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Title: Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away
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URL Source: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,1531304,00.html
Published: Sep 4, 2006
Author: LEV GROSSMAN
Post Date: 2006-09-04 10:12:37 by Zipporah
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Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away Turns out, we need grand theories to make sense of grand events, or the world just seems too random Take a look, if you can stand it, at video footage of the World Trade Center collapsing. Your eye will naturally jump to the top of the screen, where huge fountains of dark debris erupt out of the falling towers. But fight your natural instincts. Look farther down, at the stories that haven't collapsed yet. In almost every clip you'll see little puffs of dust spurting out from the sides of the towers. There are two competing explanations for these puffs of dust: 1) the force of the collapsing upper floors raised the air pressure in the lower ones so dramatically that it actually blew out the windows. And 2) the towers did not collapse from the impact of two Boeing 767s and the ensuing fires. They were destroyed in a planned, controlled demolition. The dust puffs you see on film are the detonations of explosives planted there before the attacks. People who believe the second explanation live in a very different world from those who believe the first. In world No. 2, al-Qaeda is not responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center. The U.S. government is. The Pentagon was not hit by a commercial jet; it was hit by a cruise missile. United Flight 93 did not crash after its occupants rushed the cockpit; it was deliberately taken down by a U.S. Air Force fighter. The entire catastrophe was planned and executed by federal officials in order to provide the U.S. with a pretext for going to war in the Middle East and, by extension, as a means of consolidating and extending the power of the Bush Administration. The population of world No. 2 is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality. Although the 9/11 Truth Movement, as many conspiracy believers refer to their passion, has been largely ignored by the mainstream media, it is flourishing on the Internet. One of the most popular conspiracy videos online is Loose Change, a 90-min. blizzard of statistics, photographs, documents, eyewitness accounts and expert testimony set to a trippy hip-hop backbeat. It's designed to pick apart, point by point, the conventional narrative of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001. For all its amateur production values--it was created by a pair of industrious twentysomethings using a laptop, pizza money and footage scavenged from the Internet--Loose Change is a compelling experience. Take the section about the attack on the Pentagon. As the film points out--and this is a tent-pole issue among 9/11 conspiracists--the crash site doesn't look right. There's not enough damage. The hole smashed in the Pentagon's outer wall was 75 ft. wide, but a Boeing 757 has a 124-ft. wingspan. Why wasn't the hole wider? Why does it look so neat? Experts will tell you that the hole was punched by the plane's fuselage, not its wings, which sheared off on impact. But then what happened to the wings? And the tail and the engines? Images of the crash site show hardly any of the wreckage you would expect from a building that's been rammed by a commercial jet. The lawn, where the plane supposedly dragged a wing on approach, is practically pristine. The plane supposedly clipped five lampposts on its way in, but the lampposts in question show surprisingly little damage. And could Hani Hanjour, the man supposedly at the controls, have executed the maneuvers that the plane performed? He failed a flight test just weeks before the attack. And Pentagon employees reported smelling cordite after the hit, the kind of high explosive a cruise missile carries. There's something empowering about just exploring such questions. Loose Change appeals to the viewer's common sense: it tells you to forget the official explanations and the expert testimony, and trust your eyes and your brain instead. It implies that the world can be grasped by laymen without any help or interference from the talking heads. Watching Loose Change, you feel as if you are participating in the great American tradition of self-reliance and nonconformist, antiauthoritarian dissent. You're fighting the power. You're thinking different. (Conspiracists call people who follow the government line "sheeple.") "The goal of the movie was just really to get out there and show that there are alternate stories to what the mainstream media and the government will tell you," says Korey Rowe, 23, who produced the movie. "That 19 hijackers are going to completely bypass security and crash four commercial airliners in a span of two hours, with no interruption from the military forces, in the most guarded airspace in the United States and the world? That to me is a conspiracy theory." It's also not much of a story line. As a narrative, the official story that the government--echoed by the media--is trying to sell shows an almost embarrassing lack of novelistic flair, whereas the story the conspiracy theorists tell about what happened on Sept. 11 is positively Dan Brownesque in its rich, exciting complexity. Rowe and his collaborator, Dylan Avery, 22, actually started writing Loose Change as a fictional screenplay--"loosely based around us discovering that 9/11 was an inside job," Rowe says--before they became convinced that the evidence of conspiracy was overwhelming. The Administration is certainly playing its part in the drama with admirable zeal. If we went to war to root out fictional weapons of mass destruction, is staging a fictional terrorist attack such a stretch? But there's a big problem with Loose Change and with most other conspiracy theories. The more you think about them, the more you realize how much they depend on circumstantial evidence, facts without analysis or documentation, quotes taken out of context and the scattered testimony of traumatized eyewitnesses. (For what it's worth, the National Institute of Standards and Technology has published a fact sheet responding to some of the conspiracy theorists' ideas on its website, www.nist.gov. The theories prompt small, reasonable questions that demand answers that are just too large and unreasonable to swallow. Granted, the Pentagon crash site looks odd in photographs. But if the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile, then what happened to American Airlines Flight 77? Where did all the real, documented people on it go? Assassinated? Relocated? What about eyewitnesses who saw a plane, not a missile? And what are the chances that an operation of such size--it would surely have involved hundreds of military and civilian personnel--could be carried out without a single leak? Without leaving behind a single piece of evidence hard enough to stand up to scrutiny in a court? People, the feds just aren't that slick. Nobody is. There are psychological explanations for why conspiracy theories are so seductive. Academics who study them argue that they meet a basic human need: to have the magnitude of any given effect be balanced by the magnitude of the cause behind it. A world in which tiny causes can have huge consequences feels scary and unreliable. Therefore a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it. "We tend to associate major events--a President or princess dying--with major causes," says Patrick Leman, a lecturer in psychology at Royal Holloway University of London, who has conducted studies on conspiracy belief. "If we think big events like a President being assassinated can happen at the hands of a minor individual, that points to the unpredictability and randomness of life and unsettles us." In that sense, the idea that there is a malevolent controlling force orchestrating global events is, in a perverse way, comforting. You would have thought the age of conspiracy theories might have declined with the rise of digital media. The assassination of President John F. Kennedy was a private, intimate affair compared with the attack on the World Trade Center, which was witnessed by millions of bystanders and television viewers and documented by hundreds of Zapruders. You would think there was enough footage and enough forensics to get us past the grassy knoll and the magic bullet, to create a consensus reality, a single version of the truth, a single world we can all live in together. But there is no event so plain and clear that a determined human being can't find ambiguity in it. And as divisive as they are, conspiracy theories are part of the process by which Americans deal with traumatic public events like Sept. 11. Conspiracy theories form around them like scar tissue. In a curious way, they're an American form of national mourning. They'll be with us as long as we fear lone gunmen, and feel the pain of losses like the one we suffered on Sept. 11, and as long as the past, even the immediate past, is ultimately unknowable. That is to say, forever.
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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)
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The Bible quite correctly forbids the belief in conspiracies, since believers ascribe to "perpertrators" qualities only allowed to God -- omnipotence and omniscience. "For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying, Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof. Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread." (Isaiah 8:11–13). They were destroyed in a planned, controlled demolition. The dust puffs you see on film are the detonations of explosives planted there before the attacks. Imploded buildings, which always have explosives at the bottom, always fall from the bottom up. The WTC fell from the top down, where the planes hit. I've seen several buildings imploded in real life, and they always went from the bottom up. Not that the truth will ever penetrate the minds of True Believers.
"Benjamin Franklin was shown the new American constitution, and he said, 'I don't like it, but I will vote for it because we need something right now. But this constitution in time will fail, as all such efforts do. And it will fail because of the corruption of the people, in a general sense.' And that is what it has come to now, exactly as Franklin predicted." -- Gore Vidal
Hmm not so sure I agree with you.. the bible is filled with conspiracies.. plots against kings etc.. maybe God knows of them but doesnt mean that they dont exist.. evil men plan and execute evil deeds..
That is an absurd statement. Check out Psalms 2: "Why do the nations rage Sounds like a conspiracy to me.
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Not sure? That's way too polite. Yertle's post is utter nonsense. Quit soft peddling. ;^)
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OH alright! WRONG ~WRONG ~WRONG :P
Thats about the percent of people who can not name any of their elected officials or identify pictures of National leaders. It is also one of many reasons we have so many crooks and inept leaders in our Congress. (state/national) Hate and stupidity are bringing this nation to it's knees.
True .................. but why inject undeniable facts?
2:23 6:28 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603 Rick Siegel filmed this standing on Hoboken and Frank Sinatra piers, he is a NYC Jew. Blue Star Media Group Learn the truth about what happened at the World Trade Center on 9.11.2001 from eyewitness testimony and scientific analysis. High quality, ... all » three-chip digital video reveals the previously unseen reverse angle to televised coverage of the Twin Towers and Seven World Trade collapsing and a lot more. This is the only known unedited footage that contains a clear, real-time audio track of the many disturbing events that took place during the WTC destruction. Local news radio coverage was overheard playing in the background live at the Hoboken waterfront. Scientific analysis is presented in an easy to understand manner. The pictures tell the story and this is one story that all New Yorkers, and anyone who was traumatized by the shocking attack on the WTC, must see. In memory of all those who perished, 911 Eyewitness is a voice of the victims that must never be forgotten.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Hmmmmmmm .... that's also the percentage of people who support Bush and the GOP no without question (29% to 38% depending on the poll). That is also the percentage of the population that represents the Limbaugh demographic. I wonder what the intersection between the groups is.
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That's true but I don't know if it really proves anything one way or the other. I don't see any reason why charges couldn't be set in the upper floors to bring them down. The official story would then prevail where the pancaking upper floors bring down the lower floors. Charges could also be set on every third floor, etc. I don't know what really happened, but I don't think that the fact that charges are normally set in the basement really rules anything out.
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It's also about the percentage that started the Amercan Revolution in 1776. There have always been more "Crown Loyalists" and "mitlaufers" than true American patriots.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers My money says it is a substantially different 36% .... all dummies ....... but who knows.
Did you see the History Channel's series on the Am. Rev. Sunday? I know the HC has their agenda but it was very interesting. Really reminded me of how many odds were beaten to become a nation. Basicly lose all the battles but win the war.
Not to mention a little help from France.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Well the Limbaugh demographic is white males with a highschool education or less. Hence the all the snakeoil ads for penis extension pills and baldness remedies - the people paying for the ads make it their business to know who is listening - and they know only the roller derby crowd believes in this crap and buys it. So how much does the uneducated white male demographic intersect with the demographic you describe, and how much does the limbaugh demographic intersect with the mindless, hardcore Republican demographic? Seems to me they are all pretty much the same thing.
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ok, the fires which lasted a few hours brought down those buildings...the first time ever in history that fires brought down buildings like that...even buildings which burned 24+ hours never collapsed...ok. and the government never lies and governments have never in history perpetrated terrorism/false flag operations. ok.
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=33941&Disp=8#C8 Check first 2 minute explanation of how WTC7 was an obvious demolotion. I posted these videos for Yertle.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers No, they weren't slick at all, that's why 36% believe the government did it. If they were slick then very few would believe such a thing. The problem is the nation that benefited the most from 9/11 is not highly suspected of having a significant role in 9/11 despite evidence to the contrary. Now that's slick.
God is always good! Horrible, convoluted translations R us? You contrive a broad theological doctrine based on this horrible, barely intelligible rendering? Do all of your beliefs have so flimsy a basis?
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YT, why would a guy like William Rodriquez lie? Have you watched his story? After I did I’m convinced his material could be brought before a Manhattan grand jury and the end result would be an indictment against unidentified government co-conspirators. If you believe our government was complicit in both Pearl Harbor and the Gulf of Tonkin, why is 911 a stretch?
The study of history is largely the study of a series of conspiricies. Also, the Federal gov. certainly believes in conspiracies, seeing as they have 10,000 or so people in prision for them.
One reason is that information now is easily deseminated.. unlike in the past.. You know what made me question 9/11?? Early on? It wasnt the mounting evidence.. or what others said.. it was a document from the 60s.. the Operation Northwoods papers in the National Security archives at George Washington University: This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink[ing] a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.” Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba [includes cover memoranda], March 13, 1962, TOP SECRET, 15 pp.
Check out pages 7 & 8 of that document..
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=1068 notice the chart on left near bottom of article
OK, so the probability that a member of the Limbaugh audience will have a college degree is slightly more that 24%. This is exactly what I have been saying - and this is exactly the reason the penis extension pill and baldness remedy people choose Limbaugh's show to pitch their snake oil. Intelligent people don't buy this sort of crap. As an aside, this is also the reason Limbaugh makes such a big deal about smoking. Most of these "virile" males smoke. Just check out any freeper rally if you don't believe me. So the 25% of people who don't know smoking kills them also intersects this group pretty closely.
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Far too many "little" people involved.
In this day and age College education is NOT an indicator of intelligence or critical thinking. A college education today is little more than an obscenely expensive middle class license certificate. It is a control mechanism for the marginally educated and it puts people in debt almost immediately (many to the de facto government owned Fannie Mae) and starts them down the path of living a life of fear and debt from one white collar paper pushing service sector pay check to the next.
New one on me. Educated or uneducated, one or the other.
http://revolution.h-net.msu.edu/essays/carp.html I missed that one on the History Channel (I'll look for it, thanks), but it's clear that there are typically an equal amount of "neutral" sheep as true patriots, and that there will always be traitors who prefer a monarch or dictator.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers I've dealt with many educated and uneducated people for the last 40 years. I find that the corolation is very, very, very, very high. Mostly because the educated people have been taught to question. It also so a degree of drive that is not present in the other group. I think this is why most positions STILL require this requirement for certain jobs - and not because of some evil and secret conspiracy. When we hire peole, no education is a 50/50 chance they will be good. College education moves this to about 70/30. College educaton from the right schools moves it closer to 100%. There are certain schools that have never given us a bad person. Stanford is one of these. Cal Tech is another. Again, I think this is why the system is used in almost 100% of the selection processes. I have never seen any evidence of an evil, secrect conspiracy here, e.g., nobody from the Illumiati or the Vatican has ever approached me and told me to hire the dumb college guy over the smart HS dropout.
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No kidding. I've worked with so many recent college grads that cannot write a coherent paragraph. And they cannot they read a document to understand how to do anything on their own. Everything must be spoon fed. Furthermore, they have poor work ethics (e.g. they are always sick the exact # of days they are allowed sick days). This crosses all races/cultures, however they are all young and "well-educated". Jay Leno has fun on grad night at the local colleges in SoCal. He asks them simple, basic questions while their caps and gowns are still on. Hilarious!
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers I've worked with so many recent college grads that cannot write a coherent paragraph I suppose the ultimate check would be to compare this group with and equal number of radomly selected highschool dropouts and see who performs the best. WRT to the work ethic, this is sometimes the company's fault. The recent grads have put a lot into getting where they are and they suddenly realize that they have been herded into a relatively dead end job. I rarely have trouble motivating people in small comanies where merit is instantly rewarded but is is very difficult in large structured organizations such as Lockheed or a large insurance company.
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But we shouldn't be even thinking about comparing them. I'm comparing them with what a college grad was once capable of, and there is a big difference (just like adding 100 points to the SAT scores). Now that the masses are so well degreed (but not necessarily educated), they arrive over-confident and somewhat arrogant because they qualify for a car loan and a mortgage.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers I am not saying that those who don't go to college are just as smart as college kids. No college education is generally an indicator that a person is either none to bright or not stable enough to go through 4 years of school to acquire a simple piece of paper. What I am saying is that most college degrees in this country are not worth the paper they are written on, and are not reflections of intelligence or critical thinking skills in the slightest. American has its elite schools, sure, and students who are motivated and they generally turn out a reliable crop of students- especially the quantitatvie majors like engineers. But your typical "Big State" Enlgish major or Education major or "Business Administration" major with a 3.4 GPA - 7 out 10 times won't be able to write a coherent paragraph on any topic and lacks basic skills considered common place 50 years ago. The typical college educated student today couldn't pass muster for basic knowledge and language skills along side a 9th grader from America in 1900. If I could go back in time right before college and someone gave me the choice of going to college or giving me 100 grand right then and there tax free- I would take the 100 grand and try to do something with it. In this country college education is not needed for 70 percent of those who go. It is a joke and waste of time and money and it has become little more than what I said above- a middle class entrance fee- a white collar cubicle desk rental payment.
Oh, really? Guess that makes every criminal conspiracy statute on the books---including the Federal ones---a conspiracy against the Bible..! (Oops! There I go again....) Sorry, buddy: until the Pope issues an encyclical prohibiting Catholics from reading "conspiracy" sites, I'm gonna go on surfin' 'em... :P (BTW, why dja spell "perpetrators" as "perpertrators"? Trying to recreate how some dumbass Bible-banger would spell it...?)
The more I think about it Cyni, the less likely the need for "little people." Given you beileve what I posted about FDR and PH and LBJ and tGOT, it's possible to have pulled this off with only a small clique at top. I forgot to toss in JFK, which was also historical nonsense. His head went back and to the left on bullet impact - see Abe Zapruder for further details :)
So what? So have I---so have we all. Let me ask you directly, however, the inference you apparently want drawn from your statement: is it infeasible or even impossible to demo a building from the top down? Show us your evidence. BTW, what makes you so sure there were no charges detonated at the foundation of the towers immediately before or during the collapse sequences? Have you got a link or other material that says that didn't happen?
I'm not complaining, but that's sort of where I am at. Fortunatley it's a job that provides plenty of otherwise useful experience. I've seen a lot of people being hired in at unimaginable pay scales simply because their The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron
there were. many many eyewitnesses...william rodriquez..multiple firemen..and more. so much evidence !!!
Shhh!!! Little Yertle still believes in Santa Claus---don't make 'im cry! :P
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#2. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
#3. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
The Bible quite correctly forbids the belief in conspiracies, since believers ascribe to "perpertrators" qualities only allowed to God -- omnipotence and omniscience.
and the people plot in vain?
The Kings of the Earth take their stand
and the rulers gather together
against the Lord
and his Annointed One."
#4. To: Zipporah (#2)
Hmm not so sure I agree with you...
#5. To: Arator (#4)
#6. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves
#7. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
Imploded buildings, which always have explosives at the bottom, always fall from the bottom up. The WTC fell from the top down, where the planes hit. I've seen several buildings imploded in real life, and they always went from the bottom up.
#8. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
I've seen several buildings imploded in real life, and they always went from the bottom up
1 hr 44 min 40 sec - Jan 9, 2006
http://www.911eyewitness.com
#9. To: It Is A Republic (#6)
36% - Thats about the percent of people who can not name any of their elected officials or identify pictures of National leaders.
#10. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
Imploded buildings, which always have explosives at the bottom, always fall from the bottom up.
#11. To: ..., It Is A Republic (#9)
#12. To: ... (#9)
#13. To: robin (#11)
It's also about the percentage that started the Amercan Revolution in 1776.
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#15. To: It Is A Republic (#12)
#16. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
#17. To: christine, ... (#16)
#18. To: Zipporah (#0)
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People, the feds just aren't that slick. Nobody is.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#19. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
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"For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying, Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof. Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread." (Isaiah 8:11–13).
#20. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
#21. To: Zipporah, arator (#2)
he bible is filled with conspiracies.. plots against kings etc.. ma
#22. To: RickyJ (#18)
In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS.
#23. To: RickyJ (#18)
#24. To: ... (#15)
#25. To: It Is A Republic (#24)
notice the chart on left near bottom of article
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
why is 911 a stretch?
#27. To: ... (#25)
#28. To: Burkeman1 (#27)
It is a control mechanism for the marginally educated
#29. To: It Is A Republic (#13)
Historians now believe that forty percent of Americans were patriots; twenty percent were Loyalists, who supported the British; and forty percent were neutral, preferring to be left alone during the hostilities.
#30. To: Burkeman1 (#27)
In this day and age College education is NOT an indicator of intelligence or critical thinking.
#31. To: Burkeman1 (#27)
In this day and age College education is NOT an indicator of intelligence or critical thinking. A college education today is little more than an obscenely expensive middle class license certificate. It is a control mechanism for the marginally educated and it puts people in debt almost immediately (many to the de facto government owned Fannie Mae) and starts them down the path of living a life of fear and debt from one white collar paper pushing service sector pay check to the next.
#32. To: robin (#31)
No kidding.
#33. To: ... (#32)
#34. To: ... (#30)
#35. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
The Bible quite correctly forbids the belief in conspiracies, since believers ascribe to "perpertrators" qualities only allowed to God -- omnipotence and omniscience.
#36. To: Cynicom (#26)
#37. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
Imploded buildings, which always have explosives at the bottom, always fall from the bottom up. The WTC fell from the top down, where the planes hit. I've seen several buildings imploded in real life, and they always went from the bottom up.
#38. To: ..., robin (#32)
WRT to the work ethic, this is sometimes the company's fault. The recent grads have put a lot into getting where they are and they suddenly realize that they have been herded into a relatively dead end job.
pedegree, and have pretty much come to terms with it. I have no desire to be one of those backstabbing fuckers, I make them want to be MY friend!
#39. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#37)
what makes you so sure there were no charges detonated at the foundation of the towers immediately before or during the collapse sequences?
#40. To: christine (#39)
there were. many many eyewitnesses...william rodriquez..multiple firemen..and more. so much evidence !!!
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