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Title: Open Thread: Government 911 Misinformation Website
Source: State Department
URL Source: http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/d ... 060828133846esnamfuaK0.2676355
Published: Sep 3, 2006
Author: Me
Post Date: 2006-09-03 11:55:54 by Horse
Keywords: 911, Disinformation
Views: 1476
Comments: 53

The State Department has a web page dedicated to what it calls correcting the misinformation of homegrown 911 conspiracy theorists. I would like to open a thread to those of us in the 911 Truth movement who might like to use their web page for target practice. They float some easy targets. According to them, anyone who believes Flight 93 was shot down is some kind of whack job. Does this include Donald Rumsfeld who admitted it was shot down? And they further state that the planes could not have been remotely controlled. The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology did a DNA study of the remains of everyone on Flight 77 which is alleged to have hit the Pentagon. They found no Arab DNA. So State must also be condemning AFIP as wing nuts. Might as well throw in the FBI which said there is no evidence that Osama had anything to do with 911.

Of course we could start an entire website with salient information the State Department never tried to refute.

The main page for disinformation is here: http://usinfo.state.gov/media/misinformation.html If you click on the link to Depleted Uranium, you will read that there are no adverse health effects from DU!!What Obnoxious and Loathsome Lies. Whoever wrote that deserves to spend eternity in the lowest point of hell. And I am someone who does not believe in hell (though I am a religous person.)

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#8. To: Horse (#0)

The 9/11 conspiracy threads bother me for a couple of reasons.

While the ability of government investigators to get at the truth of 9/11 is not something in which I am willing to invest much confidence, and while the collapse of WTC 7, and other strange phenomena, certainly present intriguing mysteries, it will always be difficult to persuade me that the same people who have brought us the Post Office could design and execute such a vast conspiracy as must have been necessary for 9/11 to have been an inside job.

More importantly, the unresolved and perhaps unresolvable controversies surrounding the 9/11 conspiracy theories serve to detract from, and distract us from, more significant truths about 9/11, namely, that, regardless of who is responsible for 9/11, A) the NeoCons have taken unwarranted advantage of it in formulating a bellicose foreign policy that is sure to inspire more 9/11-type incidents, and B) the NeoCons hoped for, and had reason to expect, an event just like 9/11, to serve as their Pearl Harbor. Events such as '93 WTC and '00 Cole, as well as Bin Laden's fatwahs (warning us of more such events unless we changed our ME foreign policy), provided plenty of evidence that more attacks on our territory could be expected, as long as we continued ME interventions such as those about which he complained, namely, stationing troops in Saudi Arabia, daily bombing of the illegal no-fly sones in Iraq, sanctions against Iraq, and military and financial support for Israel.

leveller  posted on  2006-09-03   13:56:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: leveller (#8)

it will always be difficult to persuade me that the same people who have brought us the Post Office could design and execute such a vast conspiracy as must have been necessary for 9/11 to have been an inside job.

Come on, this is a sophomoric throw-away argument. No "9/11 conspiracy thread" that I've ever seen has ever blamed the Postal Workers' Union for "designing and executing" 9/11. In fact, I've never seen a "conspiracy thread" that pretended to finger exactly who in "the government" "designed and executed" the "vast conspiracy" of 9/11, if any did. At all events, there's no comparison between the design and function of a government department like the Post Office, long and openly a source of patronage and pork, and an illegal and undemocratic conspiracy by individuals who happen to have government positions (or maybe just some of whom happen to have government positions)---the latter are no more likely to fail or less likely to succeed than individuals in the private sector. In fact, they're arguably more likely to succeed in "designing and executing" a "vast conspiracy" like 9/11 if they have the aids unavailable in the private sector of government police powers, powers of requisition, and a cloak of secrecy enforceable by penalty of law.

The best 9/11 truth sites, like Scholars for 9/11 Truth, refuse to be distracted by red herrings and straw men arguments making issues of things like who was in the "conspiracy," how they got the charges in the buildings, etc. Their focus is simply on the validity of the official 9-11 version: the bearded guy in a cave on the other side of the world directing 19 guys to hijack planes, and fly them into the WTC buildings, with the result that the Twin Towers, and a building that no plane had struck, WTC 7, suddenly and completely collapsed into their footprints within hours after the event. If that version is exploded, it doesn't matter for the sake of your argument to what extent the "government designed and executed" the "vast conspiracy" of 9/11: the legitimacy of the "War on Terror" is still extinguished.

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-03   14:32:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#10)

the legitimacy of the "War on Terror" is still extinguished.

Even if the bearded guy in the cave did convince 19 hijackers to attack us and kill less than 3,000 New Yorkers, that is no excse for the WOT.

40,000 people a year die in auto accidents in the US. Has Bush begun a War On Traffic? The tarrrists are a mere inconvenience, who would lapse into insignificance if our troops vacated the Middle East (and the rest of the world).

leveller  posted on  2006-09-03   15:12:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: leveller (#15)

40,000 people a year die in auto accidents in the US. Has Bush begun a War On Traffic?

46,000 Americans have been kiled by illegals since 9/11. Has the President started a War on Illegal Immigration?

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-09-04   14:16:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: who knows what evil (#36)

46,000 Americans have been kiled by illegals since 9/11.

Is this a factoid, or is there a source for this stat?

leveller  posted on  2006-09-05   13:28:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: leveller (#46)

The source is an article written by Congressman Steve King, R-Iowa...click here to read it. The '46,000' figure is arrived at by multiplying the number of days since 9/11 by the '25 deaths a day' cited by the Congressman. According to his staff; his figures are sourced from the FBI and Mothers Against Drunk Driving; among others.

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-09-05   14:11:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: who knows what evil (#47)

The source is an article written by Congressman Steve King, R-Iowa...click here to read it. The '46,000' figure is arrived at by multiplying the number of days since 9/11 by the '25 deaths a day' cited by the Congressman. According to his staff; his figures are sourced from the FBI and Mothers Against Drunk Driving; among others.

About 15,000 murders per year occur in the US. That would be 75,000 since 9/11. It is simply not credible that almost two thirds were committed by illegal aliens. The 25 deaths a day stat needs a source beyond the word of a congresscritter.

leveller  posted on  2006-09-06   8:17:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#49. To: leveller (#48)

His article states that TWELVE a day meet a violent death at the hands of an illegal; another THIRTEEN are killed by illegals driving drunk. Call his office, and they will provide you with the sources for these statistics. As stated; the FBI, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, and a few others I can't remember off the top of my head. I have seen this figure cited on a number of forums and in many opinion columns, and no one has "debunked" them, to date.

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