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Title: Will the Unemployed Become Cannon Fodder for Bush's War?
Source: Counterpunch
URL Source: http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts08212006.html
Published: Aug 22, 2006
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2006-08-22 05:37:18 by Zoroaster
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August 21 , 2006

Will the Unemployed Become Cannon Fodder for Bush's Wars? Artificial Recovery; Real Job Losses By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Readers want to know why I have not reported on the payroll jobs statistics for the past two months. Does this mean, they ask, that the situation has turned around and that the US economy is again creating jobs in export and import-competitive sectors?

Alas, no. I did not write about the past two payroll jobs data reports, because it is the same distressing story that other readers say they are bored with hearing.

The July report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics lists 113,000 new jobs, all of which are in services.

“Leisure and hospitality” accounted for 42,000 jobs, most of which are waitresses and bar tenders.

“Education and health services” accounted for 24,000 jobs.

“Professional and business services” accounted for 43,000.

Manufacturing lost another 15,000 jobs.

In the US today, government employs 7.7 million more people than does manufacturing. Little wonder we have an $800 billion annual trade deficit when the government sector is larger than the manufacturing sector.

American economists are yet to face up to the fact that offshoring high productivity, high value-added jobs that pay well and replacing them with waitresses and bartenders is a knife in the heart of the US economy. Charles W. McMillion of MBG Information Services reports that compensation is falling behind price rises and that the US economy has been kept afloat by consumers overspending their disposable incomes by drawing down their accumulated assets and going deeper into debt.

McMillion reports that according the Bureau of Economic Affairs, households outspent their disposable incomes by 1.5% in the second quarter of this year, a rate of dissaving equaled only by the depression year of 1933.

McMillion also reports that recent BLS data indicates that 25 states have lost manufacturing jobs year over year and that 25 states have lost jobs in the information sector.

Little wonder that permits for new private housing are down 20.5% year over year and that new housing starts are down 13.3% year over year. What will we do with the millions of illegal Mexicans when construction jobs dry up?

Wage data covering 82% of all private sector jobs show that the purchasing power of weekly wages today is less than it was when the economic recovery began in November 2001.

What kind of economic recovery is it when the purchasing power of wages falls instead of rises?

In my opinion, the recovery was artificial. It was based on extremely low interest rates orchestrated by the Federal Reserve. The low interest rates discouraged saving, but the low rates reduced the mortgage cost of real estate, inflated home prices and encouraged consumers to refinance their homes and to spend the equity.

The federal government has been overspending its income also, and has wasted a minimum of $300 billion on an illegal, pointless, and lost war that has turned Iraq into a terror zone.

It is unclear how much longer the world will trade Americans real goods for pieces of paper that the US economy cannot redeem with tradable goods and services.

Considering the loss of good jobs, the high debt burden, and the dependence on imports, it is unclear what will enable America to pull herself out of the next recession.

Perhaps growing ranks of the unemployed will become cannon fodder for Bush’s wars in the Middle East.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: paulcraigroberts@yahoo.com Subscribe to *Paul Craig Roberts*

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#1. To: Zoroaster (#0)

In the US today, government employs 7.7 million more people than does manufacturing. Little wonder we have an $800 billion annual trade deficit when the government sector is larger than the manufacturing sector.

This means that there are fewer means to support the growing bureaucracy. I saw some figures for Missouri a while back, that 55% of the people in Missouri get a gov't check. That leaves 45% to support the majority.

If we fail to bring the corporations back under the oversight of Congress and the several states, this trend will only get worse. It is likely worse now since those figures are well over a year old.

Will the unemployed become cannon fodder? That's been the plan all along. They do not need the draft when the only way to survive is to put yourself at the mercy of the whim of gov't.

We need more rope!

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-08-22   6:09:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Zoroaster, *Paul Craig Roberts*, *Destroying the Middle Class* (#0)

PING!!!

Kamala  posted on  2006-08-22   6:16:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#1)

Calvin Coolidge said, "The business of America is bussiness." In other words, America is controlled by the wealthy elite, and the federal and state governments usually operate against common folks.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-08-22   6:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Zoroaster (#3)

Calvin Coolidge said, "The business of America is bussiness." In other words, America is controlled by the wealthy elite, and the federal and state governments usually operate against common folks.

I hate to say this, but Marx got at least one thing right: "Capital has no borders."

Everyone whines about Jews (and rightly so) but those cosmodemonic transnational megacorporations are behind open borders, falling wages, etc. Maybe people should concentrate on real problems instead of fantasies like "the Illuminati" or "the Masons."

"Benjamin Franklin was shown the new American constitution, and he said, 'I don't like it, but I will vote for it because we need something right now. But this constitution in time will fail, as all such efforts do. And it will fail because of the corruption of the people, in a general sense.' And that is what it has come to now, exactly as Franklin predicted." -- Gore Vidal

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-08-22   7:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zoroaster (#0)

government employs 7.7 million more people than does manufacturing

wow

angle  posted on  2006-08-22   9:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: YertleTurtle (#4)

Everyone whines about Jews (and rightly so) but those cosmodemonic transnational megacorporations are behind open borders, falling wages, etc. Maybe people should concentrate on real problems instead of fantasies like "the Illuminati" or "the Masons."

I tend to agree, YT. Identify and resist the programs that are coming our way, rather than looking for royal bloodlines.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-08-22   9:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Zoroaster (#0)

Roberts is an economist in his education. I think he has a phd.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-08-22   9:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull, YertleTurtle (#6)

Identify and resist the programs that are coming our way

What is coming our way is the North American Union. Say good-bye to your national sovereignty and the Constitution. The central planners have, obviously, already opened the southern border. Next steps are a consumption tax which can easily be "regionalized" to both Canada and Mexico, and the introduction or a biometric identification card that will include a thumb print, picture and bar code. The ID card will act to enable completely free movement across what will, in the near future, be borders in name only. This is all being done under the public radar and without any congressional approval.

"The SPP provides the framework to ensure that North America is the safest and best place to live and do business. It includes ambitious security and prosperity programs to keep our borders closed to terrorism yet open to trade."

"The SPP builds upon, but is separate from, our long-standing trade and economic relationships. It energizes other aspects of our cooperative relations, such as the protection of our environment, our food supply, and our public health."

"Looking forward, President Bush, Prime Minister Harper and President Fox have identified emergency management; influenza pandemics, including avian influenza; energy security; and safe and secure gateways (border security and facilitation) as key priorities for the SPP. The Leaders also announced the creation of North American Competitiveness Council to fully incorporate the private sector into the SPP process."

Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2006-08-22   9:56:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Arete (#8)

and how can we vote against this SPP?

This program is pushed through entirely by the executive branch of government? Or does congress have to OK it too?

when these things happen the politicians overwhelmingly support it. and there is no discussion of it in the media. so citizens who oppose it have little choices in terms of actual voting against it.

Remember what happened a couple of years ago when they passed CAFTA? The US House of representatives lies about the vote count. The bill passed by a very narrow margin of 1 or 2 votes. and then there were 2 Republican congressmen who held press conferences to say that they had voted against it, but their votes had been voted as 'yes' votes.

I'm in favor of voting them out, but who is it that thinks that my vote will matter?

Red Jones  posted on  2006-08-22   10:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Red Jones (#9)

and how can we vote against this SPP?

Since this is all being done by the imperial presidency with the passive approval of congress, my guess is that the only means that we have of opposing it is to make the public aware of exactly what is happening. Public opposition is the only defense we have. There are many political operatives working the NAU agenda under the guise of tax reform and bashing the IRS and FED. So called tax "reform" is definitely a precondition (common tax system) to merging the three countries.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2006-08-22   10:20:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Zoroaster (#0)

Perhaps growing ranks of the unemployed will become cannon fodder for Bush’s wars in the Middle East.

When you have 41 year old females signing on for bullet catchers, it seems the plan is working.

Lod  posted on  2006-08-22   10:22:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: YertleTurtle (#4)

Maybe people should concentrate on real problems instead of fantasies like "the Illuminati" or "the Masons."

Repairing one's infrastructure is an exercise in futility if one doesn't also identify and gas the termites as well.

Buzzard  posted on  2006-08-22   10:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Zoroaster (#3)

Calvin Coolidge said, "The business of America is bussiness." In other words, America is controlled by the wealthy elite, and the federal and state governments usually operate against common folks.

Similarly, Founding Father John Jay said, "The people who own the country should run it."


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2006-08-22   10:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: MUDDOG (#13)

"The people who own the country should run it."

Large international corporations and foreign central banks.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2006-08-22   11:34:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Zoroaster, Jethro Tull, Buzzard, Yertle Turtle, Arete, MUDDOG, ALL (#3) (Edited)

and i'm beginning to *get* that america has never been the constitutional republic that we were *led* to believe.

christine  posted on  2006-08-22   12:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Zoroaster (#0)

Perhaps growing ranks of the unemployed will become cannon fodder for Bush’s wars in the Middle East.

I doubt that. They're too lazy to get up before noon.

"GM is not a car company, it's a bank that gives free cars to its customers when they take out a loan."--Magorn.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2006-08-22   12:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lodwick (#11)

When you have 41 year old females signing on for bullet catchers, it seems the plan is working.

I think, most who joined the Reserves and National Guard assumed they would not be fighting unless protecting this nation's very ground. Until that unlikely day, it was a great weekend warrior job with good educational benefits.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-08-22   12:34:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: christine (#15)

and i'm beginning to *get* that america has never been the constitutional republic that we were *led* to believe.

Nope. But isn't it comforting to know God foresaw it ALL, and He has it all under His control?

"...."Government" is a Scam, a Hoax, a Fraud, and a Swindle

Nietzsche wrote that everything the state says is a lie. Of course, it's really individuals who lie when they call themselves "the state" or "the government." Throughout history, people have used all kinds of trickery to legitimize calling themselves "the King" or "the government" - for example, "the divine right of Kings to rule" and in "modern" days, "the Constitution." Some of this trickery is described in Terra Libra Report HYPERLINK "tl06.shtml"#TL06: Discourse on Voluntary Servitude.

The issue of the validity or legality of the so-called "Constitution" is covered in Report HYPERLINK "tl07.shtml"#TL07: The Constitution of No Authority. The essence of that report is that the so-called "Constitution" was never signed or adopted by anybody to make it a valid legal contract or agreement. That means that the so-called "U.S.A." has been a scam, hoax, fraud, and swindle from the outset.

It also means that all the politicians and bureaucrats, calling themselves "presidents," "secretaries," "judges," "generals," "congressmen," etc., have been liars and impostors masquerading as "government" (so-called). The people who signed the pretended "U.S. Constitution," called themselves "We The People... " They were lying. They signed it as individuals. And they never signed it in any way to make it a binding contract.

It's a basic legal principle that for a contract to be valid, it needs to be knowingly, intentionally, and explicitly signed by all the parties involved. For something like a "U.S. Constitution" to be valid, it would have to be knowingly, intentionally, and explicitly signed by every single person involved.

On the same grounds, every political system in the world, I know of, is a fraud and a hoax. In his pamphlet, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority, attorney (one of the good ones) Lysander Spooner wrote in 1870: "The constitution has no inherent authority or obligation. It has no authority or obligation at all, unless as a contract between man and man. And it does not so much as even purport to be a contract between persons now existing. It purports at most, to be only a contract between persons living eighty years ago... we know, historically, that only a small portion of the people then existing were consulted on the subject, or asked, or permitted to express either their consent or dissent in any formal manner. Those people, if any, who did give their consent formally, are all dead now... and the constitution, so far as it was their contract, died with them. They had no natural power or right to make it obligatory upon their children... they did not even attempt to bind them. That is to say, the instrument does not purport to be an agreement between anybody but "the people" then existing; nor does it... assert any right, power, or disposition, on their part, to bind anybody but themselves...

The constitution itself, then, being of no authority, on what authority does our government practically rest? On what ground can those who pretend to administer it, claim the right to seize men's property, to restrain them in their natural liberty of action, industry and trade, and to kill all those who deny their authority to dispose of men's properties, liberties and lives at their pleasure or discretion?" [emphasis added]

Reading Spooner's pamphlet was an assault on my whole knowledge structure. It triggered a process of questioning many concepts such as "constitution" (so- called) - what does this word represent in reality? If Spooner was right, then it represented but an empty fraud. It also meant that words did not necessarily correspond with reality. There were "fraud-words" which served only to mislead. And if there is no valid "constitution," then what does the word "country" mean? What does it really represent? Similar questions followed about ''government," "state," "king," "law," etc. In the Introduction by James J. Martin to Spooner's No Treason, I read: "Since late Neolithic times, men in their political capacity, have lived almost exclusively by myths [more appropriate: "fraudulent fabrications "or "murderous misrepresentations!"] And these political myths have continued to evolve, proliferate, and grow more complex and intricate, even though there has been a steady replacement of one by another over the centuries. A series of entirely theoretical constructs, sometimes mystical, usually deductive and speculative, they seek to explain the status and relationships in the community... It is the assault upon the abstract and verbal underpinnings of this institution which draws blood, so to speak... those who attack the rationale of the game... are its most formidable adversaries." [emphasis added]

Spooner attacked words and phrases like "the government," "our country," "the United States," "member of congress," "King," "constitution of the United States," "nations", "the people," "emperor," "divine right," "president," "monarch," "ambassador," "national debt," "senator," "judge," etc. He indicated that these were all fraud-words designed to dupe the gullible. In a letter to Thomas F. Bayard, Spooner wrote:

"In practice, the constitution has been an utter fraud from the beginning. Professing to have been 'ordained and established' by we, the people of the United States, it has never been submitted to them, as individuals, for their voluntary acceptance... very few of them have ever read, or even seen it; or ever will read or see it. Of its legal meaning (if it can be said to have any) they really know nothing; and never did. Nor ever will know anything."

Spooner indicated that the people who masqueraded as the so-called "government" could be more accurately described as fraudulent impostors or a "secret band of thieves, robbers and murderers." Rick Maybury wrote as follows in an article, "Profiting from the Constitutional Convention," published in the November, 1984 issue of an investment newsletter, World Market Perspective:

"On March 10, 1783, at the town of Newburgh, New York, a group of generals met to plan a military coup. The generals offered the leadership to an officer the troops had respected and admired for many years... for several days the officer pondered whether or not he would accept the offer to become military dictator of America... finally, on March 15, 1783, he announced his decision to decline. His name was George Washington...

... the First Constitutional Convention which commenced on May 14, 1787 had George Washington presiding. This is the convention that created our current constitution. The procedures and results of this convention have long been held to be legal, ethical, constitutional, patriotic and in every other way proper... it was held in secret. It had a hidden agenda. It was surrounded by clandestine meetings in which numerous deals were struck. The delegates intended to draw vast amounts of new power into the hands of the federal government and they violated every restriction their legislatures tried to impose on them. The First Constitutional Convention was actually a military coup. The history books do not describe it this way, but that is what it was... It may have been the slickest, smoothest, most well-lubricated coup any nation has ever experienced. To this day, most Americans do not understand what was really done to them. They look back on it all and smile wistfully."

".... Two of the Worst Fraud-Words: "Constitution," and "Law"

If you think about it, you will realize the role of language in practically all coercion: be it parents or teachers coercing the young; or those masquerading as (so-called) "state" or "government" coercing (so-called) "subjects." Politicians and bureaucrats have an armory of weapons they use to coerce their victims. I put it to you that fraud-words are the most formidable weapons in their armory - not guns and explosives. Do politicians and bureaucrats use guns or words? I further put it to you that next to "government," two of their most powerful fraud-words are "law" and "constitution."

Most people believe that some of the noises and scribbles emanating from the mouths and pens of the lawyers, politicians, and bureaucrats (masquerading as "government" so-called) are somehow special and constitute "the law." This is a grotesque superstition.

The criminals who masquerade as "government" use "the Constitution" as their shield - they claim that "the Constitution authorizes or empowers them" to perpetrate their destructive acts. They use the word "law" as their sword. Because you broke their so-called "law," therefore they are authorized or empowered to punish you as they see fit......" [LONG READ!]

THE NATURE OF GOVERNMENT

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/nature_g ov.htm

#TL07 - The Constitution of No Authority In my opinion, Lysander Spooner was the greatest lawyer there has ever been. http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/ tl07.shtml -

No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority ... Chapter 3 · Chapter 4 The Constitution Not Only Binds Nobody Now, But it Never Did Bind Anybody. ... etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/SpoTrea.html

Spooner indicated that the people who masqueraded as the so-called "government" could be more accurately described as fraudulent impostors or a "secret band of thieves, robbers and murderers."

Sounds familiar!!

Jhn 10:6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

Jhn 10:7 ¶ Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

Jhn 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly......

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn010.html#8

Deliverance, IMO, is when we turn our hearts back to God. Forget voting and the like. It's never been MORE pointless! Those who do not build their house on the Rock, build their house in vain.

2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2Cr 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

2Cr 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr006.html#17

OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME IDOLATRY AND A FALSE RELIGION

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/Articles/Christian/GovReligion.htm

....and He will pluck up it up [verse 1-10]:

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze017.html#7

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat015.html#13

Luk 17:6 — And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Luk/17/6.html

Isa 10:24 ¶ Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Isa/10/24.html

Isa 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.

Isa 10:26 And the LORD of hosts shall stir up a scourge for him according to the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and [as] his rod [was] upon the sea, so shall he lift it up after the manner of Egypt.

Isa 10:27 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.......

Mic 4:12 — But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor.

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Mic/4/12.html

Psalm 2.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-22   14:56:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#18)

Bookmarked - thank you!

Lod  posted on  2006-08-22   15:02:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Arete (#8)

and the introduction or a biometric identification card that will include a thumb print, picture and bar code.

Which will also serve as a driver’s license. I'm sure you've thought thru the problem of how does an American or Canadian police officer summons a Mexican trucker tooling up the NAFTA Highway? Documents will have to be standardized between the three nations. Will the sheeple think the erasure of our national boundaries a good idea? Sure they will.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-08-22   17:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

Will the sheeple think the erasure of our national boundaries a good idea?

Not if it is presented to them openly and that is exactly why all the legs of the merger are being put in place backstage. The central planners are gradually completely the major conditions that will accommodate a merger. Think it is a good idea to get rid of the evil IRS? That's just one way the public will be flimflammed and deceived into supporting a common borderless tax system based on consumption. Basically, Washington has spent us into bankruptcy and the price we are going to pay is our country. The Rubicon has been crossed. It is either take the economic and political fallout of an economic depression (no politician who values his job will go for that) or swindle the citizens out of their sovereignty. The politican princes and privileged remain in power and the rest of us take it in the neck.

You are going to be able to watch it happen right before your eyes. I think the target date for introduction of the Amero is 2010.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2006-08-22   17:33:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Arete, mehitable, who knows what evil, *Rich Peoples Union* (#21)

The Rubicon has been crossed. It is either take the economic and political fallout of an economic depression (no politician who values his job will go for that) or swindle the citizens out of their sovereignty. The politican princes and privileged remain in power and the rest of us take it in the neck.

You are going to be able to watch it happen right before your eyes. I think the target date for introduction of the Amero is 2010.

Everyone sing along....

Feudal times are here again!

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-08-22   19:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: robin (#22)

I heard The Gubanator just raised the minimun wage...things just got a little more expensive in La La Land...

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-08-22   19:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Eoghan (#23)

No one can survive on minimum wage here, not even 6 to a room.

And people are losing their homes at a faster clip, up 67%.

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=32979

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-08-22   19:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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