threat to government officials, it must be stated as an intent to perform a specific act against a named person or target. if you or anyone knows of a case that was prosecuted where this was not true, i would like to know about it. JT cited the Watts vs the United States case here where the SC ruled that such speech is given the widest possible protection even if it implies physical threat.
Roger that. Well said - thanks.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I maintain a one strike and you're outta here policy.
Unless you're drinking in a bar and telling a joke to a friend which concerns a burning bush. Then they send you to prison for 37 months.
i'm certain i'm already on a list but not because i'm the owner of this website.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
can you cite that specific case/name? i'm not familiar with it.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
'Burning Bush' comment draws prison term Man plans to appeal CNN 12/06/02 Original Link: http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/06/burning.bush.ap (Removed from CNN website) SIOUX FALLS, South Dakota (AP) -- A man who made a remark about a "burning Bush" during the president's March 2001 trip to Sioux Falls was sentenced Friday to 37 months in prison. Richard Humphreys of Portland, Oregon was convicted in September of threatening to kill or harm the president and said he plans to appeal. He has said the comment was a prophecy protected under his right to free speech. Humphreys said he got into a barroom discussion in nearby Watertown with a truck driver. A bartender who overheard the conversation realized the president was to visit Sioux Falls the next day and told police Humphreys talked about a "burning Bush" and the possibility of someone pouring a flammable liquid on Bush and lighting it. "I said God might speak to the world through a burning Bush," Humphreys testified during his trial. "I had said that before and I thought it was funny."
I believe that Neil addressed that problem some while ago - I don't know if there was a fix, or not... www.speedtest.net will let you know just how well you're connecting at any given time.
Hell, it is funny.
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#114. To: All (#0)
#115. To: christine (#114)
#116. To: christine (#114)
posts by others which are being perceived as threatening.
#117. To: Paul Revere, All (#112)
and if someone can tell me that I can't question the role many Jews are playing in our foreign policy, they're censoring words and thoughts, they're controlling the dialogue, which controls the outcome.
#118. To: christine, all (#114)
...some dissention taking place among some members regarding some posts by others which are being perceived as threatening
"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau
#119. To: wudidiz (#118)
I'm sorry, what is this about, please?
#120. To: christine (#114)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#121. To: ghostdogtxn, Jethro Tull, Critter, HOUNDDAWG, Brian S, Dakmar, Fred Mertz, noone222, wudidiz, Pissed Off Janitor, robin, Hayek Fan, Original_Intent, (#114)
I'm bumping this to the top because of some dissention taking place among some members regarding some posts by others which are being perceived as threatening. I haven't seen a post that I believe violates my contingency #1 in the particular thread (No specific threat against an identifiable person or target). This was first written in 2006. I would like to invite discussion about Free Speech on Freedom4um again.
#122. To: noone222 (#117)
No subject should be off limits, no opinion outlawed, no restraint on explanatory offerings. Extending the dialogue rather than limiting it seems reasonable to me.
#123. To: christine, All (#114)
#124. To: christine, Cynicom, tom007 (#0)
#125. To: YertleTurtle, christine, tom007 (#124)
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, I am far beyond their taunts.
#126. To: YertleTurtle (#124)
being that I am of an advanced race, very highly evolved
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#127. To: IndieTX (#126)
A Romulan? Take me to the mother ship and get me the hell outta here! ;)
#128. To: Cynicom (#125)
tom and I are wondering if you might want the Vet to check to see if you are growing a bushy tail yet. hehehehehehehehehe
#129. To: christine (#121)
#130. To: christine (#0)
#131. To: robin (#123)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#132. To: FOH (#131)
Yeah, just look at you and the other frauds/cons that have done your best to turn Freedom4um.com into the CFR's Obama4um.com !!
#133. To: lodwick (#132)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#134. To: noone222 (#130)
#135. To: All (#131)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#136. To: christine, Cynicom, lodwick, HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull (#121)
#137. To: ghostdogtxn (#136)
. I'm sure other folks have other peeves that I bother them or that bother others.
#138. To: Cynicom (#137)
As for Bozo, he is not my best friend. My education in life came from LISTENING to others and reading what they have to say, as everyone adds something, intentional or not.
#139. To: robin (#138)
, but there are times when a troll disrupts a thread
#140. To: Cynicom (#137)
#141. To: ghostdogtxn, Fred Mertz, Brian S (#136)
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#142. To: ghostdogtxn. the thread (#136)
Bottom line is that we are all pretty decent folks, IMO, and so long as we respect this forum (ie- you don't shit where you eat), then it doesn't matter much. And if someone really pisses you off, there's a filter function for a reason. You can bozo that person until the animosity dies down.
#143. To: christine (#141)
#144. To: ghostdogtxn (#140)
I usually don't keep anyone on the filter for more than a day or two, and then typically after they've caught me in a bad mood to begin with. I've cleaned up my list lately.
#145. To: christine (#141)
JT cited the Watts vs the United States case here where the SC ruled that such speech is given the widest possible protection even if it implies physical threat.
#146. To: ghostdogtxn (#143)
#147. To: lodwick (#144)
#148. To: Hayek Fan (#145)
#149. To: christine (#146)
#150. To: christine (#148)
can you cite that specific case/name? i'm not familiar with it.
#151. To: ghostdogtxn (#147)
I don't know if there's a connection, but it seems to me the more people I have on the filter, the slower my connection goes.
#152. To: Hayek Fan (#150)
"I said God might speak to the world through a burning Bush," Humphreys testified during his trial. "I had said that before and I thought it was funny."
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