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Title: I am Sam Danner
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Published: Aug 24, 2006
Author: Sam Danner
Post Date: 2006-08-24 20:50:21 by SamDanner
Keywords: Global Hawk, Titles-Articles, Flight 77
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Comments: 109
To the readers of this Forum. I am Sam Danner and yes I am the one that was at the Pentagon and found nothing. If you are going to argue with me then do not bother to answer this post. What I said was and is true and I will hold on to it until the day I die. I was Duped into Lying about the Pentagon crash because of goverment intimadation and extreme Pressure put on me by Family matters. I have 4 more witnesses that are coming forward to talk about this subject. One of these People is employed by the Pentagon. So I now have big time fire power to back up My story and then some. I was under extreme pressure to recant the whole Story. I have Lymphoma so I am not bothered by Death.
Russell Pickering I am sirprized at you putting the bad mouth on Myself and Eric Hufschmid. I have read your postts and you professional answers seem vague. I stand by My story as I sit here typing topic. You have too many inconsitencies in your research. People of this Forum ,it appears to me to have been a Global Hawk that hit the Pentagon. It was not an American Airlines 757-300. I can tell you that for certain. A 100 Ton Aircraft that burned so hot that the whole aircraft just melted down!! Horse Hockey!! Did you see tha terrible plane Crash in Russia 2 Days ago
Now look at those pictures. That was a plane crash. I did not see one arm rest Seat or cushion and no wings at all. Why can not people see things for what they really are? I am very sad that this happened. I ope to God in Heaven that the US goverment had nothing to do withh this. Not one Body mind you. Did they all burned up too in the blazing in ferno? BTW Mr. I was not wearing a Fake Paramedic uniform. That is what sick people do
Go to fires and talk about how brave they are. That is inmoral to say the least. And I had white shirt Goverment agents helping to pick up the little tiny pieces. Mr. researher I find your knowledge of Aircraft to be in want. For you young people do not believe what everyone saids. You even do not have to believe me. This is the United States of America. The land of the free. Samuel David Danner August 24th 2006 And you have the FREEDOM to think. Nobody can take that away.
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#55. To: SamDanner (#47)
Cool. Did you also find Barbara Olson's cell phone?
Welcome aboard! Please offer an opinion on my web site - http://home.comcast.net/~skyd
rifter/exp.htm
I remember that. I also remember something about the woman disappearing too.
I found Shredded [sic] aluminun of non-American Airline paint scheme.
#56. To: SamDanner, Christine, Neil McIver, Aristeides, Honway, all (#12)
#57. To: honway (#45)
 | What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#58. To: Kamala (#22)
Kamala, you might want to stay off of the Loose Change forums. You will get a ton of dis-info on them.
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#59. To: christine (#54)
Christine I live in fear 24/7. Sam
You are welcomed here, Sam. Rest well.
#60. To: RickyJ (#58)
Yeah ok Ricky. How about this instead, you might want to stay away from reading the LF forums, Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
#61. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#41)
People have become subjective and lost their objectivity. Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
#62. To: SamDanner (#0)
Sam, if you're telling the truth about witnessing the impact of something other than a commercial Jet I am grateful for your testimony. I personally think that Eric Hufschmid is a trouble making little punk. The debate that took place on yesterdays Michael Collins Piper program demonstrated that Hufschmid has an immature attitude and thinks this is all a game. He went so far as to say everyone in the 9-11 truth movement needs to be investigated. In my humble opinion, Hufschmid and Daryl Smith, are both agents provocateur. Daryl Smith merely regurgitates (Jew) info gleaned from others work product, and as recently as 2 years ago was calling anyone opposed to the disproportionate amount of Jew influence in the U.S. Government an "anti- semite" and "bigot". Hiding out in France, he should simply shut the fuck up. Daryl's own brother contacted Michael Collins Piper on the air and said "he wasn't surprised at all by what Daryl was doing" ... implying that Daryl is a problem child and always has been. I think Hufschmid used you Sam, as well as Chris Bollyn to support his Global Hawk theory. That wouldn't be terrible except that he went out of his way to bad mouth others that simply search for and publish their findings regarding the truth and lies of that day.
"bene orasse est bene studuisse"
to have studied well is to have prayed well
#63. To: noone222 (#62)
Anyone who sides with these two, has zero credibility. Period. Mark
In my humble opinion, Hufschmid and Daryl Smith, are both agents provocateur.
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
#64. To: Kamala (#60)
Mark You could learn a heck of a lot there. Dis-info is certainly there but at least they are for the most part not blind to Israel's roll in 9/11 like the "Loose Change" promoters are.
Yeah ok Ricky. How about this instead, you might want to stay away from reading the LF forums,
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#65. To: all (#58)
I think we might be well served to take a step back and take a deep breath before we accuse anyone of dis-info. It will all rise to the surface in time.
#66. To: SamDanner (#53)
What's the deal with the weird capitalization scheme you use? Richard W.
#67. To: Arete (#66)
Hey, he's dying of cancer, with all the drugs he is taking it's amazing he can type at all or think somewhat clearly.
What's the deal with the weird capitalization scheme you use?
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#68. To: RickyJ (#67)
Oh, I see. I didn't realize that cancer and drugs would lead to excessive but selective use of the shift key. You learn something everyday. Richard W.
Hey, he's dying of cancer, with all the drugs he is taking it's amazing he can type at all or think somewhat clearly
#69. To: Arete (#68)
Richard W. I am not saying that they do, or that he is who he says he is, or that he is telling us the truth. But until I have proof he's not telling the truth I don't mind giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Oh, I see. I didn't realize that cancer and drugs would lead to excessive but selective use of the shift key. You learn something everyday.
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#70. To: RickyJ (#69)
I had a feeling when I asked the question that it would be taken the wrong way. I really (honest) wanted to know about the capitalization scheme he uses. Nothing more than idle curiosity. I did figure though, that it wouldn't be long before someone decides to line up all the caps, strike every second or third letter and come up with a secret message. LOL Richard W.
I am not saying that they do, or that he is who he says he is, or that he is telling us the truth. But until I have proof he's not telling the truth I don't mind giving him the benefit of the doubt.
#71. To: Arete (#70)
Hey, that might be the case. I'm not really worried about it, the truth of 9/11 IMO was meant to be known to a certain extent. It's unfortunately all part of the plan.
I really (honest) wanted to know about the capitalization scheme he uses. Nothing more than idle curiosity. I did figure though, that it wouldn't be long before someone decides to line up all the caps, strike every second or third letter and come up with a secret message. LOL
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#72. To: RickyJ (#71)
that is the way I think it is too.
the truth of 9/11 IMO was meant to be known to a certain extent. It's unfortunately all part of the plan.
#73. To: RickyJ This is to the whole board (#71)
I use Capitals to accent certain thoughts in a Sentence. I am very upset and Hurt that anybody in there right mind would say tings about Chemotherpy and Drugs and How Terminal Cancer would affect My writting skills. I have Lymphoma type B Blod Cncer. Do you all think that is Funny? I get Hassled by federal agents my family is destroyed over the 9-11 issue and i come forward to tell all and have to be made fun of Capitals in E-mails and told he does that because He being me Has Cancer. Christine Help. SamDanner
I really (honest) wanted to know about the capitalization scheme he uses. Nothing more than idle curiosity. I did figure though, that it wouldn't be long before someone decides to line up all the caps, strike every second or third letter and come up with a secret message. LOL
#74. To: SamDanner (#73)
Hang in here with us, Sam. Most of us here have degrees behind our names (mainly worthless) that required us to learn how to spell, capitalize, and use correct grammar. That said, this in no way diminishes your message, or how it is presented to us. For your cancer, have you checked out http://www.coljoe.com for his cancer information? I am currently using his protocol for our family. Please keep us posted, thanks.
#75. To: SamDanner (#73)
Sometimes people don't always read the whole thread before posting. I always regret doing that. Please don't take offense at one poster's careless and unintentionally insensitive remarks.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#76. To: SamDanner (#0)
does everyone here know that the owners of Clown Posse are Ken Giles and Cindy Griffin? It's true!
#77. To: joe batters (#76)
Let's see if that works (wink)
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#78. To: robin (#77)
if you keep posting their info on this thread, maybe they will delete their thread. It worked this morning. Thanks Ken Giles and Cindy Griffin!
#79. To: Ken Giles, Cindy Griffin, owners of Clown Posse (#78)
hi guys!
#80. To: SamDanner (#73) (Edited)
I like to do deal with facts Sam. Drugs, even cancer drugs, do have side effects that can have an effect on the brain. I am sorry if me stating that offends you, I certainly didn't mean it that way. I am obviously not the only one noting that your writing style is a bit unorthodox.
I use Capitals to accent certain thoughts in a Sentence. I am very upset and Hurt that anybody in there right mind would say tings about Chemotherpy and Drugs and How Terminal Cancer would affect My writting skills. I have Lymphoma type B Blod Cncer. Do you all think that is Funny? I get Hassled by federal agents my family is destroyed over the 9-11 issue and i come forward to tell all and have to be made fun of Capitals in E-mails and told he does that because He being me Has Cancer. Christine Help. SamDanner
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#81. To: SamDanner (#73)
Question Answered. THANKS Richard W.
I use Capitals to accent certain thoughts in a Sentence
#82. To: robin (#75)
Robin: I have a Degree in Theology. I type the way I do because I am me. You were the only kind person that showed any respect for me. Thankyou. Lets get back to 9-11. I wanted to cut and Paste that saying that you always use. Where do you think that this whole thing is headed? Dylan Avery and Film crew were down here (Pentagon) the saturday before yesterday. But I will tell you something. I grew up under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). The Cuban Missle Crisis was ticking away and We were ready to launch on Russia. At that time Russia only had 21 ICBM,s. Now we have thousands all over the world. We do not need Iran to make one. Cash Strapped Russia will look the other way. Now as a Child I was in terror over One nation and a Nuclear Holocast. We will have another 9-11 Robin and I do not intentionally mean to scare everyone because lets face it we are already scared. Look at our Famous FEMA. Mississippi is a 3rd world country now. The American Goverment appears to care but it is Politics as ever before while people sill are waiting for insurance Checks. If just one Nuclear Weapon goes off in a Major City our Infrasture will just collapse. Now what do you think Robin? Bro. Sam
Sometimes people don't always read the whole thread before posting. I always regret doing that. Please don't take offense at one poster's careless and unintentionally insensitive remarks.
#83. To: SamDanner (#82)
A degree in Theology, how interesting. We have religious discussions here too; lots of varying opinions. Your early life's perspectives would be appreciated, as some believe we are turning into the USSR. That the parasite Bolsheviks have found a new host. I'm not an expert on 9/11, in fact, I was slow to realize that the govt explanation was all lies. Like von Bulow, I don't know what really happened (he said it's not his duty), but what the govt says happened is laughable. Basically, all we can do is make good guesses at what really happened. These guesses are to some extent unnecessary, in my opinion. We need to try to catch up with what they might do next. I think that's more important to identify. They would love to see us stew in the past, while they move forward, herding and ensnaring us. As you have suggested, we on this forum also believe there will probably be another 9/11. Your mention of Katrina and FEMA is timely, I'm watching CSPAN cover a book called "The Storm" by Ivor van Heerden. He was an educator at Louisiana State University who is relating some horrific info. He and his "team" tried to discover what went wrong with the levees, but were blocked by our govt, pretty much every step of the way. CDC (Center for Disease Control) did listen to him, but they were the only ones. There is a hurricane headed towards New Orleans even now. The displacement of so many Americans was a nice trial run. The govt must be pleased with how much they got away with. Of course, moving a lot of very poor, easily unaccounted for families, is different, I think, than displacing tens of thousands of middle-class. My cousin's daughter, an envirnomentalist was in New Orleans and barely made it out in their little SUV and 2 big dogs. She and her husband lost everything they owned, but they are well-off, with very well-off families. They will be fine. Their lives will continue. The poor who were shoved around like so much cattle, are not doing so well. Meanwhile, developers have new plans for New Orleans. One w/o a lot of poor Blacks. More like a Disneyland New Orleans. Sickening. FEMA certainly needed the practice. I stumbled on this article last night. Rex 84: FEMA's Blueprint for Martial Law in America We are dangerously close to a situation where ~ if the American people took to the streets in righteous indignation or if there were another 9/11 ~ a mechanism for martial law could be quickly implemented and carried out under REX 84. The Cheney/Bush administration has a plan which would accommodate the detention of large numbers of American citizens during times of emergency. The plan is called REX 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984. Through Rex-84 an undisclosed number of concentration camps were set in operation throughout the United States, for internment of dissidents and others potentially harmful to the state. The Rex 84 Program was originally established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Existence of the Rex 84 plan was first revealed during the Iran-Contra Hearings in 1987, and subsequently reported by the Miami Herald on July 5, 1987 " These camps are to be operated by FEMA should martial law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached." And there you have it ~ the real purpose of FEMA is to not only protect the government but to be its principal vehicle for martial law. This is why FEMA could not respond immediately to the Hurricane Katrina disaster ~ humanitarian efforts were no longer part of its job description under the Department of Homeland Security. It appears Hurricane Katrina also provided FEMA with an excuse to “dry run” its unconstitutional powers in New Orleans, rounding up “refugees” (now called “evacuees”) and “relocating” them in various camps. “Some evacuees are being treated as ‘internees’ by FEMA,” writes former NSA employee Wayne Madsen. “Reports continue to come into WMR that evacuees from New Orleans and Acadiana [the traditional twenty-two parish Cajun homeland] who have been scattered across the United States are being treated as ‘internees’ and not dislocated American citizens from a catastrophe" We are dangerously close to a situation where ~ if the American people took to the streets in righteous indignation or if there were another 9/11 ~ a mechanism for martial law could be quickly implemented and carried out under REX 84. Be forewarned ~ the Cheney/Bush administration will stop at nothing to preserve their power and their ongoing neocon mis-adventure and they have currently proposed having executive control over all the states National Guard troops in a national emergency. Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa, called the proposal " one step away from a complete takeover of the National Guard, the end of the Guard as a dual-function force that can respond to both state and national needs." The provision was tucked into the House version of the defense bill without notice to the states, something Vilsack said he resented as much as the proposal itself. Under the provision, the president would have authority to take control of the Guard in case of " a serious natural or manmade disaster, accident or catastrophe" in the United States. Do remember, to the Cheney/Bush administration ~ the Mob at the Gates that they truly fear is not terrorists but, instead, the people demanding the truth. REX 84 AND FEMA http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm MINDFULLY, 2004 - There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA should martial law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. . . The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons. Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation. The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold thousands of people.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#84. To: robin (#83)
Robin , What a precise answer to My post. You are %100 right in every cut and Paste and everything that you wrote young Lady. My son Matthew warned me about FEMA Protocals a couple of years ago. Concentration Camps! But after 9-11 and then after Katrina I began to see a Pattern of Goverment leadership that was like Moe larry and CurryJoe. I can still see Shepard Smith of Fox Cable News Network crying on a bridge in New Orlens there for the nation to see. Rivera also of Fox resorted to swearing at the lack of any help or support or anyone to Help. President Bush Said for all to hear Damn Good Job Browny! Damn good for what? But this pattern sticks out like the goverment wants distruction and reacts in different ways to Gage public responce. Bush could care less about BinLaden. They are not looking for him. I can not believe in 6 years how this world has changed. I can still see Bush at the WTC site with his arm around that fireman and we were in awe. Bush had his script all layed out. At that time Robin I believed still in America even though the pentagon Changed my mind,but now I do not believe in this Country as I once did. I do not know what else to say as I have to cook dinner now. Keep up the good research Robin, we will be in the same FEMA cell together. Sam
REX 84 AND FEMA
#85. To: SamDanner (#84)
They had us all fooled for a short time. "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." -- Abraham Lincoln A poster here, aristeides, says it is better to be part of the oppressed than the oppressors. A purist attitude, but I must admit that he's right. However, I like to think that the oppressed have options. Have you seen the movie "'V' for Vendetta"?
I can not believe in 6 years how this world has changed. I can still see Bush at the WTC site with his arm around that fireman and we were in awe. Bush had his script all layed out.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#86. To: robin (#85)
Robin Check your mail. I remember in 1968 a close encounter with a Reichstag style issue. Robin I think about that all of the time. In 1968 Martin Luther King was Killed. The country went Berserk! My father worked in Washington DC at the Federal post office. He was Trapped there for a whole week. Poor Minorities Burned the city of Washington DC for as much to show there rage but as I grew older I compare that to a Reichstag type deal in a vague sense. There was Martial law and My Father who is now deceased I Heard say to my mother that to live in the city at that time one should have been paid combat pay. In a Present day Reichstag senerio We are short of Natioal Guard troops big time. You will have alot of Wacos and Ruby ridges but all out Fema Camps the goverment is not prepared for. Civil war and Chaos would be the imediate thing. This is My opinion only. Well it is time for sleep. I get up in the Middle of the night. Cheers Sam
They had us all fooled for a short time.
#87. To: SamDanner (#86)
I forgot about the 60s, but then it only affected a minority of the population. It will be interesting to see what happens. I actually expect a lot of law and order, injustice of course, but order.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#88. To: Robin and Christine (#87)
Robin: I can not sleep. The 1960,s changed the way we live today. We had Free Love and nobody marries today. We had Hanoi Jane Fonda sitting on a North Vietnamise anti aircraft gun. That was nice. We have Legal abortion now because of Gloria Steim and Row VS Wade. We were the 1st on the Moon in 1969. We had Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Gerald Ford. Boy they ran a real good war for the good old usa and America was spelled Amerika. Revolution was a common word. The Beatles ruled the Music world as none other and can not be matched today. We had Ban the Bra Movement in our Hippie world. It was a new age that was expected to come and what happened? We were sent home from Vietnam and spit on at airports and called Baby Killers and on and on. The movie Rambo Frist Blood came out and that is exactly the way I feel today. No My friends it did not affect a minority of the population. It affected the whole United States. And the United States affected the whole world. This Country was a Leader. Guess What nation in 1960 produced the most oil. Yep, Good old United States of America. Those were days that set the decay that has everyone wondering what is going on. I loved John Lenon,s world .He wrote Imagine. Think about this. Sam
To: SamDanner I forgot about the 60s, but then it only affected a minority of the population. It will be interesting to see what happens. I actually expect a lot of law and order, injustice of course, but order.
#89. To: SamDanner (#88)
were we, Sam? ;) watch this when you can't sleep--->A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon
We were the 1st on the Moon in 1969.
"Freedom4um" -- The Forum for Real Americans and where America and Americans are always First!
#90. To: lodwick (#74)
To Lodwick: Thankyou for your Cancer site that you sent me to. It is different. I am not a big fan to Chemotherapy. Having Lymphoma is no fun. I have a full time Job for a Large company and I work a full day everyday. But after I get My car paid off I am declaring Bankrupcy. Cancer and 9/11 have taken me out. Sam
For your cancer, have you checked out http://www.coljoe.com for his cancer information? I am currently using his protocol for our family.
#91. To: christine (#89)
Christine; I know ALOT of webmasters that swear we were never there. I have never really researched the Issue. Give me your best info. Thanks Sam
--->A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon
#92. To: SamDanner (#88)
I agree Sam, I was just referring back to your post about Martial Law in DC.
It affected the whole United States.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#93. To: SamDanner (#91)
evenin' sam, start with the two articles i posted here--->http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=31636 and then watch that video. let me know what you think.
"Freedom4um" -- The Forum for Real Americans and where America and Americans are always First!
#94. To: IndieTX (#4)
And you have the FREEDOM to think. Nobody can take that away. Welcome Sam. You're in friendly territory! Am I in Friendly turf? No Shills here I hope. Good night for sure Sam Danner
To: SamDanner
#95. To: christine (#93)
Christine: I am going to get on this one Thankyou for the site.<3Sam
evenin' sam, start with the two articles i posted here--->http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=31636
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