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Title: FLIGHT 93 WAS SHOT DOWN
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The Daily Mail
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li ... 1770&expand=true#StartComments
Published: Aug 19, 2006
Author: ROWLAND MORGAN
Post Date: 2006-08-21 04:53:39 by Uncle Bill
Keywords: Flight 93, Shot, Down
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Daily Mail The heart-thumping moment came when when passengers on board one of the hijacked 9/11 jets fought back against the ruthless fanatics hellbent on crashing the plane into the heart of America. Jumping out of their seats to a rallying cry of ‘Let’s roll!’, they charged towards the front of the Boeing 757 and began smashing down the cockpit door to reach the hijackers at the controls. Amid the desperate commotion, the plane rolled violently from right to left and pitched up and down as the rogue pilots tried to throw the passengers beyond the door off balance. As the struggle continued, the cockpit voice recorder captured the hijackers urgently discussing whether to ditch the plane. ‘Is that it? Shall we finish it off?’ asked one of the fanatics. ‘No, not yet. When they all come, we finish it off,’ was the reply. Minutes later, at10.03am, with the same voices shouting in Arabic, ‘Allah is the greatest, Allah is the greatest,’ the plane headed down, banked hard right and rolled on to its back. It smashed into an empty field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at its top speed of 580mph and exploded into a massive fireball. Evidence suggests a sinister twist The flames set nearby woods on fire as the impact sprayed body parts and other debris into the trees and up into the sky, to float to earth as far as eight miles away. This, then, is the legend of United Airways Flight 93, one that has been vigorously promoted in a stream of books and films, most recently in the £9.6 million Hollywood movie United 93. It is the story of how 33 innocent passengers and seven crew gave their lives to save countless others as their plane flew kamikaze-style towards the White House or the Capitol in Washington. To a nation still reeling from the attacks on New York’s World Trade Centre and the Pentagon that same September morning, these were men and women every bit as heroic as those who had fought at the Alamo. Yet my own exhaustive investigations have led me to conclude that the story of Flight 93 is far from being the straightforward account of supreme courage that the authorities would have us believe. Instead, the real story is mired in cynical manipulation and warmongering propaganda. I am convinced there is evidence to suggest a wholly sinister twist to the tale that already holds pride of place in American folklore. For I believe that Flight 93 may well have been deliberately shot down as a means of stopping it from reaching its ultimate target — even at the expense of the 40 blameless people on board. It is a suspicion that was held even by the FBI, but was swept aside as a shaken America clung on to the official version of selfless sacrifice and raw patriotism. Today, with the approach of the fifth anniversary of 9/11, some will still say that such speculation only serves to lend comfort to terrorists and does a disservice to the dead. Others, however, will feel there are too many disquieting circumstances and unanswered questions to simply ignore. But let us examine the evidence — so that you can come to your own conclusion. The massive impact caused the entire plane to disappear 30ft deep into the earth, telescoping down on itself and crushing everyone and everything inside the fuselage beyond recognition. Why did the engines go missing? However, the absence of any significant debris — including tailplane and wings — bewildered witnesses, relatives and, more importantly, some crash experts. They found it hard to believe that an airliner up to 155ft long, with two engines each weighing more than six tons, could have penetrated the ground so completely as to utterly disappear. Had it, in reality, been blown to pieces in mid-air? Certainly it is unclear how a single piece of fuselage the size of a dining room table could have been recovered from a marina in Indian Lake, a couple of miles away from the crash site — unless it fell from the sky during an aerial break-up. But a bigger mystery is why the engines went missing. Considering their weight, they should have plunged deep into the earth along with the rest of the airliner. Yet they weren’t in the crater and only a one-ton segment of an engine was ever recovered, again more than a mile from the crash site. The FBI said, unconvincingly, that it had ‘bounced’ there. The FBI also claimed metal fragments found up to eight miles away could have been carried there by the wind, even though the breeze was very light. Witnesses said nothing was left at the crash site, yet the FBI belatedly claimed to have made two sensational discoveries — a red bandana and a passport allegedly belonging to the hijackers. Very conveniently, these turned up as prosecution evidence earlier this year at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the socalled 20th hijacker and only terrorist to be convicted over the 9/11 atrocities. If flight 93 was shot down, there must have been a fighter jet in the skies to unleash a guided missile. The U.S. government has admitted that two F-15s were flying above New York City before 9am on September 11 and three F-16s were patrolling over Washington by 9.40am. They could have reached Shanksville in minutes. According to investigative writer David Ray Griffin, several witnesses saw two F-16s tailing Flight 93 minutes before it went down. Twelve eyewitnesses state seeing another jet nearby. They claim they saw an F-16 move closer in and fire what were probably two Sidewinder missiles, one of them catching at least one of the Boeing’s huge engines, after which the ‘plane dropped like a stone’. Someone else ‘heard a loud bang’ and saw the airliner plummet. A Vietnam War veteran said he ‘heard a missile’, a sound he knew well. It is debatable how seriously we should take these reports. But there are numerous and highly credible witness accounts of a mysterious white jet being seen after Flight 93 went down. Jim Brant, owner of the Indian Lake marina where debris was found, said he heard the roar of jet engines overhead, then saw a fireball rise into the air. He looked up and noticed a white plane circling the wreckage. ‘It reminded me of a fighter jet,’ he said. Another resident, Tom Spinelli, said: ‘I saw the white plane. It was flying around all over the place like it was looking for something. I saw it before and after the crash.’ He said it had high tail wings and no markings on it. John Feegle, another witness, said: ‘It didn’t look like a commercial plane. It had a real goofy tail on it, like a high tail. It circled around, and it was gone.’ Dennis Decker and his friend Rick Chaney were also close to the impact site. ‘As soon as we looked up we saw a mid-sized jet flying low and fast,’ said Decker. ‘It appeared to make a loop or part of a circle, and then it turned fast and headed out.’ Decker and Chaney described the jet as white with no markings. Decker added: ‘It was a jet plane, and it had to be flying real close when that 757 went down. If I was the FBI, I’d find out who was driving that plane.’ A total of 12 eyewitnesses are on record as having seen the white jet. One witness, Susan McElwain, complained that the FBI told her there was no plane and did not note down her account. However, amid the growing furore over the sightings, the FBI was forced to offer an explanation, which again many found unconvincing. It claimed the jet was a passing civilian Fairchild Falcon 20 that was asked to descend to 5,000ft some minutes after the crash to give co-ordinates for the site. The plane and pilot have never been produced or identified. The military’s role in 9/11 is a mystery. One commentator pointed out: ‘The reason why this seems so implausible is that, first, by 10.06am on September 11, all non-military aircraft in U.S. airspace had received orders more than half an hour earlier to land at the nearest airport. ‘Second, such was the density of emergency phone calls from people on the ground in the Shanksville area as to the location of the crash site, that aerial co-ordinates would have been completely unnecessary. ‘Third, with F-16s supposedly in the vicinity, it seems extraordinarily unlikely that, at a time when no one knew for sure whether there might be any more hijacked aircraft still in the sky, the military would ask a civilian aircraft that just happened to be in the area for help.’ The military’s role in 9/11 is shrouded in confusion, ambiguity and inconsistency. A news report on September 20, 2001, said: ‘America’s defence establishment has disclosed that it ordered its fighter jets to intercept all the passenger aircraft hijacked in last week’s attacks on New York and Washington.’ The report also stated that military intelligence was aware of the hijackings before any of the aircraft had hit their targets. Three years later, however, the military said it hadn’t heard about Flight 93 until after the plane had crashed — a line accepted by the official 9/11 Commission, which published its findings in July 2004. The official inquiry said the Federal Aviation Authority — responsible for the security and safety of U.S. civilian aviation — had been incompetent in failing to alert the U.S. Air Force. But the FAA had already acted quickly in ordering more than 4,000 aircraft to land at the nearest airstrip to avoid any more hijacks. And the military would have learned of Flight 93’s hijack via teleconferences set up by the FAA, the White House and the U.S. Defence Department as events began to unfold on September 11. Richard Clarke, who ran the White House video conference, stated that at 9.27am, the FAA informed both Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and General Richard Myers, Chief of Defence Staff, of a number of ‘potential hijacks’ including ‘United 93 over Pennsylvania’. Therefore, more than 25 minutes before Flight 93 went down, both Rumsfeld and Myers knew all about it. No wonder the military’s claim to have learned about Flight 93 only after it crashed is dismissed by many as a bare-faced lie. The FBI was in charge of the investigation. In other air crashes, information from the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder — the black box recorders — were dealt with in an open manner, with crash investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board discussing the progress of their inquiries with reporters. But in the case of Flight 93, the Transportation Safety Board was not in charge of the investigation — the FBI was. The black box recorders were reportedly found buried 25ft deep inside the crater. But a threeminute discrepancy in the crash time led to suspicions of foul play. Seismic records, consolidated from four seismology stations in the region, originally pegged the impact time at 10.06am. It was only later that the Pentagon and the 9/11 Commission decreed that the correct impact time to have been at 10.03am. But Terry Wallace, who heads the Southern Arizona Seismic Observatory and is considered the leading expert on the seismology of man-made events, was puzzled. He complained: ‘The seismic signals are consistent with impact at 10.06am and five seconds plus or minus two seconds. I don’t know where the 10.03 time comes from.’ So there were two crash times. Sceptics note that a lot could happen in three minutes — minutes that could be removed from the end of a flight-deck recording to delete evidence of an attack by U.S. jets. The FBI kept the contents of the voice recorder secret until it was forced by bereaved relatives to play the tape under heavy security at a hotel in April 2002. The family members later reported they heard sounds of an on-board struggle beginning at 9.58am, with a final ‘rushing sound’ at 10.03am, when the tape fell silent. Could the ‘rushing sound’ have been made by the plane being holed? And what of the moment when the plane hit the ground? ‘There is no sound of the impact,’ said Kenneth Nacke, whose brother Lou had been on Flight 93. There is a further twist. In 2006, when the judge at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui ordered a transcript of the cockpit voice recorder, it ended with the sound of the hijackers shouting praises to Allah. Just where had those praises been in 2002 when the tape was first played to relatives? For many, their sudden appearance confirmed suspicions of tape tampering. At first, the FBI was keen to show it was keeping an open mind over the fate of Flight 93. Within days of the crash, Reuters reported from Shanksville: ‘Federal investigators said they could not rule out the possibility that the United Airlines jetliner that crashed in rural western Pennsylvania during this week’s attacks on New York and the Pentagon was shot down.’ ‘We have not ruled out that,’ FBI agent Bill Crowley told a news conference when asked about reports that a U.S. fighter jet may have fired on the hijacked Boeing 757. ‘We haven’t ruled out anything yet.’ Why did Crowley later retract his statement — and on the same day as the U.S. Air Force issued its official denial of any involvement? At the crux of the legend of Flight 93 are the phones calls passengers are said to have made to their loved ones after the hijackers took control. These are said to have alerted the passengers to the fact that they were victims of no ordinary hijacking, but a co-ordinated mission by fanatics to strike at the heart of America in New York and Washington. At the same time, a number of passengers allegedly told relatives of their resolve to fight back. Interestingly, phone contact from passengers on the two hijacked planes that hit the Twin Towers and a third jet which crashed into the Pentagon that same morning was scarce to non-existent. Yet officially there were 35 calls made among the 40 passengers and crew on Flight 93, with callers using either mobile phones or GTE Airfones fitted into the backs of the aircraft seats. The use of mobile phones is suspect anyway because telecommunications experts say that — given the technology of 2001 — calls at an altitude of six miles could have only occurred by fluke at best. Just as baffling, the FBI insisted there were 13 mobile phone calls — of which there were no billing records — yet reduced this number to just two at the trial this year of Zacarias Moussaoui when the evidence risked being exposed to the harsh light of law. Why had the FBI failed to put the record straight over the previous four-and-a-half years? One answer is that it suited the heroism legend to keep silent as the Pentagon banged the drum for war in Iraq. Mrs Beamer only learned of her husband’s final call four days later. The 9/11 Commission claimed that five of the calls described the intent of the passengers and crew to revolt against the hijackers. One caller, the Commission said, ended her message with the words: ‘Everyone’s running up to first class. I’ve got to go. Bye.’ But all this begs the question: why did the hijackers allow such a free-for-all of phone calls as they attempted to terrify their hostages? After all, the hijackers would have realised that experts would have been able to locate the lost aircraft if people were using their mobles. The most intriguing of the calls is the one said to have been made by Flight 93’s most famous passenger Todd Beamer, whose ‘Let’s roll!’ phrase became a byword for the victims’ heroism and patriotism. Beamer’s call was said to have been taken by a telephone supervisor working for the Verizon Corporation, owners of GTE Airfones, the gadgets on the airplane seats. At the time, Verizon had a contract worth £750million for installing a high-security telecoms package across U.S. government departments, including the Pentagon. One of its supervisors, Lisa Jefferson, an evangelical Christian like Beamer himself, retains a vivid recollection of her 15-minute conversation with him. After discovering that she shared her first name with Beamer’s wife, they apparently talked about his two little boys and the new baby on the way, Beamer’s fear that he might not make it home, and his faith. Faced with the awful prospect of dying on board Flight 93, Beamer supposedly recited the Lord’s Prayer and Psalm 23 with Mrs Jefferson. He also asked her to promise to call his wife. Mrs Jefferson received a Verizon Excellence Award from her bosses for her handling of the call. To some this may have seemed inappropriate. She had not taken a recording of it, contrary to convention. She had not gone through the routine questions in her distress-call manual. She had not connected this agitated man to his wife waiting anxiously at home. Nor had she informed his wife subsequently of the call as promised. Mrs Beamer only learned of her husband’s final call four days later, when a representative of United Airlines got in touch. She says the United Airlines representative told her: ‘The FBI had been keeping the information private until they’ve had the opportunity to review the material. But now they’ve released it, I have a written summary of the call.’ But later Mrs Beamer learned that the FBI had not kept the call so secret after all. Her husband’s boss at his computer company had already spun the story of Beamer the hero aboard Flight 93 before anyone else knew of his phone call. As for Lisa Jefferson’s evidence, it was single-sourced, unsubstantiated hearsay of which there was no record. For spooks inside a sprawling empire of wires like Verizon, rigging up a phone call to Lisa Jefferson’s headset would have been simple. ‘Let’s roll!’ became the war on terror’s recruitment slogan. She had no idea what Beamer’s voice sounded like, and she would never hear it again to judge whether he had actually been speaking to her. This year, Lisa Jefferson published a book entitled Called — the story of seeing ‘her life transformed, simply by answering Todd Beamer’s call’. The blurb added: ‘Jefferson sends a stirring challenge to all of us whether it comes during quiet obscurity or international adversity, we must be prepared to answer God’s call.’ Evangelical Christians throughout America rallied to that call. But one puzzle remains: Todd Beamer’s wife later said she had never before heard of his reciting the Lord’s Prayer in pressure situations. Nor, she added, was Psalm 23 something he often recited. Todd Beamer's ‘Let’s roll!’ phrase became the war on terror’s recruitment slogan. President Bush had launched the legend in a speech on September 20, 2001 as he declared his unprecedented ‘war on terror’. Beamer’s story of selfless patriotism, according to the President, was a ‘defining moment’ in American history. Alongside President Bush on this occasion was Todd Beamer’s wife Lisa. Nobody, of course, would begrudge Mrs Beamer her celebrity, given her tragic circumstances. But her presence undoubtedly helped President Bush’s cause. The President again invoked her evangelical Christian husband’s courage in another speech a month later. ‘We will no doubt face new challenges,’ said the man widely regarded as having taken office fully intending to attack Iraq. ‘But we have our marching orders. My fellow Americans… let’s roll!’ Such a phrase couldn’t fail to chime with the President’s gung-ho admirers — nor with the 40 million evangelical Christians in the so-called ‘red’ states where the Bush regime had its most fervent support. Later U.S. Navy personnel would spell out the words 9/11 LET’S ROLL by forming themselves on the deck of a warship bound for Iraq. Lisa Beamer, always a staunch ally of the White House and its war on terror, had herself photographed unveiling a ‘Let’s Roll’ logo on the side of a U.S. Air Force F-16. She even sought to have ‘Let’s Roll’ trademarked and signed a six-figure book deal which, along with her seven-figure compensation cheque, made her a rich woman. And in August 2002, just in time for the first 9/11 anniversary, she published her memoir entitled — predictably — Let’s Roll! The front cover showed the author with the Stars and Stripes and the publisher issued a staggering one million copies in hardback. Secrecy is the first instinct of any war. Truly, the Let’s Roll slogan had become a call to arms — just at a time the White House needed it most. Bush administration not admit its guilt? It could surely have argued that the poor souls lost in the airliner were a tragic but necessary sacrifice in order to prevent horror and destruction on a larger scale in at the Capitol Washington. Air Force scrambles had been frequent enough in the past. One report said there had been 129 within the U.S. during 2000. But secrecy is the first instinct of any war department, especially amid reports flooding in of a passenger revolt on the plane. Any admission of a shooting down must have been ruled out politically because those brave passengers just might have retrieved the controls from fanatical hijackers. For the U.S. military to have snatched victory from their grasp was unthinkable. There are countless theories and areas of evidence to examine. There is even a theory that the plane could have blown up because of a bomb on board. Air traffic controllers on the ground reportedly heard an anonymous voice in the cockpit announce: ‘Ladies and gentleman. Here is the captain. Please sit down and keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb on board. So sit.’ But if Flight 93 had been blown up by a bomb at cruising altitude, its debris area would have covered at least 20 miles, as in the Lockerbie crash. The 9/11 Commission speculated that the rogue pilot jolted the plane violently in the minutes before the impact to disrupt a passenger revolt. This in turn led to claims that he might have succeeded in tearing a wing off, or otherwise wrecking the aircraft in mid-air, causing it to crash. Boeing has refused to discuss this possibility. Such movements, however, could easily have been caused by the pilot attempting to avoid an approaching heatseeking missile homing in on its engines. EYEWITNESS reports differed from the official story. Along the plane’s route, people confirmed that the Boeing came in from the north-west, but they said it was not nose-diving. Instead it was flying low. Bob Blair and Linda Shepley saw the plane when it dropped to 2,500ft. Rodney Peterson and Brandon Leventry noticed it at 2,000ft. Terry Butler saw it at about 500ft. Eric Peterson saw the plane at ‘maybe 300ft’. Lee Purbaugh, a scrap metal worker, was the closest. He told reporters: ‘I heard this real loud noise coming over my head. I looked up and it was Flight 93, barely 50ft above me. ‘It was coming down at 45 degrees and rocking from side to side. Then the nose suddenly dipped and it just crashed into the ground. There was this big fireball and then a huge cloud of smoke.’ Purbaugh’s account was perhaps the nearest of all the witness testimony to the official version of the story. Except for one important element. Not once did Purbaugh mention the plane being upside down, as the 9/11 Commission, the FBI and the Pentagon all maintained it was. With such a huge airplane roaring over his head, he could hardly have failed to notice which way up it was. To some, this cast doubt on the credibility of his reported evidence. To others, it was merely another piece of the Flight 93 jigsaw that failed to fit. • ADAPTED from Flight 93: What Really Happened On The Heroic 9/11 ‘Let’s Roll’ Flight by Rowland Morgan, published by Constable & Robinson on August 24 at £7.99. © Rowland Morgan 2006 To order a copy (p&p free), call 0870 161 0870. Notice the following discussion comments from the source link. Good grief! Yes, Mr. Morgan's hypothesis is plausible and depressingly so. I would prefer not to know for sure if a USAF F-16 shot down UA 93 on September 11th. In light of all that has happened and all that the United States has done since September 11, 2001, this is the only instance wherein the lie is more palpable than the truth. Flight 93 - Index of What Really Happened Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane 'shot down' in Pennsylvania RUMSFELD VIDEO STATING SHOOT DOWN Was United Flight 93 shot down on Sept. 11th? Vice President Cheney: "Well, the -- I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft." NBC's Tim Russert: "And you decided?" Cheney: "We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time... "It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate." Russert: "So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?" Cheney: "Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board? "... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case" Flight 93 shot down by our military - By Devvy Kidd Transcript: Alex Jones Interviews Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army (ret.): Explosive New 9/11 Revelations and Explanations DGP: No, that was hit at 10:00 hours. It was taken out by the North Dakota Air Guard. I know the pilot who fired those two missiles to take down 93. John: Was it shot down because the airline pilots actually regained control of the hijacked auto-pilot or was that to replace the unmanned drone that was shot down? DGP: No, it was the aircraft, you see, had totally unconscious people on board. There were no hijackers. At 9:35, the Happy Hooligans, the Air Guard flying the F-16s were ordered to take that plane out. And they took it out from 9:35 to 10:00.
Flight 93 'was shot down' claims book
by ROWLAND MORGAN
19th August 2006
M.J.M., California, United States of America
"I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon..."
On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney, while not addressing Flight 93 specifically, spoke clearly to the administration's clear policy regarding shooting down hijacked jets.
John: And was United Airlines Flight 93 shot down in Pennsylvania by a U.S. or NATO pilot and was that what was supposed to hit the Pentagon?
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#1. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
Never happened.
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The downing of United Airlines Flight 93 We probably shot this down. But is it that big a deal? I would personally have given the order. I would in fact have pressed the button to fire the missile. There is no moral issue here. DAnconia55 posted on 2006-04-30 11:11:01 ET Reply Trace 9. To: fiddler, honway (#7) Maybe that did happen. But it's not reason to be mad at the military or government. It's even more reason to be pissed at Islam. DAnconia55 posted on 2006-04-30 11:11:55 ET Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation
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North American Union: Deconstructing the U.S. North American Union: Coup d'état American Style "The Bush Administration has decided to ‘back-door' the creation of a North American Union political entity that would effectively erase our borders with Mexico and Canada and create several super-regional governing bodies that would have jurisdiction over the U.S. Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court." He continues, "Despite having no authorization from Congress, the Bush administration has launched extensive working-group activity to implement a trilateral agreement with Mexico and Canada. "The membership of the working groups has not been published, nor has their work product been disclosed, despite two years of massive effort within the executive branches of the U.S., Mexico and Canada. "The groups, working under the North American Free Trade Association office in the Department of Commerce, are to implement the Security and Prosperity Partnership, or SPP, signed by President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005. ... This trilateral agreement, signed as a joint declaration not submitted to Congress for review, led to the creation of the SPP office within the Department of Commerce." North American Union: Remaking Three Nations Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation
Sounds like a hanging offense to me. ;0)
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
She even sought to have 56;Let57;s Roll57; trademarked and signed a six-figure book deal which, along with her seven-figure compensation cheque, made her a rich woman. And in August 2002, just in time for the first 9/11 anniversary, she published her memoir entitled 52; predictably 52; Let57;s Roll! The front cover showed the author with the Stars and Stripes and the publisher issued a staggering one million copies in hardback. (extract from wikipedia) "Lisa Beamer In 2003, Beamer's widow Lisa, along with co-author Ken Abraham, wrote a book about Todd and her attempts to deal with her grief over his death, Let's Roll!: Ordinary People, Extraordinary Courage [1] The book is about Todd and Lisa's life before the crash and Lisa's life after the crash. [edit] Controversy Lisa Beamer has been subject to some controversy in the years since her husband's death. She has been accused of trying to profit from her husband's death after it was learned that on December 4, 2001, she applied [2] for a trademark on the phrase "Let's Roll" and apparently attempted a civil action against Neil Young for his use of the phrase in his song. The Todd M. Beamer Foundation has since licensed the use of the phrase to Wal-Mart, the Florida State football team, and others [3]. In addition to the controversy surrounding the trademark registration, the public financial records of the non-profit Todd M. Beamer Foundation (now known as Heroic Choices) [4] have come under scrutiny for taking in far more money than were delivered in services. According to Heroic Choices, from 2001 through 2004 the foundation used only 53% of its proceeds to fund its programs [5], falling short of the Better Business Bureau's Standards for CharityAccountibility [6], which state that program activity should account for at least 65% of charity expenses." love ruthie Good find. While the families deserve all the compensation they are entitled to from 911. The whole thing smacks of hush/blood money not to pursue what really happened that day. I wonder what some of the terms were when receiving government/insurance money. Mark
Rare video footage of United 93 crash site
The dark scar outlined in red is 1994 earthwork. It is near the crash site, but it is not the crash site.
http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20020911roddy0911p5.asp A year after explosive discord, town still seeks harmony Wednesday, September 11, 2002 SHANKSVILLE, Pa. -- As teams of security agents combed the hillsides to make the day's proceedings the safest act of public mourning in history, a town half-tired of being famous soldiered doing what towns do. There was concrete to be laid on one end of town. The high school was in session. At an Amoco station that hasn't sold gasoline for three years, mechanic Bruce Grine stood beneath a rusting Chevy Cavalier and tried to jury-rig a series of bright silver clamps to a leaky rubber tube that was passing itself off as a fuel line. "All day long -- week in, week out -- people come in askin' where the flight site is. Then, where the mine site is," Grine said. A rumble of propellers cut into the midday heat and an Air Force C-130 banked across the town, just through the tree line where the smoke from United Flight 93 had traced a line in the sky one year earlier. "Yesterday we had hellycopters goin'," Grine said. "Security, I guess." No one in town would have had cause to know that it was all practice to make sure the Air Force planes arrived in time to the national anthem during ceremonies today. Before 9/11, Grine told people where he came from by giving them the distance from Pittsburgh. "Now you say Shanksville and everybody knows," he said. That is to say, they have heard of the town and have placed it somewhere in their internal map of civic history, but finding the actual place can still be tricky. The region was settled in the 19th century, meaning the roads represent a compromise to the surrounding mountains. An outsider looking for something can easily get turned around. Even the locals are sometimes unaware of how close they are to a given point, and modern life leaves them unaware of such simple things as the wind currents. The village of New Baltimore is a dozen or more miles by automobile but eight as the wind blows, which it was doing a year ago. Melanie Hankinson was at the church next to her home, transfixed before a television that showed the World Trade Center ablaze, when the man who sprays her lawn stopped by to tell her he was finding odd things in the weeds. "He said there was a loud bang and smoke and then these papers started blowing through your yard," she said. "I said, 'Oh.' Then I went back to the TV." Then the parish priest, the Rev. Allen Zeth, told her an airplane had crashed in Shanksville. For the next few hours, Hankinson gathered charred pages of in-flight magazines, papers from a pilot's manual -- she remembers a map showing the Guadalajara, Mexico, airport -- and copies of stock portfolio monthly earnings reports. "And there was some black webbing -- a lot of people found that," she said. The webbing, flexible where it hadn't burned, crisp where it had, was from insulation lining the belly of the jetliner. "A couple more miles and it could have been here," Hankinson said. Those words have been spoken in straight lines emanating in every direction from the strip mine where Flight 93 rent the earth. In Shanksville, people still wonder at how the unthinkable could have added another layer of hideousness had the plane crested the hillside and struck the high school. A few degrees more, added Grine, "and we wouldn't be here talking." Instead, he was now talking with Brenda Sell, who despaired of getting one broken automobile back before she had to drop off the one she was now driving. Her family business constructed the chain-link fence around the now-filled-in crater where Flight 93 crashed. Beyond that, any commerce connected to the effort troubled her. "I'm getting tired of people setting up little booths and selling stuff," she said. "It's the local people doing that." True, said Grine. His brother is selling funnel cakes and lemonade near the crash site. Others are hawking T-shirts. At the Somerset exit of the Pennsylvania Turnpike, two enterprising women are peddling bouquets of "Freedom Flowers," some of which by now are no doubt crowding a makeshift memorial where, yesterday, such surviving families as could bear the weight stood on an old strip mine and looked down a hill at a chain link fence while airplanes rumbled overhead trying to get in time to the music.
http://www.flight93crash.com/MyPittsburghLIVE.htm 'Crash debris found 8 miles away ' By Debra Erdley TRIBUNE-REVIEW Stonycreek Township, Somerset County, farmers (from left) William Flamm, Meno Yoder, an unidentified farmer and David Scott watch Thursday as a state police helicopter circles their farm fields looking for evidence from the crash of United Airlines Flight 93. Scott said the FBI agents had tagged corn stalks in fields where debris from the crash had been found. (S.C. Spangler/Tribune-Review photo) A southeasterly wind and a 3-year-old's keen eye brought the crash of United Airlines Flight 93 home to a family in tiny New Baltimore borough, more than eight miles from the Somerset County crash site. Three-year-old Hunter Stoe was helping his father, Andy, with the trash Wednesday night when he spied a slip of paper on the grass near the trash can. When Andy Stoe glanced at the paper, ready to toss it in the trash, he saw it was a charred payroll check made out to Antonio B. Costa of San Jose, Calif. Investigators now concede the canceled check and a portion of a charred brokerage statement Stoe found nearby on Thursday afternoon are from the crash. Costa, a 59-year-old construction worker, was not a passenger on Flight 93. "He's here and fine," his daughter-in-law Leeza Costa said from her San Jose home yesterday afternoon. "We can't figure out how it got there unless maybe they were moving mail or documents for a bank." Stoe said authorities initially insisted crash debris could not have traveled over a mountain ridge more than eight miles from the crash. Andy Stoe and son, Hunter. look at a charred payroll check for a San Jose, Calif., man who was not a passinger on United Airlines Flight 93. Hunter found the check outside his New Baltimore home. (S.C. Spangler/Tribune-Review photo) Late yesterday afternoon, however, FBI Special Agent Bill Crowley said experts from the National Transportation Safety Board had checked weather reports and determined that lightweight materials might well have traveled over the mountain by a southwest wind that reached a speed of 9 knots. "The NTSB says it is not only plausible, but probable," said Crowley. About two miles from the crash site, Ron Trent, a 63-year-old third-generation farmer, never imagined anything like it could happen so close to his home. He was stunned when agents asked him to postpone cutting his hay until they can search the field. Looking over his farm's rolling hills, Trent shoved his cap back on his head and scratched his chin. "I believe this country is in a bad situation, the situation this country is in right now, and I don't think it's going to get any better. "That sure is pretty. I'm sure glad I grew up here. I guess it (the crash) really put Shanksville on the map," he said. Farther down the road, searchers had tied flags in one of David Scott's cornfields to mark areas they wanted to search more closely. "It's just too bad we couldn't be on the map for something other than disaster," said Scott, chatting with neighbors William Flamm and Meno Yoder, as a state police helicopter circled low over his fields. Investigators also descended on nearby Indian Lake. The resort community 2 1/2 miles from the crash also became part of the official search area after small pieces of crash debris were recovered from the 750-acre lake. John Fleegle, an Indian Lake Marina employee, said FBI agents were skeptical of his reports about debris in the lake until they traveled to the lake shore Wednesday afternoon. Fleegle, marina owner Jim Brant and two of Brant's employees were among the dozens who witnessed the crash from Indian Lake. Fleegle had just returned to the marina to get fuel for a boat that had run out of gas when Carol Delasko called him into the drydock barn to watch news of the World Trade Center attack. "All of a sudden the lights flickered and we joked that maybe they were coming for us. Then we heard engines screaming close overhead. The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom," said Fleegle, pointing to a clearing on a ridge at the far end of the lake. Delasko, who ran outside moments later, said she thought someone had blown up a boat on the lake. "It just looked like confetti raining down all over the air above the lake," she said. Fleegle, Brant and a fellow marina worker, Tom Spinelli, jumped in a truck and rushed to the crash site. In the woods, they saw only a crater and tiny pieces of debris. Fleegle said he climbed on the roof of an abandoned cabin and tossed down a burning seat cushion that had landed there. By Wednesday morning, crash debris began washing ashore at the marina. Fleegle said there was something that looked like a rib bone amid pieces of seats, small chunks of melted plastic and checks. He said FBI agents who spent the afternoon patrolling the lake in rented boats eventually carted away a large garbage bag full of debris. Kate Moses, a former Pittsburgh woman whose retirement home is located near the Indian Lake golf course far from the lake, said she felt the impact from the crash and went to look outside. Later, her neighbor found a brokerage statement for a $2 million stock account had landed in her yard. "How could that have happened? It's just a horrifying thought. I'll never be the same. I know that," said Moses. A confirmed Broadway buff who loves New York, Moses said the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the hijacking that ended near her Somerset County home have made her hesitant to even consider traveling to New York anytime soon. Back in New Baltimore, Andy Stoe is keeping track of everything so he can explain it all to Hunter when the toddler gets a little older. And he holds the peace of his tiny valley town more precious than ever.
Let me ask you why you bother to post this nonsense from LP? Posting crap from daconia is akin to post badeye tripe, so why? Why crap up the thread? Does anyone really want this imbecilic banter on this site? People could go over there and get it all day long. IMO, you diminish the discussion on these threads by doing so.
From the standpoint of the government, the hate for islamic terror had to be complete. You can't say that 19 hijackers attacked us on 9-11, and then have to say, we had to shoot down one of our own planes because of it, and still have the full sympathy of the American People. The American People would be outraged that the government shot down one of our own planes, and would easily entertain the notion that 9-11 was an inside job, because a government that can shoot down its own citizens, will have no problems blowing up the World Trade Center, or the Pentagon in the minds of Americans. THAT is why people have no idea what happened to Flight 93. Some people say it was shot down. Others say it was crashed deliberately by a bunch of middle eastern retards for allah. Either way, if you put doubts in the minds of Americans, they will continue to doubt, and raise holy hell at every turn if you're alibi is not conclusive. Imagine if Lee Harvey Oswald had not been shot by Jack Ruby, and was still in prison, very much alive? Oh what stories he could tell, the same with Jack Ruby. Then again... We already know who killed JFK don't we?
And they took it out from 9:35 to 10:00.
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Bush has decided to support the creation of a North American Union through a process of governmental regulations, never having to bring the issue before the American people for a clear referendum or vote." 
#6. To: Uncle Bill (#5)
"The groups, working under the North American Free Trade Association office in the Department of Commerce, are to implement the Security and Prosperity Partnership, or SPP, signed by President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005. ... This trilateral agreement, signed as a joint declaration not submitted to Congress for review, led to the creation of the SPP office within the Department of Commerce."
#7. To: All (#6)
Lisa Beamer, always a staunch ally of the White House and its war on terror, had herself photographed unveiling a 56;Let57;s Roll57; logo on the side of a U.S. Air Force F-16.
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#15. To: Uncle Bill, christine, zipporah, robin, honway, arator, All (#3)
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 | What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#17. To: angle (#15)
Sometimes it gets to be too much, but other times it demonstrates the mindset of, (or rather talking points for ) Bushbots on a particular news item. We do need to know what poison the sheeple are being fed.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#18. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
The government is discovered telling us lie after lie for decades and then they wonder why we are suspicious of them. The real question is: why should we believe ANYTHING that comes out of the government without some kind of objective investigation or analysis behind it?
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#19. To: ruthie (#7)
Oh my. I do hope someone rings up m(Ann) Coulter and lets her know.
She has been accused of trying to profit from her husband's death
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#20. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#16)
good comments, Tommy.
#21. To: honway, Kamala, ALL (#9)
outstanding contribution to this thread, honway, especially the video. i'd not seen that before.
#22. To: angle, Uncle Bill, ..., ALL (#15)
probably because he's so mindboggled at the complete brainwashed idiocy of the aforementioned and his ilk, he just has to share it with us. :P
Let me ask you why you bother to post this nonsense from LP?
#23. To: angle (#15)
d'anconia is dumber than nine chickens. he's a flaming fascist twit, and a disgrace to rand. no one should take him seriously. he's basically a head injury patient with a computer.
I went to the park and saw this kid flying a kite. The kid was really excited. I don't know why, that's what they're supposed to do. Now if he had had a chair on the other end of that string, I would have been impressed. -Mitch Hedberg
#24. To: Uncle Bill, All (#0)
If Flight 93 had been shot down, there would have been one hell of an explosion seen; add a cloud of highly visible black smoke in the sky; not the ground-based ordnance explosion which was seen and photographed - unless the explosives were pre-positioned in the honor of the shoot-down, versus faking an ordinary crash. In the event of a shoot-down, there would have been one hell of a bunch of "big pieces," tracked on radar and otherwise found, particularly the wings and tail section. It's that simple.
#25. To: ruthie (#7)
Wall Mart and Football - that's all the masses need.
she applied [2] for a trademark on the phrase "Let's Roll" and apparently attempted a civil action against Neil Young for his use of the phrase in his song. The Todd M. Beamer Foundation has since licensed the use of the phrase to Wal-Mart, the Florida State football team, and others [3].
#26. To: honway, *9-11* (#9)
Wow! I've never seen footage that before!
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#27. To: SKYDRIFTER (#24)
what's your hypothesis then? do you think what's in that Pa field was Flight 93 at all? like the Pentagon, there seems to be an absence of bodies and body parts, not to mention jet parts.
#28. To: SKYDRIFTER (#24)
Hi Skydrifter. Hope all is well. I'm still keeping an open mind on this. There have been many lies, coincidences and circumstances that always lead me to further reading, investigation and thought regarding the truth of what really happened. For example, I've seen how our evil government so-called officials treat witnesses, and how they cry out to be heard for the sake of justice and truth. And I see how these same government officials lie as a routine, and chuckle loudly as they walk off into the sunset with no accountability, not held responsible, no justice, and usually they receive promotion with their retirements and benefits intact, instead of treasonous execution. I am reminded in the heat of finding the truth about Flight 800, Clinton signed executive order 13039 which simply removed all personnel in this Group from whistle-blower protections for reasons of "national security." Bush has made the same type of moves. It's evil, but it works. The Incredible Disappearing Executive Order THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release March 12, 1997 EXECUTIVE ORDER - - - - - - - By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 7103(b)(1) of title 5 of the United States Code, and having determined that the Naval Special Warfare Development Group has as a primary function intelligence, counter-intelligence, investigative, or national security work and that the provisions of Chapter 71 of title 5 of the United States Code cannot be applied to this organization in a manner consistent with national security requirements and considerations, Executive Order 12171 of November 19, 1979, as amended, is further amended by adding the following at the end of section 1-205: "(i) Naval Special Warfare Development Group." WILLIAM J. CLINTON THE WHITE HOUSE, ----------------------- End of E.O. 13039 ------------------- Navy assets and units that recovered the debris of TWA 800 included: USS Grasp (ARS 51) These assets and units are subsets of the Naval Special Warfare Development Group. E.O. 13039 removed all personnel in this Group from whistle-blower protections for reasons of "national security." TWA 800 - Boeing Bombshell Stuns Investigation There is so much treasonous activity out there by our government officials, that at this point I always assume everything they state is a lie and proceed with investigation from there. I am reminded of the Korean Air Lines Flight 007 situation and recall that this aircraft had cockpit voice recordings by the crew for two more minutes after the sound of the first explosion was heard. This verifies that a 747 (which is larger than Flight 93, a 757) would not be destroyed in the air when struck by a Russian air to air missile. It's also hard to discard the debris field. At 10:06 AM, Flight 93 was apparently shot down near Somerset, PA. The official story that it was flown into the ground as a result of a struggle to control the cockpit is contradicted by the reports of eyewitnesses on the ground, as well as the phone call attributed to Edward Felt. The crash site, in a reclaimed strip mine, comprised a central debris field and several smaller debris fields some distance away. One of the engines was found over half a mile away from the main field. 7 Other debris fields were found 2, 3, and 8 miles away. This evidence is virtually impossible to reconcile with the official story. A Popular Mechanics issue attempts to explain the far-flung debris by suggesting that the engine "tumbl[ed] across the ground" and that the light debris was "blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash." This old country boy ain't buying that. The eyewitnesses held strong convictions of what they saw. I like to hold on to what people see first hand immediately, before the government and media traitors tell them what they saw and heard and pressure them to change the account of what they saw and heard. Eyewitnesses are powerful: Evidence Indicates Flight 93 Was Shot Down Eyewit ne ss accounts corroborate physical evidence that portions of the plane were destroyed in the air, consistent with a missile strike from a nearby military plane. These accounts support the following elements. How Did United Flight 93 Crash? Anyway, Skydrifter, I'm still looking, and learning. God bless, UB.
EXCLUSION OF THE NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE DEVELOPMENT GROUP
FROM THE FEDERAL LABOR-MANAGEMENT RELATIONS PROGRAM
March 11, 1997.
USS Grapple (ARS 53)
USS Trenton (LPD 14)
USS Oak Hill (LSD 51)
Explosive Ordnance Disposal Unit 1
Explosive Ordnance Disposal Unit 2
Explosive Ordnance Disposal Unit 6
Mobile Diving and Salvage Unit 2
And I'm reminded of all the screaming and kicking when many of us thought and still do that the U.S. Navy shot down Flight 800 by accident. But what most folks don't know is that even Boeing thought this also.
"A combative statement from Boeing attorneys suggesting a missile may have been the cause of the explosion of TWA Flight 800 has stunned veteran observers of the controversial investigation into the tragedy. According to court records quoted in today's Seattle Times, Boeing refuses to rule out the possibility of an accidental U.S. Department of Defense shootdown" Crash
Struck in the Air
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#29. To: honway (#14)
This is perfectly plausible scenario of an airliner being hit by sidewinders. When an aircraft is hit by missiles the airframe breaks up into many smaller pieces. At in flight air speeds it is not possible that the jet would come down in large pieces at all. It does not just break in two and fall to the ground. The plane literally disintegrates. The previous story about the papers and burnt pieces of webbing verifies the shoot down as well. Reference KAL 007 which was shot down by the Soviets. It was the same type of debris field scattered over many miles.
Delasko, who ran outside moments later, said she thought someone had blown up a boat on the lake. "It just looked like confetti raining down all over the air above the lake," she said.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
#30. To: Uncle Bill (#28)
It has already been ascertained that PM is a Zionist controlled propaganda outlet which has published disinformation about 9-11 on more than one occasion. I think this description of yet another attempt to spin the gov't lies into the web of public opinion is further proof of what we can expect from them in the future as well. PM is not to be trusted.
A Popular Mechanics issue attempts to explain the far-flung debris
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
#31. To: Uncle Bill, Christine, Rowdy, Aristeides, Diana, All (#28)
How Did United Flight 93 Crash? From my web site - http://home.comcast.net/~sk ydrifter/flt93.htm
#32. To: SKYDRIFTER (#31)
One must speculate that both the Flight 77 and 93 aircraft did take off. Possibly they flew some portion of their flight plan. Then at some point, they turned off their transponders & possibly flew to a closed Air Force Base or private airport, to be hidden in a hangar – probably during the “…land now!” chaos. The physical requirement would be a 5,000 foot runway; and a hanger with a 130 foot door. A Canadian airfield shouldn't be ruled out. Afterward – who knows? Are there approximately 110 people with a new identity, face and country of residence? Unfortunately, there are no prominent clues. While "rumors" suggest that the two aircraft may have slipped into the Cleveland airport, the needed level of secrecy and security tends to discount (not exclude) that as a possibility. Thus, pragmatic speculation almost exclusively rules that scenario. It's not inconceivable that the passengers on all four hijacked aircraft, including the Pentagon & Pennsylvania flights, were asphyxiated via cabin de-pressurization, using the standard cockpit controls. It would be a simple matter to disable the passenger emergency depressurization controls, by pulling the appropriate circuit breakers. Thereafter, the cockpit emergency oxygen would be sufficient for the survival of the hijacker(s). It's quite possible for the pilots to have gained the cockpit jump-seat, even in flight; that's common. If a pilot sent up a quality "airline" or "FAA" ID card with the flight attendant, with a request to "visit the flight deck;" as a courtesy reflex, the captain says, "... sure." Dead passengers & crew would certainly save any "people-handling." If any team could knowingly kill thousands in the World Trade Center, a few more wouldn't likely disturb such psychotic rationalization. i agree with your last two sentences (as horrible as it is).
The automatic response to all this goes to the fate of the actual aircraft & occupants – the real mystery, in all this. Raw guestimation is the only response available, for the moment. The planes and occupants are gone; in some fashion. Did the aircraft actually take off? Who can be certain? If they did, where did they go? What of the people/bodies?
#33. To: christine, honway (#32)
Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation
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