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Title: Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away
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URL Source: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,1531304,00.html
Published: Sep 4, 2006
Author: LEV GROSSMAN
Post Date: 2006-09-04 10:12:37 by Zipporah
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Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away Turns out, we need grand theories to make sense of grand events, or the world just seems too random Take a look, if you can stand it, at video footage of the World Trade Center collapsing. Your eye will naturally jump to the top of the screen, where huge fountains of dark debris erupt out of the falling towers. But fight your natural instincts. Look farther down, at the stories that haven't collapsed yet. In almost every clip you'll see little puffs of dust spurting out from the sides of the towers. There are two competing explanations for these puffs of dust: 1) the force of the collapsing upper floors raised the air pressure in the lower ones so dramatically that it actually blew out the windows. And 2) the towers did not collapse from the impact of two Boeing 767s and the ensuing fires. They were destroyed in a planned, controlled demolition. The dust puffs you see on film are the detonations of explosives planted there before the attacks. People who believe the second explanation live in a very different world from those who believe the first. In world No. 2, al-Qaeda is not responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center. The U.S. government is. The Pentagon was not hit by a commercial jet; it was hit by a cruise missile. United Flight 93 did not crash after its occupants rushed the cockpit; it was deliberately taken down by a U.S. Air Force fighter. The entire catastrophe was planned and executed by federal officials in order to provide the U.S. with a pretext for going to war in the Middle East and, by extension, as a means of consolidating and extending the power of the Bush Administration. The population of world No. 2 is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality. Although the 9/11 Truth Movement, as many conspiracy believers refer to their passion, has been largely ignored by the mainstream media, it is flourishing on the Internet. One of the most popular conspiracy videos online is Loose Change, a 90-min. blizzard of statistics, photographs, documents, eyewitness accounts and expert testimony set to a trippy hip-hop backbeat. It's designed to pick apart, point by point, the conventional narrative of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001. For all its amateur production values--it was created by a pair of industrious twentysomethings using a laptop, pizza money and footage scavenged from the Internet--Loose Change is a compelling experience. Take the section about the attack on the Pentagon. As the film points out--and this is a tent-pole issue among 9/11 conspiracists--the crash site doesn't look right. There's not enough damage. The hole smashed in the Pentagon's outer wall was 75 ft. wide, but a Boeing 757 has a 124-ft. wingspan. Why wasn't the hole wider? Why does it look so neat? Experts will tell you that the hole was punched by the plane's fuselage, not its wings, which sheared off on impact. But then what happened to the wings? And the tail and the engines? Images of the crash site show hardly any of the wreckage you would expect from a building that's been rammed by a commercial jet. The lawn, where the plane supposedly dragged a wing on approach, is practically pristine. The plane supposedly clipped five lampposts on its way in, but the lampposts in question show surprisingly little damage. And could Hani Hanjour, the man supposedly at the controls, have executed the maneuvers that the plane performed? He failed a flight test just weeks before the attack. And Pentagon employees reported smelling cordite after the hit, the kind of high explosive a cruise missile carries. There's something empowering about just exploring such questions. Loose Change appeals to the viewer's common sense: it tells you to forget the official explanations and the expert testimony, and trust your eyes and your brain instead. It implies that the world can be grasped by laymen without any help or interference from the talking heads. Watching Loose Change, you feel as if you are participating in the great American tradition of self-reliance and nonconformist, antiauthoritarian dissent. You're fighting the power. You're thinking different. (Conspiracists call people who follow the government line "sheeple.") "The goal of the movie was just really to get out there and show that there are alternate stories to what the mainstream media and the government will tell you," says Korey Rowe, 23, who produced the movie. "That 19 hijackers are going to completely bypass security and crash four commercial airliners in a span of two hours, with no interruption from the military forces, in the most guarded airspace in the United States and the world? That to me is a conspiracy theory." It's also not much of a story line. As a narrative, the official story that the government--echoed by the media--is trying to sell shows an almost embarrassing lack of novelistic flair, whereas the story the conspiracy theorists tell about what happened on Sept. 11 is positively Dan Brownesque in its rich, exciting complexity. Rowe and his collaborator, Dylan Avery, 22, actually started writing Loose Change as a fictional screenplay--"loosely based around us discovering that 9/11 was an inside job," Rowe says--before they became convinced that the evidence of conspiracy was overwhelming. The Administration is certainly playing its part in the drama with admirable zeal. If we went to war to root out fictional weapons of mass destruction, is staging a fictional terrorist attack such a stretch? But there's a big problem with Loose Change and with most other conspiracy theories. The more you think about them, the more you realize how much they depend on circumstantial evidence, facts without analysis or documentation, quotes taken out of context and the scattered testimony of traumatized eyewitnesses. (For what it's worth, the National Institute of Standards and Technology has published a fact sheet responding to some of the conspiracy theorists' ideas on its website, www.nist.gov. The theories prompt small, reasonable questions that demand answers that are just too large and unreasonable to swallow. Granted, the Pentagon crash site looks odd in photographs. But if the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile, then what happened to American Airlines Flight 77? Where did all the real, documented people on it go? Assassinated? Relocated? What about eyewitnesses who saw a plane, not a missile? And what are the chances that an operation of such size--it would surely have involved hundreds of military and civilian personnel--could be carried out without a single leak? Without leaving behind a single piece of evidence hard enough to stand up to scrutiny in a court? People, the feds just aren't that slick. Nobody is. There are psychological explanations for why conspiracy theories are so seductive. Academics who study them argue that they meet a basic human need: to have the magnitude of any given effect be balanced by the magnitude of the cause behind it. A world in which tiny causes can have huge consequences feels scary and unreliable. Therefore a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it. "We tend to associate major events--a President or princess dying--with major causes," says Patrick Leman, a lecturer in psychology at Royal Holloway University of London, who has conducted studies on conspiracy belief. "If we think big events like a President being assassinated can happen at the hands of a minor individual, that points to the unpredictability and randomness of life and unsettles us." In that sense, the idea that there is a malevolent controlling force orchestrating global events is, in a perverse way, comforting. You would have thought the age of conspiracy theories might have declined with the rise of digital media. The assassination of President John F. Kennedy was a private, intimate affair compared with the attack on the World Trade Center, which was witnessed by millions of bystanders and television viewers and documented by hundreds of Zapruders. You would think there was enough footage and enough forensics to get us past the grassy knoll and the magic bullet, to create a consensus reality, a single version of the truth, a single world we can all live in together. But there is no event so plain and clear that a determined human being can't find ambiguity in it. And as divisive as they are, conspiracy theories are part of the process by which Americans deal with traumatic public events like Sept. 11. Conspiracy theories form around them like scar tissue. In a curious way, they're an American form of national mourning. They'll be with us as long as we fear lone gunmen, and feel the pain of losses like the one we suffered on Sept. 11, and as long as the past, even the immediate past, is ultimately unknowable. That is to say, forever.
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#79. To: Cynicom (#75)
Yeah I agree there. As soon as I saw SD, I provided a couple links to show that his whole story was nonsense. As are other theories. I've been questioned on forums because I will not support certain theories. I've also walked out on a couple lectures that I thought were bullshit. On that topic, thats why I really don't discuss the Pentagon and Shanksville. Its a trap for all the "NO PLANERS". In every hit piece, the no plane theory is brought up. Once in awhile I'll post something on the Pentagon/Shanksville. I read and keep abreast on credible sites and people that look into these two events. Thats why you'll see me post alot of articles with timelines and such. Real credible proof that isn't debatable. Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
The dog that didn't bark at the Pentagon is, where is the state-of-the-art video? They can't claim that all the cameras were malfunctioning like they got away with on the morning of the London tube bombings. That would be the morning that Bibi was told to stay in his hotel room in London. The morning of the coincidental ongoing terrorist 'games'. Nope, this is the Pentagon. Where's the 30 fps high definition video of what really happened that morning?
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Here is another. Who at OEM/FEMA called the Mayor and the Fire Chief and told them the towers were going to collapse? Then BEFORE noon, the WTC7 was completely evacuated because it was in danger of collapsing? Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
This pics are amazing, robin. Is our leader wired even for everyday living? Something very odd here.
I know alot won't like this statement, but from everything I've read and seen, I'm leaning toward an airliner/aircraft at both sites. The Pentagon airliner was remote controlled and PA was shot down by the large debris field seen. Now I know alot of the evidence doesn't make sense, but there are too many eyewittness reports. Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
Mark.. My indoctrination to "eye witness accounts" goes way back many years ago. College professor is standing in front of his class giving a lecture. The door pops open, a person runs in and shoots the professor twice. The perp then leaves, The classroom is in chaos. The professor stands up dusts himself off and tells the class what they just saw was a test. He then has them take paper and pencil, write exactly what they saw and heard, with no talk among students. Of the numerous students no TWO students saw the same thing, no ONE student described the event without error.
Who at OEM/FEMA called the Mayor and the Fire Chief and told them the towers were going to collapse? Then BEFORE noon, the WTC7 was completely evacuated because it was in danger of collapsing? Mark As always, good calls, Mark. I specifically remember a brief segment on the "Loose Change" video where a reporter records a black policewoman calling out, "Get out of the area! The second tower is coming down!" This is obviously before the start of the collapse, because the reporter repeats incredulously, "The second tower is coming down?" and the policewoman nods and confirms, "It's coming down." Inside info? What else could it be?
Cyni, the eyewitness (Rodriquez) has a survivor (someone help me with his name) from the blast willing to tell the world what really happened.
College professor is standing in front of his class giving a lecture. The door pops open, a person runs in and shoots the professor twice. The perp then leaves, The classroom is in chaos. The professor stands up dusts himself off and tells the class what they just saw was a test. He then has them take paper and pencil, write exactly what they saw and heard, with no talk among students. Of the numerous students no TWO students saw the same thing, no ONE student described the event without error. What does your silly little example prove? That eyewitness testimony can be impeached? Any trial lawyer knows that. Go ahead and impeach the testimony of the 9/11 eyewitnesses, if you can. The inference you want your readers to draw---cynically, yes, and dishonestly---is that the testimony of 9/11 witnesses is wholly discreditable. Go ahead. Impeach substantively any of the testimony of the 9-11 eyewitnesses that, for example, they heard explosions in the buildings after the impacts but before the onset of collapse. Just for once, discuss the issues of this thread substantively.
Not to mention the videos of the event at the nearby hotel and gas station, seized by the FBI almost immediately after the Pentagon was hit. What was on those videos? Or like so much of the evidence from Waco, TWA 800, WTC..., have those cassettes been conveniently "lost"?
I recall there being a survivor but not his name. Re my #84.. In follow up questionaire to the students, asking for recall, the information provided became even worse. The option on many questions contained the answer.."I do not know"...That option was rarely used as the "witnesses" wanted to provide an answer.
In follow up questionaire to the students, asking for recall, the information provided became even worse. The option on many questions contained the answer.."I do not know"...That option was rarely used as the "witnesses" wanted to provide an answer. Give us a link to this "study." I want to see if it can be "impeached."
A couple of eyewittness being wrong or "off" is one thing, but not 100's and 100's. There is so much testimony from the NYC area, then the Pentagon area, then the PA site. When that many are interviewed, and the basic story stays the same, except for a few differences, it is very damning and credible. Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
I understand where you are trying to come from. Starwind is very similiar in approach. I know the need to be objective and critical. More Americans need to be that of the official story, because it is completely full of holes. Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
Here is another damning point. When the few eyewittnesses were brought in front of the 911 Commission, it wasn't public, their testimony wasn't released or used, and they all were made to feel as if THEY were on trial. Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
There have been so many people gagged and threatened. Pilots, air traffic controllers, FAA employees, FBI/CIA/DIA agents, State Dept employees, firemen/policemen, the list is large. Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
And I can see why now too: as people who actually observed the events of 9/11 as they unfolded, their testimony is inherently unreliable and likely to mislead the public. I hear there're studies that show this... [/sarcasm]
I know.. interesting description isnt it? Puffs of smoke.. well looking at the video of course it looks rather small but in scale they were huge.. explosions..
This is off topic, but I just caught O'Rilleys' opening comment about the internet, news, information and blogs. Thats what Bill was crying about. Fox and other news outlets can't compete with the instant transfer of news/info. What he really is mad about, is the news/gov/corp can't spin the story the way they want. Same with 911. The perps/globalists forgot about the internet, and how powerful of a tool of info it is. They are learning though. Look at the liquid bombers. This has been very tight lipped. Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
Hot off the presses. I've seen new footage/photos of WTC 7, which were taken, it seems right after the north tower came down. It confirms what I've thought and posted here, Under the chaos of the dust cloud, there are at least, a half a dozen explosion/blasts seen thoughout the floors of WTC 7. It was supposed to fall under the cover of the north tower, but something went wrong. Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
Do you have the link? I've not been online much lately
Yes, but believe me, it came out within days of the supposedly "imminent" and "catastrophic" terrorist attack that 1) the suspects didn't even have passports, let alone tickets; and 2) it was highly improbable that the suspects would be able to blow up even one plane with the liquids they were supposedly going to use, let alone ten: A chemist involved in that part of the inquiry, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was sworn to confidentiality, said HMTD, which can be prepared by combining hydrogen peroxide with other chemicals, “in theory is dangerous,” but whether the suspects “had the brights to pull it off remains to be seen.” While officials and experts familiar with the case say the investigation points to a serious and determined group of plotters, they add that questions about the immediacy and difficulty of the suspected bombing plot cast doubt on the accuracy of some of the public statements made at the time. “In retrospect,’’ said Michael A. Sheehan, the former deputy commissioner of counterterrorism in the New York Police Department, “there may have been too much hyperventilating going on.” ----"Details Emerge in British Terror Case" All of this was caught by internet bloggers and commentators weeks before the Times story I quoted above.
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
Thanks..!
Censorship by omission, this is what we’re up against. And the really brilliant part of their strategy is once a whistleblower gets the government brush off, they’re forced to take their case to the net and alternative radio, thus providing more ammunition for the official rendition. The enemy we face knows how to manipulate the sheeple.
The same can be said about the "Pancake Theory". NIST has totally back away from this now. The internet pressure on this absurd explanation was relentless. Just think of all the books, programs and government sites that kept this mantra up. I like to use a phrase that Arete uses. I call it the "Bang Your Dead" theory. The feds put out some propaganda, everyone jumps on it, discredits it, and "Bang Your Dead." Next! Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
Right again, Mark! Here's a quote from the new FAQ page the government has put up: NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram below). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively [!!!!] that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon. *SIGH!* It must be all so confusing for a paid government shill to deal with! Better to say something like, "The government version is out there---go ahead and disprove it." [/sarcasm]
Peetie... Off subject... For whatever reason, you seem to an angry, confrontational person, rather than one that is here for polite and civil discussion. In my short time at 4um, you have been the lone unpleasant poster, showing a great lack of proper social behavior. If I or my postings in any way for some reason cause you to become personal, perhaps it would be best to ignore them. Cyni...
But then if there is no pancaking, how can they explain the "puffs of dust", because the explanation was the floors compressed and blew out certain windows. The whole NIST fabrication is preposterious. Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
That is precisely who has pounded the nails into the coffin door of the Republic and who will pound, to the hysterical screams and cheers of most Americans, the last nail.
Thank you for sharing your snap judgment of me. Now, ignoring the supposedly "personal" portions of my posts, would you mind answering the many substantive questions I've posed you which you've repeatedly ignored? You never get irritated when someone refuses to answer your questions?
In NISTs own live scale floor model reports, they could not duplicate this sagging of the floors and pulling of the outer girders. Then in the NIST report they also state that the inward bowing accompanied the collapse, not initiated it. The whole report is full of contradictions. Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
Certain windows at regularly sequenced intervals at repeated locations on a vertical plumb line going down the towers which often "blew out" many, many floors down from the zone of total destruction as the towers collapsed. Who knew that "pancakes" could be so fastidious, and yet so capricious? :P
www.infowars.com
And why the hyperlink failed to work - I've no clue... Sorry.
Honestly, some of the best research and talk is being done at the Loose Change Forums. Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
Mark Yes - honest discussions are all over the web. Wake up and find the truth, numbskulls.
Actually it is very surprising that a former top secret document like that would ever be declassified considering its content. The government has made it impossible for us to trust them even if they are telling the truth occasionally with all of their wanton lies. Maybe this document was never truly suppose to be declassified and is a warning from some honest person in our government about the real state of our union. But then again maybe releasing this document is all part of the master plan of the elite to identify those that give a damn about the truth and justice and eliminate them before they can cause them too many problems. Who knows? They have made it impossible for us to trust anything they say or do.
God is always good! Good site! Alex is a showman, but no more than say, Joe Farah, and he's a lot more honest and principled. Alex isn't shilling for the Feds or Israel.
AJ's one of the good guys.
I know I was rather amazed when I first read it.. it was declassified in April of 01. About the master plan.. I guess I wont mention the documents re the internment camps.. I thought that was a load of conspiracy nutcase tripe.. uh well ..guess what?
#80. To: Kamala (#79)
#81. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#76)
#82. To: robin (#77)
#83. To: robin (#80)
#84. To: Kamala (#83)
but there are too many eyewittness reports.
#85. To: Kamala (#81)
Here is another.
#86. To: Cynicom (#84)
#87. To: Cynicom (#84)
My indoctrination to "eye witness accounts" goes way back many years ago.
#88. To: robin (#80)
The dog that didn't bark at the Pentagon is, where is the state-of-the-art video? They can't claim that all the cameras were malfunctioning
#89. To: Jethro Tull (#86)
the eyewitness (Rodriquez) has a survivor
#90. To: Cynicom (#89)
Re my #84..
#91. To: Cynicom (#84)
#92. To: Cynicom (#89)
#93. To: Jethro Tull (#86)
#94. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#90)
#95. To: Kamala (#94)
There have been so many people gagged and threatened. Pilots, air traffic controllers, FAA employees, FBI/CIA/DIA agents, State Dept employees, firemen/policemen, the list is large.
#96. To: Kamala (#43)
#97. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#95)
inherently unreliable and likely to mislead the public.
#98. To: Zipporah (#96)
#99. To: Kamala (#98)
#100. To: Kamala (#97)
The perps/globalists forgot about the internet, and how powerful of a tool of info it is. They are learning though. Look at the liquid bombers. This has been very tight lipped.
#101. To: Zipporah (#99)
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12277
#102. To: Kamala (#101)
#103. To: Kamala (#93)
Here is another damning point. When the few eyewittnesses were brought in front of the 911 Commission, it wasn't public, their testimony wasn't released or used, and they all were made to feel as if THEY were on trial.
#104. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#100)
#105. To: Kamala (#104)
The same can be said about the "Pancake Theory". NIST has totally back away from this now. The internet pressure on this absurd explanation was relentless. Just think of all the books, programs and government sites that kept this mantra up.
#106. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#90)
Give us a link to this "study." I want to see if it can be "impeached."
#107. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#105)
#108. To: Kamala (#107)
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
#109. To: Cynicom (#106)
For whatever reason, you seem to an angry, confrontational person, rather than one that is here for polite and civil discussion. In my short time at 4um, you have been the lone unpleasant poster, showing a great lack of proper social behavior.
#110. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#105)
#111. To: Kamala (#107)
But then if there is no pancaking, how can they explain the "puffs of dust", because the explanation was the floors compressed and blew out certain windows.
#112. To: Peetie Wheatstraw, Cynicom, all (#105)
Read everything here and then comment _
#113. To: All (#112)
#114. To: lodwick (#113)
#115. To: Kamala (#114)
Honestly, some of the best research and talk is being done at the Loose Change Forums.
#116. To: Zipporah (#22)
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#117. To: lodwick (#112)
http://www.infowars.com
#118. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#117)
Alex is a showman, but no more than say, Joe Farah, and he's a lot more honest and principled. Alex isn't shilling for the Feds or Israel.
#119. To: RickyJ (#116)
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