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Title: The Abuse of the Female, By Minister Louis Farrakhan (extremely interesting words from farrakahn)
Source: proxywhorerefuge.com
URL Source: http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_2851.shtml
Published: Aug 19, 2006
Author: louis farrakahn
Post Date: 2006-08-19 14:35:14 by gengis gandhi
Keywords: None
Views: 500
Comments: 31

The Abuse of the Female, By Minister Louis Farrakhan

According to the Holy Qur’an, the Hereafter is described as a paradise with 70 virgins. This description can be interpreted to make men willing to become martyrs and kill people for political purposes, in order to go to heaven immediately so he can get to be with 70 virgins—but this is the wrong way to understand such a beautiful picture of the Hereafter.

The Old Testament says, “A virtuous woman is more precious than silver and gold.”

In Islam, we cover our women, because the female body is a natural attraction to a real man. Allah (God) formed the female that way. Human beings procreate because of the attraction between male and female. A woman that covers herself is not trying to attract a man on base principles. Women have had enough of men being attracted to them because of the beauty of their forms, face and hair rather than the intelligence of a creature of God that He created for a serious purpose.

When the slave-master destroyed us as a people, his aim was first and foremost to destroy the Black male so that the White male would become the master of the Black female and then take her all the way down. It became acceptable for us to be whores and pimps because then we as a people were constantly lowered because we have lowered our respect for the female.

Women are beautiful and the female body is attractive, but a real man cannot think sane thoughts with the female form on his mind. Girls look at television, watching beautiful Beyonce with her beautiful body, but her moves are so provocative. The child does not know anything about sex, but sees that adults approve of those provocative dances, and begins to imitate Beyonce. As young as four and three, girls are learning to shake their bodies in vulgar dances, yet no one seems to be speaking to this as the destruction of potential virtue.

Some men have become so sick that they try to push themselves in a sexual way into a baby, splitting them. Fathers are sexually abusing their daughters, along with uncles, brothers, cousins and even aunts; and now the lesbian craze is in. We are so undervalued because of our ignorance and lack of the potential for honor and respect.

So some women tell themselves they do not need a man for anything. It is not that our women want to be lesbians, but another woman understands the pain that another woman is going through or being put through in her interaction with men. When they get tired of the game playing, they fall on each other and find more comfort in another woman than they find in a man. But I do not care if you call yourself a lesbian, when a real man comes along, a real man will awaken that spark in you because you are a real woman—a beautiful woman, but a very abused woman.

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If a virtuous woman is more precious than silver and gold and you wake up in a place where there are 70 virtuous girls who have never been touched by a man, where did you wake up? You do not have to physically die to see that paradise, but you have to die as a n----r. You have to die as the creature that the White man made. When you wake up from that death, you will want to see virtuous women, because the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said, “Where there are no decent women, there are no decent men, for the Black woman is the mother of civilization.”

Women are being programmed, not for the Kingdom of God, but for the kingdom of sluts. I am appealing to church leaders to begin to stand up and ask our women to be better and to protect them when they desire to be better. We should not allow any man to destroy that kind of virtue.

The number 70 represents infinity. So when a martyr has given his life, he is really saying he is giving his life to produce a world in which women are virtuous and men are respectful. If you saw 70 virgins in the paradise promised by God and there are men there before you, then those men have not defiled those women. So you do not go to that paradise with vulgar thoughts in your mind.

It is one of the most beautiful pictures of paradise on earth, when women are in a sanctuary where no man will dare molest them. Women are under protection. If the female is not protected, then the destruction of the nation comes through the woman, since the elevation of the nation comes through the woman.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad gave us a law that no man strikes his wife. How are you going to beat the woman that produces your future? Men should be ashamed to abuse women, but most men who beat and bruise women, yet want sex with them the same night they beat them. Men want to beat women like they are inanimate objects, like trees or a lamppost that a dog will lift its leg to; like women do not have feelings.

Do you think after you beat up a woman that she really wants to give herself to you? Why would you want to take pleasure from someone to whom you have given so much pain?

We are a sick people and there is no way we can expect White people to show respect to us and submit to our desires when we are so fractured and broken as a people. But no one wants to address the real problem: respect for authority. Who is the Supreme Authority of this creation? It is our Creator. Does the Creator have a right to expect from us respect, honor and obedience?

Many of us drive automobiles, which come with an owner’s manual in the glove compartment when we bought it. If we really want to get the best out of our vehicles, we have to follow certain guiding principles in the owner’s manual from the maker. Some of us use beauty products, which have instruction on the bottle. If we fail to pay attention to the instructions, we may lose our hair.

So since the Creator is the author of our existence, should not He have the right to give us instructions and should not we respect His right to guide us in how to use the life that He so beautifully and wonderfully gave to us? The Bible and Holy Qur’an both contain instructions on how to use the life that Allah (God) has given. Scriptures are not romantic stories of foolishness; they offer many wonderful guiding principles. In our ignorance, we defile our bodies, but there is a consequence for rebellion against God, Who is the highest line of authority.

In the nature of the man, Allah (God) put him in authority. He may not have the wisdom of how to exercise authority, but God put it in his nature. In the old marriage vows, we would recite: “Do you take this man to be your lawfully wedded husband, to honor and obey him, cherish him, etc., until death us do part.” But in order to hold authority, men have to possess the wisdom of how to exercise that authority. Ignorance and authority is very destructive. So a woman cannot obey a man simply because he is a big, strong man if he is not intelligent.

The way the enemy has crafted this society, Black women are the majority of the students in college, while most Black men are on street corners. Women are studying law, medicine, marine biology and engineering, while men are studying physical education.

Women cannot honor, respect, obey and cherish a man who does not understand what it means to be a man. So our family life is being destroyed. Our marriages are falling apart and the only way men think we can maintain strength in the house is by physical force.

Brothers, as men, if you govern your life by the moral standard of the Teachings, then your wife has some justification to respect and honor you. If you grow in the wisdom of the Teachings, your wife has some right to obey you. But you cannot expect obedience to ignorance. That is against the law of nature and intelligence.

When men have an outside interest in another female, and they have made a vow to their wives; and because there are so many women with so few men, men feel that they can play with women, who do not respect marriage. In the Islamic world, adultery is punished by death penalty. Allah (God) gave Moses a law that the fornicator and adulterer should be stoned to death, because marriage is the cornerstone of family. Family is the cornerstone of nation and anything that will interfere, corrupt or destroy marriage and family is ultimately a disease that will undermine and sink that nation.

Your wife may believe your lies about your whereabouts at first, but eventually you cannot fool your wife when another woman interferes in her house. She knows something is wrong; your touch does not feel the same. When she confronts you with actual facts, you become a master liar and manipulator. You put on a macho front and threaten her. But either you are going to come clean or you undermine yourself by lying.

She argues with you because she is hurting. She feels betrayed. She does not mind calling you out of your name. Your children are listening. When the fight is over, the children talk to each other about what you called each other. If the father smacks the mother, the children tend not to take their father’s side. The woman brought them into the world. They are on her side because nature tells them to be on her side. Babies will throw their bottles at their fathers for hitting their mothers.

While it is natural for a man to be attracted to the beauty of a woman, Brothers, we must restrain ourselves to protect our marriages and families. The face of the enticing beauty of women is a great test, which most of us fail. Men believe there is free pleasure, but there is no free woman. Every woman costs money and it costs money to play. To play with your wife, family and the future of that family is self-destructive and almost suicidal behavior.

In meteorology, the study of weather, there are cold fronts and warm fronts, there is warm water and there are clouds that have all of these different dynamics that produces clashes. There is thunder and lightning, and then there are storms. When you bring a strange woman or a strange man into your house, you are creating the dynamic of a weather change in your house.

Usually, meteorologists will tell you it is going to rain so you get your umbrella and raincoat. But when you are creating storms in your house, you are never prepared for the weather that you have created. Your wife does not want to cook anymore. The house starts getting dirty.

Even though the Holy Qur’an says a man can take up to four wives, I would not do that if I were you. Allah (God) is the Best Knower, so I would not use that verse before you use another verse that says, “One is better for you if you but understood.” Don’t run out playing with women. When you play with a woman, you are playing with fire, Brother, and it will burn you. And most of you are burned today.

The Bible teaches that Christ is the head of man; man is the head of woman; and woman is the head of children. Christ is the head because his wisdom is coming down through the man, through the woman, then through the children. This produces a peaceful home. It does not mean that there is not going to be problems but, if God is the head of your house and men respect Him and follow His guidance, then our wives have a chance to honor, respect and possibly obey us. But right now, most of us have lost moral authority in our own house.

To have moral authority does not mean that you are just living a moral life. It means that you are working hard to bring home the money to take care of your family. The more your wife helps you to make ends meet, the more your voice gets diminished. The Holy Qur’an says that men are the maintainers of women, not that women are the maintainers of men.

But the White man has built a world that makes it difficult for men to be maintainers of their families. While husband and wife may both have degrees, men may not always make enough money to provide the lifestyle that they both desire. So, the wife has to work. There is a compromise there because the wife is working and more than likely she is making more money than her husband.

When the woman is earning more money than the man, her voice can get very deep. When the man earns less, haven’t found a job or haven’t had a job, his voice starts getting higher. He is home washing dishes. This role reversal is created by the clever, social engineering and manipulation of the enemy. He is creating circumstances to break up our homes and destroy our families, so that we will never rise as a people.

Only when we can control those kinds of circumstances can we reverse what the enemy is doing to us and causing us to do to one another. Men may have authority by God, but they do not have it by the wisdom that he has or by the actions that he takes. So when a woman violates a man’s authority, he does not have any recourse because he does not have the wisdom to control her with wisdom. That’s when he beats her and that’s when murder can enter a woman’s heart for her husband.

We have to make the change within ourselves, then we can force a change in others; but the change does not start with the enemy. The change starts with us. The Holy Qur’an says, “God will never change the condition of a people until they change within themselves.”

Are we willing to do that today, Brothers? Go home, Brothers. Leave the strange woman alone. Cut that relationship off and go home to your wife who is the mother of your children. If you do not want to confess, she already knows anyway; but just tell her: “I thank you for standing by me, baby, in my foolishness but I am going to turn over a new leaf and I need you to help me.”

The Holy Qur’an says, “Corruption has appeared on the land and the sea on account of what men’s hands have wrought that He (Allah) may make them taste a part of that which they have done so that they may return.” The Nation of Islam has undergone a period of corruption because we took the domestic life of Prophet Muhammad of Arabia (Peace be upon him) or our Messenger, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, as a rule for our lives. But Allah (God) directed what those two men of God did, while immorality and lust directed what most other men have done.

Allah (God) allowed it to happen so that the Nation of Islam would get caught up in the consequences of corruption, but He is not bringing the full weight of what we have done. He will make you taste a part of it so that we may return to a righteous path and the Restrictive Laws of Islam.

If your marriage is failing and these divorces keep climbing, that is a social indicator of decay. We have to be examples for our sons and daughters. These young boys will be good if they have good guidance and good instruction and a good example. These young girls will be good if their mothers were the right examples for them. Allah (God) is going to judge us all on how we used or misused our influence.

We need to change. We need to stop the masquerade and showboat of Islam, where we look holy but act very unholy. The real person is behind the mask, but we need to take the mask off and look in the mirror and see ourselves for what we are and then take steps to truly beautify ourselves again.

There has been great upset in the Islamic world over a Danish newspaper printing a degrading cartoon of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). There is no Muslim of this planet that can tolerate someone maligning or besmirching the image of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who brought this dynamic truth, the Holy Qur’an to the world. We are displeased, but when a disbeliever makes a caricature of our Prophet, he is only manifesting ignorance and a lack of understanding of that which he is mocking. But the greatest defilers of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) are those who claim him as their prophet.

The Muslim world is a caricature of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). A caricature is the gross enlargement of characteristics for the purpose of mockery or fun. Do you think the Prophet would be happy to see Shiite and Sunni Muslims slaughtering each other in Iraq? That is a caricature. The Muslim world is corrupted with conduct that the Prophet taught against: kings and rulers bringing in women and liquor from Europe, getting drunk in their palaces, coming to America and spending millions of dollars in gambling places and on prostitutes. This conduct is a caricature of the Prophet. We have to come back in our own house and end our caricature of Islam.

Many of you look so beautiful in your uniforms and regalia for coming to the mosque. But as the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said during one lecture when our Muslim Brothers from the East were sitting on the rostrum, they are not here to see that you are clothed in a long, white dress or a long, black dress; they are here to see if you are clothed in the principles of your religion.

We have fallen a long way and it is time to recognize that. The outside world already recognizes it. They already know. They are waiting for us to catch up to what we have shown them. There was a time when you could not go in any ward where Black people live and you could not find a Muslim with the Muhammad Speaks. There was a time when Black women, even though they never came to a mosque, felt safe when they saw a Muslim because they knew we would protect them. There was a time when gang violence would never rear its ugly head because the F.O.I. was strong.

But today, when the light goes out in the house, there is nothing for the people to hold on to. So should the show go on? Should the masquerade ball continue? Or should we say that the masquerade is over and let’s go home and recommit our lives to Allah (God) and the righteous principles that we know we have been taught; recommit our lives to our spouses and children.

If we would come together as a family, husband and wife, we will start pulling the children back and then holiness will replace the broken spirit from broken marriages and broken homes.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_2851.shtml


Poster Comment:

the masculinization and denigration of the goddess, or divine female principles, and the feminization and denigration of the male in society are tools used by the illuminati to invert society, and foment the decay of the family unit. this is also one of the principles of communism, and the same that hitler advocated, in terms of breaking down the family unit, so children looked to the state or furher as the parent figure. this was the purpose of the hitler youth movement.

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#1. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Women are studying law, medicine, marine biology and engineering, while men are studying physical education.

The same problem exists in the native villages in Alaska. The men are quiet content to hunt, fish, and watch WWF all day while "double dipping" the public assistance programs while the women are desperatly trying to go to school and get out of the village.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2006-08-19   14:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

I like Farrakhan when he talks about the Mother Ship and racial separation, a concept I fully encourage.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-08-19   15:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Outstanding thoughts from Calypso Louie.

We should all take heed - it's not just the black family that's under attack...

Please Wake Up Before It's Eternally too Late

Lod  posted on  2006-08-19   15:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: gengis gandhi, mehitable, rowdee (#0)

Family is the cornerstone of nation and anything that will interfere, corrupt or destroy marriage and family is ultimately a disease that will undermine and sink that nation.

Even though the Holy Qur’an says a man can take up to four wives, I would not do that if I were you. Allah (God) is the Best Knower, so I would not use that verse before you use another verse that says, “One is better for you if you but understood.” Don’t run out playing with women.

MSM is careful to keep the sane part of the Muslim religion out of MSM.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-08-19   15:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lodwick (#3)

In Islam, we cover our women, because the female body is a natural attraction to a real man. Allah (God) formed the female that way.

Louie is a tad confused.

God made the female form that way but Louie wants to hide it all. God is not gonna like that.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-08-19   15:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin, lodwick, all (#4)

exactly. i had thought farakahn a fool. his words are very wise.

if the media paints one as a fool, i would imagine its because they make too much of a threat to the power the media serves. (serfs)

I went to the park and saw this kid flying a kite. The kid was really excited. I don't know why, that's what they're supposed to do. Now if he had had a chair on the other end of that string, I would have been impressed. -Mitch Hedberg

gengis gandhi  posted on  2006-08-19   15:30:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#5)

he is referring to, from a fundamentalist perspective, that due to mans fallen nature, he is unable to resist temptation, and the female form is one of the most potent allures.

therefore, by covering the form, man is spared the temptation.

rather like in the fifties, when censors refused to allow barbara eden to show her navel, or bra ads were not allowed with live models.

the principle was the same.

i would have to say from the evidence observed, that most men are incapable of resisting and acting like lechers when presented with a truly beautiful female.

they cheapen the beauty, and treat it as a commodity to be possesed rather than a sacred form to be revered.

I went to the park and saw this kid flying a kite. The kid was really excited. I don't know why, that's what they're supposed to do. Now if he had had a chair on the other end of that string, I would have been impressed. -Mitch Hedberg

gengis gandhi  posted on  2006-08-19   15:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom. everyone here (#5)

Right now, God's prolly wondering why He ever told Noah to build that stupid boat.

Please Wake Up Before It's Eternally too Late

Lod  posted on  2006-08-19   15:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lodwick (#8)

Right now, God's prolly wondering why He ever told Noah to build that stupid boat.

I suspect God gets the the blame for a lot of the failings of mankind.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-08-19   15:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

I've read his stuff on and off for years. I've always liked Louie. He is always truthful as he sees it. He has never been one to mince words.

Who here has seen the movie Malcom X with Denzel Washington. What did you think?

Mark

Kamala  posted on  2006-08-19   15:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: gengis gandhi (#7)

he is referring to, from a fundamentalist perspective,

I never get into religion as it is a no win situation.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-08-19   15:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lodwick (#3)

We should all take heed - it's not just the black family that's under attack...

You echo my thoughs, loddy.

rowdee  posted on  2006-08-19   16:42:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#11)

God made the female form that way but Louie wants to hide it all. God is not gonna like that

I never get into religion at all.

okaaay then.

at least if you meet yourself halfway, you will finally see eye to eye.

I went to the park and saw this kid flying a kite. The kid was really excited. I don't know why, that's what they're supposed to do. Now if he had had a chair on the other end of that string, I would have been impressed. -Mitch Hedberg

gengis gandhi  posted on  2006-08-19   17:36:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: gengis gandhi (#13)

i recently spent time in hospital with a lovely woman who was a shia moslem. we got talking about loads of things because we had so much time on our hands and the subject of Islam came up. she told me (privately) that while she observed the duties of her faith as she had been taught, Allah was a man's God not a woman's and she had been shown the true faith behind Islam by her mother who had in turn been shown by her own mother. i think she was a secret Ba'hai follower but i didn't ask.

one of the things that puzzles me about the 3 phallocentric religions of The Book - Islam, Judaism and Christianity - is how they are obsessed with Dominance and submission. i was brought up in a strict Catholic faith and i know this is very much into D/s, almost in a thinly veiled sexual way. ohh i know i'm speaking from my own experience and i'm not trying to impose my beliefs on anyone else...

...its just that Louis Farrakan's words could NEVER come from a woman's mouth and there seems to be a sub-message that my sex somehow exists outside of his religious ideals. it reminds me so much of my own childhood where i was taught (wrongly by an abuser) that only men had souls and went to heaven and women were endlessly reborn to suffer for their sins.

sorry if i have offended people but i'm not trying to influence their beliefs, only to express what i feel personally

love

ruthie
XXXXXX
http://www.myspace.com/ruthiesb69

ruthie  posted on  2006-08-19   18:17:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: ruthie (#14)

it reminds me so much of my own childhood where i was taught (wrongly by an abuser) that only men had souls and went to heaven and women were endlessly reborn to suffer for their sins.

Good grief.

A Catholic Hindu?

That's just wrong.

Please Wake Up Before It's Eternally too Late

Lod  posted on  2006-08-19   18:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: ruthie (#14)

it obviously subjugates women. but it is attempting to, within it cultural limitations, to tell men to stop acting like pigs, as women are to be cherished and treated with respect, dignity and the divinity within.

and speaking as a man, the way men fawn over airbrushed bimbos, being led by their penis, is an insult to women and what they represent at the highest level.

I went to the park and saw this kid flying a kite. The kid was really excited. I don't know why, that's what they're supposed to do. Now if he had had a chair on the other end of that string, I would have been impressed. -Mitch Hedberg

gengis gandhi  posted on  2006-08-19   18:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lodwick (#15)

Good grief.

A Catholic Hindu?

That's just wrong.

i think it was his way of justifying things, how he acted and what he did. yes, it is wrong - i know that now :) please, i'm not anti-religion, (i have gone back to my faith) - i just want to be treated as an equal person in the sight of God and not as a non-male (and therefore a lower class of human being)

love

ruthie
XXXXXX
http://www.myspace.com/ruthiesb69

ruthie  posted on  2006-08-19   18:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: ruthie (#17)

yes, it is wrong - i know that now

You were wronged - you were a kid, for goodness' sake.

Kids trust, and even love, whatever their family situation is because that's all that they know; and consider it "normal." No matter how whacked it may in reality be.

It's great that you've moved past that, and see, and know the truth.

Cheers.

Please Wake Up Before It's Eternally too Late

Lod  posted on  2006-08-19   18:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: gengis gandhi (#16)

it obviously subjugates women. but it is attempting to, within it cultural limitations, to tell men to stop acting like pigs, as women are to be cherished and treated with respect, dignity and the divinity within.

and speaking as a man, the way men fawn over airbrushed bimbos, being led by their penis, is an insult to women and what they represent at the highest level.

lol, dont piece me

Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!

Dakmar  posted on  2006-08-19   19:12:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: gengis gandhi, ruthie (#16)

To: ruthie it obviously subjugates women. but it is attempting to, within it cultural limitations, to tell men to stop acting like pigs, as women are to be cherished and treated with respect, dignity and the divinity within.

and speaking as a man, the way men fawn over airbrushed bimbos, being led by their penis, is an insult to women and what they represent at the highest level.

I could not agree more.

Ruthie, can you explain why you find porn to be okey, possibly a healthy thing? I'm just trying to understand your mindset, and please don't call me dangerous again because I believe porn is harmful, I just want to understand why and how you think about it the way you do, what good you find in it since you defend it so. Thanks!

Diana  posted on  2006-08-19   20:46:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: gengis gandhi (#16)

it obviously subjugates women. but it is attempting to, within it cultural limitations, to tell men to stop acting like pigs, as women are to be cherished and treated with respect, dignity and the divinity within.

You are projecting your own beliefs onto Islam. The burka is forced on women because their body is seen as nothing more than an object for sexual desire. It has nothing to do with respect for women, and everything to do with a lack of control by Muslim men.

I'm curious what has driven you to such a viewpoint. Beauty is advertised by nature in order to spur attraction. Why must we transmute this innate desire into a "divine" force? Do you really think that men are being pigs when they are attracted to beauty?

DuQuoigne  posted on  2006-08-19   21:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Diana (#20)

Ruthie, can you explain why you find porn to be okey, possibly a healthy thing? I'm just trying to understand your mindset, and please don't call me dangerous again because I believe porn is harmful, I just want to understand why and how you think about it the way you do, what good you find in it since you defend it so. Thanks!

ohh Diana

i never meant that i personally find pornographic images attractive - it does very little for me. i think i'm trying to say i find censorship NOT ok and that doesn't mean i support everything i see or read - far from it!!!

i'm very suspicious of the motives of people, however well-meaning, to restrict the freedom of others in what they can view or say or things like that. and i'm utterly unconvinced by the pathetic attempts of people like the Justice Minister here in Scotland who says she wants to outlaw violent pornography like child pornography because it is "harmful" - where is her evidence that there is a direct link between violent sexual crime and violent sexual fantasies? its simply her personal views and her feelings that it could be so. but that is NOT going to make a good law and persecuting the people who get some gratification from it doesn't necessarily do any good to a society.

i actually think its the reverse - if men want to masturbate as they fantasise about particular images it is probably a release of pressure that could become harmful. likewise, i think that prostitution should be legal and managed within a society not suppressed and hidden.

i'm afraid i still believe the position you take that pornography is harmful IS dangerous and not just to individual freedom. its because it tightens the lid on a pressure cooker and the explosion is far, far worse than venting the steam! as far as i'm aware, when Franco died and censorship was relaxed in Spain, the incidents of sexual violence against women and children did not see an epidemic increase. in the Scandinavian countries there is not a pandemic of rape and molestation. i actually think the repression of the porn industry by that religious pervert called Ashcroft and his successor, Gonzales, has made things WORSE in the US. its like the experience in Holland with deaths due to drugs - most of the heroin deaths are of Germans who come to avoid the harsh legal penalties in their own country. there are hardly ANY deaths of Dutch people due to heroin use. and who are the sex tourists who flock to Cambodia and Thailand? many are Americans and British. porn is like the drugs industry - it should be decriminalised and if anything the role of governments is to promote safe use, not prohibition. because prohibition NEVER works.

as to whether it is good or not, i personally see porn as a little sad, a little pathetic and highlights the loneliness and isolation so many men and some women feel inside but keep hidden. it isn't "good" for me - it is "less worse" than suppressing it.

does that help you understand me a bit better, Diana? please pm me if you want to talk in private :)

love

ruthie
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ruthie  posted on  2006-08-20   5:59:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: ruthie (#22)

i'm very suspicious of the motives of people, however well-meaning, to restrict the freedom of others in what they can view or say or things like that.

Those reducing our society to the same moral standards enjoyed by dogs are far more intelligent in a sinister way than the mush minds they control through a myriad of visual media.

The esoteric knowledge shared by satanists / elitists related to visual media that subliminally manipulates the thought processes of every level of human intelligence has succeeded in reducing people's ability to prioritize to the point of allowing their own demise while watching porn, or Oprah or NASCAR, or Football or Wide World of Wrestling or FAUX NEWS. All of the aforementioned appear innocent and are protected by "free speech" clauses or similar laws anywhere the populace thinks they're free. As far back as the Roman Empire (actually Babylon) we have written documentation supporting the notion of "bread and circuses" for the morons of society to keep them pacified while an elite class robs them of their birthright. Free will ... it's all ours to a certain extent, except you must be numbered, taxed, traded, bought, sold and butt-fucked like a UK serf without a mind of your own.

These ridiculous time wasters are in truth hypnotic trance producers. And our people have become mind-controlled robots, equivocaters, and fat assed mall waddlers trying deparately to fill the void that haunts their empty minds and souls with materialism and self-gratification.

Those controlling the situation have done so with our permission and participation for 6000 fucking years with a minimum of resistance.

Turn on the "boob" tube ... roll-over and play dead.

"interdum vulgus rectum videt"

Sometimes the rabble see what is right.

noone222  posted on  2006-08-20   10:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Damn, these are very sensible and perceptive remarks and I agree with most of them. I just wish he didn't hate white people so much. I guess after reading this I can understand the appeal of the Nation of Islam among angry, alienated young black men. It teaches them self respect and respect for their people.

Who among the white people is talking like this?

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-08-20   10:55:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: ruthie (#22)

I think generally that people become what they consume - physically and mentally. If you eat a lot of junk food, you get fat and unhealthy and get dieases. If you consume a lot of unhealthy images and information, you become mentally sick. Most perverts do seem to start off with pornography first and then the bolder ones start to act our their mental illness within society. While I'm not advocating for censorship, I think it's unwise to underestimate the negative effects of pornography. I don't mean the occasional picture of a naked woman, but a regular diet of raw, vulgar images, or images that includes violent, degrading, or pedophilic material. I do think that material reinforces sick thinking and deepens it or introduces someone to new elements they may not have considered before.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-08-20   11:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: mehitable (#25)

you could compare it like this.

remember the old westerns? you had shootouts, but they werent graphic. no blood, guy falls down, holds his chest, etc.

okay, so violent, somewhat, not graphic.

same with portrayal of sex. you can romanticize it, and give the general idea, or be very graphic and explicit.

I went to the park and saw this kid flying a kite. The kid was really excited. I don't know why, that's what they're supposed to do. Now if he had had a chair on the other end of that string, I would have been impressed. -Mitch Hedberg

gengis gandhi  posted on  2006-08-20   11:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: gengis gandhi (#6)

if the media paints one as a fool, i would imagine its because they make too much of a threat to the power the media serves.

Likewise, if the media paints someone as a wise man I assume that they're an idiot.

"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-08-20   12:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: ruthie (#22)

because prohibition NEVER works - bump.

Never has - never will.

Morality cannot be legislated by man.

Lod  posted on  2006-08-20   12:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: robin (#4)

As loddy said, ...."We should all take heed - it's not just the black family that's under attack"...

Why is it that calypso louie 'gets it' and so much of the rest don't....just a thought to think about.

rowdee  posted on  2006-08-20   12:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: noone222 (#23)

These ridiculous time wasters are in truth hypnotic trance producers. And our people have become mind-controlled robots, equivocaters, and fat assed mall waddlers trying deparately to fill the void that haunts their empty minds and souls with materialism and self-gratification.

outSTANDing.

Lod  posted on  2006-08-20   12:12:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: noone222, mehitable, Diana, ruthie, gengis gandhi (#23)

The esoteric knowledge shared by satanists / elitists related to visual media that subliminally manipulates the thought processes of every level of human intelligence has succeeded in reducing people's ability to prioritize to the point of allowing their own demise while watching porn, or Oprah or NASCAR, or Football or Wide World of Wrestling or FAUX NEWS. All of the aforementioned appear innocent and are protected by "free speech" clauses or similar laws anywhere the populace thinks they're free. As far back as the Roman Empire (actually Babylon) we have written documentation supporting the notion of "bread and circuses" for the morons of society to keep them pacified while an elite class robs them of their birthright.

well said!

Good discussion.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-08-20   12:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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