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Title: Great Keith Olberman rant - Slams Rumsfeld but good :)
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Published: Sep 1, 2006
Author: Keith Oberman
Post Date: 2006-09-01 18:01:02 by Jethro Tull
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#33. To: Cynicom (#31)
His last book was the Greatest Generation?, a theme Tom Brokow also finished his career with.
Growing up we had a copy on one of the bookshelves at home; I remember reading it.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Nothing could rival his "Third Reich" work. That was thing I learned from his book. Pay attention to what the speaker is saying, not "how" he is saying it. Big difference and I never forgot it. I watched Bobby Kennedy at a whistlestop campaign trip.. Afterwards I asked a very enthused lady what he had to say as she was leaving. Her answer, "I dont know what he said but he said it well"... Kennedy became senator from NY.
I was drawn to this thread while reading another poster's email to me at home. I have read the entire thread and my comment is merely, "Age brings history, if you retain your memory!" You and I have lived long enough to know who Edward R. Murrow REALLY was ... and anyone quoting that man's words is not to be believed on any level.
Murrow had an FBI file.
Reminds me somehow of that fun saying "Tell it to the Marines!"; it's all in the delivery, and timing. Maybe we need to generate some new phrases, for our dubious future.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers As a test, if you listened to the tape, and then read the transcript, did you have the same reaction??????
i can see that one is at a major disadvantage from having failed history in high school. ;)
No, of course not! The words are strong and clear. He was flippant and sarcastic. It was a beautiful twist on Rumsfeld's failed attempt to make us all enablers to the terrorists, blind to the enormous evil war machine in the middle-east. It might have worked 4 years ago, but 4 years ago they had the support of most Americans.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers When u read it, you have time to pause and consider, and perhaps detect half truth or omission. With live broadcast, he hurries u from one point to another as he does not want u to consider or think about what was said.
Just as Hitler did, no difference. I didn't give him enough credit to be that smart. But it was a rousing delivery that's for sure. After reading this thread, I thought you were going to get him for other governments complicity in re-arming Germany. That they are being given a pass. Much like the arms that found their way into Iraq at the start of it. So I wonder, why DID he leave the bit out?
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
That too, and we've come to expect witty, wry humor from Olberman, not a truly serious take.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers What a learning experience this thread has been. I'm going to the garage to build an effigy of Olberman. ;)
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Jesse...thanks for posting the transcript.... Picture Olberman in uniform, behind a lectern...would you have been a little scared of his delivery? Not the content, just his delivery???
MUHAHAHAHAHA ... Can I help????
Jesse.. Sins of omission. Without the internet we would have little recourse to his rabid rantings. I and most here dislike Rumsfeld, Bush and the rest, but we keep it in proper context and understanding. Invoking Hitler at every turn, Nixon, McCarthy etc means you have nothing to carry your own ideas, you have to drag along others to carry the moment.
BTW, there's another earlier thread with the transcript:
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Christine: Let what you read on your own site be the lesson that causes you now to pursue history. At an age, I might add, that you can appreciate its importance. (History ALWAYS repeats itself.) There are some excellent posters here, with good recall and/or sources for history that is omitted/disallowed on other sites like FR and LP. Hopefully, the interrupters do NOT interfere with that which is made available here.
People who disagree are allowed to debate, and indeed we do not agree on everything. But trolls, shills and disrupters are not here long.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers My HS history never got close to WW 1 much less WW11. A little odd, is it not, that the biggest events of the century are totally ignored by HS history classes?
i know and i treasure them too.
As do I, Christine.
Just as Hitler did, no difference. Who would have thought, Olbermann...another "great man"???
FDR said one thing that was truthful..he said something to the effect that..."Events that seemed to happen were a long time in planning".. Think of that in terms of WW1 and WW2.
Not mine! WWII and the Holocaust are taught throughout the Los Angeles Unified City School District, trust me. They may never learn to calculate the interest they will one day pay for their cars, but they know all about those years, and what happened in a few evil places in europe. Schoolchildren may not know their own family's history, but they know all about other people's history. sidenote: My 19 year old tells me that the History Channel is referred to as the Hitler Channel by his age mates.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Wellllllllllll, it depends. If he were screetching at me in another language, then yes. But, I have come to expect screaming now, after 6 years of polarizing rhetoric paraded before us as political debate. I tune OUT their blatent tricks to rile me around their fires. I can't stand it. If I see it on TV, hear it on radio, I turn it off. With all the spittin' that AlGore did, and you knew he was serious because he turned red, I equate spitting screeds with insanity. I take your point seriously though. The political climate has numbed me, but not dumbed me.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
LOL! Be sure to bring some pitchforks and torches. ;)
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
i recall only the ancient world history. jeez, was it boring and so irrelevant to my life. the text book was 5 inches thick and heavy. you know, i still have a recurrent nightmare that i'm at school, have a world history test and i'm lost in the hallways and can't find the classroom! i wake in a cold sweat. :P
They fade eventually, give it another 7 years ;P
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers It was true... I forget the mans name that took Hitler in tow in the 1920s and taught him how to project himself onto the audience, not what he had to say. Hitler mastered it as we all have seen.
That is an EXCELLENT point Cyni. I think I FINALLY take the point here. We'll not know if he was unable or unwilling to bring his own thoughts for debate to the table.. as he cheats his audience by using flashcards, they will they fill in, with their own meaning.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=33630&Disp Thanks Robin! Great comments on that thread too...
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
And then think of that in terms of what we are seeing now, both in Iraq and in Lebanon with Hezbowlalalala.
Now that is funny, humorous, knee slapper, a real laffer. Conscience is working at night.
sidenote: My 19 year old tells me that the History Channel is referred to as the Hitler Channel by his age mates. The one year my children went to public school, I was in the hall and noticed a door decorated with, O, ten national flags. US, Italy etc, and the Israel flag. There was a little commotion as the speaker of the day was an elderly Jewish gentleman comming to lecture the students on the Holocaust. I wonder if Eagleview Middle School in Colorado Springs would allow a Plaestine flag on their door, or allow her to speak to the students their??
Not even if half the students were Palestinian refugees.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers yeah, i hate when that happens. ;)
I agree. I thought of asking the teacher where the Palestine flag was, and where the Arab side of things were going to be shown, but the several cop cars that are now attatched out side of all schools deterred me. Shold have bitched a fit, I guess, but had a roof to patch, or something. All the teacher had to do was to say I was a terrorist. (She was a Barney the Purple dinosaur Ninney, BTW).
I have young friend that teaches High School history, or whatever they call it nowadays. When he is lecturing about some personality of the past, he tries to costume himself as that character and carry himself as such. The kids DO learn and he has little classroom disruption.
The good teachers are sadly outnumbered.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#34. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#31)
"The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
His last book was the Greatest Generation?,
#36. To: Cynicom (#32)
You get an A+...
#37. To: Phant2000 (#36)
Edward R. Murrow REALLY was
#38. To: Cynicom (#35)
(Edited)
That was thing I learned from his book. Pay attention to what the speaker is saying, not "how" he is saying it. Big difference and I never forgot it.
#39. To: robin (#38)
; it's all in the delivery, and timing.
#40. To: Phant2000, Cynicom (#36)
#41. To: Cynicom (#39)
#42. To: robin (#41)
No, of course not!
#43. To: Cynicom (#28)
With his tone, Oberman, knew what he was doing. He conned people.
#44. To: Cynicom (#42)
#45. To: Phant2000 (#36)
You and I have lived long enough to know who Edward R. Murrow REALLY was ... and anyone quoting that man's words is not to be believed on any level.
#46. To: jessejane (#43)
So I wonder, why DID he leave the bit out?
#47. To: jessejane (#45)
I'm going to the garage to build an effigy of Olberman
#48. To: All (#46)
So I wonder, why DID he leave the bit out?
#49. To: Cynicom, jessejane (#46)
#50. To: christine (#40)
"... major disadvantage from having failed history ..."
#51. To: Phant2000 (#50)
Hopefully, the interrupters do NOT interfere with that which is made available here.
#52. To: christine (#40)
i can see that one is at a major disadvantage from having failed history in high school. ;)
#53. To: Phant2000 (#50)
There are some excellent posters here, with good recall and/or sources for history
#54. To: christine (#53)
i know and i treasure them too.
#55. To: Cynicom (#28)
With his tone, Oberman, knew what he was doing. He conned people.
#56. To: tom007 (#52)
My HS history never got close to WW 1 much less WW11.
#57. To: tom007 (#52)
#58. To: Cynicom (#46)
Picture Olberman in uniform, behind a lectern...would you have been a little scared of his delivery? Not the content, just his delivery???
#59. To: Phant2000 (#47)
MUHAHAHAHAHA ... Can I help????
#60. To: tom007 (#52)
#61. To: christine (#60)
i still have a recurrent nightmare that i'm at school, have a world history test and i'm lost in the hallways and can't find the classroom!
#62. To: Brian S (#55)
Just as Hitler did, no difference.
#63. To: Cynicom (#48)
means you have nothing to carry your own ideas, you have to drag along others to carry the moment.
#64. To: robin (#49)
To: Cynicom, jessejane BTW, there's another earlier thread with the transcript:
#65. To: Cynicom (#56)
Think of that in terms of WW1 and WW2.
#66. To: christine (#60)
i'm lost in the hallways and can't find the classroom! i wake in a cold sweat. :P
#67. To: robin (#57)
Not mine! WWII and the Holocaust are taught throughout the Los Angeles Unified City School District, trust me. They may never learn to calculate the interest they will one day pay for their cars, but they know all about those years, and what happened in a few evil places in europe. Schoolchildren may not know their own family's history, but they know all about other people's history.
#68. To: tom007 (#67)
I wonder if Eagleview Middle School in Colorado Springs would allow a Palestine flag on their door, or allow her to speak to the students their??
#69. To: Cynicom (#66)
Conscience is working at night.
#70. To: robin (#68)
Not even if half the students were Palestinian refugees.
#71. To: robin (#68)
Not even if half the students were Palestinian refugees.
#72. To: Cynicom, tom007 (#71)
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