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Title: Bigotry and Ignorance of Islam
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URL Source: http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=9608
Published: Aug 29, 2006
Author: Charley Reese
Post Date: 2006-08-29 04:17:53 by Zoroaster
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August 29, 2006 Bigotry and Ignorance of Islam by Charley Reese President George Bush's ignorance of the Middle East and its people is well-known. So also is his habit of parroting words and sentences given to him by other people. He hit a new low when he referred to "Islamic fascists." No two more opposite concepts are to be found. Fascism glorifies the nation-state; Islam is transnational. Fascism demands slavish devotion to a national leader; Muslims are far too independent-minded to be slavish followers of anybody. Virtually all the people Saddam Hussein murdered were people trying to overthrow him. Fascism is militaristic. Islam is not. Mr. Bush, who has dubbed himself the "war president," has made a pathetic and absurd effort to picture himself as Winston Churchill facing off against evil. He is no Churchill. Most of the enemies he imagines, he has created himself. The West faces no threat from Islam. Islam is one of the fastest-growing religions in the world, but it really is a religion of peace. More importantly, it is a religion that concentrates on individual salvation. There is no Muslim pope, no College of Cardinals, no bishops, no priesthood. Any five Muslims anywhere in the world can start their own mosque. Imams are teachers and, like Protestant preachers or Jewish rabbis, can be fired by their congregation. The Shi'ite version is slightly more organized. A fatwa is a statement issued by an imam, usually explanatory. It is similar to statements issued by the pope, with this important difference: No Muslim is bound by any fatwa. Muslims are free to pay attention to it or to ignore it. Islam, like Christianity, is a universal religion that ignores nationality, race or color. To become a Muslim, one must profess belief in one God, acknowledge Muhammad as his prophet, recognize the Quran as the word of God, pray five times a day, provide for the poor and, if possible, make a trip to Mecca once in your lifetime. The God Muslims worship is the same God Christians and Jews worship. To dispose of some of the slanderous misstatements being floated about, Islam forbids forced conversions. People would do well to read some history rather than rely on ignorant and malicious radio and TV talk-show hosts. The oldest Christian communities in the world are all in Muslim countries. There have always been Christian and Jewish communities in the Muslim world. Muslims are commanded to treat Christians and Jews as they would treat themselves. They revere Jesus as a prophet and highly respect the Virgin Mary. The disputes you see in the modern Middle East are not religious; they are all about secular matters, principally Israeli occupation of Arab lands. The Arabs see Israel as the last European colonialist state imposed on them by the European powers. That's true, in fact. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are concerned only with ending Israeli occupation of Palestine. Hezbollah is concerned with ending Israeli occupation of Lebanon. Al-Qaeda wants to overthrow the Persian Gulf governments and is at war with us because we are the principal backers and supporters of those governments. Al-Qaeda alone is most un-Islamic and has been so labeled by a majority of Muslims. It is a small group. If you wish to understand Islam, turn off your TV and go to the library. Introduce yourself to some of America's 6 million Muslims. You'll find them to be very decent and patriotic people. There are some fanatics among Muslims, just as there are among Jews and Christians. Most of the New England states were originally populated by people fleeing Puritan rule in Massachusetts. The way to combat the fanatics is to extend the hand of friendship to ordinary Muslims and to protest the slander and libel of Muslims and Islam, just as you should protest the slander and libel of Jews and other groups. Bigotry should have no place in our public dialogue, regardless of the target. It's obvious that President Bush will never understand the world into which he was born, but most Americans have more open minds – except, of course, those who prefer to click their heels and salute when their Fuehrer of choice speaks.
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#30. To: robin (#29)
I think the lesson is that this has been going on since the dawn of time, or the dawn of being kicked out of Eden anyway, when Cain and Able discovered farming.
My name is Michael Joseph McCarthy and I have been open about who I am since I first started posting on boards since the mid nineties. I am also a forest activist and was nearly killed when I was assaulted by a security guard trying to stop one of my many non-violent civil disobedient acts of protest I am infamous for locally. I am also an Army veteran of nine years, and I made it through the Special Forces Qualification course and went to GHW Bush's war in Panama. Try again. There is not a thing anonymous about me.
...as long as one of them was able. (sorry, that's a really old and bad joke)
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Okay, so this board meets your qualification of fighting with every fiber?
No, this board is one of several I post on and serve as great practice for real life activism. I do not need them to do what I do. I also am the whistle blower who startd the ball rolling to end Nader's initiative petition campaign here in Oregon when the Republican paid for effort employed a company that hired junkies and street people who did rather heavy fraud to get the signatures they needed to get paid the amount of money they wanted to get. I don't need these boards, and if you want to research this, go ahead. My name was mentioned in the first Oregonian pieces on the failed Nader campaign, and if you asked the Register Guard in Eugene for articles about me or mentioning me you would get a thick file. I am well known locally, and it isn't for posting on these boards.
OKAY, so keeping Nader off the ballot in OR constitutes fighting with every fiber? You were duped before to fight for the King's Army...have you renounced your pension?
LOL, yup, it's been downhill ever since. Tis our fallen nature.
That's what worries me. The moral and just christians (about 1 out of every 20) have been fighting what I would call the biblical-industial (instead of a military-industrial) complex for centuries without much result. "Yes, I'm killing these savages for the Lord! I'm doing God's work by shooting these indian women and children in the back." "Yes , lads. Get over there to help out the Brits and French; and kill the evil Hun for the Glory of Jesus! Now let us pray for a victory over a foe that posed no threat to us." Religion of peace - There is no such thing, anywhere...ever. From the Jihadists in Iraq killing women who don't cover their face to Southern Baptists that remind their kids 10 times a day that if they dare enjoy life they'll burn in hell forever; It's all the same junk. And no, I'm not letting atheists off the hook either. Thinking you're God isn't exactly a good state of mind either. Someone please perfect inter-planitary travel so I can leave this mudhole behind.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
I don't know of what pension you are speaking of. I do know my political efficacy has cost me opportunity and money, so I don't see your point. I do what I do and say what I say because I believe it and what I believe I will fight to defend. I also realize I am only human, and thus not always right and sometimes I do foolish things. So it goes. The only 'sin' I could see that would be intolerable to me I try to avoid is to take myself too seriously and to be intolerant of others' views and belief systems so much I would seek their eradication. You therefore are over the top in calling for Islam's destruction. If one major faith were to be destroyed or oppressed out of this country, that would only be the beginning. Because banning and oppressing things is a process that is addictive, there is never enough of it for those who want it, and it leads to a corruption of the spirit and soul that is unacceptable or remotely tolerable to endure.
When did I call for Islam's destruction? You over use and reliance of hyperbole neuters you to be any sort of effective spokesperson for liberty, regardless of what you think liberty is. Having served the King's Army, you should be off in the mountains of Tibet or doing acts of penance to make things right between you and Karma/God, not violating perfectly good property right laws or keeping Nader of the ballot.
Heh, think I've read ya enough to know your brand of intolerence involves wishing death and silence from those with whom you disagree. ;-D From LP:72. To: freedomcat (#51) Please, you have as much credibility on this board as BeAChooser. Why you bother pinging me is a sign of your testicular lacking. Hurry up and die already, freak. JohnGalt posted on 2006-07-13 18:20:33 ET Reply Trace
JohnGalt posted on 2006-06-01 19:05:42 ET Reply Trace 61. To: cribar (#60) Oh sorry, I should explain, baring false witness is a sin in the civilization I come from. That is great that you agree with a Commie Muslim about an American Rightwinger. I am not sure what point you are trying to prove when I am just calling you a wuss for not admitting you are some sort of Commie, albeit perhaps a moderate Commie instead of a radical as it appears you have a job. JohnGalt posted on 2006-06-01 19:50:14 ET Reply Trace I read you well, and I know you want Islam out of the U.S. totally and unconditionally. You want them contained, controlled and ... how does a 'he- man' like you always metaphorically put it? Oh yes, neutered, you want them neutered, and only pragmatism precludes you from fully and in an unabashed manner calling for Islam's utter annihilation.
Mike's being disingenuous. He supports the ADL, a group that's long supported the destruction of Islam through its backing of the "War on Terror". The WoT is little more than a war on Islam and Arabs.
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
"Paranoia will destroy ya" to quote the Doors. Your deeply ingrained hatreds and paranoia had you convinced I was an ADL operative too. I support the ADL's good work, and disagree with them where I take exception to their policies and belief system. Thanks for sharing Blue, you are a continual source of entertainment and mirth for me, appreciate it. ;-D
The Kinks not The Doors. My goodness.
You've never been able to name their "good work". Please do so. What, exactly, has the ADL done for America and Americans? The ADL has been on a 50-year anti-Arab campaign here in America, all the while accusing Muslims of doing exactly what the Zionists were doing. you are a continual source of entertainment and mirth for me I'm glad you can be amused by accounts of the destruction of Liberty that the ADL has engaged in for 93 years. Their first act was to impose a censorship board in Chicago.
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
That is patently absurd. I do want Islam out of the US, as you put it, that doesn't follow I want genocide. Those replies without any context, a typical Commie trait FYI, were in regards to a poster who attempted to slander Justin Raimondo (have you heard of him) by posting an article from Stephen Schwartz, a Commie and a Muslim, who spews hate on http://Frontpagemag.com, a site that is probably close to your worldview.
It's all self evident enough I don't need to display or articulate it. Your shrillness and humorless one track mind has you pointlessly tracking a course in a tight circle, so you don't need my efforts to prove you are your own worst enemy. To your credit, you have provided me with information I am grateful for. To your detriment, you have let hatred blind you utterly to any good in regards to Israel or Jews. I would never bozo you because you are a fun read and occasionally have valuble things to say. Conversely I will not engage in pointless and circular debate with you because you never listen, and you would die before admitting there was any good in anything you are utterly opposed to. Again, thanks for sharing. ;-D
Well I am glad to hear it. Because the U.S. is not an Islamic, Jewish or Christian nation. And all religions here add to our civilization. Iraq in particular plays an interesting role in Western Civilization in that the land between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers - 'the fertile Crescent' - is the 'cradle of Western Civilization.' That Bush has invaded Mesopotamia and pretend that he in fact is not what he is, the barbarian at the gate is ironic and comedic, as well as highly tragic.
It once was an Anglo-Celtic nation with some Dutch and Germans, the historical colonies that is. You say all these religions add to our civilization...what civilization are you talking about? Britney Spears? Coke or Pepsi? Bud or Coors? Stripmalls? Rs and Ds? What the hell are you talking about? I will tell you what is ironic...a trained killer in the Kings Army in pretending to be an adovacte of peace by promoting One-Worldism.
You can never go home again, into that time and place where your idealistic benchmark - as you perceive it - lays. And it's not just the core premise of Thomas Wolf's classic "Look Homeward Angel" that shows us this is so. This was also once home to many groupings of indigenous people who were kept separate by geographical divides and barriers that precluded the spread of a monolithic culture as that which emanated from Mesopotamia and spread far and wide to become what is called "Wester Civilization." The fact that ours ultimately prevailed in this hemisphere is largely a result of advantages given us by geography and superior development in the art of war making, not because 'God is on our side.' You allude to the symptoms of unchecked capital development, where people and consumers are made to serve the engine of capitalism, but you don't give me much anchor to your point. Not one that I can take and turn into a coherent response to your vague and generalistic concerns about the shape and direction of our culture. What the hell are any of us in here talking about? Usually it is about the same thing; concerns about tyranny and greed, wrongs and outrages, the need for government that serves the will and needs of the people. We often do not concur on solutions, not even in our definitions of things. But it is a good thing we engage in discourse about these things. Not that we will ever solve everything wrong with today's world, but it at least helps to give hope, especially when it aids and abets the emergence of a solution to part of what ails us.
My question: What, exactly, has the ADL done for America and Americans? Ferret Mike's answer: It's all self evident enough I don't need to display or articulate it. Spoken like a true believer. you never listen I used to be a pro-ADL supporter of Israel. I was raised to be such. Part of being an adult is always being willing to re-examine what you THINK you know. When you can honestly assess what you think you know, then you have the right to tell me that I "don't listen". I've learned what I've learned by listening.
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
Me too. My mother still sends Morris Dees (Southern Poverty Law Center) a check a couple times a year. I think the name has her confused.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Yet you support Israel. Hilarious.
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
I support that country's right to exist. I do not support all of the policies and actions taken by them currently over the years. You on the other hand salivate like Pavlov's dogs when the country is mentioned. Nothing about it is good, and you feel great about your black and white outlook on things. You are welcome to that, because I will continue to view the world in all it's various shades of gray and take Israel to task for the bad things it does, and support them when they get it right for a change. ;-) In any event, came across this at LP, perhaps you would like to answer Goldi's questions. I was thinking of threading it, but as this topic is where you generally live, I will leave it to you to answer her or not, and present it in whatever manner you want to. In any event, I found this post by her to be highly amusing: Did Clinton force Israel to let Mohammed Atta go free? Terrorist pilot Mohammed Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners". However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands. The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released. Thus Mohammed Atta was freed and eventually thanked the US by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center. This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified. It was censored in the US from all later reports. Why shouldn't Americans know the real truth?" http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=156996&Disp=0 ping to my last post with Goldi's question. It is something recent departees from that venue might find interesting too.
"You can never go home again, into that time and place where your idealistic benchmark - as you perceive it - lays."
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
As Fox, CNN, etc. are Zionist-controlled entities, I think we have to ask why they kiboshed the story.
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
Exactly. And we can't give the U.S. back to the Indians, and the original motivations and reasons for Israel's birth are still sound, whatever the problems with the current leadership there, or in the U.S. We cannot go back to pre-Israel times, regardless of what you might wish.
I don't buy the theory of a monolithic "Zionist conspiracy." The problems of those news outlets are far more complex then that, and some of them are problems that have dogged the coverage of news in the media such before the times of Fred Friendly - or Walter Cronkite for those who do not remember Mr. Friendly.
Taking land away from Arabs and giving it to European and American Jews isn't a sound motivation no matter how you try to justify it to yourself.
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
As you also can't specifically name the "good work" that the ADL does, though you claim it exists, what you buy and sell is open to question.
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
Taking land from native Americans and giving it to Europeans and others isn't justifiable in any realm where justice lives. The entire process and events creating it was long and complex, much as the history that created the modern state of Israel. Amputating Israel from existence would cause chaos, death, maiming and injustice far greater then it's continued existence. And the problems with borders and oppressions of peoples in that part of the world are far older then the Jewish state, and involve more victims, real or perceived. I continue to see no real over-riding problem with their existence or creation as a country; and I see your desired solution to be a cure worse to any possible affliction involved in Israel's existence.
Well, she starts with "IS THIS TRUE?", and I don't know. Because it comes from her, and given her bias, I'd have to say probably not. But suppose it is? Suppose one of the 9-11 hijackers was released by Israel at the insistence of Clinton. There were 20 others, and most of them undoubtedly had "proven" themselves prior to being selected for their martyrdom assignment. That's the way things go, sometimes. I have a problem with Israel in several areas. I don't like that they have a powerful lobby that affects our internal politics. I don't like that we pay them money. I don't like that they use weapons we paid for to destroy infrastructure that we paid for and are then tasked to pay to replace. They make awful damn free with our money. I don't like that they sit on 200 nukes and supposedly the 4th most powerful military in the world and play victim. I don't like the way they targeted civilians in Lebanon (and for you Israelobots, let's don't fucking play pretend, huh?). I don't like the way our foreign policy cowtows to them. Let me put it plain. I live in Lubbock, Texas, a 200,000 population red city in the red, red heart of a red state. I'm a blue liberal. I'd rather see the entire nation of Israel annihilated than see red Republican Lubbock, with a hundredth of the population, annihilated. Down the road there's a town called Crosbyton, population 12,000 plus or minus. They don't produce anything in abundance except ignorance. I'd rather lose Israel than lose Crosbyton. Between here and Crosbyton is Ralls, population 600 give or take. I'd rather lose Israel than Ralls. Why? Because I'm an American. The people in Lubbock, Crosbyton and Ralls are Americans. Does Israel have a "right" to exist? Sure, just like anybody else. Do they have a greater right to exist than anyone else? Absolutely not. Do I favor Americans over Israelis? I sure do. And I'm sick and tired of them fucking up our country. No more aid to Israel, no more wars on their behalf, no more entangling alliance. It's time to cut the strings and let them fly on their own. If they make it, great. If they don't, them's the breaks.
Heh, good post. OK, you can stay here, you just had me in stitches. ;-D
Agreed. That we've already learned that lesson makes the Zionist imposition on the Arabs twice the sin that it already is. I see your desired solution My desired solution is to keep nutjob Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious freaks out of the US government.
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
100% agreement. That our resident ADL symp finds this funny is telling.
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
Well, like ferret, I really don't have much of a problem with the ADL until recently. They have done good things in terms of pointing out bigotry against others besides Jews, too. Lately they've taken to calling any criticism of Israel "anti-Semitism", which I find offensive. He may have thought my post was sarcastic, as I have a tendency to do that (take an extreme position I disagree with to a ridiculous extreme). What may have not dawned on him was that I'm not kidding. Israel is a great country. And it ain't worth the blood of a single American.
The ADL exists to cause anti-semitism and bigotry. The goals of Zionism can't be realized until Jews are pushed into Israel by feeling uncomfortable in other countries. The ADL is following the plan of Herzl to a T. I've done a lot of research into the ADL's unvarnished history as well as the history of its parent group, B'nai B'rith. If you like, I'll gladly point you in the direction of my research, some of which is posted on this board.
"We can make a natural alliance through the ownership of the great industries of the world and through the sharing of their profits." -Lord Charles Beresford, in a 1903 speech to the (Anglo-American-Jewish) Pilgrims Society.
Goodstuff.
#31. To: JohnGalt (#26)
"That is lie. You post on an anon posting board and if you call that fighting with every fiber of your being, you are a simple chickenhawk."
#32. To: JohnGalt (#30)
I think the lesson is that this has been going on since the dawn of time, or the dawn of being kicked out of Eden anyway, when Cain and Able discovered farming.
#33. To: Ferret Mike (#31)
#34. To: JohnGalt (#33)
(Edited)
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
#36. To: robin (#32)
#37. To: Zoroaster (#0)
Islam, like Christianity...
#38. To: JohnGalt (#35)
"OKAY, so keeping Nader off the ballot in OR constitutes fighting with every fiber? You were duped before to fight for the King's Army...have you renounced your pension?"
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#38)
#40. To: JohnGalt (#39)
When did I call for Islam's destruction?
#41. To: JohnGalt (#39)
58. To: cribar (#55) This is not a Muslim country. It's traditions are incompatible with the Islamic religion. You hate the traditions of your country by promoting how many nice Muslims you know. You are a radical Commie, who thanks to Jorge probably thinks he might possibly be on the Right because he doesn't like the deficit. How lame does it get?
#42. To: JohnGalt, Ferret Mike (#39)
#43. To: bluegrass (#42)
"Mike's being disingenuous. He supports the ADL, a group that's long supported the destruction of Islam through its backing of the "War on Terror". The WoT is little more than a war on Islam and Arabs."
#44. To: Ferret Mike (#43)
#45. To: Ferret Mike (#43)
I support the ADL's good work
#46. To: Ferret Mike (#41)
#47. To: bluegrass (#45)
"You've never been able to name their "good work". Please do so. What, exactly, has the ADL done for America and Americans?"
#48. To: JohnGalt (#46)
"That is patently absurd. I do want Islam out of the US, as you put it, that doesn't follow I want genocide."
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#48)
Because the U.S. is not an Islamic, Jewish or Christian nation.
#50. To: JohnGalt (#49)
"It once was an Anglo-Celtic nation with some Dutch and Germans, the historical colonies that is. You say all these religions add to our civilization...what civilization are you talking about? Britney Spears? Coke or Pepsi? Bud or Coors? Stripmalls? Rs and Ds?"
#51. To: Lady X, noone 222, Brian S, christine, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Ferret Mike, Brian S, Jethro Tull, Tauzero, Red Jones, mugwort, Peetie Wheatstraw, HOUNDDAWG, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, tom007, aristeides, Eoghan, SKYDRIFTER, Cynicom, *Hasbarfa (#47)
#52. To: bluegrass (#51)
I was raised to be such
#53. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
You can never go home again, into that time and place where your idealistic benchmark - as you perceive it - lays.
#54. To: bluegrass (#53)
(Edited)
"IS THIS TRUE???
#55. To: All, bluedogtxn, aristeides, leveller, JohnGalt, BrianS (#54)
#56. To: Ferret Mike (#54)
I support that country's right to exist.
#57. To: Ferret Mike (#54)
It was censored in the US from all later reports.
#58. To: bluegrass (#56)
"You can never go home again, into that time and place where your idealistic benchmark - as you perceive it - lays."
#59. To: bluegrass (#57)
"As Fox, CNN, etc. are Zionist-controlled entities, I think we have to ask why they kiboshed the story."
#60. To: Ferret Mike (#58)
the original motivations and reasons for Israel's birth are still sound
#61. To: Ferret Mike (#59)
I don't buy the theory of a monolithic "Zionist conspiracy."
#62. To: bluegrass (#60)
"Taking land away from Arabs and giving it to European and American Jews isn't a sound motivation no matter how you try to justify it to yourself."
#63. To: Ferret Mike (#55)
ping to my last post with Goldi's question. It is something recent departees from that venue might find interesting too.
#64. To: bluedogtxn (#63)
#65. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
Taking land from native Americans and giving it to Europeans and others isn't justifiable in any realm where justice lives.
#66. To: bluedogtxn (#63)
#67. To: bluedogtxn (#63)
It's time to cut the strings and let them fly on their own. If they make it, great. If they don't, them's the breaks.
#68. To: bluegrass (#67)
100% agreement. That our resident ADL symp finds this funny is telling.
#69. To: bluedogtxn (#68)
They have done good things in terms of pointing out bigotry against others besides Jews, too.
#70. To: Ferret Mike (#54)
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