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Title: Is It Time To Get a Divorce from America?
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URL Source: http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_22809.shtml
Published: Aug 22, 2006
Author: Ezekiel Jones
Post Date: 2006-08-22 15:52:30 by robin
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Is It Time To Get a Divorce from America? Editor’s Note: This article was received August 22 from Ezekiel Jones with the following introduction: Below is a submission for Axis of Logic that would make a nice response to Cathy Garger's screed against Michael Ruppert. I left the U. S. in 2005, in part because of what was happening to the country politically. In my view, things have seriously deteriorated since then, to the point that I feel obligated to urge people to leave, or at least make preparations to leave, before it's too late. I have been amazed by people like Ms. Garger who react so virulently against those who suggest that making a Plan B is prudent at this point. The piece below is an attempt to understand what is going on with these folks that causes such an emotionally over-the-top response. This seems like reasonable comment to me and is offered in the interest of fair debate. I can also personally attest to receiving many close to a hundred letters from United States citizens during the past half dozen years inquiring about how to immigrate to Canada, for much the same reasons expressed by Mr Jones. (Articles by Mr. Ruppert and Cathy Garger are linked below) - Paul Richard Harris, Editor Anyone who's tried to counsel a friend who's in an abusive relationship will recognize the pattern. The abusee stubbornly holds on to the hope that the abuser can be reformed. She may welcome the sympathy of friends who try to comfort her, but if they firmly suggest that she get out of house and hire a lawyer to begin divorce proceedings, she rebukes them angrily. That's what I encounter over and over again as an American expatriate who urges people who are rightly afraid of their government to make some preparations to leave the country. They're more than ready to tell you about the fear they feel because their privacy has been breached, their vote left uncounted, their children sent to war, and their liberty and even lives threatened because of their religion, ethnicity, gender orientation or political beliefs. But watch out if you ever suggest that it would be prudent for someone in their position to consider "getting out of the house" before this obviously dangerous abuser makes good on his threats. Cathy Garger's response to Michael Ruppert's departure is an excellent example. Their emotional reaction is especially telling because moving out of the country was no big deal until a few years ago. For years, people have been retiring to Mexico and Central America to enjoy the warm winters and lower cost of living. Why is it OK to leave the United States to seek a better climate or a cheaper condo but anathema to depart for a place where your phones aren't tapped or detention camps aren't being readied for troublemakers like you? The best I can come up with is that the answer lies in the emotional connection nearly everyone has to their "homeland." People may dislike or even hate their country's leaders, but they still think of that particular piece of real estate as their "fatherland" or "motherland." And it isn't so much that they love their country as that they need for their country to love them. Who wants to feel rejected or abused by the culture in which they were raised? It's a very hard thing to accept that the place where you live is going to give you nothing but pain because you're black or gay or Muslim. It's terrifying when you're offered the impossible choice between being an outcast--or even outlaw--and changing the very way you think and feel about society or religion or war. The worst thing is that it's not only the government or its leaders who pose the threat but also the majority of your fellow countrymen who either support the growing repression or acquiesce in it. Divorce is one of the most devastating of life's experiences. Some people will endure alcoholism, infidelity, beatings and even death threats to avoid severing a relationship that they hoped would last a lifetime. Coming to the realization that you no longer fit in where you were born is traumatic as well. People try to hold on to the smallest positive sign--an "antiwar" candidate's primary victory in a liberal state; rumors that a grand jury will indict a key figure, bad poll numbers for Bush--as an excuse to do nothing in the way of preparation for the possibility that things won't turn around. Consider that the situation may have reached the point where there are irreconcilable differences between you and the United States of America in its 21st century manifestation. Like the bruised spouse of a wife-beater, it may be time for you to at least get your own bank account, talk to friends about moving in with them, and meet with a lawyer about filing for a restraining order. Unless you're sure that things will be better from now on. Ezekiel Jones left the United States in 2005 and now maintains a website, Shelter from the Storm, for people contemplating leaving the U. S. © Copyright 2006 by AxisofLogic.com Michael C. Ruppert's Farewell Message: BY THE LIGHT OF A BURNING BRIDGE. A Permanent Goodbye to the United States Cathy Garger's Response to Mr. Ruppert: Quicksand and the American Soul - Farewell to Michael C. Ruppert!
Poster Comment: Do you get the feeling the govt wants us to leave?
By Ezekiel Jones
Aug 22, 2006, 04:40
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#1. To: Zipporah, Flintlock, Neil McIver (#0)
ping!
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Something I've stated many times here on this forum. What a letter he writes in the link.. Excellent post.
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
thanks for article & links. this subject's on a lot of people's minds. There's a lot of good reasons to go and a lot of good reasons to stay. we have family, roots here. if you are American, then you know that this is our country. These are our people. though we cannot turn back the evil ones that rule - our people may need our help. would our country and/or our people be better off or worse off if we leave? people who are AMERICAN - might ask these questions. I feel that the one who made us - made us to be Americans. We should be loyal to this cause. our country has played a very special role in world history since early 1600's. when our people first came here - did they have anything but wilderness and sacrifice to contend with when they arrived? Why should we be intimidated now?
In his analogy the abusive spouse isn't the country itself, it's the Bush supporters, the statists, and all others who reject the Republic and its Constitution. The first American Revolution was ignited and sustained by a minority of the population. They didn't leave in disgust, they stayed and fought.
I'm with you, but there may be exceptions.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Were I alone, I'd consider leaving. I have children whose future's depend on me. Not only would I never leave my children, I have a moral obligation to help make this country free again for their sakes, so yes it IS about helping others, I will fight to my last bullet, and my last drop of blood. The author is right. We will NEVER regain our Freedom within TheSystem. It is time to refresh the Tree of Liberty. And we all know what that means.
I can't leave either, If I could, I'd seriously consider it. That said, if America goes under no government on earth will be safe so it's a temporary fix at best.
this is so true! i have many friends who are contemplating leaving this country. one, who is leaving for Venezuela soon, told me yesterday that he no longer likes this country or the majority of its people. he said, "i don't feel like i belong here anymore. my spirit is dying and i can no longer give it my energy."
Excepting 4um; the people in the country do suck. Plus they're bad drivers. :-)
Why do you think all the big companies have left the US? They know it is going to be destroyed by the unknowm enemy, and I don't mean Alciada.
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
So besides cheap and sometimes slave labor, they are diversifying risk, because this nation may not always be so stable.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers it could well be. they're going to want to silence us one way or another. If we leave, then their task might be easier.
I'm leaving, though I'm not burning the bridge. My reasons are more personal than political though. I've got a girlfriend here in Ecuador and we get along just fine. That's why I've been here since March. I'll be putting in for permanent residency. But it's not a hard decision. In the states I have family and very good friends that I'll miss, but that's about all. I honestly don't share the optimism that the USA can be saved, except by God's grace. There are many, many problems with the country. One of which almost no one talks about is the sheer size. 300 million people. Ecuador is about 20 million strong. Some quick math shows that one person's vote for president in Ecuador carries some 15 times more weight than a corresponding American's vote just by virtue of the population differences. 15 times. It's like getting to vote 15 times when you go to the polls where in the states you just get to vote once. In the end you have that much more influence over what goes on in the country. It's a huge country stuck in it's republicrat duopoly. A broken political system, an ignored Constitution, a fiat economy. Stupid judges and a majority of people, it seems, in love with war and death. Sure there's no utopia in Ecuador or South America. Cops and judges can be bought here, as can be most anyone that works for the government. But I'm thinking there's always some price to be paid for freedom anywhere you go. I no longer think what the USA has is anything special. All the hype we were taught growing up about how lucky we were to be Americans is just an illusion.
One quick question: How hard is it to make a living there in Ecuador, and how much do you need to make in income to be able to afford the basics as far as food, shelter, clothing, medical care and broadband internet access? Also, do you have any impressions / information about other countries in South America?
#2. To: robin (#0)
Like all humans I want to hold on to dreams for as long as possible, even long after I know they will never come true. I have tried and sacrificed with every fiber of my being to change my country, but the plain fact is that the United States of America cannot and will never be changed from within.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life."
-OBL
"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#3. To: IndieTX, robin (#2)
#4. To: robin (#0)
#5. To: robin (#0)
#6. To: DuQuoigne (#5)
#7. To: DuQuoigne, red jones, robin, ALL (#5)
(Edited)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
"Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in ...into an unbearable hell and a choking life."
-OBL
"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#8. To: IndieTX (#7)
#9. To: robin, Boonie Rat (#0)
The worst thing is that it's not only the government or its leaders who pose the threat but also the majority of your fellow countrymen who either support the growing repression or acquiesce in it.
#10. To: christine (#9)
...or the majority of its people...
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#11. To: robin (#0)
#12. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#11)
#13. To: robin (#0)
Do you get the feeling the govt wants us to leave?
#14. To: Red Jones, Itisa1mosttoolate, robin, christine, Jethro Tull, IndieTX, DuQuoigne, who knows what evil (#13)
#15. To: Neil McIver (#14)
 | Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#16. To: Elliott Jackalope (#15)
If you speak spanish and have a good skill, I think you can do quite well here. I'm not familiar with the labor market salaries but you can get a decent house rented here for 3-4 family members for about 300/month. I think that's probably a good index to compute against your own neighborhood. Take the monthly payment for a similar home in your neighborhood and divide, and you got a multiplier roughly figure an average salary or dinner out and all. I'm in Guayaquil (Ecuador's biggest city) so prices might well be less outside in smaller towns. Electronics is about the same price as in the states, though. Maybe even more. I think there's a tarrif on such imports. Medical care is much, much cheaper. I'm on a mailing list of Gary Scott who boasts of how good Ecuador is (I think overblowing it a little), and he claims a knowing a dentist that charges about 20% of the going rate in the US. And I think the facilities are up to snuff. Internet is growing. When I got here in March they offered 64K/128K/256K for 50/75/100 bucks per month (+12% tax), but since then they've bumped my 128K speed to 400K. I think Peru is poorer. I'm told Peruvian women come to Ecuador to be a maid for 150/month because that's a lot more than they get in Peru. Flintlock says Bolivia is heaven with much cheaper prices. He thinks Ecuador is expensive. I've not been to any other SA country so can't offer much info there. If you're thinking of an SA exploratory tour, I'd suggest checking out Argentina & Uruguay. Argentina is supposed to have great steaks at dirt cheap prices. One thing I don't like about Ecuador is all the gates, locks, walls and fences. They are everywhere. And in the city, everything is concrete. I was in an apartment for a couple months with a sizeable back "yard" covered with it, except for a small round spot for pouring dirty water into the ground and a couple flower gardens. I'll miss the cool, moist Appalachian forests. Nothing like that here, though the rolling Andean mountains have their own charm. Looks a lot like the wilderness in old western movies.
One quick question: How hard is it to make a living there in Ecuador, and how much do you need to make in income to be able to afford the basics as far as food, shelter, clothing, medical care and broadband internet access? Also, do you have any impressions / information about other countries in South America?
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
That's a good thing, right?
That said, if America goes under no government on earth will be safe
#18. To: christine (#9)
I remember that line in Red Dawn, "Because, I live here" when one young man asked another why in Earth he shot an unarmed Soviet soldier who was part of an invasion force. "I would rather be a free man in my grave, then live my life a puppet or a slave." - Jimmy Cliff
#19. To: Neil McIver, Elliott Jackalope, robin, christine, zipporah, diana, (#16)
Is it warm? Ecuador is,according to my eighteen year old out of date thought, FANTASTIC. when I was on the flight over to Guyayquil (I copied Neils spelling) , all the Ecuadorians were up out of their seats to tell us where to go and how beautiful the nation was. We wound up going to a wedding and a reception in Riobamaba(I think). I do remember the first day, out of Guayaquil, on a bus heading to the highlands, using a rest room in a "resturant" on the highway, and wondering WHAT THE FRIKKING HELL I WAS THINKING TAKING A FRIKKINKN "VACATION" IN FRIKKIKN ECUADOR"""""" It was GREAT. WE tried to climb Chimboroza, started out from the refugio at 15,500 feet at 2:00 aym. Woefully unprepared we was. We got into something I have never since experienced . Cosmic radiation, blasting the retnias, causing "sparks" on your eyes. The mountian was MUCH bigger than we were, the winds that kickked up flung my feet off the deep snow, as I grasped with my torso and ice axe for utter survival. I heard sirens in my head due to the lack of Oxygen. The clouds were we in were beyond strange, they were like being in a flouresent light tube -: I have never experienced anything like it. That and the cosmic rays flashing on my retnias, the sixty degree slopes, the tornado winds, Well it did make an impression. When our German friend, our leader, who did sort of know what he was doing, said, ; Mavbi It got idea ta desnd" . I nodded in agreement, as speach was useless, as I was below him, and the wind was against me. Besides my mouth was froze. Actually I was estatic, as if we had gone much farther, we all would have been lost. We all had the kiss of death - the motor leg syndrome, where your legs vibrated, and told you no longer really controlled them. As it was, as we turned down the from the Mighty Chimboroizo, I recall seeing how foolish we were, as from our position, at three aym in the morning, with a magnificent Andean storm upon us, wierd high altitude rays splashing upon us, The moon poked it's head through a few times and cast a cold funeral light upon a vast terrifying landscape Fatigued, frozen, looking down upon a deathly mountian scape we druged ourselves over the life ending cravasses. That night, in the huts called refugios at Chimborozio , the winds were wilder ,by far that I have ever heard or seen in my short life. The sirens were wild in my head, due to the altitude (15,500?), but the exhaustion of the enormous effort to try to climb Chimborozo delt me a deep, unsettled sleep. The wind out side the refugio was TREMENDOUS and scary to me,even as I slept there. I figure we made it to about 17 or 18 thousand feet. I also figure if we had not retreated we all would have died.
I'm in Guayaquil (Ecuador's biggest city
#20. To: robin, Jethro Tull (#0)
I wonder what percentage of the people who have left or are contemplating leaving have small children. If they have grown children, fine. I can see that. If they have none, well then there's not much of a loss really. Some places in Latin America may be nice to visit, but I wouldn't want to settle there with my blonde 5-year-old daughter among all of the absolutely necessary locks, fences, and gates. On the other hand I've never been very fond of yard work.
Nobody's jugs are bigger than Annette's.
#21. To: Tauzero (#20)
There's Iceland, Ireland, Scotland, Holland, etc. Argentina would be okay too I think, but I've heard it's not cheap. I'm here to stay, but I intend to stay flexible about it, and continue to learn so as to make possible plans.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#22. To: tom007, Elliott Jackalope, robin, christine, zipporah, diana (#19)
A rhetorical question but for the benefit of other readers... It depends on what part you're in. In the jungle or the coast, yes, but in the Andean mountains which go right through the middle of Ecuador, it's cooler and wetter. Both of which are nice. It rarely rains in Guayaquil in spite of the constant moderately high humidity. Definitely cooler though than the recent heat wave that rolled through the states. In the mountains, like Quito which is at some 9000 feet, you can get easily sunburned on a clear day -- not much between you and Mr. Sunshine. Mornings are usually bright and sunny. But when the clouds roll in during the afternoon it cools off quite noticably. Thin air doesn't hold much heat in. When night comes it can be downright cold. So you sort of get summer, spring and fall all on a daily basis. Riobamba is at a nice altitude. High enough to avoid the misquitos and some disease risks of the coast and jungle, but lower than Quito so you don't get the daily temperture swings as much. Not much there though. I'd recommend Ambato which is nearby. Bit bigger and more modern city, but small enough to give you clean air to breath. You were thinking "Gee, is this a bathroom or a horse stall?" Of course you'd prefer a horse stall as they at least have straw on the ground. But I think the ladies do get better accomodations. Yes, roadside stops are nothing to write home about. Which is why I haven't till now. Yes, Ecuador has it's own unique ....charm! I've done a few mountains in mere tourist style but got tired of them. Sure you can see miles and miles though the clean air but all you see is rock and snow. It's quite lacking in green growing things. And then it's hard to breath.
Is it warm? Ecuador is,according to my eighteen year old out of date thought, FANTASTIC.
when I was on the flight over to Guyayquil (I copied Neils spelling) , all the Ecuadorians were up out of their seats to tell us where to go and how beautiful the nation was. We wound up going to a wedding and a reception in Riobamaba(I think).
I do remember the first day, out of Guayaquil, on a bus heading to the highlands, using a rest room in a "resturant" on the highway, and wondering WHAT THE FRIKKING HELL I WAS THINKING TAKING A FRIKKINKN "VACATION" IN FRIKKIKN ECUADOR""""""
It was GREAT. WE tried to climb Chimboroza, started out from the refugio at 15,500 feet at 2:00 aym. .... I also figure if we had not retreated we all would have died.
#23. To: Tauzero (#20)
Quito has a reasonably presense of foreigners. One of the more happening places in town is Mariscal, otherwise knowns as "Gringolandia". It's full of restaurants bars and dance clubs, but the nic name should give you an idea of who a lot of the patrons are. But coming here with kids, blond haired at that, you also want to weigh the crime factor. I walked pass a murder scene once last year on my way to Gringolandia. I don't like the crime and consider it a big negative, but then again, I'm more of a small town type of guy and have never liked big US cities either. Riding in a car through Baltimore as a kid was really depressing for me. I think there are more crime infested cities in the US than in Quito, and if you prefer a smaller town, crime should certainly be less of a consideration. But yes, if you like walking though small communities with homes surrounded by nice lush green grass, shrubs, trees, bushes, flowers and all that, you won't see that sort of thing in Ecuador unless you are really in the country. And even then don't expect fine landscaping work. Its kind of depressing but then again.... if you want to live in a country where people take responsibilty for their own security, that might be a price to pay. Didn't mention the gold. Won't get to do any panning on this trip, but expect to when I return.
Some places in Latin America may be nice to visit, but I wouldn't want to settle there with my blonde 5-year-old daughter among all of the absolutely necessary locks, fences, and gates.
#24. To: robin (#21)
I've heard it is. The Real collapse some 4-5 years ago and they then pegged it to the dollar. Flint said last year the dollar goes some 3 times farther there than in the States.
Argentina would be okay too I think, but I've heard it's not cheap.
#25. To: Neil McIver (#24)
I've been thinking about Argentina a LOT lately. I'm thinking that the worst is behind them, and that now they are starting to pull out of their financial implosion, and have better days ahead of them.
| Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#26. To: Neil McIver, Flintlock, Tauzero, Elliott Jackalope (#24)
I think you and Flint must be correct. I searched around and found these links interesting: http://www.finfacts.com/costofliving.htm http://expat-argentina.blogspot.com/2005/12/cost-of-living-in-argentina.html http://expat-argentina.blogspot.com/2006/04/keeping-argentina-secret.html http://www.worldstudent.com/uk/studyabroad/argentina/1c.shtml http://www.travellersworldwide.com/01-argentina/01-argentina-teachenglish.htm http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107288.html http://www.escapeartist.com/efam/58/Argentina_Chile.html http://careers.berlitz.com/South_America/ar/profile.asp?aInfo=5&cInfo=AR&cCode=8 http://movingtoargentina.typepad.com/ http://pythia.uoregon.edu/~llynch/Tango-L/2005/msg02917.html
Flint said last year the dollar goes some 3 times farther there than in the States.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#27. To: Elliott Jackalope (#25)
Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a debt riddled empty promise.
Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.
"in ominia paratus"
Prepared for all things.
#28. To: Elliott Jackalope (#25)
After the currency collapse, yes the worst should be behind them. They are still using fiat money but so is everyone else. I think Argentina is a fine place to check out. That's my impression anyway. Uraguay too, right across the river from Buenos Aires. I want to make it there at some point.
#29. To: robin (#21)
Was very expensive till about three years ago when the currancy collapsed. Pretty good bargin right now. Just had some friends come back from there two months ago. They loved it and want to move.
Argentina would be okay too I think, but I've heard it's not cheap.
#30. To: Neil McIver (#22)
Yep, you know the one. The "urinal" was a wall.
You were thinking "Gee, is this a bathroom or a horse stall?" Of course you'd prefer a horse stall as they at least have straw on the ground. But I think the ladies do get better accomodations.
#31. To: robin (#0)
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_22782.shtml Loved her article! Let the men wimp out. We women, with God as our strength, will not yield the kingdom of heaven [ http://www.historicist.com/ojnj /ojnj6.htm ]. We were told this day would come, but we were brainwashed into thinking it would happen "over there": http://www.historicist.com/ojnj /ojnj5.htm . I want to be HERE with Jesus when He comes, NOT in some far-flung city: . "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the Name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." God's new Name is Jesus Christ. The name to be written on the inhabitant of New Jerusalem is His new name, "Christ man," or "Christian!" -------------------------------- 1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world..... 1Jo 4:17 ¶ Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love..... ------------------------------------- "Deliverance Comes at the Moment of Defeat! But at the very time when the anti-Christ international conspirators think they have us in their grasp, we will be saved! "And thou shalt go even to Babylon, there shalt thou be delivered: there the Lord shall redeem thee from the hands of thine enemies [see Luke 1: 68-71]. Now also many nations are gathered against thee [all prophets prophesied this], that say Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion." All the nations of the earth are being gathered against the United States of America, God's great Zion nation. But God goes on through His prophet, "But they know not the thoughts of The Lord, neither understand they His counsel: for He shall gather them as sheaves into the floor." Then we are ordered to battle, "Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion; for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the Lord, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth."...." All Nations To Gather Against New Jerusalem http://www.historicist.com/ojnj /ojnj7.htm Israel is the church, ALL of it, black, white, brown, etc. [Rev. 5:9-10] "Russia" is actually the "Jews" [see Gog and Magog at The Thirteenth Tribe http://biblebelievers.org] and all their fifth column, the illegal invaders. ------------------------------------------ 2Ch 20:17 — Ye shall not [need] to fight in this [battle]: set yourselves, stand ye [still], and see the salvation of the LORD with you, O Judah and Jerusalem: fear not, nor be dismayed; to morrow go out against them: for the LORD [will be] with you..... 2Ch 20:22 And when they began to sing and to praise, the LORD set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten. 2Ch 20:23 For the children of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of mount Seir, utterly to slay and destroy [them]: and when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, every one helped to destroy another. Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us? http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/2Ch/20/17.html -------------------------------------------------- Zec 9:8 And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by, and because of him that returneth: and no oppressor shall pass through them any more: for now have I seen with mine eyes. Zec 9:9 ¶ Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he [is] just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. Zec 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion [shall be] from sea [even] to sea, and from the river [even] to the ends of the earth. Zec 9:11 ¶ As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein [is] no water. Zec 9:12 Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare [that] I will render double unto thee; Zec 9:13 When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece [Homer knew them as the Tribe of Dan! - IMO, The Hidden Hand], and made thee as the sword of a mighty man. Zec 9:14 ¶ And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south. Zec 9:15 The LORD of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, [and] make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, [and] as the corners of the altar. Zec 9:16 And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they [shall be as] the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land. Zec 9:17 For how great [is] his goodness, and how great [is] his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids. http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec009.html#14 robin, I was privileged to get a glimpse of that a few years ago. I want to stick around and see it again in REAL TIME. He knows I want to see Him blast the "high towers", particularly that big, disgusting one in DC. sheesh. never knew these people to be quitters.
Cathy Garger's Response to Mr. Ruppert: Quicksand and the American Soul - Farewell to Michael C. Ruppert!
#32. To: KEN GILES and CINDY GRIFFIN, the owners of CLOWN POSSE (#0)
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#33. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#31)
Please, dear friends, do not give in to his call to bring us into hopelessness and utter despair. The Empire knows that we (the knowing and the caring) have been hit HARD. They keep SLAMMING US with one slap of horror, one after another after another. Some days, there are not even enough hours in the day to read of all the evil-doing that our so-called "leaders" are busily carrying out! It's all going quite according to plan, too... in order to demoralize us, to break down our spirits, to get us to want to skip town - to have us throw up our hands as Ruppert has done and entice us to give up - or, better yet, to leave the USA. Thanks for bringing attention to that embedded link: Cathy Garger's Response to Mr. Ruppert: Quicksand and the American Soul - Farewell to Michael C. Ruppert! http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_22782.shtml Cathy hit in on the nail. I think Ruppert's original message has been compromised, before this.
I see Ruppert as having just written the most brilliant psyops piece of all time.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#34. To: robin, all (#33)
Please, dear friends, do not give in to his call to bring us into hopelessness and utter despair. The Empire knows that we (the knowing and the caring) have been hit HARD. They keep SLAMMING US with one slap of horror, one after another after another. Some days, there are not even enough hours in the day to read of all the evil-doing that our so-called "leaders" are busily carrying out! It's all going quite according to plan, too... in order to demoralize us, to break down our spirits, to get us to want to skip town - to have us throw up our hands as Ruppert has done and entice us to give up - or, better yet, to leave the USA. I'm playing catch-up. Thank YOU for highlighting THAT! Yes. It IS all going acording to plan, BRILLIANT because it was given to Albert Pike by his spirit friend, LUCIFER, a creature of unfathomable darkness, who has a habit of appearing as an angel of LIGHT: reminder: ".....Pike was fascinated by the idea of a one-world government and ultimately he became the head of this luciferian conspiracy. Between 1859 and 1871 he, Pike, worked out a military-blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world which he considered would forward the conspiracy to its final stage in the 20th century. "World War III is to be fomented, using the so-called controversies; by the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name; that are now being stored up between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism (Israelis) will destroy each other while at the same time; the remaining nations, once more divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically...... ......Pike himself foretold all this in a statement he made to Mazzini on August 15, 1871. Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination will provoke the greatest social- cataclysm the world has ever known. Quoting his own words taken from the letter he wrote to Mazzini and which letter is now catalogued in the British Museum in London, England; he said: "We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social-cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute-atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world-minority of the world-revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal-manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time." ......Because of the corruption of Christ's teachings by the so-called Christian religions, things have never changed. It was the predecessors of the Illuminati in the Sanhedrin that had Jesus the Nazarite, the revolutionary, crucified. What have you done about it? What do you intend to do about it?...." http://usa-the- republic.com/illuminati/cfr_1.html America is the Promised Land for Christians, where the wicked ones soon will not afflict us any more. 2 Samuel 7:10; Ezekiel 11-13; John 10. Christians, and Christian America are the Bride of Christ. Isaiah 62:4/Revelation 21:2. God divorced THEM 2,000 years ago. Matthew 23:39. It is THEY who will be plucked up. Matthew 15:13. In spite of that, it sounds like a lot of folks will now just cut and run. The early church didn't have it so great either. What would Jesus have us do? IMO: Revelation - Chapter 3 Rev 3:7 ¶ And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; ¶ These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name. Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev 3:14 ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; ¶ These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
I see Ruppert as having just written the most brilliant psyops piece of all time.
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